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Be Truthful, I have no idea what you’re talking about. Hashem’s ways are just, whether we understand them or not.
nas I have not gotten a meaningful reply
You have, you’ve chosen to ignore it.
Yes, you are missing something, but I have no desire to rehash the argument.
A moderator contacted me to tell me that a poster requested that I remove (or the mods remove) my comment about the bas kol, as it is a very emotional issue, and the comment is not helpful. Let me just say that I had and have no intention of ch’v causing any bas Yisroel tza’ar, and I apologize if that happened.
To this poster I say:
I understand that there’s an emotional balm to thinking that everyone has their “bashert”, who they will certainly marry, but don’t you see the potential harm in it?
Don’t you see how on a communal level, it allows us to look away from the plight of bnos Yisroel and leave it in Hashem’s hands (which, of course, it ultimately is) but ignore our responsibilities?
Wouldn’t you agree that such thinking absolves individuals from making responsible decisions? Imagine, every boy can hold out for a girl with all of the ma’alos he wants, p’nimiyus and chitzoniyus, and throw in wealth for good measure, and any suggestion he rejects can be chalked up to “Well, obviously, this wasn’t my bashert!”. The same is true regarding girls holding out until they find a boy with all of the items on their predetermined checklist.
Finally, when we see that throughout history that many people have passed on without marrying, can we not worry that it can erode our faith in the words of Chazal to suggest that they made a guarantee that every single person will marry?
So, no don’t give up faith in Hashem’s ability to find a shidduch for anyone; daven, and work on making yourself the best possible spouse, and have emunah that whatever He does is for the best.
Which also means more shadchanim including professionals as well as personal initiatives by private non-professionals such as by most of us here, will essentially not help the catastrophe as the boys are getting married while the girls who aren’t is because there aren’t boys left for them to marry.
And it means that any other suggestion, more singles get-togethers, more realistic mothers and/or boys, less narishkeit, etc. will not do much good either.
They may not solve it entirely, since they won’t help the discrepancy, but it will help. It’s not as if all boys get married as soon as they want to.
So Hashem decided that ALL Chasiddishe girls will get married,
while others wont??????????
Francorochel3 is correct that Hashem is the one running the show, and has indeed apparently decided that a higher percentage of chassidishe girls will get married than girls from litvishe homes.
She’s incorrect that we can sit back and do nothing and be someich al haneis, and she’s misunderstanding the Chazal about the bas kol, which was never meant as a guarantee that everyone will get married.
R’ Rechnitz has a whole arichus here about the “rosh yeshiva shiur system”. I don’t undersatnd the system at all. It encourages boys to leave their Rebbe eventually.
Because a bochur needs a different shiur at 21 than he needed at 18.
Ariele, am I obligated to agree with him?
I think in the long term, a societal shift to younger chassanim might not be so harmful, but in the short term, it’s dangerous for the Nachshon who tries it.
Sam, meh. Who says he’s a sports fan?
I guess he agrees with the posters here who have said there’s no shidduch crisis. (tongue firmly in cheek – he goes on to explain that the proper term is “catastrophe”)
If he can manage to change the norm to boys marrying at age 20-21 without compromising their learning or shalom bayis, he will have earned himself one gigantic z’chus. May he have the siyata dishmaya to succeed.
You really think so, Sam?
I don’t know about you, but if I were trying to push living in Austin, Tx, I don’t think I’d put NYC as my location in my CR profile.
Aderaba, I would love to see it.
I’m not going to the land of the cattle,
despite your endless prattle.
So go on about Austin,
but me, you’re exhaustin’
So I’m gettin’ out of this battle.
(I’ll save you the trouble, though – DaasYochid, just try Austin, Tx.)
I repeat, I refuse to get lost in
the furnace you like to call Austin.
There’s one little chance,
that DY recants;
but a pretty penny it’ll be costin’.
I said I do not want to go,
unless you will cough up some dough.
So stop being funny,
and show me the money,
’til then, emphatically, NO!!
Malbim,
I don’t want to move to Austin,
I’m happy to stay here in Boston,
though I might move to Texas,
if you buy me a Lexus,
with free kids’ tuition tossed in!
As frum as Austin, TX?
lol
Benignuman, as I once pointed out, R’ Moshe actually has a teshuvah being mattir mixed seating at weddings.
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=916&st=&pgnum=102
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Others do asser.
Sorry, I didn’t catch that it stops completely. Still, there’s nothing wrong with stopping the ma’aseh of closing the door, so if you think there’s no problem with pulling the hand away, you could do it yourself, with a chair, or even your own hand. Just close the door enough (l’shitoscha) so that it would close in its own, but not enough for the light to go off, then move your own hand away.
I don’t see why a second person is maaleh or morid, unless you’re looking for shnayim sheasuhu as a snif.
I guess you’re just going to have to move to Austin, Tx. 🙂
????? ??? ??”? ?’ ??’ ?”?
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I’m surprised nobody’s mentioned it yet.
mongeese
Sam, if the one closing the door knows the other fellow will move his hand, it’s not a grama.
According to you, you could put an object in the way, push the door, and remove the object before the door closes; you don’t need an aide.
Funny, oomis.
I’m just glad you didn’t call the OP the goq-ness monster.
Nah, it’s because you didn’t keep popa updated on daf yomi.
PAA, I am honored. I saw your kashya while it was up, and it was a nice ????, but I still like the other one better.
I don’t think the ???”? ???? is asking on ??? ?’ ?????? per se; there are a few gemaras which use the idea, and he only asks here.
Here, each ??? referred to his own experience, and ??? ?’ ??????, in that context, only makes sense if it’s a ????, not as a ??????.
Popa was right.
When Ofcourse said that boys are looking for specific physical characteristics, she meant thin. See her comment here:
(1+2+3)-(4+5+6)=-9
I had a thought about HaLeiVi’s other kashya on the ?”?. The ???”? in ????? ?”? says that even though there’s no ??? by the father, there is ??? (see ?????? ?’ ????? ???????? on ???????, particularly his first ??? on that ???”?).
Maybe the ?”? holds that ??? is enough to take off the ????? ????, but not the ???? even with ????.
A decent thermos will keep coffee hot from erev Shabbos until Shabbos morning.
That’s good for my pre-Shacharis coffee, but I still need an eitzah for my Shalashudis coffee.
You are providing me with motivation to post more kashyas.
My intention was to compliment an excellent kashya, but if it motivates you to ask more, all the better.
I hope the overzealous mod who hacked up this thread doesn’t delete this post. I mean sheesh, popa started the thread and brought in mispronunciations, why are we being so particular?
I am unique, just like everybody else.
Why did the thread title make me think this was another Avi Weiss thread?
Anyhow, major Judaism hack: Mesivta Gemara (although I didn’t see a teirutz to PAA’s kashya there).
Minor Judaism hack: brewed coffee on Shabbos – make cold brew concentrate before Shabbos, or, the lazy, expensive way, use Starbucks Via. It’s better than most brewed coffee. Ask your posek if/how to make it, as it’s not made the same way as regular instant.
Also, popa, don’t mess with Ben Zion Shenker (who is ka’h still going strong, and recently released a beautiful album). The way he composed it was as a waltz with a certain tempo. I don’t either sing it as recorded, but musically, his way is better.
P.S. You could also get drunk every night and you’ll be an oiness for missing shacharis.
It was a loose nut, and it was behind the wheel.
Popa, how’s your car doing?
How long after it happened did you post?
Does this mean it’s not true that Lot’s nephew wrote a book called “My Aunt the Netziv”?
Also, you can go to hebrewbooks.org and type ????? into the search (title) box, and that should give you a few choices.
HaLeiVi, very similar, but I’m shifting the “lav davka” from the Ri to the Beraisa, which the meforshim anyhow say is lav davka, because leidosom bikedusha is not nisgayru bonov imo.
It’s worth noting that the Ri’s pshat is mentioned in the Mordechai, Tos. Harosh, S’ma, Tiferes Yisroel, and maybe more. Nobody blinks at the incongruity of the case, and I’ve not seen anyone ask it (I went through the Kovetz Meforshim, but haven’t gotten a chance yet to look at the Mesivta Gemara).
The truth is much more likely to be along the lines we’re suggesting, that the kashya reads too much into the lashon, than finding some esoteric case or application for the din.
I think the beraisa was saying that even though there is no yerusha it is still frowned upon by the Rabbis to return it, because that might lead to yibum problems.
I’m suggesting that the ?”? didn’t learn that way.
Also, the answer (to PAA’s kashya) is pashut.
The Ri holds that “ein ruach chachomim niche heimenu” is theoretical, not actual; the beraisa means that had the chachomim instituted yerusha for a ger, there would be yibum issues, so they didn’t.
Or worse, that if his brother is a real brother from his mother that we should be Choshesh that he might do Yibum which would be an Erva. Why does Tosafos only bring up a Zekuka marrying out?
Tiferes Yaakov asks this kashya.
The Maharsha might be helpful.
In the chassidishe velt, yes.
I will add, though, that if you really think that you could say that the Ri made such (I emphasized the word such this time so that you don’t miss it) a mistake, even after 60 years, no matter how much you knew quantitatively, than I would say you are missing something MAJORLY integral to Yiddishkeit.
Have a great Shabbos, all. And keep davening for Hadar Ben Chedvah Leah.
Where in Shemoneh Perakim?
(I have nothing to add to the rest of your post, which was very interesting but had nothing to do with what I wrote.)
Yes, HaLeiVi, thank you.
Sam, “subject to interpretation” doesn’t mean you’re entitled to interpret it whichever way makes you most comfortable. As I’ve said before (and PAA flattered me by putting it into the “Good CR Quotes” thread), the truth is the truth whether or not it’s sufficiently proven to you. The fact that something which you don’t believe in , if true, is integral to Yiddishkeit, doesn’t disprove it.
In the yibum thread, you mentioned that the kasha has been in your mind for two days (you also had a very clever jab at PAA 🙂 ).
Why? Why not just say that the Ri (ch’v) made a mistake? Of course, it’s because we have a very clear mesorah that Rishonim don’t make such mistakes. That mesorah is true whether or not we can find a source in Chazal. You’ll agree, I assume, that someone who thinks the words of a Rishon can be easily dismissed if he “disagrees”, is indeed missing something integral to Yiddishkeit. Even if it disturbs and offends him.
The same can be said about a similar concept (albeit weaker) applying to more contemporary gedolim; if someone underestimates their greatness, or to what it extends, they are certainly missing something (albeit less) integral to Yiddishkeit.
Can you please source that Rambam? (L’shitoscha, if you can’t provide a source, your wrong by default 🙂 .)
“Ravina V’rav Ashi Sof Hora’ah” means later generations can’t argue. That their words are inclusive of all of Torah shebaal peh is your own unsourced and incorrect addition, which is obvious by the very existence of other, and later, forms of Torah shebaal peh. True, most are interpretations of the Gemara, but so is the concept of Daas Torah found in Chazal, subject to interpretation.
1) Your not agreeing to the responses doesn’t mean there weren’t. I can’t shove it down your throat, but at least don’t deny that we responded.
2) IIRC, I actually quoted Chazal.
3) Do you have a source in Chazal that something not appearing in Chazal can’t be true?
HaLeiVi, that’s why I stipulated with the brother’s consent. I’m keeping it simple, with one other brother, who might be maskim to split the yerushah even though technically he gets the whole thing.
I like the kasha better than any teirutzim offered here. But I’ll offer another, with the hakdamah hayadua:
The answer is pashut.
If he returns the borrowed money equally to the two brothers (with Deni’s consent) it could cause a problem. He has to return it only to Deni.