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Star-K does not give a hecksher to anything milkig unless it is Halav Yisrael.
The problem with “list” kashrus is policies can change relative to the list. That’s why many people strongly prefer to see a hecksher symbol on the product. Under American law, the company’s can (and do) force the recall of an authorized hecksher, but have no control over an unauthorized or dates use of a company’s trademark.
akupermaParticipant1. There are two separate halachic issues: 1) whether a Beefalo (a Bison-Cow hybrid) is a kosher animal; AND 2) whether it is permitted to breed them because of a distinct isur of mixing separate animals (the “mule”) issue.
2. There should be no problem with eating a “Beefalo” since it is just a funny looking cow (as are all Bison), and they are clearly cattle with which we have always been familiar. Unlike mules, they naturally mate and produce fertile offspring. No shailoh.
3. The “zebu” was due to a person ignorant about biology asking a shailoh based on a false premise, i.e. saying that since a “zebu” is a new animal we have no experience with, do we need a separate mesorah to hold it to be kosher. If the person did his research properly before asking, the question would have been based on “a zebu is a funny looking cow from India – that is in all ways just another type of cow, not a separate species”. When one asks a shailoh, one states facts and the Rav answers on the basis of those stated facts, and if you mess up with your facts, the answer you receive is no more relevant than the misstated facts upon which the shailoh was based.
akupermaParticipantBison are just a different type of cow, just like Blacks and Whites are different types of people. Bison and Cattle will breed naturally and produce fertile offspring. Based on DNA analysis, it turns out most American Bison are part cattle. By way of contrast, donkeys and horses do not mate in the wild, and the offspring are usually sterile.
akupermaParticipant1. Removing the power supply (as in unplugging) is most effective.
2. Disconnecting from the antenna (cable hookup, internet connection) works well, and leave open the option of using the hardware for other purposes.
3. It seems most frum people addicted to things, somehow manage to break their addictions on Shabbos and Yuntuf (which according to the professional psychologists isn’t possible if they are truely addicted).
akupermaParticipantfrumnotyeshivish: So a major in “film history” or a student who has mastered the history of medieval Ruritania sexual preferences is better qualified than a BTL for Law school? That’s why law schools look at transcripts, and they like to some courses relevant to becoming a lawyer (e.g. know enough American history so you understand how it is that the New York Court of Appeals, and the Court of Appeals sitting in New York City, are entirely different courts). Regular college degrees can be total junk – which is probably why a BTL is often accepted
popa_bar_abba: In an ideal world, academic merit would be the primary thing that gets one a job. But unless you hold that graduates of elite prep schools have excessive academic merit, its hard to explain their overrepresentation other than that social connections and family background still count. And while a young lawyer from a very “chasuv” rabbinical family, a good yeshiva, a beard and pe’os, and amazing grades and other legal activities might still get hired – the reality remains that “what you are” is still a big factor.
akupermaParticipantIf the goal is admission to an elite national law school and finding employment in “Big law”, a BTL is not the best way to go. In all situations, other than working for a frum organization, a BTL is quite unimpressive, meaning the other aspects of the resume have to be impressive, such as standardized tests, references, job history, specific courses, other accomplishment. A BA/BS from an elite university carries the most weight.
For some purposes, a BTL is fine. Non-elite law schools don’t mind them (but again, they’ll look at the rest of the resume). Government agencies that require “a bachelor’s degree” don’t mind them – but they may request a specific subject background.
akupermaParticipantBowling isn’t an issue since it involves electric machinery to reset the pins and return the balls – so obviously it is asur. Even the way it was done 100 years ago with “pinboys” doinhe resetting would be a problem since you need to pay the pinboys. If you had a home bowling alleys (a few very rich people do), it might be possible to do bowling on Shabbos but that’s not a realistic question.
akupermaParticipantAssuming you aren’t an exercise fanatic, excessive eating leads to becoming fat. Then you start experiencing symptons such as blurring vision, loss of feeling in limbs, problems in the body processing food and removing wastes, difficulty sleeping due to having to wake up frequently, etc. Then it will be much easier to diet. Remember the famous saying, that the sight of the gallows helps one focus one’s mind. Once you see food as an invitation to a reception given by the local hevra kaddish, it will be easy to eat less.
akupermaParticipantAssuming you are playing indoors, why should it be any different than chess, about which we have a millenia worth of halachic discussion?
akupermaParticipantgetzel1 who said “a husband from divorcing his wife who wishes to remain married to him.”
In that situation, in virtually all legal systems, including our own, it is too early to talk about divorce. If one spouse wants the marriage to survive, they need counseling, not lawyering.
Any competent legal system will wait until the spouse agree on the need to divorce, which usually doesn’t take long (either they decide the spouse opposing the divorce was right and they reconcile, or it becomes obvious to both that marriage is over).
The issues arise when one spouse (usually the man) is using the “get” as leverage to get a money or a better deal (typically involving custody). It is rarely over a desire for reconciliation.
akupermaParticipantWhy is leather an issue? It was common in all clothing until plastic was invented back in the 20th century? It can also be very fashionable depending on styles, particularly for outerwear. However it is more expensive than plastic, which is why most people avoid it and substitute plastic instead (plus one can make waterproof plastic more cheaply and more waterproof than leather). Unlike plastic, leather “breathes” which is why fine shoes are made of leather – with a tremendous cost difference.
akupermaParticipantyichusdik: It’s not a matter of justification (assuming neither side seriously wants to “save the marriage” which suggests its too early to talk about “get”), but rather why we never hear about men complaining about wives not accept a “get”, which is because it is a statistically different situation.
akupermaParticipantjbaldy22:
FDU – that’s Fairleigh Dickinson University , which has a fairly decent reputation for academics (and also for “Greek” life, which can be an issue). It’s also expensive (similar to Touro) but may be more liberal with financial aid.
If the person wants to avoid members of the opposite sex while getting an undergraduate degree, that suggest distance education. They are more acceptable than a BTL, cheaper as a rule, and avoid many of the shailohs. The fact that someone is looking for alternatives to Touro, suggests they want a single sex school with no goyim, since they are ruling out the obvious (public universities). While there are goyim in distance education, they are online (and often in different countries) so there is less of an issue.
akupermaParticipantThere are ways to deal with a wife refusing a “get” that allow the husband to marry, and don’t result in mazerim. That is why we don’t hear about women refusing a “get” but do hear about a man refusing to give a “get”.
akupermaParticipantTouro has a fairly low reputation, and relatively high tuition and low financial aid. Public universities are cheaper and better, but presumably if you consider Touro you have ruled out going to a university with goyim. This leaves Yeshiva College/Stern as an option. For a woman, there are some all-female colleges, but they are expensive. There is the option of distance education but that is a problem in some subjects (e.g. becoming a health care professional).
akupermaParticipant1. Why should the issue be different than for men. Since no one holds women have an obligation to spend all day learning, there’s no problem with women doing something that causes “bitul Torah”, and we have a long tradition of women working ourside the home with many gedolim having had wives who “worked” (and not just as teachers, e.g., as merchants). If college is allowed for a man to earn a parnassah, kal v’homer its allowed for a woman. Various career tracts for a woman is a separate issue.
2. Given the low status of secular women in most societies (e.g. being primarily seen as “sex objects” and the general denigration of motherhood), the outside world is far less attractive to women than for men. Looking at half-naked women is for more tempting to men, than being the one on display is for a woman. Also when a woman makes it clear she “isn’t available” (being modestly dressed and acting business-like, as opposed to social, when talking to males), that is generally respected and the person is not likely be harassed.
3. There are some all-female colleges in the United States, including at least two run by frum organizations. In addition, there is always the distance education option. And a “normal” co-ed school is less problematic for women than men.
akupermaParticipantRe: “I heard that last year there was even a Touro grad who turned down her acceptance to Harvard. Which clearly proves that Touro is better than Harvard. “
If someone was planning to become a lawyer working within the frum community, rather than “Big Law”, a Harvard (or any Ivy) degree is not such a big help. Paying full tuition and room and board (for a New Yorker going to Harvard) and ending up $250K in debit is in itself problematic, and a “local” law schools (such as Fordham, New York Law School, St. John’s, Brooklyn, etc.) may offer very attrractive tuition discounts, an opportunity to live at home (for free), and a curriculum oriented towards those who plan to practice law in “the real world” of the outer boroughs, small businesses, etc.
akupermaParticipantIt’s a style. It’s a matter of fashion. In most western countries a black hat is considered a very formal hat worn only by persons of importance at special occasions, e.g. by royalty at a royal wedding. If black fedora became something associated with being lower class (e.g. if construction workers and garbage collectors wore black fedoras), the style would change.
Socks are a good example of how fashions changed. In 19th century Europe, white socks were a very important garment (remember, this is prior to paved street being common, and when horses tended to make the street dirty). Only rich people could manage to go with shoes (other than boots) and white socks. In America it’s opposite since white socks are preferred only for recreational or physical work and are distinctly undress – and you will notice that the percentage of frum people wearing white socks on Shabbos has fallen noticably over the last two generations.
Fashion is how you communicate to the world who you are and how you perceive yourself and how you want to be perceived. It has nothing to do with halacha or kabballah. Most frum Jews are communicating that we are respectable people who are very traditional in our outlook. A black hat does that.
akupermaParticipantAn Ivy degree guarantees a good shot at a job in “Big Law” – and remember getting hired only means you’ll have a shot at making partner. In judging whether frum Jews are overrepresented, it’s important to remembet that “Big law” is concentrated in New York as are frum Jews. Going to Columbia or NYU, paying full tuition, and support a wife and kids (meaning borrowing the money to pay tuition and keey your family alive) is an awful big gamble.
To be a lawyer in Brooklyn, go for clinics rather than law reviews, and assume you’ll need to be able find the courthouse on your first day at work (unlike the elites who are hired as overpaid apprentices).
akupermaParticipantAs a percentage of all Shomer Shabbos lawyers, those in “Big Law” are a distinct minority. Anyone who incurs several hundred thousand dollars of debts (that aren’t dischargeable in bankruptcy) to go to law school in the belief that he is guaranteed making partner at a “Big Law” firm is probably making a big mistake. And remember that most frum lawyer wannabees are likely to be married before starting law school (on the other hand, if someone is single, can live at home, and has parents who can pay $50K tuition – their only costg is the opportunity cost so it isn’t a bad deal). If someone goes to law school considering it most likely they’ll join the number of lawyers serving the “99%”, either in a government agency or a small firm, they will make better choices (and probably would decide that a non-fancy law school with a large scholarship is better than an Ivy and owing a quarter million on graduation).
akupermaParticipantI believe you will find that most frum lawyers end up working for small firms, as solo practitioners (which is a small firm with only one partner), or for the government.
While “Big law” is open to frum Jews, it is hard to land a job there (one needs excellent credentials and it helps to have the right social credentials and by definition if you are frum you don’t have the right social credentials). One should note that it appears that “Big law” (the large corporate law firms such as “Dewey Ballantine” a.k.a. “Dewey LeBoeuf”) are having problems, and one might suggest that planning a career in the hope of working for “big law” may be dubious choice.
akupermaParticipantThe typical requirements are an accredited bachelors degree (though in some cases, an equivalent can do) and whatever courses they list in their list of admissions requirement (for medical schools it is very set, for business and law its whatever catches the fancy of the admissions officers, for most non-professional graduate programs it is the equivalent of a BA major program in the subject). Then there are the standardized exams such as the LSAT.
Once you meet the minimum requirements, the trick is to convince the admissions officer that you are interesting. Some programs have essays and interviews. You have to convince them your background is a good fit for their program. It is actually quite subjective.
Also remember that the prestige of a school doesn’t necessarily correlate with employability. If your goal is to be a lawyer in the frum community (i.e. a small firm in Boro Park), a degree from Harvard or Columbia may be less valuable than one from a lower ranked school that specializes in preparing students to practice in Brooklyn rather than working for “Big law.”
akupermaParticipant1. It has no value or prestige within the frum community.
2. It meets the legal requirements for a bachelors (“first”) degree, so any program that says “you need a bachelors” without being more specific will be satisfied. Thus, in theory, a BTL and the right courses could get you into medical school. In all fairness, most graduatge programs require any bachelors and no more. However most graduate programs require specific courses (among other things), and a yeshiva won’t offer such courses but they could be taken at a secular university.
3. In some cases, if you can prove you’ve spent four or more years in yeshiva learning full time, a graduate school would say that is the equivalent of a bachelors. It’s up to the school.
October 29, 2013 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm in reply to: Are the Chilonim and Datiim Tziyonim the biggest problem? #983829akupermaParticipantOff the derekh Jews are always the major problem. We can survive anything the goyim throw against us. At this point, we are three generations past the holocaust, and there are probably more Jews learning Torah than there were before. But if you look the demographic impact of the massive shmad led by the secular Jews of the mid-20th century (the “Reform”, the “Socialists” and yes, the zionists)- the effect on our community is still felt. Frum families that were almost wiped out by the Nazis have recovered and are thriving. But the secular families that were decimated (from a Jewish point of view) by the secular movements have not recovered and are approaching a point where their descendants are no more like to become a baal tseuvah than a random goy is to convert (and of coursem many of their descendants are goyim).
akupermaParticipantJHU is a short ride from main frum community in Baltimore, and has an on campus kosher meal plan. The nature of the JHU-Ner “cooperation” seems to be more of JHU allowing its students to transfer credits from Ner under certain circumstances, and Ner allowing some of its students to take JHU (or other college courses). If you look at JHU’s online materials, they don’t see it as a “joint program”. As with most elite universities, JHU meets 100% of need, so tuition is a function of the EFC. Also remember that Baltimore is relatively inexpensive to live in compared to the New York or Washington areas.
October 28, 2013 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm in reply to: Would you intervene or let nature run its course? #988512akupermaParticipantIf it was your duck, I’m sure you would intervene. Most ducks live coddled lives until WE eat them.
October 27, 2013 11:18 pm at 11:18 pm in reply to: Why are some Orthodox pro the Gambling Referendum? #983191akupermaParticipantIs it for us to tell the goyim what to do? Gambling is not prohibited to goyim by halacha (whereas having the government engage fund raising through piracy, or running brothels, or sponsoring “fight to the death” gladiator competitions would be an halachic issue since they violate the laws governing goyim). Any revenue to the government that we don’t contribute is good for us, since the alternative is to raise taxes on everyone including us.
And at least its more honest than recruiting American Indians, whose ancestors were victims of “ethnic cleansing” and forced expulsions by New York 200+ years, in the hopes do the dirty work the state needs for money (the Indians who were offered reservations if they would run casinos, have a much higher sense of pride and morality, said they weren’t interested, and that we should have thought of that before stealing their land and chasing them away). So it is more logical for the state to legalize casinos rather than trying to evade the state law by recruiting Indians to run them.
P.S. Unlike Connecticut, where the Indians running casinos were always living there – the Indians who lived in the Catskills were evicted under conditions that today would be considered crimes against humanity. New York been trying to get their descendants to move back.
October 25, 2013 11:41 am at 11:41 am in reply to: NeutiquamErro's favorite thread with an obscure title #1147245akupermaParticipant1. The theme of the story has strong Christian overtones, with Harry being the “messianic” character.
2. If you were writing a Jewish equivalent, it would end up being radically different. There’s no one to one equivalence between the Christian/ British concepts and Jewish ones.
3. An important aspect, and probably the one frum kids relate to, is that the wizarding sub-culture is a small sub-culture largely hidden from the mainstream and existing with its own values, while be regarded by the mainstream as being somewhat deviant.
akupermaParticipantNot having a brain isn’t so bad. Have you considered a career in politics?
October 24, 2013 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm in reply to: Okay, so maybe maybe I'm a racist but how can I know for sure? #982005akupermaParticipantIf you are speaking American English, “race” is a function of skin color, and believing one race to be superior to another verges on being an apikores since you are throwing into doubt the ikar in Humash that HaShem created everyone quite recently (Yaakov Aveinu was aquainted with the son of the common ancestor of all people). That’s make you very close to the “multiple creations” idea embraced by some goyim which is clearly apikorsis. If we are descended from a common ancestor who lives only 150 generations ago, all humans should be genetically close to identical (which, BTW, is what DNA analysis suggests).
If you are speaking British English, “race” is just a function of ethnicity and culture, and at most regarding other “races” (Americans would say ethnic groups) as annoying is quite rude in mixed company.
akupermaParticipantSuch parodies are primarily mocking Torah and Yiddishkeit, i.e. mocking us. The authors generally think Judaism is about Bagels, living in the suburbs, being a “JAP”, and trying to escape from the backwards types who live in Brooklyn.
If you wanted to write a Jewish “Harry Potter” story it probably could be done, but it would have a very different taste since it would conform to our literary conventions, not their’s.
October 24, 2013 3:10 am at 3:10 am in reply to: If Jewish writers are so good, why don't they publish secular? #983536akupermaParticipantDoes anyone want to argue that Denielle Steele or Sir Arthur Clarke or Alice Walker could write a frum novel if they tried? An author can only write about what they understand. Most frum authors no matter how competent are alien from the goyish world, and vice versa.
October 23, 2013 10:14 pm at 10:14 pm in reply to: If Jewish writers are so good, why don't they publish secular? #983532akupermaParticipantBecause an author is good at producing books for mainstream Americans, reflecting their literary convention, assumptions, etc., doesn’t mean the author is capable of writing for a different subculture with different literary conventions, assumptions, etc.
and vice versa
There is no “inherent” quality in literature other than what the readers will pay for.
akupermaParticipant1. I did some random word counts, and whereas the Babli is perhaps 70% Aramaic, the Yerusalami is at least 70% Hebrew (including Aramaic cognates).
3. The commercial language of the region was Aramaic and many when two languages are used together, words get borrowed (cf. Yiddish and Hebrew in Jewish Brooklynese)
October 22, 2013 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm in reply to: When is it okay to go to college full-time? #981683akupermaParticipantWhen is it okay to have a job full time? The answers should be the same. The only reason to go to college or university is to learn a trade or profession. If all you want is knowledge, read a book.
The question one might ask is when should one start to work full time (in the past many people would get married and then worry about supporting themselves, but I suspect than since the crash five years ago increasing numbers of young men are more concerned about finding parnassah than finding a wife – in part since jobs are scarce and unmarried frum girls aren’t).
akupermaParticipantSiddurim have only been printed for the last few centuries. Before that they were handwritten and very expensive. Indeed, prior to the invention of typesetters and pulp paper, all sefarim were very expensive. From records of early printers, it appears that books that were heavily used frequently have no surviving copies (and with pre-1500, even fewer existed).
If there is a record of someone introducing a tefilah, that answers your question. If it suddenly appears, that allows you to date it. Consider dating the origin of the prayers for the Israeli government and the IDF.
Do the temanim say “Modeh ani”? Does anyone not say it? In what early siddurim is it absent? Is it attributed by contemporaries to an author (as would be the case if it is recent, meaning the last 1500 years).
October 21, 2013 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm in reply to: Protesting Same-Gender Marriage in New Jersey #985980akupermaParticipantMarriage is an economic relationship involving sharing property and mutal liability for debts (and joint and several responsibility for raising children). There is nothing in halacha about two men, or two women, or any other numbers, entering into contracts to share property, being jointly and severally liable for their debts, and to share a household.
If we get too upset about what goyin and frei Jews do in bed, we’ll be very upset. Our objection to gays (not to mention “straights” who reject conventional marriage) is not a function of economics and contracts.
According to Jewish tradition, the people in Sodom got in trouble for their social welfare policies (and being perverts in public policy matters, carried it over to their private affairs). It is the Christians who hold that their “sin” had to do with anything sexual. What the Christians called “unnatural” and referred to as “sodomy”, we call “not according to her way” (and has nothing to do with Sodom).
akupermaParticipant1. It isn’t a “hiddush” about waking up being compared to reviving from the “near death” of sleep. The idea appears in many cultures.
2. The way to date a tefilah isn’t necessarily by looking for the oldest “siddur” that has it, but to see whose siddurim don’t have and seeing when they split. If both Ashkenazi and Sefardi sidduring have something, it probably dates back at least to the period that the Talmuds were being written (before the Ashkenazi/Sefardi split). Physical sidduring don’t last very long since they are heavily used and wear out, whereas a nusach will survive and leave its trace on future siddurim.
akupermaParticipantIf that were true, it would be Lashon Hora on Ha-Shem. Ha-Shem created the world, runs the world, and created humans in His image (which why people are remarkably alike – diversity among humans is compatible to diversity among poodles).
October 20, 2013 3:46 am at 3:46 am in reply to: Should Jews Give Candy This Coming Monday Night? #1105094akupermaParticipantThere is no secular basis for Halloween (a.k.a. All Saints Eve). It’s unlike holidays such as Thanksgiving which is arguably secular (the government declares it), and much closer to Dec. 25. Whether seen in its pre-Christian/pagan original, or in the slightly repurposed form of modern Christians (as “All Saints Eve”) it is clearly Avodah Zarah and the way of doing this Avodah Zarah, and giving candy is part of the Avodah Zarah (not unlike the Jewish custom of giving out candy on Purim, which is clearly a religious obligation regardless of any secular connotations).
akupermaParticipantThe usual definitions of Hispanic include being from the Americas with a mixture of Spanish culture. Thus by those definitions, an Ashkenazi from Argentina is Hispanic, but a Sefardi from Greece is not. Remember that Hispanic culture is a mixture of Iberian culture with that of the Native Americans and the Africans who came as slaves to Latin America.
If the survey makes being Hispanic dependent on coming from “Spain or Portugal” without requiring the American ancestry (using an “or” rather than an “and”), a Sefardi can claim to be Hispanic.
October 17, 2013 1:40 pm at 1:40 pm in reply to: Is there a way to tell if an Esrog is murcav? #979117akupermaParticipantDNA testing would indicate.
akupermaParticipantCOMPLETE yeshiva. You do realize the Baal ha-Batim learn as well.
Decide what you like to do, and make a career out of it. You’ll be miserable doing something you can’t stand doing, and will probably fail. If you are young, intgelligent and hard working, there is no really limit other than what is prohibited by halacha (e.g. becoming a thief).
akupermaParticipantIn response to: “Akuperma: You’re still being silly. Why wouldn’t the proper pronunciation be part of the Mesorah just like vowels are? “
The proof is that diverse groups of frum Jews pronounce Hebrew differently. If the pronounication of the letters and nekudos were part of the mesorah, we would not have distinct accents among frum Jews, i.e. a Sefardi would sound like a Hasid (southeastern dialect), and a Teimani would sound like a Litvak (northeastern Europe dialect). This proves that the diversity of pronounciations is either a tolerable thing or a good thing, but definitely not a bad thing. It also shows that those that want to establish their pronounciation (according to their family’s or community’s traditions) as the “official” or “correct” one, are seriously misguided. Ha-Shem made it clear there is one Torah – but did not make it clear there is one way pronounce the last letter of our alphabet.
And I’m not discussing the Israeli/Zionist dialect, which is merely a combination of the obvious “mistakes” of all the dialects (not distinguishing Aleph and Ayin, or Daled and Thaled, or Saf and Taf, or Patach and Kametz, etc.), and actually demonstrates a well known rule that living languages tend to simplify over time.
akupermaParticipantI believe when presented with an actual case, most posekim would assume the person did tseuvah immediately prior to the moment of death, rendering the discussion moot.
Obviously this is a question for whomever one relies on for guidance.
akupermaParticipantIt is unknowable even how people such as George Washington or Robert E. Lee, sounded. The only way to guess at past speech was from mistakes people made, or parodies, or attempts at transliteration into different languages – and that’s all really guessing. No one can possibly know what Moshe Rabeinu sounded like (though he probably had an Egyptian accent since he grew up among Egyptians), or what Avraham Aveinu sounded like (though compated to his children, grandchildren and great-children, he probably sounded like someone from Mesopotamia), and Kal v-Homer no one could know what Ha-Shem sounds like (and yes I know that ever Litvak thinks he has a Vilna accent, and every Hasid is sure thinks he prounces “oo” and “e”, and “kametz” as “oh”).
akupermaParticipantThe first person to set foot in the New World was the ancestor of the Indians.
Under their own laws, if the goyim decide something is illegal, it is clearly their right prohibit it. By European “public international law” of that era (jus gentium), Columbus was a criminal.
Hispanics regard “Columbus Day” as “Dia de la raza” (and see it as the creation of their ethnic group- which is a mixture of Spanish, Indians and Africans, with Spanish being the dominant culture. It’s mainly the American Indians who hate Columbus.
And most Spanish have Jewish ancestry. Columbus was clearly ashamed of his, and was making a point of being a very fanatic Catholic. Had he wanted to flee Spain, as a mariner, he could have done so with ease.
akupermaParticipantIn response to: “Did he do anything illegal? “
Under existing law (and yes, they had public international law at the time) it was widely debated whether the Europeans had the “right” to go into America and conquering people and stealing their land (as well as going into Africa to kidnap people for slaves). In general the lawyers said “NO”, most governments instructed their agents to behaive themselves, and the people “on the ground” in America decided that there weren’t any lawyers for thousands of miles and most governments would not be too upset when the cash rolled in.
The Bnei Yisrael conquered Canaan only because Ha-Shem told them to. The Europeans never claimed that had a divine mandate to engage in slavery or conquest (the closest is the American idea of “manifest destiny”, and not really). Unless Ha-Shem tells you to do so, theft and murder are not allowed, even for goyim.
akupermaParticipantsimcha613: If Ha-Shem was fanatic about pronounciation, then Humash would have included a guide to pronounciation. From the fact that it didn’t, we can conclude that there is nothing wrong with diverse accents (and if you are fanatic about being a litvak, or a galicianer/southeast or a teimani, or whatever – you lose — HaShem approves of all Yidden no matter how they prounce ?).
Based on Shemos, the number of Jews in Egypt was about the same as the number of people in Brooklyn – and Brooklyn has at least a dozen major accents. Even among frum Jews, they don’t all speak English the same.
The people who get all snotty about accents are fools of bigots. Torah is NOT about whether you can distinguish between the absense of the dagesh is ? or ?, not to mention all the other issues.
And assuming the whole of the oral tradition was transmitted to Moshe on Sinai, that suggests something other than what we call “speech” (perhaps something like telepathy, since I doubt anyone could say and understand so much in the time allowed – remember you are talking about the total oral tradition including what we’ve forgotten over the millenia). Meaning, the download from Ha-Shem to Moshe probably didn’t involve the IPA and mispacing a dagest here and there.
akupermaParticipantWhat is the correct pronounciation of “come” or “light”? You do know the “e” at the end of “come” is pronounced (just ask Chaucer – it’s written for a reason). You do know that “gh” is pronounced similar to the “ch” (the ? ) in Chanukah.
Languages evolve. Even the accepted international standard for English, how the Queen speaks, evolves (as has her accent if one compares her speech in the 1930s and 1940s to how she speaks in public today). The correct prounciation of American English was largely determined at Appomattox in 1865 – Ohio rather than Boston or Richmond – though most of the English speaking world considers American English to be in error.
If you are Ashkenazi, the correct pronounciation of ? is like an English “s”. If you are Israeli sefardi, it is probably like a “t”, and while it was probably a “th” in ancient times, only a handful of Jews (e.g. Temanim) pronounce it that way.
But if you still pronounce “come” and “kom-eh” and “knights” as “k-nicht” (“ch” as a gutteral), feel free to try to speak Hebrew that way some anthropological linguisists think it might have been pronounced in the past. However living languages change over time, and Hebrew has always been a living language (no matter what the secular fanatics claim).
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