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Everyone please be mochel me for anything I ever did necessitating it.
Mochel Loch, Mochel Loch, Mochel Loch.
Gmar Chasima Tova and a Gut Gebetched Yur to EVERYONE in the Coffee Room and to everyone in Klal Yisroel!
You defended the Ukrainians who celebrate and honor Bandera and Khmelnitsky with statues throughout the country, national holidays in their honor, putting them on Ukrainian postage stamps, having celebrations and marches in their honor, Ukrainian presidents awarding them Hero Of Ukraine ceremonies and the masses of Ukrainian citizens considering these mass murderers to be national heroes.
Mentsch1: if the South had fully enforced all Torah requirements for the institution of slavery, you’d be commending them now for having been righteous in the matter?
Chmielnicki and Bandera were Hitlers. Do not tell me the they or that Hitler had “good points” to celebrate, aside from their side -job of mass murdering Jews.
Are you okay with putting up statues of Adolf Hitler and making holidays for his birthday and issuing postage stamps and coins in his honor to commemorate Hitler being a great orator and restoring pride to the German people after WWII? Nothing to do with Hitler’s killing machines; only celebrating his “good things”.
That’s what you’re saying about Chmielnicki and Bandera; that we can’t do “cancel culture” or violate free speech honoring Hitler, Chmielnicki and Bandera.
Ukraine is indefensible. They still honor these mass murderers today.
And speaking of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, he was duly elected President of Ukraine by a democratic majority of Ukrainian voters. And the anti-Russians, supported by the Obama Administration and specifically Secretary of State Clinton, supported and abetted the violent coup de’tat that overthrew the elected President.
chiefshmerel: Wrong! It was the anti-Russian Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko who named Bandera a “Hero of Ukraine,”. The Russians are the ones who executed Bandera.
In late 2006, the Lviv, Ukraine city administration announced the transference of the tombs of Stepan Bandera, Andriy Melnyk, Yevhen Konovalets and other key Ukrainian Nazi collaborators to a new area of Lychakiv Cemetery honoring them.
In October 2007, the city of Lviv erected a statue dedicated to Bandera. In October 2007, the Lviv City Council adopted a resolution establishing the Award of Stepan Bandera.
In January 2009, his 100th birthday was celebrated in several Ukrainian centres and Ukraine officially issued a postage stamp with his portrait was issued to honor him. In January 2014, Bandera’s 105th birthday was celebrated by a torchlight procession of 15,000 people in the centre of Kyiv and thousands more rallied near his statue in Lviv.
In 2018, the Ukrainian Parliament designated Bandera’s birthday as a national holiday.
Today’s Ukrainians, including their modern day Presidents and leaders, also honor and celebrate with statues and public holidays, Ukrainian Nazis such as Stepan Bandera, who was Hitler’s Ukrainian man responsible for mass murdering Yidden in Ukraine. Just a decade ago Ukraine’s President established a holiday in honor of this mass murderer.
mentsch1: Slavery is a supported Torah value.
Kuvult: Pray tell and explain how you see Bogdan Chmielnicki yemach shemo vzichro, the Ukrainian Adolf Hitler ym’s, as a hero and how you justify his mass murdering Yidden. And explain how you justify today’s Ukrainians putting up statues of Chmielnicki all over Ukrainiane and honoring and celebrating this mass murderer, ethnic cleanser of your ancestors.
Do you also defend the masses of Ukrainians, including average citizens in Ukraine, who collaborated with the Nazis in liquidating Ukraine of its Jewish population into mass graves the Jews were shot into en masse?
ymribriat: Are you expecting a language here other than English?
ymribriat: I can assure you that most prewar shtetlech were very strict about adhering to tznius, not having girl friends, not having mixed gender schools, secular studies were an afterthought – if they even had any, they certainly did not fraternize with the Goyim or the Reform, they dressed very conspicuously Jewish that you could differentiate a Jew from a gentile a mile away and, yes, they got married young and had many children.
It’s true some things weakened after World War I, but certainly prior to that it was very strong and even after WWI it was much better than we see in OOT America.
Reb Eliezer, who said I have an excuse? It’s a weakness I’m still working on.
Moish26: Yasher Koach.
(Brace yourself for an assailment.)
#1: Are any of the following examples of what works in Lakewood and Brooklyn but isn’t realistic for other communities?
A. Tznius k’hilchasa
B. No opposite gender friendship
C. No television or unfiltered internet
D. No coed institutions or mixed gender events
E. Getting married young
F. Prioritizing Limud Torah over secular studies
G. Not fraternizing with gentiles or with non-Torah observant
H. Dressing conspicuously Jewish#1, can you also please share and explain with us in full detail the reasons WHY these things (whatever they are) that works in Lakewood and Brooklyn do not work in other communities?
What is it regarding these other communities’ demographics and institutions account as to why these things don’t work there?
If you could kindly explain all this it could help alleviate the problem you identified in your OP.
Yasher Koach
CA: Have you been playing too many video games lately?
#1/OP:
Can you please explain in more details examples of “What works for Lakewood or Brooklyn isn’t necessarily helpful or realistic for other communities”?
In Lakewood/Brooklyn the men put on Tefilin six days a week. I assume that isn’t an example of what you’re referring to. So what is?
The Kievan Rus is Russia. After the Mongols invaded it, the capital changed from Kiev to Moscow once the Russians regained the land.
Why should Crimea go back to Ukraine? It’s been part of Russia since 2014. You want to take it away?
We shouldn’t bash the Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist communities?
Your grammar and sentence structure aren’t using proper English syntax. I responded to the exact points you wrote. Your regret about making illogical statements notwithstanding, after your logical flaws were pointed out.
There’s no pro-Russian folks here. The only pro-Russians were the American Left in the Democrat Party while Russia was Communist. Once communism went out the window in Russia, the Democrats lost their appetite to support Russia. The Far Left held out a little longer until Hillary Clinton supported the coup de’tat in 2014 against the democratically elected government of Ukraine, which triggered Russia. But acknowledging that Russia has some points about Ukraine being strongly pro-Nazi, doesn’t negate the fact that Putin is a madman, as I pointed out earlier above, and that Russia itself is a backwards country.
Also note that Crimea specifically was never Ukrainian until the Ukrainian Dictator of the Soviet Union unilaterally and unconstitutionally transferred it on paper away from Russia into Ukraine in 1954.
“Glad you admit Putin is a madman.”
Glad you don’t deny the Ukrainians are Neo-Nazis.
“But it wasn’t Ukraine that bombed the Shoah memorial in Babyn Yar.”
Who cares about a “memorial”; lives are much more important. And no one targeted the memorial specifically.
“Stop thinking that historical genocide”
Yeah, what’s “historical genocide” when we need our Volkswagen, BMWs and Mercedes from our great and lovely German friends.
” (which by the way, as per your logic, Ukrainians are Soviet citizens, hence Russian)”
That’s not logic; that’s illogical. That akin to saying “Texans are Americans, hence New Yorkers.” Ukrainians aren’t Russian any more than Lithuanians are, which was also part of the Soviet Union.
“Putin’s terrorism shall not go unpunished. May he meet his Maker soon.”
Hey, here’s something we agree on.
May he meet his maker soon together with his Ukrainians Nazi adversaries.
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“Apparently, the world leaders are not listening to your advice,”
Apparently not. When have world leaders ever been wise?
“so the situation is escalating with the threat of Russia going nuclear.”
You are correct again.
Like father, like son.
He is Tommy’s boy.
Putin is a madman; the Ukrainians are Neo-Nazis. They are made for each other. Let them continue shooting each other up while the rest of the world stays away from those Slavs.
“the Nazi German occupying terrorists murdered over 33k Jews in Babyn Yar.”
… With the very eager help of the Nazi’s Ukrainian collaborators.
Ukraine is the land of Tach V’Tat. Ukraine TODAY still celebrates the Ukrainian leader who mass murdered the Yidden in Tach V’Tat.
MW: Shkoyach.
Trivia: When did England have three Queens simultaneously?
Interjection: If the US attacks Russia ‘s army even with conventional weapons, as the senile Biden is threatening to do if Russia tactically nukes ukrai6, that means a direct hot war between the US and Russia for the first time in history; something that never occurred even during the Cold War. In fact, it would be the first direct war between two nuclear armed states. And even though the US is much stronger than Russia conventionally, in a nuclear war both sides lose big time. And once Russia uses nukes in Ukraine, there’s no betting it won’t use them against the US if the Biden goes to war against Russia.
35+21=56.
Florida is your place.
Okay.
You’re welcome.
Avira, that’s exactly the point in my last comment.
“Just your friendly septennial reminder”
No offense, sir, and said with the greatest brotherly love, but I believe you have not issued this “septennial reminder” seven or fourteen years ago, even though you were active here in both those timeframes.
1. Must a Pruzbul be written (by those with outstanding loans)
a. Before the Shmitta year
b. During the Shmitta year or
c. Both years?2. Is there any reason for someone who has no outstanding loans to write a Pruzbul?
3. Must the Pruzbul be maintained after it is written or can it be immediately discarded and still be effective and valid thereafter? If it must be retained, for how long? (Some loans might have repayment dates 15 or more years later.)
4. Can a borrower demand to see the Pruzbul before he repays a loan? Even if the payment is six years after the last Shmitta (for a loan predating Shmitta)? If it isn’t produced can he legitimately refuse to pay?
5. If someone forgot to make a Pruzbul (or chose not to), can all those who borrowed from him legitimately refuse to repay?
6. Can a business entity (owned by multiple partners or even thousands of shareholders) make a Pruzbul? Must it?
7. Do debts owed from non-financial transactions, such as purchases, damages, services rendered, etc. require a Pruzbul to remain valid after Shmitta?
I believe the Kiruv professionals and Kiruv Yeshivas should put a greater emphasis on outreach towards Modern Orthodox Jews, who are much more likely these days to be receptive than completely secular Jews. The secular Jews from the 1960s and 1970s are much further away today from any semblance of Yiddishkeit than back then. It is far harder, and much less successful, to reach them nowadays than back then.
Even though many MOs will not be receptive, indeed perhaps a majority even would not, there’s still enough of a minority, whatever the numbers may be, to work with. Much like in previous decades perhaps only 1 in 8 or 1 in 10 secular Jews approached by people doing Kiruv were responsive, that 1 in whatever the percent is, is a jumping board towards making Jews more observant.
Teaneck is completely very Modern Orthodox. 5 Towns is also mostly Modern Orthodox but with a dabble and mix of a little bit of some Yeshivish and Neo-Chasidus.
J12: The link is technically broken with a space. To get it working you need to manually delete the space
Right now there’s a real risk of Russia going nuclear. If Russia does use tactical nuclear weapons against Ukraine, then a serious risk develops of a direct war between the United States and Russia. That war could be conventional or could go nuclear, between two nuclear armed states.
I don’t believe the average American has any idea how close to reality these dangerous scenarios potentially are right now.
Avira, is it more of thing in Eretz Yisroel than in America?
Also, have you seen many the other way, with Chasidish men marrying Litvish women?
MBS is the heir apparent Crown Prince. His father is the absolute monarch.
Jack, the likelihood of Russia not gaining territory after all is said and done, is rather small. Ukraine is highly unlikely to be able to win this war. The only question is what the extent of it will be.
Yida, I’ve been making the same suggestion for years, regarding Chasidish boys with Litvish girls. I’ve seen it happen, but not often — and usually the girl was more heimish than Litvish.
Have you seen the other way — Litvish boys with Chasidish girls?
Saudia Arabia is an absolutely monarchy today. So are Dubai, Oman, Brunei, Abu Dhabi and the Vatican.
The story is gone because the transvestite’s lawyer threatened the websites they’ll be sued if they didn’t delete the stories about him.
ENS: That’s complete sheker. There are many neighborhoods with larger food stamps acceptance than Boro Park and Williamsburg. Are all your previous comments also filled with false data? Additionally, Willy has a significant Hispanic population.
“Does anyone know if these selichos with musical accompaniment and singing are increasing every year?”
Until relatively a few years ago (maybe a decade/decade and half) the only places I heard of this were at the Carlebach houses; which attracted some electic crowds, including the long hair types, etc. Almost never heard of them in regular frum, Yeshivish, Heimish or Chasidish circles.
Again someone is taking a small upstate rural village and attempting to extrapolate that data to city dwellers almost a hundred miles away. Why? Because, hey, they both look like the same kind of Jews.
That’s like blaming blacks nationwide for the black incarceration rate in Washington, DC.
YU, is at most, a b’dieved for those that would have done even less without it.
Again, no one needs to be exactly like the Amish to benefit from the constitutional rights of freedom of religion pertaining to education enumerated in Yoder. If anyone wants to strip anyone else of their First Amendment rights, then any burden of proof lies upon such party. Taking a small rural town and attempting to apply it to others, only because they share the same religion, won’t fly in court. Aside from the fact that the difference in income between the compared parties is rather small in any event.
And, for the umpteenth time, the Chasidim are very self sufficient. Their incomes are above the national average and certainly above the average of other minority groups that go to public school. And their welfare acceptance rates are below other minority groups that go to public school.
ENS/AAQ: Good grief, people. Who said this cash income isn’t being reported to the IRS? All your above statistics in this thread is NOT IRS data! And you’re both assuming the worst in other Yidden; that they don’t report their cash income for tax purposes?! Of course they do.
“Esav soneh Yaakov is still the halocha”
Esav soneh Yaakov does not mean Yaakov should become a little more like Esav to make him less hateful.