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Neville ChaimBerlin,
“Because you love CT’s crazy leftist ideas and don’t want to let anyone see the opposition?”
So far, 2scents, anonymous jew, klugeryid, MDG, 1, Avi K, Takes3tomakemangos, lakewhut, and Non Political have all either supported the OP or posted rebuttals to things CTLAWYER has written, so I don’t see this supposed conspiracy to silence “the opposition” (and it’s strange that you view yourself as “the opposition”). Maybe tone down the personal attacks and your posts will go through unedited. On another thread, you declared me to be your enemy because I dared, heaven forbid, to espouse a view that was different from yours. Politics really seem to trigger you. Calm down. Republicans are not your team. Yidden are, like it or not. Even if some of them have political views that don’t align completely with yours.
takahmamash,
“We have some sem girls from Darchei Binah coming for Shabbat in a few weeks.”
I recommend having a three-day supply of water (figure 1 gallon per person per day), and a three-day supply of non-perishable food. Make sure your prescriptions are filled, fill your vehicle’s gas tank, and keep important documents in a safe, watertight location. Have a portable radio and plenty of batteries and flashlights handy. If needed, I can help you board up your windows.
“Will they be outgoing or nebby?”
You will be unable to hear anything over the screaming and shouting.
“Are they friendly like out-of-towners or cliquey?”
They’re equally unfriendly to everyone.
“Will they be serious learners?”
They have swords and have been known to attack anyone who disturbs their learning.
“Will they actually be learning the material or memorizing?”
They learn it so well that they memorize it.
“What about chesed – do they have a chesed day?”
They do chessed every day of the year, so they have a mean day. I think the mean day is coming up on a Shabbat in a few weeks…
“What about wearing Gap sweatshirts and flats?”
I’ve heard they eat them.
“Will they look at me if I speak to them?”
They can shoot lasers from their eyes, so probably better if they don’t.
“Will they go to shule?”
They only go to shuls without an “e”.
“Help with the dishes?”
They stack them up high in order to break them all at once.
“What about serving?”
It’s assur to play tennis with them, but they’d probably clobber you.
“do they expect only Badatz hechshirim?”
You must grow everything on-site under the constant supervision of the seminary. Hope you’ve gotten that started by now.
1,
“If Stalin promised yeshiva funding, would you still endorse him and vote for him in a primary?”
הֱווּ זְהִירִין בָּרָשׁוּת, שֶׁאֵין מְקָרְבִין לוֹ לָאָדָם אֶלָּא לְצֹרֶךְ עַצְמָן. נִרְאִין כְּאוֹהֲבִין בִּשְׁעַת הֲנָאָתָן, וְאֵין עוֹמְדִין לוֹ לָאָדָם בִּשְׁעַת דָּחְקוֹ
Both parties have elements in their platforms that would be helpful to the Jewish community. Both have elements that are contrary or antithetical to Torah values. As a religious Jew, I think it’s foolish to get married to one party and sling mud at the other, like it’s “your” baseball team vs a rival. One day the Republicans control the government. The next day it’s the Democrats. Both will court Jewish votes when it serves them, and will stop when it no longer serves them. Why not judge each candidate as s/he comes and vote for who you think will do the best job in that office, and avoid casting American Jewry onto transactional and ephermeral support while antagonizing half of the other people in the country?
I said, “OK Google, can asking ok Google have bad results?” and it returned this thread.
Also, compensation to Federal workers is about 15 percent of discretionary spending, which itself is only about 30 percent of the Federal budget. So your “25% payroll deduction” causes quite a bit of harm for very little fat trimming.
Joseph,
“A quarter of the government has been closed for almost a month and life goes on.”
You do realize that more than half of the workforce in the closed government agencies are continuing to work every day with no pay, right? Most businesses can go on for a short while half staffed and still do the essential functions to keep afloat, for example during the non-Jewish holiday season, but that won’t work long term. And eventually the staff will get upset about the missing paychecks. FTA and DHS employees continue to work so the airports stay open. FDA and USDA inspectors are still make sure the food and drug supplies are safe, and NWS employees continue to issue weather warnings.
Meno,
“I’m Hoping this lasts until April 15 so I won’t have to pay taxes this year.”
If you’re a normal employed person, your taxes have already been deducted from your paychecks all year long. So yes, if you owe a bit more you might not have to pay it until the government reopens, but if you’re due a refund, you won’t get that either.
What’s the difference between luck and mazel?
Takes2-2tango,
“Does any one know how to get this politically trashy news paper from being delivered to my home?”
I don’t know the best way to stop delivery to your home, but giving them lots of free publicity probably wasn’t it.
Gadolhadorah,
No need to be mean. Bestcpa is seeking information about equipment he has never used. He never said that he intends to do something dangerous.
Mmm, that was a good burger. Why is everyone looking at me like that?
akuperma,
You’re going to argue the definition of private with a lawyer? 😂
Chossid,
“All I’m asking is that if you have a question about lubavitche, you can ask it, just don’t come to conclusions based on rumors.
I rest my case”Everything I have posted in this thread has been directly about things written in this thread by Chabad (or claimed Chabad) posters.
Sechel HaYashar,
“But of course, if they aren’t Lubavitch, their Minhag doesn’t bother anyone…”
The people from Dzhikov aren’t here on the CR trying to convert the nebach non-Dzhikovians. If they were, you bet they’d be asked about it.
ZionGate,
C’mon, we have bigger fish to fry here!
I may be beating a dead horse, but the irony of the “Holocaust on your plate” folks taking exception with common idioms makes me sick as a dog. This is the straw that broke the camels back, and I am going to take the bull by the horns and kill the fatted calf. Thankfully there’s more than one way to skin a cat.
Eli Y,
“The point is that for whatever reason, he is not fluent in Hebrew and will not be because it is a lower priority.”
Writing as a BT myself, if at all possible, make this a higher priority. Better skills to learn chumash, mishnayos, gemara, rashi, tosafos, shulchan aruch, etc. inside is something I always wish I had been able to get at a young age. Do it with him if possible!
Eli Y,
“So we began making flashcards the showed the Mitzvot and the Hebrew Pasuk but neither of us understood the the actual Hebrew–rather, we were looking for key words or characters that would be unique to the pasuk so he could recognize it as the one the Mitzva was derived from. IMO, this was ridiculous since we were learning nothing”
I disagree that you were learning nothing by doing what you were doing. Especially if you were combining finding key words/letters with reading the pesukim, however slowly. Any and all exposure to the pesukim will help. The ultimate goal here is not to get to the fun Crown Heights trip, but to build those learning skills. At first, yes, it’ll be picking out only key words, and very slow reading. But as you keep seeing and reading the same words over and over again, they’ll become more familiar, and your ability to read them and pick them out in other pesukim will improve. Unfortunately yes, there is now a steeper learning curve for your son to pass these tests and go on the trip. But rather than closing the book on the higher goal of acquiring the skills by demanding everything in English, is it possible to seek out some additional help? Maybe an older boy in the school needs some chessed hours? Or an older person in your community wants an opportunity to do a wonderful mitzva by tutoring?
Avi K,
“They”
Yuck.
“claim that they are learning for the soldiers but refuse to say the “misheberach’.”
The more common practice is to say tehillim. Also there is “acheinu kol beis Yisroel” said after leining on Mondays and Thursdays. Why are you demanding the addition of a specific tefilla into Shabbos davening?
“They also refuse to say the prayer for the government even though it is a mitzva from a Navi.”
There is no mitzva “from” (?) a Navi to say a specific and new prayer at a specific time that also contains an assertion that not everyone fully agrees with.
MrSarahLevine613,
While it may be convenient to your argument to frame the charedi position towards army service as “we prefer to learn and not lift the burden with you”, it is simply not a correct representation. The army historically and currently has been perceived by all sides as serving two purposes: the primary being protection of the nation, and the secondary being a vehicle for acculturation and assimilation. It is this secondary purpose that chareidim oppose. While Avi K may be a full-throated supporter of both aims, chareidim value their mesora and culture, and do not wish their lifestyle to be destroyed.
So to reframe the debate – if the Israeli government really wants chareidim to serve and want to serve, why are they unwilling to make accommodations? Or, for the cases when accommodations are not possible, why not accept and respect, as the U.S. military does, that there are some who are conscientious objectors, and provide an alternate means of service?
This morning? Before alos hashachar.
username123321,
“Saying that we’re Kofrim over this [davening late] is another. And getting insulted when we argue back is surprising.”
I don’t think I’ve seem or heard anyone assert that Chabad chassidim are kofrim due to zmanim. Certainly not me. That’s a straw man. The concerns are about the perceived deification of the Lubavitcher Rebbe ZT”L and changing the definition of Moshiach to fit him. And the idea that all Jews must accept these precepts or they are spiritually inferior.
Joseph,
What’s a meme?
username123321,
“The Heicha Kedusha by Mincha.”
Watch out for the pot calling the kettle black. The only time I have ever witnessed a “heicha kedusha” davening within the Orthodox sphere was at a Chabad house for shacharis. And I’ve been to Chabad events where a minyan was present, and yet the rabbi refused to set up a mincha minyan, even though it was a small town and there certainly wasn’t any other mincha minyans available. Even the chol hamoed mincha at the zoo by the elephants I went to once had a full chazaras hashas.
username123321,
“It’s a shocker. I know. Lubavitchers believe that their Derech is more true than the other ones.”
I don’t think anyone has a problem with that. The problem arises when people perceive that they are being missionized. Because, another shocker, I know, Litvish, Satmer, Sefardim, etc. also believe that their own derachim are more true than the other ones. And yet, you’ll argue with them over it as you noted above. Don’t get all offended when they argue back.
Milhouse,
“Not from any one incident, but over time they could have realized that something is very wrong.”
Agreed. Should those within the Chabad community be realizing that something is very wrong when the Lubavitcher Rebbe ZT”L is being increasingly deified?
5ish,
“Why do you all constantly feed trolls and think that people saying crazy things for the purposes of riling others up are suddenly going to write sources and have a nice conversation?”
Poe’s Law.
TomimTihyeh,
“Careful – you dont want the snags to know that the Frierdiker Rebbe revealed to us that they think this way! Lol”
You like telling it like it is, “lol”? Fine, I’ll tell it like it is. Better to be snags than ovdei avoda zara. We hope for the coming of melech hamoshiach every day, but we do not hope for a replacement of Hashem, R”L. Yes, I know it is much easier to have a relationship with a man – someone you can see, someone who smiles at you. It is scary to try and relate with a Creator Who is infinite and beyond our limited senses and perceptions, but that is what Hashem asks of us. That is what Avraham Avinu did. That is what Moshe Rabbeinu did, and exhorted us to do. You hold that the Rambam is the final word on Moshiach. Fine. Did the Lubavitcher Rebbe ZT”L build the beis hamikdash? Are we all living in Eretz Yisroel? Is he sitting on the throne of Dovid Hamelech in Yerushalayim? Was the korban tamid offered this morning? No. Therefore, the moshiach has not yet come, and you cannot redefine what the moshiach is to get around that, changing him into some sort of deity. The Christians already tried that 2000 years ago, so you’re late to the party.
You’re getting so bent out of shape over perceived disrespect of your rebbe. But unlike you, who has used nivul peh CV”S to refer to Rav Kotler ZT”L and other precious and holy Torah leaders, nobody here has insulted the Lubavitcher Rebbe, ZT”L. We’re just not accepting him as the moshiach, based on the very clear criteria of the Rambam, and you seem to interpret that as disrespect. Well, guess what? You are disrespecting the Lubavitcher Rebbe, ZT”L much more than anyone else here, because he is certainly not getting nachas in shamayim when a supposed chassid of his makes him into a god, R”L.
There is only ONE G-D, and that is Hashem. And He is not a man.
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klugeryid,
“Spanking is physical abuse
Yelling is verbal abuse
Time out is emotional abuse
IGNORING YOUR KID’S WRONGDOINGS IS SOCIETAL ABUSE”Is there really nothing in between spanking and yelling and ignoring a kid’s wrongdoing?
coffee addict,
“Are you saying that the gaonim tannaim and amaroaim who spanked their kids had their kids turn out violent?”
There is a world of difference between “100 years ago” per your OP and the way chazal lived and did things. They are not interchangeable. Don’t look at the early 20th Century or the 1950s as some sort of gold standard.
“I understand that there is a way it should be done, with love and respect but it’s not the spanking it’s the way it’s done”
The problem is, there is almost nobody on this planet who will spank a child for the “right reasons” and in the “right way.” Spanking is almost always the last resort of impatience and frustration with a child, because it yields the “results” of submission and obedience quite effectively. The problem is, while the parent wins the short game, in the long run, submission and obedience aren’t the true results we seek. It’s proper chinuch that we want, and spanking is more often a short circuit than a shortcut to that end. A child spanked by a rageful or frustrated parent, or one embarrassed by his child’s behavior in public, will submit, will cry, and may even apologize for his behavior when that is demanded of him, but he won’t be feeling regret over his actions and a desire to do better. He will be feeling rage towards the parent, or his own humiliation and embarrassment over the spanking, not the behavior.
Meno,
“In less than one second? That would mean light is travelling faster than the speed of light in train man’s reference frame. That’s impossible.”
No, on his watch it’ll be a second. On the platform man’s watch, it’ll be less than a second.
“The discrepancy is not in when the light hits each observer’s eyes. Train man will see two lightning strikes simultaneously and platform man will see two lightning strikes simultaneously.
The discrepancy is in when each observer sees the light hitting train man’s eyes. From train man’s reference point, the light beams from both strikes hit his eyes simultaneously (that’s why he observes the strikes as occurring simultaneously). From platform man’s reference point, the light beams from both strikes do not hit train man’s eyes simultaneously. In other words, platform man sees the strikes occur simultaneously, but he does not see them reaching train man’s eyes simultaneously.”
The platform man observes the following: Two flashes that happened simultaneously at the moment the middle of the train (and the train man) passed him, by calculating that the light from each flash reached him exactly 1 second after the actual strike.
The train man observes the following: Two flashes, with the flash at the front of the train happening just before he passed the platform man, and the flash at the back of the train happening just after he passed the platform man, by calculating that the light from each flash reached him exactly 1 second after the actual strike.
The platform man observes the following about the train man: he was speeding towards one of the flashes at the same time the light from it was heading towards him, so the light reached him in under a second. He was moving away from the back flash, so that light reached him after slightly longer than a second.
The train man observes the following about the platform man: he was speeding towards the back flash, which happened later than the front flash, so the light from the later back flash reached him at the same time as the light from the earlier front flash, which he was moving away from.
Chabadshlucha,
“I remember the time in high school when we heard how that day’s story in Yeshiva was that a visiting Rebbe had asked a Lubavitcher bochur a question. The bochur reverently listened, and then registered shock, before he recovered and answered.
The teacher was curious what had transpired, so he asked the bochur what had happened. The bochur said the Rebbe had asked him what the good tourist sights were. He hadn’t expected such a question from a Rebbe.”
You forgot the end of the story. As the rebbe left, his attendant asked him, “why did you ask that bochur about tourist sites when you’re planning to spend the day in the beis medrash?” The rebbe replied, “nu, it’s a mitzva to love every Jew, so I talked to him about his own interests!”
Meno,
“First let’s take a simple case: Light travels 186,282 miles per second. Let’s say I’m running in a straight line at 1000 miles per second, and lightning strikes exactly 186,282 miles ahead of me. How much time passes (on my watch) before I see the lightning? The answer, I believe, is exactly 1 second, because light travels the same speed in every reference frame – that’s Einstein’s chiddush.”
Correct.
“So now the train example. To make it simpler, lets say the train is 372,564 miles long (2 x 186,282 miles). The guy on the platform sees both lightning strikes simultaneously after 1 second – simple. But why doesn’t the guy on the train also see them simultaneously? Why is it different from my case? Is my conclusion in my case incorrect?”
The flashes were 186,282 miles from each observer, so they both figure that the light from each flash took 1 second to reach them. But the observer on the platform saw the flashes as happening at the same time, and the one on the train saw the flash at the head of the train happen first. In the inertial frame of the platform observer, the man on the train was moving away from the light coming from the back flash and towards the light of the front flash, so the light from the front flash traveled less than 186,282 miles before reaching him, and the light from the back flash traveled further than 186,282. But to the man on the train, the light from each flash traveled exactly 186,282 miles before reaching him.
Doing my best,
Why? The light in front of him moved closer to him when the train moved towards it. (the same way when two cars go towards each other they meet other faster then when only one moves.) however, he is sort of running away from the photons behind him, so it will take them longer to hit him, however they are still there.”
Why are the photons playing “catch-up” with the man on the train, and not the man on the platform? What’s special about the platform man that you take his side? Let’s dispense with the train and the platform, and say our two men are in spaceships whizzing past each other out in open space. And let’s say each man believed his spaceship to be at rest (“Full stop, ensign!” “Yes, captain!”). One man therefore thinks that he is “stopped”, and the other ship is moving past him, and the other thinks that his ship is “stopped”, and the other ship is moving past him! And suddenly there are two flashes of light nearby both ships. Both men think that his own ship is stopped, and the light from both flashes is moving towards each of the men at the speed of light. For one, the flashes were simultaneous, and for the other, they were not. Which is right? Both, relative to their own inertial frame of reference!
Doing my best,
“Yes, but the man on the platform will not see the strikes at the same time. This should prove that it is not only movement which can change your perception.”
True, he wouldn’t, but he’d know that the strikes occurred at different distances from him, and, doing the math, he’d still calculate that the strikes occurred simultaneously. Setting up the thought experiment with the two strikes being equidistant from both observers is done for simplicity, but it doesn’t change the fact that in one man’s inertial frame of reference the strikes were simultaneous, and in the other man’s frame of reference they were not.
Also, if the man on the train had super long hands and one was in front of the train and and the other in back, he would feel both strikes at the same time.
No he wouldn’t. Let’s say his nerve signals could go from his hands to his brain at the speed of light, i.e., the signals are moving towards his brain at the same speed as the light from the flashes (in reality they go more than a million times slower). As we saw above, the light/nerve signal from the front of the train arrives to his brain before the light/nerve signal from the back of the train. So he both sees and feels the strikes as non-simultaneous. The truth is, they were non-simultaneous to him. Just as much as they were simultaneous to the guy on the platform.
And even though he sees them at different times, that’s because of the fact that the back light hasn’t hit him, but it’s still there.”
That can only make sense if the speed of light from one flash was slower than the speed of light from the other flash, which is impossible.
Joseph,
“The issue is the president is falsely accused of supporting them. He needn’t denounce every group his political opponents and media haters demand he denounce based on their false insinuations of his support.”
This post is quite surprising coming from you. I never knew you were an Obama supporter.
Health,
“Pres. Trump is NOT PC & feels no need to defend his comments! Therefore if right wackos decide to turn his words around – he doesn’t respond!”
And that is wrong. Words matter. Communication matters.
“Trump remembers a world that wasn’t guided by PC. He lives in that world. Unfortunely you only live in your PC World, NOT the Real World!”
If it were the 1950s, Donald Trump would have had his mouth washed out with soap by now. This “not PC” nonsense is just an excuse to be false, uncivil, and nasty.
Joseph,
“Avram, suspecting President Trump of the type of wink wink anti-Semitism you describe by implication without explicitness is absurd given Trump’s proven track record … of being an overt Oheiv Yisroel”
Lol, this is the classic “I’m not racist, some of my best friends are black!” retort. It’s not absurd at all. I do not think that Donald Trump subscribes to the racial animus towards Jews espoused by Nazi ideology – in other words, I think he sees Jews as “white”. However, I do think he subscribes to the Jews secretly control the world/desire wealth above all else tropes. But at the end of the day he is a believer in the-ends-justify-the-means. Therefore, he is willing to work with this supposed Jewish cabal to get his financial, political, and attention-getting desires met where applicable, and he is equally willing to rail against the cabal to his base in order to get their votes, while keeping it subtle enough to not completely upset the former collaborations.
Doing my best,
“Anyone know more about this? or how this would work?”
Einstein used a thought experiment involving a speeding train to demonstrate that time is relative to the inertial frame of the observer.
Suppose there is a speeding train, and there is a man in the middle of this train. Another man is sitting at a platform outside of the train as it speeds past. Right as the middle of the train is passing the platform, the man on the platform sees lightning strike both ends of the train simultaneously. What does the man inside the train observe? As light from the lightning heads towards his eyes, the train is moving in the direction of one of the bolts, and away from the other. Thus, the light from the lightning strike at the front of the train has a shorter distance to travel to the eyes of the man in the train than the light from the strike in the back. So he’d say the strikes were not simultaneous.
Neville ChaimBerlin,
“If you interpret every time someone criticizes globalism as “the Jews control the world,” then you have apparently been programmed to be subconsciously anti-semitic.”
It doesn’t matter how I interpret it. It matters how the white supremacists interpret it. I think the whole “globalist vs. capitalist” dichotomy is a false one anyway.
“If people interpret what he says as this mythical “wink” you liberals”
“You liberals”, wow. Calm down the keyboard warfare there, realize that I am a human being and that I’m not your enemy, and talk to me like a human being. Thank you.
“love to bring up, that isn’t his problem. He can’t refrain from talking about the real issues like globalism and immigration just because a small fraction of rightists will take the rhetoric too far.”
Actually, that is his problem. And it would be quite a simple thing to clarify, “oh, when I say globalists, I do not mean Jews, and I wholeheartedly condemn and reject anyone who twists my words in order to peddle anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.” Yet has he said anything of the sort?
Health,
“Stop with your lies about Trump!”
I have not lied. Sorry. כל הפוסל במומו פוסל
“Where were you when Obama was president?!?”
What does this have to do with President Trump?
“We don’t even know whether Obama is an Antisemite or not, because it was hidden.”
Given his lame duck slap of Israel via the UN and his administration’s general tone-deafness, I’d say it was quite possible. President Obama’s rhetoric reflected the anti-Semitism on the left (anti-Israel, anti-milah, anti-shechita, etc.), while President Trump’s rhetoric stirs up the anti-Semitism on the right (Jews control the world and seek to undermine nations, are polluters of purity, etc.). I’m happy to call out both, but the latter is more threatening and imminently dangerous right now.
Neville ChaimBerlin,
“Conspiracies against Jews leading to Antisemitism are out there, but they aren’t being spread by Trump”
Yes they are. Every time he rails against the globalist conspiracy to ruin America, the white supremacists wink and say hamevin yavin (well, not exactly that, but you know what I mean).
Gadolhadorah,
“To those idiots like Limbaugh, Savage etc,, I’d just wish one of these “toys” shows up in their mailbox so we can wish whats left of them a refuah shelamah.”
And this rhetoric is just as terrible as what you’re so bothered by from the other “side”.