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Gavra, DaMoshe’s way differs in that it transfers some of the obligation to families without school age children.
I’m not really against it in principle, but again, I’m trying to be realistic .
Wolf, I don’t disagree, but I guess that can be a little confusing, so their way is a bit simpler (at the chupah; it’s harder to get such a ring). I was once an eid kiddushin, and the mesader (a well known posek) simply asked us if the ring was worth at least a p’rutah. I have no doubt that the other way (no karatage marking) is simply a chumrah.
Oomis, I asked because the OP was referring to engagement. Your mind is probably more on kiddushin now. 🙂 Mazel Tov.
Hebrew ring inscriptions/ engraving for wedding/ engagement ring
They probably wanted it to be solid so it’s easier for the kallah to get an accurate idea of the value (see my previous post).
Why would our Bais Yaakov & Yeshiva educated parents be unable to teach elementary school topics? Doesn’t that say something about our Mosdos?
No, but if did, so what? Again, idealism vs. reality.
Sorry
Mine didn’t either; I think the majority don’t.
The issue isn’t shaveh p’rutah, it’s s’michas daas. IOW, if the marked karatage is wrong, there could be an issue. She may assume, for instance, that the ring is worth $150, and only be meksbeles kiddushin on that assumption, yet the ring is only worth $18, so the kiddushin would be invalid.
I think the result would be a lot of minyanim in people’s houses.
CI, do you think the names of parents who receive tuition assistance should be made public? That’s what you seem to be arguing with Gamanit about.
Oomis, are you referring to the engagement ring, or wedding band (kiddushin ring)?
Wolf, there are actually mesadrei kiddushin who don’t even like 14k (or 18k etc.) engraved. But don’t worry, that doesn’t make you a kofer or anything. 🙂
Homeschooling is only an option in limited circumstances. The parent has to be capable of it, and most are not. Also, to be of financial benefit, the money saved must be greater than the income lost during the time the parent is teaching. As this is seldom the case, I think it’s just another example of idealism being substituted for real world solutions.
Another point: you can’t compare our mosdos hachinuch to Yankel’s grocery for two reasons. One, as TLIK said, is that they fundraise under the assumption that the cost of services provided exceeds the income from those receiving the services. Yankel’s Grocery doesn’t fundraise.
Also, it costs Yankel a specific amount for any given product, whereas any specific student doesn’t necessarily cost the school a great deal of money. True, if taken to its extreme, nobody would pay any tuition, but my point still has validity insofar as any specific decision to expel a student isn’t necessarily motivated by direct financial loss, as would Yankel’s decision not to provide a family with free food, but rather, as a matter of policy.
Popa_bar_abba’s mofsim: (these are just the ones we know about):
He convinced most of the CR that women aren’t Jewish
He got pizza for free from an expensive midtown pizzeria
He finished over ten blatt in one sitting
and the two biggest: he got married and got a job
I’m suggesting that the Torah using the term ???? instead of ?? means the rules of t’nai don’t apply here.
Supposedly, you are sharing bandwidth with your neighbors when using cable, so FiOS speeds might be more reliable. Whether that makes enough of a difference to you depends on how you use it.
I wouldn’t take any chances. I’ve never had a problem using MC/Visa overseas.
Why do you assume this is s t’nai?
Sounds like cable offers more value.
Probably the ones you quoted in your previous post.
Well, one of them, anyhow. I’m too polite to agree to the others.:)
Just keep in mind that even if I think that you had an awesome line it doesn’t mean that I think the line is valid in (certain) arguments, for instance the line about proving the truth.
Oh well, maybe one day…
Well, the ones that were about you were more funny (although I certainly do not agree with many of them).
Either way, I do appreciate your inclusion of some of my sayings in your list of “awesome” comments.
Ah, but it wasn’t “in reference” to you (which means the same as “about” you), it was an idea which I happened to be discussing with you. Since there was absolutely nothing personal even hinted at in my statement, it was out of context in the thread, which was supposed to be about comments referring to you. By putting it in this thread, you imply that there’s some way of construing it as personal, which there isn’t.
For example, lines and phrases such as, “your asinine intellectually dishonest misconceptions”, “It doesn’t matter how many seforim you can quote, you are crum”, “You for some reason seem incapable of making what is a fairly straightforward distinction” [ed. the “for some reason” is probably insufficient learning b’iyun :)], “You just like being contrarian”, “people find you so annoying…”, and even, “…taking R’ Chaim out of the realm of “hypothetical lomdus” is so outrageous, yet that is what you are doing” can be understood as being “about”, or “in reference to”, you. But, “Right is right, whether you can successfully prove it or not” has nothing to do with you, and cannot reasonably be construed that way.
All of which can be found in E”Y
Different people have different needs and different circumstances. To assert that everyone can achieve and obtain the same things in E”Y as in Chu”l is naive. Or, more likely, agenda driven, but either way, ridiculous.
Yes, it was directed towards you, and referred to something you said, but it wasn’t *about* you.
To quote from your OP: “A selection of the awesome comments people have said about me in the Coffee Room:”.
Unless you’ve now taken this entire thread out of context…
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The last time I tried cutting the gas line after an hour was right after Sandy. A bunch of people got really angry.
Parnassah, shidduchim, chinuch, health.
I believe self clean cycles generally run for at least three hours, so IDK if popa’s suggestion is doable.
That quote wasn’t about you. Thank you for demonstrating my point.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/your-coffee-room-report-card-comments#post-530082
I have never heard of Visa/MasterCard not working with an overseas company, except for smart chip cards, and that’s a swiping issue, and has nothing to do with internet transactions.
There was probably a deleted post about Zionism.
What are the prices of each?
Ask VM’s ruach hakodesh guy. He should know.
Or just ask popa.
Veltz Meshugener I hope you are joking.
The shadchan hopes so too. I’m not sure what his wife hopes.
Gavra, silver candlesticks and an engagement ring
I sincerely hope you’re exaggerating.
From Long Island, does it bother you that when you buy a pair of shoes, the store owner uses some of the funds to pay tuition?
If you think education is a commodity like any other, than look at it as a free market place. If you want the product, you need to pay the asking price, which the school has a right to set as high as they want, for whatever reason they want. If you don’t like it, don’t send your children there.
If you look at education as a mandate for every child, than of course some will bear a bigger burden than others, because some can afford more than others.
Also, I’ve been told by numerous administrators that tuition generally is just about the cost of running the school divided by the number of students (just as one poster suggested it should be). The shortfall of partial or no tuition is made up through fundraising.
I think your anger at hardworking people who simply can’t afford the tremendous cost of tuition is misplaced, although I do understand your frustration.
Sam, you don’t go with the Carlebach version?
VM, you could have had the decency to at least send an email.
Trust 789, I meant that he would know the source for lamedvovniks if he had ruach hakodesh, and I was joking.
Sam, if you had ruach hakodesh, you would know.
Seriously, though, there are many levels and aspects to whatcwe call “ruach hakodesh”, and despite the gemara’s statement, some form existed afterwards (as evident, as PAA points out, from the hemshech).
Even in recent generations, there has been some form if r”h Many people have testified, for example, about statements from the Steipler zt”l that can only reasonably be explained outside of teva (I know of a pretty reliable story to that effect from his son R’ Chaim shlit”a).
Popa must be telling the truth, because, after all, would someone with ruach hakodesh lie to us?
Lior, not really, because you keep on going back to the notion that he merely wants a functional marriage, without addressing situations where that’s not realistically going to happen.
Sam, I assume the mods have some kind of confidentiality issue (although I’m sure you didn’t mean it literally).
Lior, you are not addressing the fact that at some point, it becomes reasonable to assume that she simply will not go back to him.
“Thank you”.
Nice.
No, as I said (and you agreed), it does make sense to go beyond the ????, although it’s “safer” to stay within it. The bottom line of where we disagree, possibly, is that I hold that at at the end of the day, despite the fact that kal vachomer seems to simply be a logical device, it’s much more than that; it’s a means of HKB”H teaching us halachos, much as the other twelve middos are. There is logic to it, but it’s not iron clad in that way, and the degree of logical proof doesn’t have to be consistent.
It doesn’t matter if we are right because we have the truth.
Of course it does. Same argument as in the other (Daas Torah?) thread. Right is right, whether you can successfully prove it or not. I think you even put a line of mine in the good quotes thread.
There can be a huge nafka mina about how much we can get away with practically; on that I think we agree.
Planning a Jewish government in E.Y. before Moshiach.
They are arguing over whether we say dayo heicha d’mifrach kal vachomer, not over how much “sense” a k”v has to make.
It’s possible to express R’ Tarfon’s view as being that the existence of a k”v is a mandate to learn out a halacha, and if something can be learned from the k”v without violating dayo, we do so and stop there, but if necessary, we even violate dayo in order to make sure the k”v is used.
I’m not sure that’s necessary, though.
I don’t think there’s much chiddush in the boy’s words (according to Randomex’ translation; I didn’t see it). The shittah of the Satmar Rebbe zt”l is easy enough to find by just looking at the hakdamah to Vayoel Moshe (I googled and found a free download).
B’ikkar, he holds that our enemies were empowered by our attempted violation of the three shavuos. The historical cause and effect is kind of irrelevant when viewed through R’ Yoel ztl’s perspective
You’re asking a kashya, then, based on assumptions which are quite questionable. According to your assumptions, the chilluk between cases where R’ Tarfon holds of dayo or doesn’t should have nothing to do with heicha d’mifrach kal vachomer.
It actually does make sense that something which is more chamur should also be more chamur elsewhere, and it also makes sense to never say a kal vachomer because of a possible unknown pircha (a reason given for ein onshin min hadin) but the bottom line is that the Torah gives guidelines as to when to say and how far to say a k”v. R’ Tarfon and the Rabbanan disagree about the guidelines.
Where I though you had a valid question was in categorizing the two halachos vs. os achas as dayo, as opposed to calling the two halachos a tzad chamur and therefore a pircha (I think this can be answered, but it’s a good heoroh).
OK, so you’re asking a different question on the Medrash Shmuel, but I don’t think it has anything to do with what I said.