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PBA: So will tomorrow feel so much like Wednesday (i.e. July 4th) that you won’t go to work?
Sam2ParticipantKoma: With all the Chumros and Minhagim that we’ve developed since then, it’s much more likely that we wouldn’t recognize them as Jews, and you want to complain about those who rely on legitimate Shittos of major Poskim? (The Yam Shel Shlomo already complains about this, in the beginning of Chullin I believe. He mentions that the Gemara calls a certain topic easy to keep and he says that was only true in the times of the Geonim before we were Machmir for many Shittos of the Rishonim, but nowadays-i.e. in his time-it’s no longer so easy to keep.)
Sam2ParticipantApushatayid: Rav Moshe does Assur listening to music all year round (OC 1:167, if I recall correctly). People are confused about this because in YD 2:54 (give or take a few Simanim, maybe 56) he explains a different Shittah. But it’s clear (to me, at least) that he holds like the T’shuvah in OC 1.
Sam2ParticipantMdd: He said his own point wrong. His point is that if the only source of people’s outrage was the Torah, they would be this outraged against more things that the Torah is against. He’s saying that there’s some other catalyst to the outrage, in addition to seeing something the Torah views as deplorable.
Sam2ParticipantWrite or wrong: Maybe you can show an interest in his music. Show that you are his mother and support him no matter what. Is his music so bad that you can’t do that or is it within the range of not-unacceptable?
Sam2ParticipantHealth: I understand your point now. And I’ll have to think about it.
Sam2ParticipantCsar: I don’t know what a “YU reinterpretation” means, but I do know a B’feirush Gemara in Megilah 7a. See the 12th line. “She said to them, “I am already written in the history books of Madai and Paras.'” I’m sorry that the Gemara disagrees with your worldview. But I will look at the Meshach Chomchmah when I get a chance.
Sam2ParticipantHealth: I read your post. That’s not what the Issur Mesay’ea is. There’s no Issur to buy from an Avaryan. The money has to in some way help them do an actual Ma’aseh Aveirah. That’s not happening in this case. There’s no way there’s any Issur.
Sam2ParticipantSushee: Rav Schachter quotes Rav Herzog who quotes the Ramban that we are Muvtach from HKBH that we will not have Eretz Yisrael taken from us a third time.
Sam2ParticipantCsar: We fought, and won, and celebrated the day that we rested from our enemies. You can try and splice the resting from the winning, but it’s clear that we celebrated winning a battle in which we were fighting for our lives.
And I am not familiar with that Meshech Chochmah, but I find it hard to believe that he says as you quote. Because the Gemara itself gives Ester’s answer. Her answer wasn’t that it was the resting they were celebrating, it was that the Goyim already know (“they are written in the histories of Persia”). So either he’s giving a different answer than the Gemara does or you’re misquoting him.
Sam2ParticipantOhr Chodesh: Ad’raba, if the only people on television were Frum Jews then there would be nothing wrong with television at all.
Sam2Participant2scents: Once again, I think the point isn’t that the barbecue is L’kavod July 4th. July 4th is just a happy day to begin with to give Shevach V’hoda’ah LeHakadosh Baruch Hu for giving us a great place to live and follow the Torah relatively unhindered. Couple that with a hot summer day and no work and a barbecue is the natural conclusion.
I think this is a perfect example of the Goyim doing something logical. Are we supposed to be illogical because they do the logical thing. We don’t drive on the sidewalk and walk in the street, even though the Goyim do the exact opposite. We are not obligated to avoid doing everything they do (we walk and breathe and sleep just like they do). July 4th is just a logical day for a big barbecue. There’s nothing wrong with doing something logical.
Sam2ParticipantCsar: Have you read the Megillah recently? It’s an explicit Passuk that we’re celebrating the military victory.
Sam2ParticipantHealth: You didn’t answer my point. I think that the Chiluk between supporting the “pride” lifestyle and the actual Ma’aseh Aveirah is obvious. Your money might support individuals and a lifestyle, but I highly doubt that your money in any way, shape, or form is used to promote or help a Ma’aseh Aveirah. Hence, no Lifnei Iver or Mesayeah is Shayach here.
Sam2ParticipantItche: I think that’s 11b. But I’m usually off by exactly 1 Daf more often than I’m precisely right actually, so it could be. e-daf would probably answer this quite easily.
Sam2ParticipantCsar: While WOI may have been out of line, I didn’t see him knocking the Torah anywhere.
Sam2ParticipantBBQ today is much less of an issue than turkey on Thanksgiving. There’s nothing religious about it nor was there ever was. Also, the reason for a barbecue has no direct ties to the day. It’s just that the best (and only good) times to barbecue are hot summer days where you don’t have to go to work. I could see someone making the claim that it’s a Chukas Hagoyim issue, but I really don’t think it is.
Sam2ParticipantTo seriously answer the question, I have thought that just based on the Gemara in Arachin (10b maybe?) there is room to say that one should say Hallel on July 4th, V’yeish L’ha’arich. However, based on Rav Schachter’s Mahalach quoting the Chasam Sofer (that I have brought down in other threads) it’s probably not Shayach to say Hallel tomorrow.
Sam2ParticipantThe Lifnei Iver discussion is moot anyway. This money might be going to support and empower people who live a certain lifestyle, but the “lifestyle” is not the issue here. Your money is in no way directly helping someone perform an act of Mishkab Zachor.
Sam2ParticipantWater is special. It’s not the same level of food as everything else.
Sam2ParticipantCsar: ??? You do realize that the T’shuvah you quoted had no relevance whatsoever to your point, right?
Sam2ParticipantHaLeiVi and 2scents: You are both incorrect. We wash twice because once is for washing and once is for Nekiyus (Machlokes between the Aruch Hashulchan and Mishnah B’rurah which is which).
2scents: That is true. It has to be in a certain type of Kli but it also has to be in one place. Hence, dropping the wipes from a cup onto your hands won’t work.
Sam2ParticipantI believe parodies are legal. Tunes aren’t protected under intellectual property, just lyrics.
Sam2ParticipantNiazik: Just curious, but what makes “Toeivah” a Lashon Nekiyah? The Gemara says that the word Tamei is a (relatively) not-Naki word (Pesachim 7, maybe).
Sam2ParticipantI believe I have heard that KVH is good. I believe that Kosherquest. com is a reliable website to list Hechsherim, from what I’ve been told.
Sam2ParticipantHaLeiVi: To use a whole Revi’is is just an Eitzah Tovah because it avoids a lot of problems. As long as you begin with a Revi’is, you can use as little water as possible so long as you get water on every part of both hands.
The wipes wouldn’t work because you need the water to come from a Revi’is gathered in one place. The water doesn’t have to be drinkable but there are limits (this has its own Siman in the Shulchan Aruch, somewhere around 158 I think).
Sam2ParticipantOff the top of my head I’d say there’s no problem at all. What would the problem be? (If it actually takes the money straight from your account/credit card as soon as the auction closes then it’s probably not allowed, actually.)
Sam2ParticipantPBA: You can also wear gloves while you eat B’dieved. I think that’s a Rama somewhere, isn’t it?
Sam2ParticipantI love coffee: That’s only if Ruach Ra’ah is a reason for the washing, which is not the case for Hamotzi before bread.
PBA: I believe you can be Masneh the Al Netilas Yadayim all day even if your hands get dirty so long as they don’t get dirty in certain ways.
June 29, 2012 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm in reply to: Frum Jews and animals: why can't they get along together? #1014824Sam2ParticipantCRious: It is not at all Pashut that an animal that you own is Muktzeh. Many, many Poskim are Mattir moving them.
Sam2ParticipantI think everyone needs to see the Chiluk between “drinking” and “getting drunk”. There are probably very few disagreements (aside from Purim) once we are clear about that.
Sam2ParticipantHaKatan: The Rambam and other rationalist Rishonim would certainly tell you that Kabbalah was a strong deviation from Mesorah. Many other Rishonim would also see the Arizal’s Kabbalah as a deviation from Mesorah.
Sam2ParticipantYitay: I know. It was still a very strong statement.
Sam2ParticipantWow! Fighting words from Yitay!
Sam2ParticipantToi: I’m not sure what worse someone can do than putting both their’s and others’ lives in danger. But you’re right, compared to that not much else would be bad.
Sam2Participantyytz: I certainly hope we are not lenient for the Rama. Because his S’fek S’feka (Dachuk enough to begin with) is not at all applicable nowadays because it’s definitely Efshar Livrurei B’kal. The FDA puts out all the relevant information every year. We are probably Meikil like the Bach (though Rav Schachter quotes an interesting Avnei Neizer).
June 28, 2012 1:35 am at 1:35 am in reply to: whens the latest i can say kriyas shema al hamita???? #881145Sam2ParticipantHavarka: Not a source. A S’vara. The S’vara is true and stated explicitly in the Aruch Hashulchan. But none of the Poskim apply the S’vara far enough to allow this conclusion. Thus, Lema’aseh, the S’vara is the reason for it but does not quite apply all the way to its logical conclusion. (Someone once said that applying S’varas all the way to their logical conclusion or not is the difference between a Lamdan and a Halchist. I think that’s true. And since this is a Halachic issue, we cannot apply the S’vara to where the Poskim haven’t.)
June 28, 2012 1:13 am at 1:13 am in reply to: whens the latest i can say kriyas shema al hamita???? #881143Sam2ParticipantHavarka: June 21st is always the longest date of the year but does not always start the earliest. Also, if you used myzmanim for those times they are incorrect. Those are a Chumra against the majority of Poskim. The Shulchan Aruch clearly states that Alos is 72 minutes before Neitz. There is no reason to add at least an extra half hour like they do. (Also, I assume those are times for New York but you should have stated that.)
Sam2ParticipantLoyal Jew cannot comprehend that other religious Jews think anything other than his (not from Torah) opinions. Therefore, he assumes that everyone agrees to every one of his ridiculous opinions (hence his constant claims to know what all the Gedolim think). There is no longer any reason to be Mocheh the generalities he makes as we all realize by now that they’re just foolish.
June 28, 2012 12:46 am at 12:46 am in reply to: whens the latest i can say kriyas shema al hamita???? #881141Sam2ParticipantYenting: Unless anyone can find a source otherwise, I don’t think you can say the Bracha that night (well, I have a reason that you can but no one says it Lema’aseh).
Harotzeh: Of course. That’s an explicit Gemara (Brachos 8b maybe?).
June 27, 2012 11:54 pm at 11:54 pm in reply to: whens the latest i can say kriyas shema al hamita???? #881138Sam2ParticipantYou can say Krias Shma Al Hamittah no matter what time you go to sleep. The Bracha, however, has to be before Alos (maybe you have until Neitz? I’m not sure of that).
Simcha: Why do you keep saying that Shma must be said before Chatzos, if I recall correctly, it’s not so clear that we Pasken that way.
Sam2ParticipantItche is right, but we assume and hope that he is wrong.
Sam2ParticipantThe Beis Yosef in Siman 695 quotes the Orchos Chaim that there is no greater Issur than getting drunk.
Sam2ParticipantIf a kid actually asks questions about these Pesukim they quote, pull out a Tanach and tell them to read the Passuk in context. None of the ones they bring are anything about what they claim they’re about if taken in context. Also, show how the King James is a mistranslation.
For a better discussion of this than anyone here can give, read You take Jesus, I’ll take God.
Sam2ParticipantRabbiR: As far as I know, R’ Chaim doesn’t say anything about it, but someone in a thread a few months back posted a Makor in the Be’er Moshe about it. Of course, he didn’t have a source and he said that we should be careful about it because the Minhag is to be careful about it. So it’s kind of circular.
Sam2Participant2scents: Chalav Yisroel cows have no lower percentage of Treifos than other dairy farm cows. If you’re going to hold by Rav Schachter then not even Chalav Yisroel milk is Muttar.
Sam2ParticipantWhen you start Shmoneh Esrei you take three steps back then three steps forward during the Passuk “Hashem S’fasai Siftach” (doing this is walking during Shmoneh Esrei; the three steps forward should finish before that).
That you need to eat Mezonos to count for a Mezuman (anything but water is fine).
That it’s Assur for kids to run around on Shabbos (see O.C. 301:2).
That even if you don’t clap on Shabbos that you’re allowed to clap with one hand backwards (see O.C. 337 or 339, around there somewhere, and look at the Lashon of the Shulchan Aruch very, very carefully).
Sam2ParticipantRabbaim: A Halachah mentioned explicitly in the Shulchan Aruch is one that should not be relied upon Lechatchilah? (Ironically enough, I don’t hold of the Heter of soap, but to say such strong words against the Shulchan Aruch is idiocy.)
Sam2ParticipantCsar: Neanderthals (cro-magnons?) have bigger brains than humans. Does that make them smarter (for the sake of this discussion, we’ll pretend that they existed in this or some other Gilgul).
Sam2ParticipantCsar: The Gemara tells us that any Goy who is Over on a Mitzvah Shelahem is Chayav Misah. But why do you assume that that forfeits they Olam Habah?
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