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  • in reply to: "Yalili" Music Video #880139

    I heard the kid in the shopping cart is Matisyahu’s son. I really like the song too and immediately bought the album.


    Scared? This is what we’re supposed to be waiting and ready for!

    in reply to: ipod touches. #757633

    GM – Question #1 – I don’t know…

    Q#2- It would erase any programs/music/videos you have on there as you would be setting the ipod to update to that other instance of itunes (as far as I know)

    in reply to: ipod touches. #757631

    Grandmaster – True, but if you’re really worried to this level, you shouldn’t let your kids have access to the computer screen name that houses the instance of itunes the ipod syncs to and the upgrade issue would be resolved. (upgrades maybe come out once every 2-3 months at best)

    in reply to: ipod touches. #757629

    Guy-ocho – figured out what you’re talking about. I see what you mean but supposing you have safari off, installing apps off (which turns off app store), itunes off, youtube off… all of those are governed under the passworded parental controls. As long as there is no other browser installed, what can the kid do when he connects to the internet?

    Check mail, check weather and view google maps. Unless I’m wrong, and don’t understand, there’s no way to freely use the internet unless you reset the ipod or figure out the parental control password.

    in reply to: ipod touches. #757626

    Guy-Ocho – Thank you! I haven’t tested what you said, but I’m always ready to be proven wrong. I just can’t accept “yes-huh” as an answer, which is what everyone else was saying. I’ll have to mess around and see if I can by pass the settings without the password, like you say.

    **For the record, our family shares an ipod, I use it just as much as everyone else and when it’s not in use, it’s charging on our speaker dock in the kitchen. My kids haven’t even figured out how to close applications from running in the background, but they’re young. And as far as I know 🙂 the internet is seriously locked down on it, and if it can be bypassed, I have everything seriously locked down from the server level (with no open networks from neighbors within reach).

    in reply to: ipod touches. #757621

    I know this thread is going nowhere quick but I was involved in the beginning and wanted to follow up as I was away for the weekend.

    You can’t disable the ipod restrictions if they are properly set unless they reset the ipod, or they figure out your passcode. If you have proof otherwise, I would love to see it, but I’m confident it doesn’t exist. If you know what you’re doing locking it down, internet will absolutely be restricted as much as you want it to be.

    Would I know if my child reset the ipod? Absolutely I would, but I realize not everyone is as technologically inclined. And if you wanted to take it one step further, have your ipod sync to an itunes on a computer username that only you have the password to, so if they tried to sneak on the computer and reloaded all the programs back on to a fresh install, they wouldn’t be able to.

    in reply to: ipod touches. #757588

    @Grandmaster – There’s no way around the parental controls. I work in tech and keep up with these things. The only thing you could do is reset the ipod to factory settings, but it would be obvious that you did so.

    in reply to: ipod touches. #757586

    I have an ipod touch. You can lock it down really well through the parental controls. I have Safari turned off, which is the basic (unmonitored) browser and I have a browser called Mobicip installed which tracks every site that is visited. You can log into their website and see what was visited on the ipod. It also blocks sites that you would want blocked by category and also any specific ones you whitelist or blacklist. But that’s only if you want internet use like that, if you don’t want it at all just block Safari and it’s gone.

    Aside from internet use, you can turn off the app store if you wish, or require a password to install programs. A new feature I like sets it so you need a password to DELETE applications. Which could be good for someone who likes to install games/apps regularly but still wants the accountability. There also rating restrictions that can be enabled for both apps, music and podcasts.

    I was surprised at just how much you can lock the device down if you wish to. Hope that helps!

    in reply to: Speech Therapy Field is Flooded??? #775597

    @HaLeiVi – I’m not a speech therapist, I stutter so I know plenty about that area of speech therapy.

    @PYid – Yes, Vitamin B1. I don’t know if I’m allowed to post links, but if you google “national center for stuttering preliminary research”, that top link is findings from Dr. Shwartz on B1 in adults based on a published study in kids from the 1950s.

    in reply to: Speech Therapy Field is Flooded??? #775591

    There’s still plenty of research to be done in speech therapy! Start your own clinic/center and do your own research! Dr. Martin Shwartz just came out with some new findings for stutterers and is testing them on a small scale. If his tests are successful you better believe he’ll be hiring!

    Did you know that 80% of children 2-3 years old will drop their stutter or be noticeably improved if given B1? The world needs therapists who know this sort of research. That statistic has been around since the 50s, but I never heard it until just a few weeks ago. I was in speech therapy my whole life and have continued to stay on top of the research and am astounded at the antiquated methods still in use today.

    The market may be flooded, but there are absolutely ways to stand out among your peers.

    in reply to: How Do I Drop A Friend? #895245

    Step One: Open a new screen name on YWN that uses your real name.

    Step Two: Start this thread again under the new screen name.

    Step Three: Tell your friend how much you enjoy YWN, especially the coffee room.

    … That’s about it. Or you could level with your friend and say you need some space for a while, that you have your own trials/problems going on right now and you can’t continue to be there for her in the same way that you have been.

    in reply to: Random Fact Thread #863499

    source? umm… Rambam? 🙂

    “Pins are 4.75 inches wide at their widest point and 15 inches tall.” -United States Bowling Congress

    in reply to: Random Fact Thread #863495

    U-Haul is the world’s largest advertiser in the Yellow Pages.

    -40 degrees Celsius is equal to -40 degrees Fahrenheit.

    The height of a bowling pin is equal to its circumference.

    All the swans in England are property of the Queen.

    Any space vehicle must move at a rate of 7 miles per second in order to escape the earth’s gravitational pull.

    The most pushups ever performed in one day was 46,001.

    in reply to: Ladies would you consider homebirth? #782390

    Thank you coffeeadict for taking the time to type out these statistics. My wife is a doula, and worked in a hospital for years, she saw so many unnecessary c-sections in her time there. OBs are trained in the medical side of birth and the age old tradition of midwifery isn’t taught or attempted to be understood. She always says that she can tell exactly where a mom is in her birth by observation, but the nurses and doctors, who are too busy, only go by the numbers of the machines.

    Once there was a mom who was stuck at a certain point in her labor. The doctor put a time limit on her and they would be headed for a c-section within a certain amount of time (maybe an hour?) being stamped “failure to progress”. The nurses were watching the machines and, it was true, the baby wasn’t progressing. My wife asked the nurses if she could try a couple things, because she knew the baby wasn’t aligned right to drop into place as the mom was told to stay on her back. The mom was “allowed” to have a couple contractions on her side, the baby fell immediately into place and she had a natural delivery. The baby was stuck and there was no way on her back that the baby was going to fall into place. Something so simple, is rarely paid attention to, and if they are, it’s done with skepticism. She has many, many stories like this.

    I would liken many OB’s and nurses to reading Torah without any knowledge of the Oral Torah. There’s a rich knowledge of birth through thousands of years of midwifery that gets overlooked in the name of medical births, which has only been around for a couple generations. They are trained very well in what to do if something goes terribly wrong, but not how to prevent these situations it in a more natural way, as they have always been done.

    As for a home birth, they don’t have to messy. Our last child was born at home and we would never want to go back to a hospital birth. It was so calm and peaceful for the baby to have time to sit with mom and bond quietly. It wasn’t a lot of cleanup at all, but even if it were, I would happily have a baby at home, as all of our ancestors did.

    in reply to: ipod touch games #722844

    I have an ipod touch and the whole family uses it.

    Check out “RustyBrick” for a bunch of useful Jewish apps.

    Also, for internet use, I use Mobicip which you can seriously lock down, just make sure that safari is turned off. There’s a surprising amount of parental controls built in, you can lock the ipod down pretty tight.

    With that said, you asked for games:

    my games:


    shanghai mahjong

    kenken pro (sudoku)

    kids games: (well, and mine too 🙂



    traffic rush

    angry birds

    fruit ninja


    I also use some helpful apps:


    google earth




    star walk

    audubon society has a really nice set of apps based on their field guides, I have their bird application, which was expensive but VERY useful if you like to look up bird information, calls, etc.

    in reply to: kosher websites for kids #722366

    I’m using a program called “Zoodles” with my middle child who is six. She launches the program and has access to only content I’ve made open to her, which is some games, some videos, things like that. You have complete control over everything and get a report each day or at the end of the week of what the child did in the program. Alot of it is nickjr type stuff. One neat thing is you can record yourself reading books on Zoodle and they can play you reading them the story as much as they wish. You can set up accounts for more than one kid and have different things opened up for each kid. The program also takes up the whole screen and requires a password to get out of it, which is great because my daughter can’t accidentally mess up any settings on the computer.

    disclaimer: of course there are unkosher things available in the name of “children’s content”, I’m not ignorant of this. Our computer is in the middle of a public space, I always know what my family is doing online both through programs like this but also through our whole house internet filters (we have two separate ways of recording EVERYTHING that happens online – covenanteyes and openDNS). If you feel the internet is without question an uzi in the hands of anyone (child or not), you probably shouldn’t be using it yourself.

    in reply to: Best way to deal with a colicky infant #721282

    “Promise of cash reward for stopping”

    My Father-in-Law, when our first child was around two, whipped out a dollar to try to get him to stop crying after he banged his head… Yeah, didn’t really work.

    We’ve had three very “colicky” babies and have tried every method around. I have to absolutely agree with swaddling. Look up how to swaddle, as it’s not just wrapping your baby in a blanket. My children liked to be TIGHT in that blanket with no wiggle room. We also used a “moby wrap” carrier which worked great both around the house while doing chores and while out.

    Definitely keep calm as others have said. Babies are smarter than we give them credit for 🙂 They can pick up on subtle (and not so subtle!) cues in your breathing, voice, etc.

    in reply to: Where are you posting from? #718630

    At home while trying to work undistracted. 🙂

    in reply to: My new "shtick" that Im trying to get others into… #716933

    ha! Well, I was thinking that is what they eventually say to you, like what I think I got from “Best Ima” talking about B’more, but actually maybe she was talking about Jew to Jew, now that I’m rereading it. Whatever, “Have a nice weekend” works all the same 🙂

    in reply to: My new "shtick" that Im trying to get others into… #716931

    Thank you WIY,

    I agree with you that, Heaven forbid, a Jew would slip in their observance due to negative influences, this would of course be unacceptable! Accepting unkosher lifestyles, being influenced by them, as you certainly understand, is a big difference from treating people with kindness.

    As a non-Jew, I have to work very hard to not be influenced by the secular culture around me. I certainly can be sympathetic to avoiding evil “like the plague”…

    At the same time, I see people all around me disenfranchised by the religions they have grown up in, I was one of them! Who is going to tell them about the true G-d of Torah? It sounds like a job for a Priestly nation called to be a light to the Nations… Do you happen know any of those? 🙂

    It starts with a smile. It starts with a “Good Shabbos” in passing. Those people will know that you are approachable, kind and obviously religious and proud of it. They aren’t going to assume that a “Good Shabbos” means, let’s go to McDonald’s together, but rather “That Jewish guy was nice”.

    Sean Ben Noach

    in reply to: My new "shtick" that Im trying to get others into… #716924

    WIY – “I cant read minds, but Im certain many non Jews think we look down on them and despise them.”

    You can look back on previous threads and KNOW that many Jews look down on non-Jews, like the thread from a couple weeks ago in which you touched on similar ideas “Time to blow some peoples minds here…”, it was a free for all of “goy is a goy is a goy” comments.

    There are many Jews that DO realize that they should be reaching out to the non-Jew: smiling at them, or better yet sharing the Sheva Mitzvot with them, which people need to hear! The Jews who go with “a goy is a goy…” in an obvious derogatory manner, just like in this thread, there’s little hope, in my opinion, for those people to be more than a light unto other Jews. Maybe they like it that way.

    Thank you WIY, and others that are a light unto the <b>nations</b>!

    in reply to: Maybe I Should Compensate The Store Owner…? #727107


    Not that this exactly pertains to your question, but just so you know, it definitely would not be gluten free unless it says so on the packaging, or unless the bakery specifically caters to GF people. Our family has celiac disease and my wife would be in bed sick for a few days if she was “glutened”. You usually have to go to health food stores to find GF products… or wait for Pesach! 🙂

    Sean Ben Noach

    in reply to: internet filter?what to buy? #714542

    We use Covenant Eyes on our macs and have for a couple years now, no complaints, good customer services. It looks like Web Chaver uses Covenant Eyes as it’s program, i’m not really sure what else Web Chaver does. It gives exactly the same reports as CE but with their branding.

    The biggest problem you’re going to run into on a mac is that there are VERY little web filtering programs that work with a mac, the only part of CE that is going to work is the accountability reports that log every site you’ve been to.

    For filtering we use OpenDNS which you install on your router (they have easy to follow instructions), which is more secure any way, as it doesn’t matter what computer or mobile device, if you’re on my network, it’s filtered automatically. From OpenDNS’s website you can set many different ways of filtering and keep logs too. It’s all free because it’s open source.

    in reply to: Diapers – Most Economical Way to Purchase? #708554

    We use cloth diapers and cloth wipes at our home. We prefer “fuzzy buns” diapers or “swaddlebees”, they are a lot different than the picture of cloth diapers that might come to mind from the 1950s.

    A lot of people like an in between option called GDiapers. They are kind of a hybrid between disposable and cloth, I didn’t care for them, but they would be cheaper than regular good disposable.

    The nice thing about cloth is you can buy them used at various places online for cheaper than new, and you can sell them when you’re done and make some money back, which is great when moving up to a larger size.

    I know it’s not for everyone, but it is certainly cheaper.

    in reply to: Autism #710939

    @poppa – I forgot to say, I didn’t think you were being offensive, especially not to anything having to do with Autism.

    in reply to: Autism #710938

    @chance – The Out of Sync Child was a big help to us too and absolutely agree with your idea of where spectrum disorders originate from. B”H none of our kids our vaccinated and we’ve had a very good natural doctor to help with detoxing from heavy metals that he feels we have picked up.

    My daughter’s recent flare up over the last year we’re sure comes from an old house we were living in for less than year, we did all we could to encapsulate lead and was told by all our friends it would be fine, we were wrong. We got out of there as quick as could. We’re still trying to slowly detox the low levels of lead that have affected her and my youngest.

    As to a website, here’s my idea and “pitch”. I would love to see a Jewish leaning site on spectral disorders. Where there are articles on various topics within the spectrum. The site would have multiple authors with various perspectives and experiences with having children within the spectrum and being Jewish or B’nei Noach. It would essentially operate like a blog, but would be categorized in such a way that it, over time, becomes a bigger and bigger resource. Each post/article would show up on the main page and at the end of the article would be a quick footer bio of that author, a couple sentences saying where that Author is coming from:


    Sean is a father of three young children in his B’nei Noach family. His youngest two have spectral disorders which they have taken a naturalistic approach to treatment through diet, therapies and chiropractic/CST care. They live in the mountains of central Virginia where they buy as much food locally as they can.

    You very quickly have an idea of where the author is coming from, can click on the author’s name to find more articles/posts from them. A forum is also a very easy thing to implement, and like the coffee room, a good way to get people to keep coming back.

    I have a packed week this coming week and probably won’t be checking this thread, but if anyone is interested in coming together on this project, please email me: sean [at]

    My wife is a good writer and would probably be one of the authors, I’m not that good with getting my thoughts on paper, it takes me too long! 🙂 If we get a couple authors together, we’ll talk through email and make it happen. I would love for a Rabbi with spectral disorder experience to be a contributor, I know you all gave a couple names, does anyone want to approach one of them with the idea?

    in reply to: Autism #710933

    Mosh3 – Sorry for being absent from this thread most of last week. I’ve been under some tight deadlines and this coming week won’t be any different. Didn’t leave much time for forums 🙂 Please feel free to email me about your website off list if you would like my help with it. I’m definitely interested and have some ideas.

    email: sean [at]

    Downsouth & Shneinu – Yes, there are programs available here in our state (VA). Our daughter was seeing an OT in Maryland when we lived there a few years ago. She hit the milestones they were looking for and “graduated” the program. We’re in a situation right now where we’re self employed and make too much for state assistance in this area but too little overall for insurance. A diagnosis out of pocket would be very expensive and not something we can afford to do. The OT back then had a lot of great ideas and many still apply even though our daughter is much older now. It’s the new issues, like modesty and increased sensitivity to clothing that has been tripping us up.

    Poppa – Chad isn’t Noachide, but I am 🙂 Unless of course you want to rightly say that we are all B’nei Noach!

    in reply to: Autism #710915

    Thank you very much everyone for your suggestions and referrals. I appreciate your help and it’s great to know that we’re not alone 🙂

    Moshe3, sorry I kind of hijacked your thread 🙂 If you would like help setting up a website, my wife and I are very interested in helping or hosting the site for you. We both think a Jewish site with articles from parents on autism and special needs would be a great resources to all.

    in reply to: Autism #710907

    @anon – Thank you for your response!

    We’re meeting with our Rabbi next week (new to the area of Richmond, VA) he’s been great through email and no doubt will be very nice in person too, it often takes someone with special needs experience to really understand that it’s not just the child being stubborn, when my daughter’s socks “hurt” they really do hurt as I’m sure you can sympathize with. My wife had the same sensory issues and can remember her clothing feeling like nails or fire. I would LOVE to find a Rabbi to talk to that has experience with sensory/autistic kids, any suggestions?

    Perhaps such a Rabbi would be perfect as a contributor to Mosh3’s new website! 🙂

    in reply to: "Special Needs" children? #705016

    @oomis – We all know what “retard” really means and that it can be used in a technical way, but there are MANY names and words that become slang with a derogatory meaning over time. I could give you the definition of “gay” as being “happy” but you probably wouldn’t take kindly to someone calling you “gay” with a defense of “look it up in the dictionary”. That should be pretty obvious…

    @chad pami – Thanks for sticking up for me 🙂 and good googling BTW!

    in reply to: "Special Needs" children? #705010

    I think your joke is in poor taste.

    in reply to: Autism #710905

    Wow, I’m glad I found this thread, I’m not sure how I missed it. I just started a thread this morning wondering if there were any parents of special needs children in CR, this answered that question 🙂

    My daughter is six, she has sensory processing disorder but we think if she would be diagnosed again they would diagnose high functioning autism.

    Clothing is a big sensory deal for her. If it has seams she can’t handle it, she says it hurts. Socks were a HUGE deal until we found seamless socks from an autism website. She’s only every worn skirts out as that’s part of the tznuis standards we hold as a family. She’s been struggling this year with clothing a lot more than ever before. Now that it’s getting colder she can’t just wear bloomers and a skirt, it’s not warm enough but she can’t wear sweat pants or other long pants underneath her skirt because it’s not comfortable and gets “bunched up”. In previous years she was okay with long pants under her skirt.

    She’s been watching her brother and friends play outside today from the window, accepting her defeat. When they ask her to come out and play she just says “I can’t”. It breaks my heart for her. Even if we were to let her wear only pants out and skip the skirt, she doesn’t have pants that are comfortable for her anyway.

    I don’t know that there’s a right answer to this… Do we let her wear pants realizing that Hashem made her with these struggles? Or do we stick to our tznuis rules and let her be miserable until she gets used to it? We’ve spent so much time in prayer over this and just don’t feel settled in one direction. I know as Noachides we’re not bound by Orthodox rules of tznuis. It’s a longer story than one sentence can hold, but we came from mennonite background (kind of like amish) and are headed toward conversion, it doesn’t make sense (for my wife at least) to wear pants, our devotion to Hashem and reasons for modesty haven’t and shouldn’t go backward.

    I read somewhere that an Orthodox autistic boy could only fall asleep listening to his ipod, the Rabbi understood and told the family it was okay if they turned the ipod on before Shabbos and let it run until the battery died. But how rare is it to find someone compassionate? I would think the “typical” response would be that the child just needs to learn to deal with it, or in that case, fall asleep without the music. At least that’s the type of responses my wife has received on “regular” Jewish parenting forums.

    That’s just one issue we’re facing right now, I have so many questions about how special needs fits into Judaism… Do any of you eat a GF/CF diet? How does that work when visiting other people’s homes? I have more questions but will save them for later.

    I guess even just knowing there are other families out there is comforting in itself. I think a blog or forum dedicated to this would be wonderful. I build websites (and graphic design) for a living, and would be more than willing to help and donate my time with this in whatever capacity would be helpful. I have plenty of server space. 🙂

    Sean Ben Noach

    Sean Ben Noach

    in reply to: Peek email device #705031

    Thanks chad pami,

    Noachides are very careful not to name “clergy” or anything like that, we would never want to be considered a religion as that could be avodah zarah, we follow the G-d of Torah and the laws laid out for gentiles. We can take on other mitzvot as we see fit as long as we realize it’s not a requirement for us and if we do it properly (Rambam).

    There are certainly some gentiles who are “teachers”, I’ve heard people call them “Moreinu” but that’s as close to a title as a gentile gets. But really, 95% of the learning I do are under Orthodox Rabbis (mostly online), I have a Rabbi about an hour away from me that I can go to for more personal matters if needed and we’re invited to attend services whenever we wish.

    Good luck with the peek, hopefully you receive it soon!

    in reply to: Dual-flush toilet adapter #709625

    whatever happened to good ole’ “If it’s yellow let it mellow” 🙂

    in reply to: Peek email device #705028

    No ideas for alternatives… I was a peek “early adopter” and am still following their company news blog, they’ve been shipping new peeks out as quickly as they can to all the people with older ones. I stopped using them a long time ago for this same reason, it was just too unpredictable of when it was going to be reliable.

    If you search for “peek blog” you can find their blog, I don’t think it’s linked to from their main site. They’re based in NYC and are very nice, if you’re local, stop in and they should replace it on the spot.

    in reply to: How To Teach An Older Girl Hebrew From Scratch? #704325

    I second rosetta stone. Our whole family is working through the program and although it’s simple conversational Hebrew it lays a strong foundation for Biblical Hebrew. It is a bit expensive, but it works.

    in reply to: Rimon Kosher Internet #815990

    Are there any Jewish, English language filter/accountability programs out there? I’m using an accountability software for the mac that is marketed heavily toward x-tianity, I wouldn’t mind switching if something was available.

    in reply to: Spooky: FDA says no right to choose what you eat? #702503

    @Ben Torah – Oh 🙂 I didn’t know, but that makes sense.

    in reply to: Spooky: FDA says no right to choose what you eat? #702495

    I know the raw milk issue isn’t the main point of this thread, but I need to weigh in on this one since no one else is.

    We used to live in Pennsylvania where raw milk is legally licensed. Our family would drink a couple gallons a week.

    Yes, I agree with all of you that pasteurization is vitally important for commercial farming. But for a family farm, where the cows are completely grass fed, have plenty of room to graze and the farmer can take care of each cow, these farms sell raw milk which, in my opinion, is extremely beneficial as it has all the probiotics and enzymes still alive just as Hashem made it. A healthy cow that is taken care of produces healthy milk. If a cow gets mastitis the farmer lets the cow heal… I’ve been there, milked the cows myself and know how a GOOD farm operates. These families are in jeopardy and regularly are threatened by the FDA if they think any milk is going to people out of state, whether it’s true or not.

    The FDA is making it more impossible for small businesses and small farms to survive with these regulations. It’s only big business that is winning on this. No one is forcing anyone to buy raw milk, it’s expensive anyway at around $6/gallon! You’re only going to buy raw milk if you feel passionately about it and it’s going to come from small family farms.

    Have you seen the types of farms where “regular” milk comes from? I lived next to them and did photography for these farms on occasion (brochure work for farm equipment)… THAT is the truly scary milk, which I would never drink. The conditions the cows live in are unthinkable. Chicken houses are the same way if not worse, but that’s another topic! 🙂

    @BenTorah – you’re right, but it changed over the years, just like how you used to call “little people”, “midgets” or “inuits”, “eskimos”… I’m not huge on being politically correct for the sake of being politically correct but if it offends people I try to stay away from those terms.

    Thank you Dr.Pepper… As a father of two “special needs” children (high functioning autism, SPD), I can say that I would certainly take offense to people with “special needs” being referred to as “retards”. However, contextually, it doesn’t bother me, especially when talking about this group. I can’t speak for everyone, but I know that “retarded” is a slang term and is usually only used as such.

    Mostly off topic but it always makes me laugh, I remember a few years ago a local catholic men’s club, the “knights of columbus”, were collecting money with change jars that had printed really big on them “Money for the Retards”. I have NO idea how that made it on the jars without someone suggesting a change. The following year it was worded a lot more “PC”.

    in reply to: Any good videos?? #754580

    I watched Paperclips a couple months ago, I thought it was a very well put together documentary. If you happen to have netflix, it’s available for online watching. (not that I’m endorsing netflix!)

    in reply to: Any good videos?? #754576

    Does any one know if Tears for Moshiach is narrated in the same style as the “10 minute preview” on their website?


    in reply to: Is It Tzniyus For Boys To Wear Shorts #885274

    @MW13 – “According to many shitos, chukas hagoyim is on anything related to and associated with a secular culture, for fear that we will become enmeshed in a non-Torah culture and lose sight of our priorities.”

    From this thread and the way I saw it being interpreted, I also understood “chukas hagoyim” to mean how mw13 just stated. To which I still would question why wigs are acceptable. I realize that it’s been accepted for a long time, but can I ask why it was originally accepted? From the outside it seems like it’s hiding that your covered. In this instance I would think that chuckas hagoyim and tzniut are combined.

    Perhaps I need a proper definition of tzniut also.

    Thank you 🙂

    Sean Ben Noach

    please excuse my Hebrew conjugations if they’re wrong… Rosetta Stone hasn’t covered Orthodox Judaism yet! 🙂

    in reply to: Is It Tzniyus For Boys To Wear Shorts #885269

    This is my first post, I’ve been reading for a while and learning a lot about Orthodoxy from you all. I’m currently Noachide, coming out of mennonite/amish areas of christianity, I mention my past to say that our family have held modesty very highly for a long time now.

    I know this is going back to last week, so I’m sorry for jumping in late but I’ve been thinking about this for a while and would really like some insight.

    If boys wearing shorts could be considered chukas hagoyim (which I know many didn’t agree), could you please explain to me as an outsider why women wearing wigs as opposed to a tichel (or other cloth coverings) wouldn’t be more “chukas hagoyim” than boys in shorts. I know some are against wigs, but it seems to me wigs are the norm.

    I’m not trying to start any arguments, I’m sincerely wondering.

    Thank you 🙂

    Sean Ben Noach

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