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Once upon a time I used to listen to a capella during sefira. I don’t anymore… but only because I believe it violates the spirit of the halacha, even if it’s technically permitted.
No, I won’t rebuke anyone else who does listen to a capella. It’s simply something I hold for myself.
The Wolf
I did not mean to say all men are “lechers”. I just that such a thing has occurred. My fault for my lack of clarity.
Has it happened? Sure. Lots of things happen — but we don’t base public policy on a “it once happened” basis. If we were to do that, our lives would be so restricted that we would barely be able to do anything at all.
The Wolf
Everyone who sent their daughters to this school knew their hashkafah and I do not have any sympathy.
Unless this policy represents a shift to the right and was sprung on parents when it was too late to change anything*.
The Wolf
* I don’t know that to be the actual here — I’m speaking in the hypothetical.
how are they any different than 99 percent of the lying media we have out there whether it be print or thru the airwaves.
Even if what you say is true (and that’s far from given), that doesn’t change anything for two reasons:
1. Just because others do wrong is no reason to do wrong yourself.
2. We believe we are held to a higher standard. We must strive to live up to that higher standard.
The Wolf
Wolf:: Correct spelling is Der Tzeitung!
Thank you.
The Wolf
@thewolf – the colbert report did a very funny spoof on this last night regarding your exact point. it would be on his website
Heh. That’s exactly the point I was making! 🙂
The Wolf
Health,
I’m sorry… I just believe you’re wrong. I don’t believe the readers of Der Terztung (did I get that right?) make the assumption that women are removed from every picture. I believe that they are far more likely to see a picture and take it as an actual, accurate representation. Just MHO.
The Wolf
It was a violation of common sense, but nothing else.
It was a violation of journalistic standards. It was a violation of honesty. It was a violation of truth.
They could have not run the photo. They could have edited the photo and informed their readers that the photo was edited. They did neither. They violated far more than just “common sense.”
The Wolf
This is your underlying mistake. Their readership makes no such assumption. The only assumption that they do make is that if women are present in the photos, they will be removed. It doesn’t matter what the political or social status of that woman is. Don’t put your assumptions that you have when you look at media on them!
Do you think the average reader will see the photo and think “there was a woman there but the paper removed her?” Or do you think the average reader will take the photo as a factual representation of what happened?
I think the latter is true.
If the former is true, then perhaps the newspaper is further violating tznius standards since men looking at every photo must be wondering “Was there a woman in that photo? If so, who was she?”
The Wolf
edited
I not only took this photo, but have it on display in my house.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/yda6OUiaaZH9dCaFsWC4tQ?feat=directlink
The Wolf
Who cares? All their readers know that women are cut out from photos and appreciate it. This is one of the reasons why we buy frum newspapers.
But the people don’t know that Hillary Clinton was there when she, in fact was.
The newspaper had three options that would have been ethical in terms of journalism:
1. Run the photo as is.
2. Not run the photo at all.
3. Alter the photo and include a caption stating that Hillary Clinton and a staffer were there but were removed by the newspaper out of modesty concerns.
Any of those three options would have been acceptable. The newspaper decided to take none of them and instead make their readership believe that no women were present at all. That is simply wrong — it’s a falsification of fact, something that is supposed to be taboo in the newspaper world.
But yeah, I know what you or others will say… I’ve been corrupted by tumahdik American values. How dare I question the holy actions of the newspaper, right? What would a kofer like me know about things like tznius, kedushah and taharah? So, fine… I’m a horrible kofer who doesn’t realize that tznius trumps journalistic standards.
The Wolf
Men have no busness being where there will be bunches of teenage girls. Thats how terrible things happen.
Yes, that’s right. Because I went to my daughter’s graduation, all sorts of terrible things happened.
If you truly feel that terrible things happen to girls because their fathers attend their graduations, then I am personally willing to take responsibility for everything terrible that happens to every girl in that class for the rest of their lives.
The Wolf
But the funniest “photoshop” photo was one taken when she was First Lady, and she was photographed with 2 mashgichim in the White House. When the charedi press printed the photo, they edited her out of the shot, but failed to edit her out of the aluminum foil reflection.
Actually, that was Laura Bush.
The Wolf
wolf, once again, it’s mind boggling to me how you sit for hours arguing with an 11th grader when you claim to be a person with children in high school, having to support a family. Like what’s goin on here?
Typical. Shift the focus to a personal attack when you can’t answer on the points. Yet another sign of lack of merit to your arguments.
Once again, I ask you to point out to me how the course has changed since I took it in the 1980s.
The Wolf
We should be ?? ??? ???? frum Jews too, not only reshaim.
I can give them that in respect that they perhaps they did not know the terms of the photo. I cannot give them that in the fact that they purport themselves to be a newspaper (with the journalistic standards that that implies) and that they believe it’s perfectly all right to alter news photos.
If you don’t want to print a photo, then fine, don’t print it. But to alter it and present it as an “as it happened” moment is lying — pure and simple. They *do* know better than that.
The Wolf
wolf, i’m sorry my screen name was yros, if you search that many posts of mine will come up. I did it
Then you STILL don’t know how to compare dates. January 2008 (when I joined) is before September 2008 (the date on the yros profile).
So, let’s see what we have: You claim to be an expert in educational curricula despite not being able to comprehend when one date comes before another one, you believe that calling people names is a good form of argument, you believe that basic respect for one’s elders (even if you disagree with them) does not apply, nor does plain old civil disagreement.
The Wolf
You are just assuming that trig is a hard subject that i’m not interested in learning, so i’m just saying it’s useless.
I made no such assumption. I accused you of ignorance and inexperience, not laziness. Please don’t accuse me of things that you don’t have proof of.
wolf, as i said earlier, you obviously don’t know what the current trigonometry course includes
So then educate me, please. You’ve stated numerous times that the content of the trigonometry course has changed since I took it. Very well, so please tell me what has changed. What is being taught now that was not taught when I took the course back in the late 1980s? And how is that additional content useless?
The Wolf
wolf, i used to be torah tziva, and yros26 before that. yros26 was the first screen name i had, and if i recall, i registered with that screen name just a bit before you.
Post a link to the profile proving it. I searched for yros26 and got a “user not found” error.
Nonetheless, even if you’re right on this point, you’ve still proven yourself to be someone who does not know how to argue civilly, especially since this isn’t the first time you’ve called me a “little shnuk.” Apparently respect for one’s elders (even if you disagree with them), basic derech eretz and middos tovos aren’t taught in your yeshiva.
The Wolf
gregaaron, thank you for the support, finally someone is normal
Are you implying that I am not normal?
here and talking from experience. OK, WOLF???
I addressed him in my last post. Just because he does not use it in his field, that does not mean that it has no applicability at all in any of those fields.
I work in databases, and I manage to get along fine without knowing about vertical partitioning of tables across federated servers, but that doesn’t mean that it has no applicability in the world of databases. It just means that I have yet to run across the need for it (although I may someday do so).
The Wolf
Dunno what the Wikipedia writer was on, er, referring to, but I have a Masters in psychology and am in the midst of the doctorate program and have yet to have had a use for any trig (which is good, because I didn’t know it in high school, and don’t know it now). Statistics yes, but not trig.
That’s a fair point. I don’t think that trigonometry is necessary for EVERY aspect of those fields, but it COULD be used in those fields (and, in at least some cases, may well be required).
The Wolf
I have been on this forum for longer then any of you little shnuks
Again with the name calling. So, you’ve proven that in addition to being an arrogant-know-it-all, you also have bad middos and don’t know how to argue civilly.
I have been on this forum for longer then any of you
Oh, and you obviously don’t know how to compare dates.
WolfishMusings: member since Jan 24, 2008
HIE: member since October 1, 2009 (profile Hashem-Is-Everywhere)
See, you may have missed this while studying for the trigonometry test, but 2008 is BEFORE 2009. In other words, I’ve been here about twice as long as you have.
The Wolf
It’s also interesting to note that you think you know it all, having been in only one profession.
Wrong. I have done MANY things in my varied life.
I have spoke to many people in many different areas regarding this and therefore have come up with what I say.
As opposed to me who sits in a cave by myself and talks to no one??? I *do* have three kids in high school right now. I am pretty well versed with what goes on in high school and I have spoken with many other parents, teachers, principals and other people as well.
You come out of the blue, thinking you “KNOW IT ALL”. Very interesting to note!
On the contrary, YOU are the one who thinks they “KNOW IT ALL” while seeing things from only the student’s side. Grow up, become a parent of high schoolers, gain some life experience and then come back and let us know if you still feel the same way.
The Wolf
There’s no one that says “it’s not bad”, or, “It’s Okay”!!
It’s okay. I neither love nor hate Brooklyn. There are certainly better places to live, but there are also worse.
The Wolf
It’s quite interesting. All you people here think you know it all. You think you know exactly what’s going on in the yeshivos, although you haven’t been there in years. Very interesting to note!
It’s quite interesting. You seem to think you know it all. You think you know exactly which subject will and will not be useful in future life, even though you do not have any life experience beyond high school. You also seem to believe yourself to be an expert on educational curricula, even though you have absolutely no training in it whatsoever. Very interesting to note!
The Wolf
Instead of looking for a Rav who will be lenient upon whom to hang your hat, why not look for a Rav whom you respect and to whom you can ask various sha’ailos that come up?
The Wolf
Wolf: The real question is: If your’e such a busy guy as you claim to be, having to work, raise a family and so on, how can you spend so many hours on here in the first place? If you do have the time to spend so much time here you also have the time to spend a couple extra seconds “decoding” my posts.
How I spend my time is none of your business. This doesn’t change the fact that you seem to feel that your time is more valuable than the time of others. Despite how busy I am, I take the time to make sure that my posts are legible and easily understandable. In other words, I try to make things easier on my readers, not more difficult, because I respect their time (and intelligence).
The Wolf
B’h I have a life and don’t have time to check ever little mistake. I type at the speed of 60 wpm and on my netbook I make many mistakes because it’s hard to type on it. Also, I’m very used to texting language, so i use that here too.
In other words, you believe that your time is more valuable than ours. You believe that the one or two seconds you are saving by not typing correctly is more valuable than the time we (your readers) have to take to “decode” what you’re writing.
But you know what? I have a life too. I work AND go to school. And I raise kids, and do lots of other things too. And yet, I find the time to use proper punctuation, correct spelling mistakes and make it easier for my audience to read what it is I have to say. In short, stop being self-centered.
The Wolf
Personally, we never bake enough bread to require taking challah
Eeees bakes just about every week and takes challah. And on the odd occasion that I make the challos for shabbos, I take challah from the dough.
The Wolf
…as my teacher himself told us, you only need to know it for the regent, after that its useless.
And, as I’ve shown above, your teacher is dead wrong on this.
The Wolf
Would it be paranoid to buy them?
Contact your MD. I am not qualified to answer that question.
The Wolf
they are using secular tunes, so they may not pass the yeshivish sniff test.
So does MBD.
The Wolf
what does iodine help with?
Iodine absorbs radioactive materials and prevents it from settling in places like your thyroid where it can do real damage.
An MD (Mod 80, are you around?) could probably explain it a lot better than I can.
The Wolf
the trig that is learned in high school about 0% of the high schoolers learning it know whats goin on they just know a couple facts and formulas and somehow pass the regent. mark my word, i’v spoken to many people from many yeshivos.
You didn’t speak to me. I understood trigonometry in high school.
The Wolf
I’m not saying the halacha is wrong. I’m just saying it doesn’t mean that the women themselves are Jewish.
Whatever. I don’t even know why I’m bothering with this question. If you really have any doubts as to whether or not your wife is Jewish, perhaps you should speak to your LOR.
The Wolf
Only some people know how to make cars, and only some women are able to give birth to Jews.
Is it your contention that the halacha regarding maternal transmission of Jewishness is wrong?
The Wolf
Do you keep them in your house?
No
Are you worried baout a nuclear explosion?
No
We don’t ahve any – I’m debating if I should order some.
Contact your local MD.
The Wolf
If women aren’t Jewish, then the men aren’t either, since every man is born from a woman and Jewishness follows the mother.
The Wolf
Define “not yeshivish” WRT music.
The Wolf
Everyone checks up on snopes to find out if something is true. How do we know that snopes is always right – what is it, the computer bible?
No one says that they’re always right, and undoubtedly, there may be times that they are wrong. But they do have a reputation as being pretty accurate. But if you have evidence to show that they are wrong, then by all means look elsewhere for answers.
The Wolf
trigonometry will NEVER help you in life!
… unless you want to go into acoustics, astronomy, biology, cartography, chemistry, civil engineering, computer graphics, geophysics, crystallography, economics (in particular in analysis of financial markets), electrical engineering, electronics, land surveying and geodesy, many physical sciences, mechanical engineering, machining, medical imaging (CAT scans and ultrasound), meteorology, music theory, number theory (and hence cryptography), oceanography, optics, pharmacology, phonetics, probability theory, psychology, seismology, statistics, and visual perception, education.
The Wolf
(taken from the Wikipedia article “Uses of trigonometry.”)
BTW when did he become Usama? Is it because Osama is too similar to Obama?
I’ve seen Usama used for a loooong time. It’s just an alternate spelling of the original Arabic.
To me, the biggest proof that OBL was dead (or at least not a free man) was the fact that he didn’t release a message right after the operation was announced saying “Hey, Obama, you missed….”
The Wolf
in the old days princesses married amphibians.
Well, no, not really. They *kissed* amphibians. They married amphibians who turned into princes (who, in the majority of cases, were princes before they turned into amphibians).
The Wolf (who is neither prince nor amphibian).
I don’t believe there is a “set” liturgy for an unveiling. I’ve been to a few and seen widely differing services. Almost all involved a short hesped, various tehillim and kaddish.
Why not just ask your rav?
The Wolf
Trigonometry is total nonsense. its all about fake numbers.
I’m fairly certain that people who use trigonometry in their daily occupations would disagree with you that it’s “all nonsense” and about “fake numbers.”
no one can relate to chemistry.
No one? Have you ever taken any medication? Used almost any product?
The Wolf
btw kate is not a princess, nor was diana a princess
Well, they are/were princesses by marriage and are entitled to use the title.
In all, there are currently ten people entitled to use the title “Princess” in the UK:
The Duchess of Cornwall (who holds legal title to the style “Princess of Wales” even if she does not use it).
The Duchess of Cambridge
Princess Beatrice of York
Princess Eugenie of York
Lady Louise Windsor (who is legally entitled to use the style of “Princess Louise of Wessex” but does not do so at her parents wishes).
Princess Anne
The Duchess of Gloucester
The Duchess of Kent
Princess Michael of Kent
Princess Alexandra
Of these, only Beatrice, Eugenie, Louise, Anne and Alexandra are princesses by birth and hence known as Princess (first name).
The Wolf
I’m also curious by what right one Rav feels he has the right to pre-empt another Rav’s ruling.
The Wolf
I’m sure she will popularly be called Princess Kate.
Indeed she will be, just as Diana was called “Princess Di.”
The Wolf
But I could see someone’s Rov saying “If you don’t follow my shitta, you are being Mechalel Shabbos B’Maizid!!”.
You can’t see it?
Yes, I can see it. But that’s a very narrow-minded approach. There ARE legitimate shittos l’kula. If people don’t recognize that and insist on “my way or the highway” (which is what you are insisting on if you’re going to call someone a mechalel shabbos b’mayzid with all that that entails), then we have a very sorry situation indeed.
The Wolf