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Marxist, my claim stems from the fact that his later criticism of capitalism is a carbon copy of his criticism of Jewish business influence on the world. Your further quotes from someone who actually was in charge of killing people shows that you see this a purely theoretical debate of ideas. Maybe your family came to US on Mayflower and nobody was ever touched by the Marxist murderers in Europe.
Marxist,
my interpretations are from the time I read it (thanks, professor who referred me to the volume so that I was able to see this paper!) and I shared them with many budding marxists. Sad that they only reached you now. I provided enough of the argument that you can open the paper and see if my interpretation fits. Maybe we can publish in some Pravda International – polemic about polemic w/ Bauer. Somehow, I even remember the name of the reverend, even as I do not remember the mishnah I learnt yesterday …Practical lesson: read early work of famous people to see what they really think – before they polished their oratory skills. I heard a similar advice from a Rav – listen to what children say as parents already say what is accepted in polite society, not what they really think.
Avira, I presumed that the most jarring moment is transition from chol to shabbos. Maybe the person does not know how to detach himself or afraid to focus on himself (especially, these days when people can use tech to always be “busy”).
But if someone has panic attack later on shabbos, I would examine what is in the cholent and whether it is heated sufficiently.
RBZS, a sad story. This is a case of a bias: halochos shabbos are pretty straight-forward, while internal state of a person is an unknown thing.
Not sure how to fight this bias – ask a Rav, imagine that this person is your close relative, show to him that you really care (say, walk there on shabbos – not possible in your case).
Ben T, you won’t convince people with obscure references. You have higher chance if people see how you behave and learn according to your Rebbe’s teaching. Then, all Yiddishe mamas in the street will be pointing to their children – do you want to be an Erliche Yid and a Talmid Chacham like that chosid? Then, everyone will eventually become a follower of your Rebbe and you can vote for a Moschiach of your choice. Hatzlaha. Start with helping the old lady cross the street and open a sefer.
Avira > it’s a theory from a prominent frum historian and talmid chacham,
I am not sure who your source is, but this is described in at least a medieval Jewish source of unknown (at least to me) origin. It is pretty hilarious – describing every action of paul and peter as a step in separating the new religion from us.
Is there a metric that tracks how many board members re solid professionals v. politicians and social warriors? is it predictive of anything?
From the reporting, it seems that the failure was very simple – putting 75% of their money in long-term bonds. Who said bonds are boring…apparently, regulations (Basel 3?) do not require accounting for sovereign bonds until they are sold. So, this is like you got a $1 mln house in downtown Detroit and continue listing it as an asset even as squatters moved in. Curiously, their reporting showed 75% of holdings were “held to maturity”, so it seems any reasonable professional would have been able to flag the problem. At the end, a private entity – Moody – was first to report the problem, not the government. Please correct my description, I am not a money professional.
some thoughts on this:
Who was responsible for this maturity regulations?
Is it normal for congressmen who created regulations to then become lobbyists to try to weaken the same regulations, or advise how to go around them? This is a huge maris ayn and perverse incentive
Risk management was apparently “not a priority”.
Main lesson is that any romantic long-horizon goal is danger to current responsibilities. Communists & Nazis could kill millions i the name of happy future; Moschichists do not need to daven on time as they hasten the geula, etc. We need to be ehrliche yidden first before saving the world/learning Torah kuloh, etc.
As we discussed here earlier, Rav Moshe did not suggest college for general public because it was possible to have a median American lifestyle with a job without it. He clearly allowed some students to be on college track, less the parents take the kids out of yeshiva, as ujm mentions. Maybe other motivations also – otherwise, why his own daughter went to college. As median American job now does require a college degree (possibly way inferior and less demanding in study but more in money than during R Moshe’s times), what would R Moshe pasken now? Also, what was R Moshe’s (and R Aharon’s) position on using non-Jewish charity – welfare/disability/single-parent benefits/etc, esp when it is public knowledge?
The best segula is to have chovos halevovos shiur immediately after the end of the work day 6 days a week.
Appropriately, the ultimate PI day was shabbos (if you were in one of the country that joined Gregorian calendar 10 years before in 1582).
coffee > It is in regards to a day camp in town
Blushing. It did not even occur to me that those jobs my kids were doing might not have been legal. Thus, I did not even check! I’ll go consult a lawyer and report myself to authorities.
There was always a difference between how rich and poor were treated, but recent generations acquired unprecedented knowledge that allows channeling resources into improving human condition, including health.
Maybe we did not fully absorbed this into our world view. If we do value human life, maybe it is worth spending even more than we spend now in supporting medical treatments and public health instead of buying faster cars, larger homes, and fancy vacations. So, maybe health spending should be 50-70% of the GDP instead of mere 15%?
SVB seems to be involved in support of partisan projects to the degree that other banks are not interested in picking up the loans. That means, the bailout might include a hidden subsidy to the partisan favorite causes.
Finally, most people here agreed on something. Interesting to see how alternative reality can be perceived based on some information that the posters had and that is probably impossible to either verify or disproof. I presume many other nations, including anti-semites, get their information in a similar way.
Seems like this person indeed needs love and support and, possibly, treatment for his condition.
That said, starting shabbos early is a practical solution – get the panic trip out of the way before shabbos, while someone else can drive the person to the hospital and back.
pls remember for an every confused moschihist, there is another one who is walking around for the lost Jews based on the teachings and organizations formed by the same Rebbe. Most of other observant Jews live comfortable lives in their shuls disregarding maybe 4 mln of Yidden who are in the process of being totally lost, maybe outsourcing the effort to “kiruv” organizations. _If_ the L Rebbe is on the short list for M, then it would be for this effort, not for the pilpul of differences between Paul and Peter.
Emancipation went hand-in-hand with assimilation. See Napoleon’s questions to the “Sanhedrin” he forced to assemble – do you consider Frenchmen your brothers? Would you marry them?
On the other hand, we can’t blame solely “emancipators” for the damage to the community. German reformers felt a need to bring modern education, medicine, jobs to their Eastern brothers…If our communities were able – at the time – to absorb the new knowledge without compromising Yiddishkeit, then – maybe – the Yidden would be less prone to assimilate. This is a simplistic statement, of course, given the novelty of the situation and oppressive regimes we lived under, but still worth pondering.
Marxist > I don’t deny the anti-Semitic aspect to some of Marx’s thought.
TheFakeMaven answered already. I just would like to add that this _early_ work shows where his hate of capitalism came – from hating Jewish influence on the world in the form of our business activities, and his interest in “emancipation” included the desire to stop us being successful business people. I may not convince you, but for others – interesting to see that such a plague on the world started as a narrow hate of Jewish practices and then expanded to all other businesses.
Avram,
agree with your correction on the 1990s. According to the paper, cell phones, before smart phones, fit the pattern, so just ability to communicate, rather than play games, was the main factor. They do seem to mention that 2000s correlation explain only part of the pattern, leaving place for others.CEO payments are not _the_ problem. US companies are large, it is a bog company. Most companies in fully private businesses without government payments choose to pay CEO high salaries so that there is a person in charge who spends 24/7 trying to make the company successful.
It is an empirical question which system is better. As mentioned, do we think that public schools are run better than private/charter/etc? Ask people on medicaid and medicare – are these systems better than private insurances (other than possible subsidies).
jackk > That is seriously misguided and evil.
pleazse, re-read your post. It consists of statements without any arguments. You could do better (by adding arguments or deleting unsupported statements).
a double miracle, agree with a marxist and a krugman. Possibly the same person.
Marxist > but he is arguing for the emancipation of Jews not against it.
It was some decades I opened a Marx sefer, but if I remember correctly, he argues with someone (Rev Bauer?) and he turns the question around and suggest emancipating the world from the Jewish capitalism. The reason I remember this kuntros better than what I had for breakfast yesterday – because it dawned on me tha the origin of this plague is hate of Jews.
> there is a direct correlation between effort and success.
It says in Gemora Megila that this is only true in Torah learning. In parnosa, one needs both an effort and some mazal.
I saw a description of a seemingly legit charity in EY that teaches charedim carpentry skills. Would this derech be useful for those who are not interested in neither gemora nor algebra? Or would this be seen an inferior ways of supporting oneself?
Interesting pilpul, I wish I could find time & energy to go through that.
In my humble opinion, if you need pages and pages to show how your rebbe differs from a world-famous faker, you already lost your readers and doing disservice to your rebbe.Amil, I understand your emotional response. Still, if someone wants to open a factory with child labor in a remote Bangladeshi village and save those kids from starvation, would you object on principle? I hope not and your humanity is above simple labels.
Coffee, would it be the same for a day camp in town? My kids worked there before 14, and (I think) it was legal in my state.
So, the cult personae are not responsible for the followers?
Pirkei Avos mentions differences between students of Avraham and Bilaam, from which you learn that you can see whether the teacher was kosher by the students. And Marx was no tzadik to begin with. He, apparently, came to his hate of business owners via hate of Jews, whom he considered guilty of propagating business values. He argued with some reverend suggesting that instead of emancipating Jews, we should emancipate world from the Jews.
N0 > The Lakewood model is not based on Israel.
I am following on YS suggestion. My knowledge of Lakewood is indeed superficial, based on occasional visits there and talking/observing visitors and refugees from there. When I mentioned my “Lakewood Teacher”, he travelled to where I was, not other way around and it was some time ago.
Still, I wonder whether YS has a point here. It seems to be a difference from early small Lakewood where top students did not have general classes with the recent growth of community, with now masses of people ignoring general curriculum. Are all students now at the level of the 1960s when R Malkiel was learning? maybe they are, tell me.
> Mrs. Seminary girl
not to detract from a good question, but her name is really Ms. Oxymoron.
Rif, please start with Sanhedrin 81 and Rambam Hilchos Rotzeach 4:8.
Please let us know what you learn from there.From simple reading, it looks like the kippah is, yes, for lifelong sentence, but the conditions are such that we are not expecting him to collect social security. Not clear how often this was used, given scant references.
> many of my rebbeim were talmidim of his, and none had a favorable view of
you can’t fully rely on this. It is not the first time when Great Rabbis respected each other more than their students interpret. We have just a handful of machlokes between Shammai and Hillel, and way more between beis Shammai and beis Hillel… As you interpret examples of politeness and closeness between Gedolim as forced, you can also explain sociology that n0 described – each group end up creating educational environment where they focus on their derech and paint the rest in negative light as the simplest way to keep students in line. I feel pretty unbiased saying this: I think, over time, I equally confronted chabad/misnagdim/moderni with what they mischaracterize about the others.
I am all for confiscation and closing wifi as a last resport, but not as a starting point. I agree with n0 that there are ways. I found them when I did not hear my teens complaining about access limits for a couple of days – which meant that they found – again – a way to go around the filters. If you are in this adversarial situation already, I would suggest first monitor wifi traffic to understand both the problematic things happening and the tools your teen is using before starting closing them. Otherwise, if you don’t see the whole picture and will be always behind. At the end, establishing a healthy routine in using internet and thinking in general works way better. Many teens can brush their teeth regularly, so they can use computers/phones responsibly also.
CTL,
could this simply be simply a drift of the titles? When we say “Rabbi” Akiva, this is not necessarily same semicha as your local Rabbi, right? Same, the word “yeshiva” changed with times when everyone in the community goes there. On one hand, this obviously raises general level of the community, on the other – level of the average “yeshiva” now caters to IQ 80 to 120, not the 120-160 as the early ones perhaps did. You can see the same with colleges, that drifted from a philosophical exercise to a remedial high school with some skill training and diversity mixed in, while at the same time raising general knowledge level of the population.internet is a bunch of wires. there is nothing wrong with communicating with friends, learning about a world, and looking up interesting information. Teens should not do inappropriate things online, same way as they should not do them offline. Some teens may be unreliable and should not have access.
At the same time, some may be unreliable in what they do offline. If you worry about what a teen sees in the computer, you should also worry about what he hears from his friends – and even teachers – offline.
n0, you don’t think that these two people contributed to the communist and nazi plagues?
Avram,
what I understand in this paper that it is not just a notion of correlation by year – but correlation by county, correlating to the number of cell towers there. They also looked at a couple of competing factors and found them lacking. This seems like a reasonable correlation, not yet causation, but enough to take it seriously. I agree that the drug relationship does not seem to have data behind it.
Maybe, it is so clear to them that murders relate to drugs – something that is not obvious for, B’H, outsiders like you and me.I understand that they are focusing on murders and not drug-related arrests, because the latter number is less reliable and more prone to be correlated to some hidden factors (police presence, politics). This makes sense to me.
I personally would suggest a more general explanation – teens are sitting in front of the screen (possibly doing computer crimes or aveiros) rather than with other human beings. We know recommendation to make a potential murderer a shochet. Not sure, whether a conversion of a potential drug dealer into a cyber-criminal is a good deal, maybe it is.
Amil,
just consider what are/were alternatives for these children. If they were deprived of something to become laborers is one thing, but if they live in some remote Indian/Chinese/Burmese villages and their alternative is starvation, then maybe child labor is a step to a better future?Ray, maybe Baruch is something all religious people can relate to? See Bereshis – ” I will bless those who bless you”, at tyhe same time Hussain is a specific reference to a Muslim figure? especially, with a recent notorious dictator using that name.
Do we blame Ben Gurion for this – both positive and negative effets? He allowed special status for the few (remaining, outdated in his voew) yeshivos and this lead to proliferation of Torah and “Torah only” system in EY and, as mentioned above, then transitioned over to US?
My understanding that a mitzva for bnei Noach to have a system of justice is broad – they can have juries or kings or communist troikas – as long as the system performs justice. And this will depend on the times and population. Given the (relative) success of modern Democratic systems (comparing with non-modern and non-Democratic), we should support them and improve, where possible, just making sure we do not destroy it with the improvements.
There is an idea of kipa/jail for the cases where beis din is sure of the offense but does not have required eidus. I don’t know how prevalent this was. Also, don’t know what it continued into the times when death penalty was abolished. There are also exceptional cases – punishing mosrim/informaers – that endangered whole kahal. One process was for the kahal to appoint one shaliach who then deals with the methods and participants of the execution and hiding the body to isolate the kahal from government retaliation (not always successfully).
Maybe cheaper matzah:
– during chol hamoed
– in Ukraine, where they struggle to ship out grain. Possibly, the most cost-effective way is to bake matzos and then, at the quoted prices, fly it out on F-16.Sartre had a Jewish/Egyptian assistant, interacted w/ R Steinsaltz and probably other Jews also
I am glad you asked still in Adar!
why do you need labels on seeds for the gerbils? Gerbils might choke on the labels.are you afraid that some goyim or sephardim will substitute kitniyos for pumpkins to save money or test your faith – similar to chalav akum? we do have a long tradition of chalav akum, but do not have such tradition regarding pumpkin akum, at least I don’t.
n0, thanks for the questions. My original claim was fairly limited to what is written in responsa. The fact that there are less questions about some subject does not change the halakha, it just reduces amount of new material on the subject and makes that area of halakha less popular and less relevant to the changing times. If you are forced to decide whether it is ok to hide your income from IRS using medieval sources only, it will be a difficult and error-prone process.
but to your larger, interesting, point. I found an interesting paper
THE DEMOCRATIC EVOLUTION OF HALAKHAH:
A Political Science Perspective by David Raab from Touro College
here are some quotes – but read the original, it has a lot of thoughts and sources,
you asked about R Soloveichik
.. dispute over whether there is a positive commandment to appoint a king. R. Joseph B. Soloveitchik said in the name of his father that even if there is such a commandment, the commandment is dependent on the vox populi. The people must make its voice heard, as was the case in the time of Samuel, and only when a demand emanates from the people does the commandment apply
…
The individual—particularly if not affiliated with a particular
community, but even if so—may designate any decisor of his choosing.
He is required to select a rabbi with whom he can “meaningfully
identify” with a “principled and consistent attachment,” someone who
speaks to one’s own inner sanctum, to serve as an ongoing decisor.73 One
is not permitted to hopscotch from one decisor to the next to find the
most preferred specific ruling.74 Nor is one permitted to ignore one’s
decisor’s ruling, once asked for and received. However, the binding to a
decisor need not be permanent: a person may switch decisors The elasticity in selecting one’s rabbi is at the core of halakhic
democracy. For, those endowed with halakhic rule-crafting authority—
the rabbis—are selected or appointed, directly or indirectly, by the
people. While control over halakhic decision-making is vested in the
rabbis, they may be replaced relatively freely if desired.
over the
course of his lifetime if he no longer wishes to adhere to the philosophy
or rulings of his current one.75 Similarly, an individual may seek the
guidance of a different “specialist” decisor in areas where he feels that
his chosen decisor has less proficiency than needed in the matter at
hand.
As R. Judah Patriarch (Rebbi) was dying, he instructed his son, R. Gamliel, to appoint
Hami b. R. Haninah as head of the yeshiva. The Talmud asks, “And why
did Rebbi himself not appoint him?” R. Drosa responds: because the
people of Sepphoris protested. JT Ta’anit 4:2 20b.
The rishon Rivash (R. Yitzhak b. Sheshet, 1326-1408, Spain) ruled that a person may not request authority over a community from the king without the concurrence of the community
aharon Rema agrees, and both add that whoever does so “causes pain
to the public and will end up having to answer for it.”91 The Sephardic
aharon R. Eliyahu Mizrahi (d. 1525, Turkey) writes that the authority
given “to each Court in each generation…is due only to the fact that the
great court of each generation, all the people of that generation rely on
[that court’s] opinions.”
First-century tanna R. Eleazar b. Tzaddok ruled that any gezeirah
enacted by a court but not accepted by the majority of the people is no
gezeirah.JT Avodah Zarah 2:8, 16a (2:9, 41d); JT Shabbat 1:4 10b.
R. Meir decreed that kuthim (now often referred to as the Samaritans) were considered
complete idolaters and were thus to be shunned, but the people did not
accept his ruling.BT Hullin 6a.
Klei Hemdah (R. Meir Dan Plotzky, 1866-1928, Poland),
Ha’azinu, pp. 336-338 regarding the conflict between obedience to rabbinic law versus
the people’s ability to flout specific rulings.Avram, thanks for clarifications. I do not mean that he had an agenda to prove Creation, I mean that he technically contributed to understanding Maase bereshis, and it was not an easy or short path, I agree. Even scientists who are involved in such research need to be respoected even if they came to wrong conclusions. Same as Resh Lakish almost always “loses the argument to R yohanan, but he is not to be seen as a “loser”.
Amil, to be put in historical context: your grandparents presumably immigrated to USA, understanding it was a better alternative. Same as many children in poor countries now benefit from factories employing them, preferring those jobs to starvation in villages. This is not to excuse horrible cases, but to see things in perspective.
Jack K > It boggles my mind that Republicans want to make voting as restricted and regulated as they can, but child safety gets thrown in the garbage because of inconvenience.
yes, they are mature enough to clean tables, but not mature enough to make political decisions.
There are pros and cons to universal franchise: pro – everyone’s interests are counted; cons – decisions are mediocre. Given current ability to manipulate opinions, cons grow and grow. So, maybe we need a two-tier system: people who pass IQ, SAT and political knowledge test will be allowed to vote. The rest could find someone in the previous group and delegate him with the vote.Value of science (that is, understanding the world Hashem created for us) is clearly stated in a midrash that asks – why early humans lived longer? A: they did not benefit from previous writings, so each of them had to make his own astronomical observations to figure out all the planet and stars movements.
This sounds like a back-projection from the era of astronomy, but clearly says that a person did not fulfill his role in the world until he built all those Ptolemy’s circles (or better Copernicus or Einstein models).The arguments against chochmas goyim:
1) We now have Torah, so non-Jews could work out quantum physics on their own, while we are
torn between Abaye and Rava
2) social effect of secular learning leading to university dorms and mixed dancing.These are valid ones, but can be addressed: (1) with the right balance, (2) with right social construct
Major argument for (beyond lifestyle, parnosa): bein Adam l’Havero is a major part of Torah. Healing people may need an MD; finding lost objects – writing phone apps; teaching Torah to busy people – ability to use zoom; unloading enemy’s donkey – using heavy machinery. More generally – organizing healthy and just society requires knowledge of modern society.