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Wisey,
Which seforim are on it, and are they “tzuras hadaf”, as is the gemara?
JMH,
No problem, and FTR, I didn’t take it personally at all, I was just advising the OP of the facts as I see them, and then trying to clarify my point.
And I agree with uneeq.
JMH,
If you’re referring to post chasunah, there are plenty. Pre-chasunah, relatively few. And my reference (glad you picked up on it) is a valid one, because people do tend to associate with like-minded and like-acting friends. So “your circles” is not a fair reference point. And I reiterate that I personally admire someone who is able to learn seriously while holding down a job. Your lumping me with the other posters was unfair.
JMH,
Your generalizing of the attitudes found in “some circles”, based on a fringe in EY and a poster here, is quite wrong.
JMH,
Why take it personally? I didn’t say you’re wrong for what you do, I just made an observation that you’re in the minority.
Redheads are not in the minority in the Red-Headed League.
Of course there are plenty of working boys, but most are not all that serious in their learning. The reason is simple. The serious learners are in yeshiva full time.
I’m sure we all know of some exceptions, but I’m referring to the majority.
It is indeed a needle in a haystack in the “yeshiva world”. You are more likely to find that type in YU, or by being willing to marry someone who will spend a few years in kollel before taking a job.
Wolf,
That’s true (although it might very well be that this “general atmosphere”atmosphere is in large part generated by one person posting under many sn).
It’s unfortunately true on occasion, that someone perceived as “more frum” is treated the same way (not by you).
BTW, did you get a chance to look up the sources I quoted on Hilchos LH?
I think it’s a lack of extreme sensitivity to wear a $40.000 watch. It’s downright assur, though, to berate someone simply for disagreeing with that idea.
Wolf, I don’t know how the moderators let these nasty, undeserved attacks against you through.
Lc,
The truth would have undoubtedly caused him more anguish.
Toi,
Got it. Certain posters’ intentionally outrageous posts, though, in my opinion, are best ignored.
Wolf,
The issur of believing LH, while simultaneously acting with caution, can be found in Chofetz Chaim klal 6, and in Guard Your Tongue chapter 6,18.
To be technically accurate, insulting someone with an anonymous screen name is probably not LH, but is probably ona’as d’vorim.
Wolf,
I thought you would respond that way. So I ask, do you think he would stay there if his brother or father were the teacher?
The bottom line is, there’s a difference between believing and suspecting, and there are many levels of suspecting.
LJ,
What’s the issur?
Wolf,
Does the father of the boy you teach leining to *believe* that you are dangerous, or is he merely excercising caution?
APY,
C’mon, that’s not fair. Although I disagree, what the OP was complaining about is ostentatious, over-the-top luxury. You can’t compare that to a trip to E.Y.
RD,
I haven’t seen the full version, but the daf yomi version has the basic tzuras hadaf of the Vilna Shas, but with just Gemara Rash”i and Tosafos, which are able to be copied and pasted.
Toi,
I’m not following how your posts were saying what you intended, but okay.
My local grocery was sold out of the Norman’s Greek Yogurt. Maybe I’ll try it next week when they restock.
In answer to the OP, I would agree with pba that we can’t know. I just want to point out that there are two elements to the bechirah. Even if he may have been incapable of choosing to not commit his horrible crime, he may have been, at some point, capable of seeking help, yet didn’t.
Re: bombmaniac’s post, I think there’s a logical flaw. To assume that a crime was caused by mental illness is not the same as assuming that mentally ill people tend to be criminals.
Toi,
What did I post that came across to you as high and mighty? “Ayin Biur HaGr”a”?
My point (as I already mentioned) wasn’t to tell anyone how to light, just to defend those who light inside against lr’s implication that they are not yotzei.
What was that in the original Yiddish?
C’mon, dafbiyun, you can’t compare a necessity to a luxury. 🙂
And changing the titles back to the originals?
ZD,
Unfortunately, without the name, there would be no building.
Since we’re reviving Popa classics…
1) The moderators have nothing to do with programming the website.
2) You’re probably using Internet Explorer. Chrome and Firefox have built in spell checkers (witch come in very handy).
1) We would not give $40,000 tzedaka so a formerly rich man can buy the Rolex he is used to wearing.
Practically speaking, no it won’t happen. But al pi halacha, we really should.
Oomis, I don’t think anyone tried to say that talmud Torah k’neged kulom refers to an exemption from other mitzvos. Ben Levi understood it to refer to the primacy of talmud Torah, and leveled an (somewhat overreaching) attack against MO for rejecting the concept. CAD then misread his statement to allow eating cheeseburgers (and I misread his wording to be kefirah).
Let’s chill out folks. There’s a lot more fighting between MO and charedi here in the CR than there is in real life.
For example, I frequent a beis medrash where one can find people wearing shtreimlach, knitted kippot, black velvet yarmulkas and fedoras, leather yarmulkas, and baseball caps (although not all on the same day – the shtreimlach are on Shabbos and the caps during the week), all davening and learning together. The people respect each other for their strengths, despite having different garb, outlooks, and occupations.
A chat room is merely a forum for ideas, but we don’t see each others’ chesed, we don’t know know how much time and effort the others put into learning and davening, etc. So naturally, we’ll see more disagreement than appreciation. But in real life, at least in my experience, things are not nearly so “black and white”.
I think I was once accused. I’m pretty sure that the accusation isn’t true, though.
CAD,
I still don’t get why you think it doesn’t say it in the Torah.
I have no idea how you dress, my reaction wasn’t to you as a person but rather to a (still) puzzling statement of yours. Is it fair to assume that I meant a personal attack because of some other negative experience which you encountered?
Put a donut in front of me, and pretty soon it’ll be nisalem min ha’ayin.
Syag, I would love for him to defend himself, and I definitely left open the possibility that he doesn’t mean what I think he means. What do you think that comment means? Do you think he’s nitpicking semantics? I would hope so, but it doesn’t look that way.
At $2 million per, he’s hardly poor. I would probably take that kind of money to be abused as he has been. Then I could afford a Rolex.
I would sum up my position on this with the observation that someone who lived his life according to the Orchos Tzaddikim would not wear a $40,000 watch, and someone who lived according to the Orchos Tzaddikim wouldn’t rant against those who wear $40,000 watches.
mewho:
i find some of the jewlry store ads obnoxious—for shalom bayis make sure to bring home a new piece of jewelry to your wife for yom tov…..what about those who cannot afford that, is the implication that without a new piece of jewelry there is no shalom bayis?
See the gemara in Shabbos (62b) that there is indeed a difference between one who can and cannot afford it.
DaMoshe,
I don’t know their shittos, but there may be a difference in opinion between different generations of Ralba”gs.
ZD,
Thanks for your reply. However, it was and still is not a valid argument, because, as WIY said, a true gadol will not offer advice about something which he is not equipped to.
There are two aspects to attributing expertise to a gadol. One works on a very practical level. Through the intensive learning of Torah, Hashem’s wisdom, he becomes sharper, wiser, and his character refined to the point that his advice is unbiased, without personal motivation.
Also, because of the responsibility of his leadership position, he researches the issues that come up frequently, and often does become an expert.
There is another aspect, the supernatural. Call it ruach hakodesh, call it siyata dishmaya, but throughout history, and there’s evidence that it still exists today, Hashem has allowed gedolim to see beyond what we would expect through natural means. Chasidim tend to stress this aspect, “litvaks” tend to stress the first aspect, but there’s truth to both.
This does not mean that gedolim are infallible. It does mean, though, that you’ve got a good chance of getting a wise, informed, caring answer from a gadol, with some siyata dishmaya.
Examples of times that gedolim were “proven wrong” do not negate this fact, just as a doctor occasionally missing a diagnosis does not mean he’s a horrible doctor, or that a patient is better off self diagnosing.
The frum people eat there on Shabbos?
Seriously, why can’t an establishment owned by a non-Jew be open on Shabbos? He has no obligation to keep Shabbos. If the kashrus certifying agency is able to make sure that all of their standards are kept (which may indeed be more difficult, but not impossible), then it’s doable.
Personally, I’d prefer to eat in an establishment which both has an owner who is shomer Shabbos and a yarei shomayim, and has a strong hechsher as well.
DaMoshe,
Why do you call out a hate filled post directed against MO, but not one directed against Satmar?
WIY,
Are you fabulously wealthy? If not, al tadin es chavercha ad shetagia limkokmo.
As others have pointed out, there is nothing inherently assur about buying expensive luxuries. Is it praiseworthy for someone, even if wealthy, to live a relatively simple life? Will it reduce jealousy, and possibly leave more money available for more important things? I would agree that the answer to these questions is “yes”.
I don’t think, though, that someone should be degraded or looked down upon for not acting with what is essentially a midas chassidus.
Emunas Chachamin IMO does not mean i would trust a Gadol to perform brain surgery on me.
That’s straw man argument, because a gadol who is unqualified would not perform brain surgery. In fact, I have never heard of a gadol who performed brain surgery (although the Chazon Ish famously mapped out a plan for surgery which a skilled, practiced surgeon carried out successfully).
Part of emunas chachomim is trusting them that they won’t overestimate their abilities.
I just noticed this. Mazel Tov MiddlePath! May you build a bayis ne’eman b”Yisrael, and may you and your kallah share many healthy years together with true simchas hachaim.
Health,
Read this post:
“”As for where it states what I said.
Meshes Peah” (Ben Levi)
Thank you, So it is not in the Torah, correct?” (CAD)
and decide for yourself.
Thank you R.T. for 2nd motioning me.
In my humble opinion, the Mishna Berurah outweighs both of you together.
Oomis, I think the reason a Y”K is not mechaper on BA”LCH without mechilah is because the person hasn’t fixed the aveirah; it’s like “toivel v’sheretz b’yado”. In fact, at times, the offended is obligated to give mechilah, and the offender, having done his due diligence in [sincerely] attempting to appease, can get a kaparah from HKB”H even without mechilah from chavero. I don’t think it has anything to do with which is more chamur per se.
Surely, though, a lack of BA”LCH, even in someone who seems to display exemplary BA”LM, indicates that his BA”LM is false. I think the reverse is true to some extent as well; the ultimate bein adam lachavero is performed as part of one’s avodas Hashem, which is only sincere if it includes bein adam laMakom (assuming that it’s not deficient merely because of a lack of knowledge).
It’s definitely more pleasant to deal with someone who excels only in BA”LCH than with someone who excels only in BA”LM, but both are severely deficient.
Yes
Health,
Unless I’m misunderstanding, C-A-D doesn’t consider Torah sheba’al peh part of Torah. If Mishnayos wasn’t good enough, why would S”A be better?
The way R’ Frank said it is that it would create a michshol, not that it would be required.