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Gadol > For less than $30,000/year
Others called you on too many lawyers, but I’d like to question this fantastic number. How did we get there? For even a family of 3-4 kids, that is $100K a year – post-tax. So, for many people this means two parents working hard full time just to stay even and spend 3x time of college for 12 years of school while still facing semi-observant classmates and other problems. I know kids are priceless, but l’maaseh this means stressed unhappy families teaching kids the same.
ujm > a preferable situation if we would indeed not learn English even at the HS level
I’d love to see a pasuk that proves this. Also, who were those apikoiresim who served in Sanhedrin and knew 70 languages. Also. when Rabban Gamliel had same – 1000 – people studying Greek, as studying Torah. And how you call “non ideal” situation where we have tens of thousands boys and girls learning Torah, when 200 years ago, the only Yeshiva, Volozhin, had 400 students. (I am putting aside social issues related to assimilation, just purely focusing on learning per se).
ujm, who are those evil Ballei Batim who pay for the school but have chutzpah to insist on secular studies? At this point, they are not recent arrivals from secular Poland, but most likely graduates of the same yeshivos. Somehow, the yeshivos did not manage to skip Kiddushin so they learned that they need to teach their kids professions. The question is, if your picture is correct, and schools provide general studies reluctantly – how good they are at that, or is it really waste of time to calm down the parents? I suggest test kids where they stand in their general studies and then maybe send them somewhere else to learn those in the afternoon if ujm’s theory is right.
> Pythagorean Theorem in Kilaim 5,5 in the name of Chachmei Hamidos.
a good call not quoting in the name of Reb Pythagoras – there is no proof that he actually is the author of the theorem.
TS Baum,
you don’t need to be something just because someone else is. My personal opinion is that it is preferable to do something that you find meaningful, enjoyable, and fits your skills. For many people, a job is a way to earn parnosa, and then, after work, his “real life” starts – family, friends, learning, mitzvos, whatever.This is OK if you have to, but you are throwing away 8 or more hours a day. It becomes a real nisayon then – do you need to work so many hours just to earn money for, say, vacations, schools, house, clothes. You literally paying with your life for any spending. You can still console yourself that you take care of negative commandments – not stealing, yuhud, kahsrus, etc but not much positive.
At the same time, if you do something meaningful – being a teacher, a doctor, etc, then you are involved in mitzvos and helping people all day round. You can really enjoy that vacation (or choose to stay at work). These choices can be within a profession – you can write software for medical applications or for entertainment companies.
And enjoying and matching skills will ensure that you are successful at your job.
BY,
you first need to consider whether it is worth getting away from your parents. If you hopefully have good environment at home and your parent are supportive of your goals, you will achieve more while staying there. I heard it both from Mark Twain (“When I came back home from college, I saw how much smarter my father became!) to an O- Rabbi who spent years dealing with O- students at an OOT Hillel and penned an article calling parents to send kids to college close to home (undermining his own job). Kal vehomer for high school.So, then, find a high school in your area that is solid religiously and makes some moves towards college prep. Then, you or your parents should talk to them and see how to enhance it, or let you learn on your own for some classes. Maybe take some enhanced classes somewhere else, possibly in college.
jackk, I admit that we are losing voters with Covid. Mabe that’s why Biden is so strategic in waiting when to send out tests and masks?!
I am not sure though that your numbers add up, unless you bring some proofs:
Most unvaxed R-s are in remote areas, most unvaxed D-s are in dense cities. It may be that most of them never voted in their life. “All talk and no cattle”.On a more cheerful note, Gallup averaged their surveys over whole 2021 and concluded that country went from being +9 D to -5 R during the year. almost 10 out of those 14, though, were gained around and after election to J6. so total, it seems that R-s stand 4% higher than before 2020 elections.
Chicago has U of Chicago, Northwestern, nearby: Urbana, Indiana U/Purdue and Bloomington. Depends on the course: U Chicago is place of world-known economists, Purdue – engineering, Bloomington – business.
jackk > Palestinians knew that Trump wasn’t a fair third-party so they completely ignored any overtures for peace that he proffered. For 4 years , peace in the ME was not on the table.
You are just ignoring everything Trump actually achieved in ME, just because he did not achieve it thru the way preferred by you (and tried by others with no success), from ISIS to Abrahamic accords to Yerushalaim to pressure on Iran
> Putin is still in Crimea and is poised to go into Ukraine. Trump did zilch with him.
Trump started giving actual weapons to Ukraine and stopped further losses. Ukraine’s democracy continued to become stronger, NATO troops now “rotate” to Baltics. He send envoys to Europe to fight Nordstream 2 and also blocking Chinese participation in telecoms irritating Europeans.
>> President’s shouldn’t react to the media . They should be level-headed and listen to their advisers and decide on the best course of action.
R- presidents can’t rely on media to reach the people, unless they already chose, as you said, to listen to Fox. Trump was able to reach a lot of voters outside of traditional R-s, such as Hispanics, both by his policies and messaging.
jackk > Can you bring a single proof to these 2 points
Most thoughtful republicans and a number of moderate D-s, when interviewed at length, agree with most of Trump’s policy positions and achievements. Another experiment that you can make yourself to avoid bias: look at what was said about Trump’s ideas at the beginning: vaccine, pressure against Nordstream2, Israel-Arab talks, economic policies, stay in Mexico, tariffs on China, Covid stimulus … all were laughed at. Then, after a success, “everyone would do that”. Look how many are still in place or repeated by Biden. Yes, he did not buy Greenland yet, and HCQ did not work out for everyone, but the list of successes is impressive.
BY, you need to define what is a “good” university that you will want to attend and plan accordingly. Gadol seems to think that this got to be an Ivy. On many other places, you can get solid education as long as you are taking a harder version of each class in a non-fancy school.
Are you are looking for a career path where you are super-employed full time at a law firm or a trader? Then, you probably need to go to an Ivy. Are you planning to learn a trade, like software developer or a nurse, or an engineer? Then, you can do well with a state school or an online school if you don’t want to dorm in a non-observant place. Also, take into account our family finances. If your parents work and are paid well, they better be prepared to pay a lot for luxury colleges like Ivy or Jewish ones, it would be more rational to go to a less fancy college. If your family is not well off and you get great grades, you can get a scholarship and plan to get to MIT or Columbia.
smerel > ENDLESS investigations and allegations
I am very surprised, if not in owe, that so far none of them showed any results. Given type of businesses Trump is involved, you would think you can find enough underpaid contractors, illegal gardeners, shady tax loopholes. Remember some women nominees who turned out not to pay taxes for babysitters. So far, current worst is that T paid tzedokah to Jewish schools that were actually an indirect payment to his accountant, so the accountant had to pay taxes.
Would you eat “Esav-K” (looks like a K with hairy hands)? It was good enough for Yitzhak-avinu.
amom > Why would anyone want to go to Montreal now- they have strict covid rules.
Maybe that could be a reason? Someone here vacations in your place annually to visit family and both last times came back coughing.
akuperma > without going away on vacations.
Doctors told Netziv to take a vacation on Lithuanian lakes. He sneaked away back in a week as he felt miserable. On the other hand, there were towns in Lita where many Rabonim, including R Chaim Ozer Grozdinski, would go during summer. He once took one of his students to the forest and showed him simanim which berries, grasses and mushrooms are edible. The student was not sure why, but later was able to survive during WW2 in the forest due to this.
jackk > Trump was and will be the only president who responded daily to very single criticism of him.
jackk, first I hope you will agree with the premise that R- presidents are in a much worse position. It was way worse before talk radios and cable TV and access to multiple papers online. Even now, most media is left-wing.
So, Trump responding on Twitter directly is a revolutionary way to respond directly without being misquoted and “put into context”. Obama did not need that. Papers created a favorable environment for him.
MO schools obviously have their own drawbacks: hashkafa (although, not all are left-wing) but most important – kid environment. Frankly also for those who pay close to full tuition, the prices are ridiculous because they are trying to provide all kind of options and entertainment. You are better of hiring a full-time PhD tutor for the tuition for 2-3 kids. Probably two part-timers, one for math, one for English
Practically speaking, I think, it is possible to have quality general studies in a yeshivishe school. Your biggest challenge would be that many families are not interested, and so do principals. Try finding a couple of other families interested in higher quality studies, talk school into letting them do this extra program, or go home for those hours. Use online curriculum and old-fashioned books.
Also there are several yeshivos and BYs that even successfully integrated online public schools into their day. I think, a yeshiva in LA sends kids to a separate floor where they have computers for general studies, and then they come back to a normal yeshiva floor. See Avi Chai foundation site – they sponsored several schools on doing this “blended” approach and have reports with all details.
I don’t think there is one answer for everyone.
First, there is an issue of teaching an honest trade (Kiddushin 30) as Avira is mentioning. Some may want to become plumbers and electricians and may not require a lot of time in high school. Other professions require more. As one Rav taught me – everyone needs to grow up a substitute in this world – a Rav needs to grow a Rav, a plumber – a plumber, a scientist – a scientist, as the world needs all.
Second, there is an issue of appreciating science. Avira is against, but R Twersky is for learning, as an example, physiology to appreciate wonders of the world that Hashem created. Some tietch Borchi Nafshi that it includes appreciation of wonders/gadlus and vastness/rabot of Hashem’s creation. Maybe initial reluctance comes because initial effect of learning science (and as was presented by haskala) is decrease of wonders – hey, we can explain rainbow, seasons, aurora, viruses, etc. At the same time, more mature understanding of science leads first to more appreciation of vastness of Hashem’s creations – in the air, under the sea, on other plants, and at the next level of wonders – how atmosphere and earth orbit, and even gravity constant are such that makes the world and our lives possible.
ujm, predictable nitpicking! I should have said “up to M”, but did not want to ruin the quote
coffee, my forecast: the lefties get excited about Bibi’s fall, right gets majority based on anti-Bibi voters, Likud fires prosecutors, finds errors and Russian disinformation in case 1000, cancels Bibi’s plea deal, Bibi becomes prime minister for life.
we missed an obvious connection between rumors and hashgaha:
R Ralbag (senior?) is quoted somewhere regarding kashrus mossdos mutual attitudes: “I think it’s sometimes more important what comes out of someone’s mouth than what goes into it.”ujm, looks like 2004, not yet “decades” yet
conspiracy theory: maybe Biden is actually governing to the center by trying all crazy lefty ideas one after another and demonstrating that none can pass the Senate. His inaptitude serves as a good excuse, and Manchin is on the game, promised a VP slot on the losing 2024 run with a potential to run in 2028. Trump is also on it, promising amnesty to Hunter.
jackk, most of what you are writing is pure propaganda and you know it: spending other people’s money is easy, the question is always – what was the alternative. And even those that you mention are mostly in the future or past – nothing new on vaccines; covid tests during next 6 months when crisis was last month; roads will be repaired in the future.
what is worth noting is your view of economy – by unemployment rate. Please take a minute to study “labor participation rate” that is a better measure that includes people who stopped (or started) looking for work. For a big picture:
Carter 2% up 62 to 64% (1966 to 1989 grows at almost constant rate)
Reagan – 3% up from 64% to 67%
Bush I – 1% down
Clinton 1% up
Bush II 1% down
Obama 3.5% down (decline 2008-14 then constant) – 63% – 1% lower than at start of Reagan
Trump 0.5% up, 3% lost to Covid, 1.3% recovered, for a total -1.2% down
Biden so far 0.4% up (1.5% below pre-covid)so, on this measure Biden’s continue recovery similar to how it was going at the end of Trump term, not bad, not exceptional either. Overall trend after Reagan is down, with Clinton a little up, and Obama most down.
Syag, follow the grammar: and, OMG, xxxxx
OMG is for the latter part, not for the previous ones. I am saying that I see a mix of issues here, some sound concerning (before OMG) and others sounds suspicious (after). I see reasonably reputable sources listing specific halachik issues that should stop some people, and then I see a sea of innuendo that is hard to evaluate. For example, I understand that TriK took over HNs. HNs were totally unreliable before, and he seemingly made it more so. Seems like a good thing in general and yashar koach on taking on such a risky (reputationally and halachically) venture (unless you hold that eating unhealthy food is not a mitzva :), but would reputation of HN add to the doubters who prefer play it safe? I don’t know enough of kashrus business to understand all of this. Maybe someone from a meatpacking city can enlighten me 🙂
Montreal. Closest place where they speak and serve French this side of Mississippi.
ujm, this is a good example. In addition to some specific leniencies and non-glatt, there seems to be other issues involved: HN reputation from before Tri-K, overall reputation for leniencies, sometimes lack of transparency, and, OMG, seemingly lack of cooperation and piety towards other authorities… I can not determine exact weights of each part of this semi-kosher mixture, but it seems that all are present to some degree.
Maybe one way to be yashar about your preferences is statistical: admit that any kashrus supervision has a reasonable chance of being non-kosher and then view some agencies more likely to provide a kosher product due to more supervision and chumros providing geder around other issues. In theory, this would mean that mashgiach tmidi with lower standards would be more acceptable that OOT Super-chareidi one, Not sure if such situation exists in practice.
GH > Moishiach will come before HC gets nominated again
Finally, Gadol made a testable prediction and might know his ability to be a navi in less than 2 years. Frankly, if we trust your naviyut, and you’ll call to nominate her to hasten the geula, many people will hesitate. Maybe she is from shevet of Gog.
smerel > I know I’m in the minority
You are one of 20%, maybe even less – 40% are always D-, 40% always R-. Your 20% believed Biden’s positioning and now abandoned him in droves. Currently, you are the majority within that 20%. I would not say he deceived that he is moderate/consensus builder/competent. First, he believes it himself, 2nd, his main inclination seems to be moderate in many cases. There were some flattering articles before elections quoting Israelis saying that he was an only one on Obama’s team who did not see Israel as an aggressor, bur remembered Yom Kippur war, etc and understood Israeli challenges. It might have been propaganda, but it ringed true. I am not sure why he is choosing to behave differently. Partly, it is advisors that control him and his message (during some recent Manchin’s weekend surprises, insider talk about how “white house got angry, called him”, “he notified white house only 30 minutes before”, some confusion, etc, all implicit that these were staffers, not President, involved. Was he was fishing, sleeping, watching Fox? Maybe J6 commission can find out. But maybe also power went to his head, he was always slighted – from nuns to mediocre law student at a mediocre law school to being a barely tolerated VP for 8 years and ignored in 2016. So, he wants to be a transformative president and people around him flatter him?
So, it sounds like Trump started losing antivax vote, so Gadol you need to come onboard. Otherwise, if there is movement in the center towards him, Trump will have to pivot back towards to fruitcakes.
RW, re: connection on Trump and vaccine. How did I feel you are going to mention vaccines there? It seems that his pro-vaccine position (obvious for two years) somehow jarred you.
What is not clear why you are making such a big deal on “mandates” v. vaccines. You are happy to discuss this mandate issue that is something that government does, while there is a simple thing that each of people could do to protect themselves and others, and everyone from R Kanevsky to, l’havdil, AAQ, to Trump, to hospital statistics are telling you the same thing and you are still worrying about a government policy. Fix yourself first before pointing at others.
Gadol, sounds Hillary is the great alternative. Can D- run Manchin or Liberman or Romney?
> wake up, Jews, he only liked us because
this is a great psychological way to avoid gratitude. You can always explain why someone did something good to you because of some ulterior motive.
jackk > you are smart enough to know that every politician gets abused and laughed it.
Maybe you do not appreciate to what degree many Republicans feel alienated. Everything a R- does is wrong l’hathila. Everything a D- does is defensible. You’ve got to go Fox and further down some rabbit holes to hear something different. There are now a couple of articles describing how Biden is always late for meeting and have pre-meeting meetings where he gets bogged down by often irrelevant details, and as his (anonymous) advisors “warmy” say – he is like that for 60+ years, he is not going to change. None of even such trivial details were in the mainstream media before election.
Covid numbers were on front page during Trump, and now in small print. Biden’s statements that someone with 200K deaths does not deserve being a President not mentioned. A R- President with such track record would have his popularity in teens. At the end, this makes R- Presidents more successful. Criticism makes them stronger and it works even before action. When Trump decided to abruptly pull out of Afghanistan in Dec 2020, he was told that was wrong, and he reversed himself. if needed, info would be leaked to papers, etc. Bidens sleepwalks into bad decisions without any pushback. Imagine Trump not being prepared for predicted end of year virus surge and start promising tests in March for crisis in December. Works for Biden, sort of, but not for the country. One more reason to vote R if you care more than for satisfaction of winning elections.
RW,
maybe yo are right and vaccine and, kal bvehomer booster, affected him! His RNA is now different, his DNA is different ….Most likely, he had covid side effects in October leading to “brain fog” that might have stopped him from taking advantage of Biden’s stare during debates – once when he was under covid and could not stop talking. It is also known that covid stays in various body parts, even in brain, way after a person is sick (shown by pathology). He most likely was still under brain fog even on J6 … Now when he took boosters and spends healthy time on the golf course, his brain fog cured and he realized that he needs to speak out and save lives and health of his supporters, as he need their vote in 2 years! So, hopefully you take his example, take the vaccine and continue protesting mandates. Gezunte heig.
YS > weren’t you 100% in support of Trump during his presidency?
l’havdil, this is like people who follow daas Torah when convenient, and if not – going shopping for another one. It is an interesting moment indeed – whether some of the holdouts will listen to Trump or not. If we had menchen as politicians, we could have Biden, Trump, Sanders, Romney making commercials for vaccines all together a year ago.
First time ever, I am actually rolling on the floor laughing. When I saw first line “trump looks different”, I wanted to joke “is this because he got the booster?”. Then, in the 3rd paragraph you actually say that!
How did you miss the whole 2020 where Trump focused on vaccine development, spent billions on it, appointed a general to organize distribution even while results were not available, the whole country was waiting for Phase 3 results, and Trump hoped to get them before elections (if you want to look for a conspiracy look into how results were reported after elections upon some FDA changing rules).
eddiee > was pilloried by his community, even though it was common knowledge that nothing happened
This is as not normal as the opposite situation where abuse is common knowledge and is ignored. Are you sure that this is actual fact that nothing happened and everyone knows or just your wishful thinking?
you are right, moose take 700 lives per year, and they only live in the north.
Boruch > Most people who have done nothing wrong wouldn’t even have a fleeting thought of being wrongly accused
There are people who get into yichud problems and think about it. so they have doors with windows or other arrangements.
jackk, Republicans ran Romney – an opposite of Trump in many ways: decent family man, self-made millionaire, great businessman, his father also a decent politician and businessman. He ran a high-road campaign. All opposite to Trump. He ran against a President who performed better that Biden but not by much. He was abused and laughed at by everyone from newspapers to just-deceased Senate leader. When he answered that Russia is our greatest enemy, he was shown to be a clown (that was 2 years before Russian annexed Crimea). So Republicans rightly concluded that running such candidates is honorable but hopeless. At the end, Trump implemented a lot of things that Romney would have done, many possibly in a better way. And pray for Manchin not to break filibuster, as you don’t want to see what will angry Republicans pass in 2024. I don’t want to see that either. Risk of further polarization is very high, we should stop going there.
Yes, I meant emed tests, but it seems that Israeli rules require professional sampler. Check with pharmacies if they do it in there. Even if they do, everyone seems to be out of tests right now. Hopefully will be better in a couple of weeks.
Also, check maybe some companies run such services in the airport?
RebE, “not recommended” works if the other party trusts you and you have very similar minhagim and attitudes; or at least you know well where the other party stands, and the pther parties knows that you know.
We should stop these senseless elections where two guys are competing based on who will promise more. Sometimes, one of them has experience, but another does not. Instead, we should have try outs during last two months of the previous president (nobody is paying attention to him anymore, anyway). Each of the candidates runs the country for a month (with the current president supervising), and then we have some basis to vote.
I don’t believe Biden will get 40% of the vote right now. He will not even vote for himself, given that he said that someone responsible for 200,000 death can not be a President.
Drivers are a much higher threat to drivers than deer. 200 people are killed in US annually by deer collisions and 40,000 from other traffic accidents.
Maybe Hashem is sending deer to remind people to drive slower?
huju, are you trying to threaten Trump into not running? Not going to work. Last time, Hillary got nomination by early work locking down all donors, so others had nowhere to go. She also possibly had an agreement w/ Obama, who was more than happy to derail Brandon of whom he had lower opinion than others as he spent 8 years with him. Now, Obama might go back into Hillary camp, but the donors might not want to throw their money again.
If Dems run a progressive candidate against Trump, then there will be space in between for a third-party moderate candidate. Romney/Manchin.
eddiee > lets put some perspective on those that focus on the Loshon Hora aspect.
Let’s learn from history. Similar events were uncovered in other culture: religions, businesses, movie studios. It seems that in most cases, problems were not “one off”, it involved multiple people and organizations that did not fulfil their duty over long period of time. Number of cases where multiple accusers appeared out of nowhere and attacked an innocent person seems to be negligible. I am not pre-judging or accusing anyone, but probabilities here say that we need to first worry about possible abuse and support of abusers rather than false accusations. I would also think that it is possible to create a one-off accusation with two people and no witnesses, and later allegedly told others. But it would be hard to create a pattern of similar accusations and not be caught in a lie with all modern forensic tools.
Charile, So, this served a great purpose, hopefully convincing some people that this particular election event had integrity. I think it will be healthy if there will be multiple probes that will make people more confident. Probably not all, but at least some.
As to methodology, I don’t know details, but it makes sense from your description. you apply approximate automated matching process that identifies cases of potential errors. Then, they presumably report it to lawmakers who have an ability to go verify those errors. As you are saying here, this establishes an upper bound on the error.
Still, if you think that this will reduce enthusiasm of Trump supporters, I think you are wrong. Overall feeling of “injustice” is based on the history of multiple unfounded attacks on Trump over his whole term, and on “legitimate” changes to the voting process that made it easier for “low affinity” voters to drop their ballot in the mail. Some people are channeling their frustration into out-there theories but these theories re not the root cause of the voter frustration.