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If we can do those things, how does the Rambam know that Moshiach will?
Also, I’m confused. You are asking if someone can do it even if he is not Moshiach, and the moderator seems to be asking if doing it means he is Moshiach.
In a matter of time, they will no longer care to be considered Orthodox.
According to a post above, the melech hamashiach will build the beis hamikdash.
Yehuda v’od l’kra? Who cares what “a post” says? The Rambam says it!
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I think what the OP is asking is:
If it were possible to build the beis hamikdash today, and I take the initiative to go do it, would that make me mashiach?
I don’t think that’s what the OP is asking.
Why can’t that be called retzichah?
OK, but that’s probably at least part of the reason we don’t try to build it now.
The Rambam says Melech Hamoshiach will build the Bais Hamikdosh. He seems to hold we can’t do it until then.
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/rambam.aspx?sefer=14&hilchos=83&perek=11&hilite=
Coffee addict is right. Their approach to halachah is agenda driven. At some point, when there is enough driving them (pardon the pun) towards chillul Shabbos, they will do that, just as conservative, which was supposedly halakhic, did.
True, other things may fall first, but it’s just a matter of time.
Hopefully, they’ll straighten themselves out and it won’t come to that, but that’s how it’s currently trending.
According to the Wikipedia article “Sholom Klass”, Q&A, the Jewish Press column, popularized the term.
I think this is neither. I wasn’t even talking about advice, I was talking about opinion, which is what you mentioned.
Oh, don’t confuse us with facts, just pass the turkey.
Why not? Despite the reprated misconceptions, it is not a religious holiday
Rav Hutner held it was, and it seems that Rav Moshe was against it (even if not actually assering) as a secular holiday.
DY: “I didn’t express an opinion about the wisdom of dismantling the State” Then why is that the only side you’re defending?
I’m not, but you pretty much said that the people who think the State should be dismantled don’t care if millions will die as a result, so I’m pointing out how offensive that is. Even though you didn’t mean it (I still don’t get what you did mean – if they don’t want it, of course they wouldn’t criticize you for not wanting it as well).
Of course I don’t admit that, because it’s not true. The sitra achra is the Soton/Malach Hamoves/Yetzer Hora. None of the aspects of the job he does are inconsistent with the idea of Min Hashomayim.
Does that mean I think it was the sitra achra? No, but I think it’s not at all an unreasonable possibility.
4. More nonsense. In fact, living in Shmutz LaAretz is compared to idolatry (Ketubot 110b). Anti-Zionism today is a refusal to see Hashem’s hand in history. At best it is Aristotelian denial of Hashem’s intervention in the world. At worst Zoroastrianism (belief in two gods, a god of good and a god of evil).
Okay, now I’m waiting for all of the anti-HaKatan people to be fair and similarly protest this statement.
Let me be the first: Avi, don’t go down this road. You are wrong and that was offensive.
Sam, if a doctor thinks a certain medicine will help someone, but the truth is it would hurt him (and he is not the patient’s doctor to actually administer it), is the opinion evil?
ROB, I didn’t express an opinion about the wisdom of dismantling the State, I only spoke about accusing people of ch”v wanting millions of people to die.
Even if you think that would be the result, those who want it dismantled don’t agree with that assessment, and while their opinion may be dangerous, it’s not evil.
You said it about my old post, not about anything Joseph wrote.
Aren’t those extreme views online?
It’s a moshol for zionism. The zionists live in klal yisroel’s land, and have the gall to complain when asked to pick up part of klal yisroel’s expenses.
Brilliant.
1) those arent real theories. gifts is a form of human expresion, that some attach religous significance to it doesnt make it so. (did you think we are the only ones who do that with customs?)
They are real theories. Whether we need to assume them to asser, or at least should be choshesh, is a valid question.
2) Cool thanks.
Though thats not how its practiced by most people
Hmmm?
(andI love how you accept academics for minhagim you dont like yet not for those you do,
Accept? Choshesh.
and do you agree that the gelt is not “milenia old” and was probably not always given to children?.)
No idea, don’t care.
The position that i think is silly is dismissing it as out of hand chukas akum.
Is that a retraction? Because that’s not what you said.
1) GIYF. There are several theories, one having to do with the wise men.
2) We’re not agreed, because I’m suggesting (again GIYF) that it was not merely through osmosis.
I think what bothers me is your easy dismissal, calling a very reasonable position “silly”.
There’s no point in retracting if I’m not wrong. I have admitted to error numerous times on this forum, just not to you, because I find perhaps (as apparently do others) in the cases we disagree (most), your arguments to not be logical. In this particular case, your opinion isn’t wrong per se, but your inability to see legitimacy in the other side is.
I’ll try one more time.
1) Gift giving on the chogo has religious significance.
2) We specifically copied it from them, in the sense that we do it on the holiday which falls in the same season (because we didn’t want our kids to be jealous).
This is dissimilar to your examples.
I have heard b’sheim poskim, but I don’t have a written source. You’re repeating your same arguments, which I have addressed (sound familiar?).
What other forum do you participate in? What is your username there?
In my family we give gelt because that is what i was taught is right. I grew up receiving gelt as well. Having said that, if you have 5 kids and not enough cash to make a “gift” of it
Were you taught why that is correct?
How much cash is considered making a gift of it?
I know people who give a dollar just to fulfill the minhag.
Those who are asking for civility are expected to be completely civil.
I don’t think saying others want millions dead is civil, which is precisely why he should be apologetic.
Wasn’t and still isn’t silly. Do you say that about anything you don’t agree with? There are poskim on either side, and the sevara I presented directly addressed you point.
BTW, I agree with Syag, the OP did in fact pose his question to both sides, and by starting by directing the question to those he presumably agreed with, did it the classier way.
Of course nobody in the CR actually wants that.
So you shouldn’t have said otherwise, with or without names. The fact that the sources are evil may be very disturbing but doesn’t mean someone quoting them shares the same goals, or even that they’re wrong. The fact that antisemites are antizionist does not mean that antizionists are antisemitic, and you should not be making that equation.
The gemara says beis shammai put armed guards at the door, and killed many people from beis hillel who tried to come in
I’m sure they were very cordial about it, though.
So on the radio without commercials would be fine?
Why is it zilzul Shabbos?
NCB, in case you are really unsure of what I found offensive, it’s the notion that anyone in the CR wants to see millions of Jews killed ch”v. And you say that in the name of cordiality and moderation…
I’m not sure which “point” of yours I helped.
Joseph, not if she says aini nizones v’aini osah.
How many husbands do you have? In my humble opinion, that’s a bigger problem than Chanukah gifts.
No, and the fact that you asked means that you still fail to understand what we are saying (or at least what I’m saying, as I can’t definitively speak for others).
What he said justified (to an extent) the Hebdo attack. That is wrong. That doesn’t mean the Hebdo people were smart, or correct, but regardless, the attack was 100% unjustified.
The fact that it is wrong, provocative and dangerous to go up to Har Habayis in no way shape or form mitigates the evil or justifies the murderous terrorism. But it is still wrong to provoke, and the inciters do take some level of responsibility.
You, and others, skewed my (and others’) view into somehow removing some of the blame from the reshaim who kill our brethren, but that is not at all what I said.
What Kerry said implies that there was more than just provocation, but some level of justification. That is wrong, and he does need to retract and apologize (don’t hold your breath).
I’ll be waiting to be harshly rebuked by half of the Coffee Room for my middle paragraph
Sure, because it was a truly disgusting thing to say.
It just seems to me that most of my friends who are married aren’t so happy and have a lot of pressures and responsibilities.
Are you assuming that they’re not happy because you see the pressures and responsibilities?
How about a ball game?
Mishpacha Magazine interviewed Rabbis Avraham Gordimer, Steven Pruzansky, and Yoel Schonfeld. It sounded like they felt that essentially, they too were writing off OO as not Orthodox, but the RCA felt that strategically, they were better off attacking specific practices, and they started with the most public and obvious one.
Of course He is. He is with all of us.
But what about when the weather turns nasty?
Wear a coat.
I don’t know that not showing hakaras hatov is any more of a halachic problem than leading people to a wrong and dangerous ideology.
I don’t doubt that there are some who don’t feel what they should, and that is wrong.
I don’t know why you say it must be a “halachic problem”. It could be a hashkafic problem, or simply a bad idea.
Simcha613, to answer your question about feeling hakaras hatov without being able to express it, the answer is yes, the concept exists. A famous story comes to mind:
(From a Cross-Currents article, written by Yonoson Rosenblum)
As a bochur learning in Mir, Rabbi Schwab decided one year just prior to Yom Tov to return home for the holiday. He borrowed money from Reb Yerucham for the trip. Upon his return to Mir, he repaid Reb Yerucham and thanked him. Reb Yerucham sharply criticized him for the expression of gratitude on the grounds that it raised serious halachic issues of ribis (interest).
It’s much harder to separate the army from the State than a person who happens to be Christian from his beliefs.
Simcha613, that’s actually what I was referring to. I do think we need to feel hakaras hatov to soldiers.
(Showing it is a different issue because it can give the appearance of agreeing hashkafically with the State.)
I was wondering if Takamsmash would say that we don’t need to have hakaras hatov, because Hashem protects us regardless (which He does).
God protects His land; if not America, protection would have come (and will continue to come) in some other way.
Do you think that takes away the obligation to feel and show appreciation?