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Popa,
Maariv is by definition a night tefillah, so relying on the tzad that it’s still day (and mutar to say nedava) is tartei d’sarei (which may be what Sam meant).
Who would use a plunger on Shabbos when it WASN’T important to do so? Please, people! A bissel seichel.
I’m not sure what you mean.
There is a machlokes whether plunging a toilet which is only mildly stuffed is muttar or assur on Shabbos. Most rabbonim would probably tell you that if there is another toilet available, don’t plunge it, but if there is only one available, one can rely on the lenient opinion.
What is a person with one toilet that is severely oversytuffed early on Shabbos to do?
I assume it would be muttar to ask a non-Jew.
I davka did not draw any lines
You davka did – you do not sanction exclusion from the siyum, but would from a yom ha’atzmaut parade or education conference.
Jewish unity,
The point ‘far east’ is trying to make
I don’t know what (s)he meant, I only know what (s)he said.
I also don’t think that it’s okay to publicly shame someone; I was only demonstrating the absurdity of far east’s argument.
Nobody is trying to shame R’ Lau, but because the siyum is b’rabbim, great care must be taken to keep hashkafos pure, and, apparently, in the Vishnitzer Rebbe’s view, attending the siyum would compromise this.
if it is necessary to say a second S”E for a missed tefila, as I recall it must be said immediately upon concluding the first S”E.
L’chatchilah.
Otherwise the opportunity is missed.
M”B (108:15) concludes that one should daven; the opportunity is not missed.. He advises that the second tefillah be a nedava b’tnai.
Popa,
Because who says you can’t daven a nedava on Friday afternoon after you were mekabel shabbos?
I don’t understand your question. Which of the following two statements are you questioning?
1) We don’t say nedava on Shabbos.
2) One must keep all of the halachos of Shabbos after accepting it (any time after plag).
An argument I could hear is that we only don’t allow Mincha after being m’kabel Shabbos is because you can anyhow daven two Maarivs; since doesn’t apply here, one can daven Mincha. I don’t find this mistaver, though.
No troll thread yet. MB 108:36 is talking about where it is already night probably. In my case, it was still daytime.
OK, but why wouldn’t the issur of t’fillas nedava still apply?
As far as Mincha is concerned, see Mechaber 263:15 (and M”B 59 that he is referring to where it’s still daytime).
when I answer the phone, to “hey do you guys have……..” I usually hang up on them. In todays day & age when Chutzpa rules, it seems OK to do that.
Even in today’s day and age, it’s rude to hang up on somebody,
and if I were your boss, I’d probably fire you for it.
PBA,
usually do not have an addiction
Yes, but some do. Bustercrown may wish to contact them to diagnose his issue.
Also, I think Guardyoureyes is not only about addictions, it also deals with regular shmiras ha’einaim (especially internet related).
From the home page of their site:
Bustercrown,
If you get to that point, you can contact Guardyoureyes (I think they may even list some on their website, otherwise you can email them), but the first step would be for him to recognize that he has a problem.
Jews should be able to hold whatever their like and we shouldnt judge them.
Then you shouldn’t judge anyone who feels it’s proper to publicly shame Zionists. After all, you hold they’re entitled to that opinion.
does anyone actually hold that Zionism-probable depending on how you define it-is necessarily K’fira
I don’t have a source, and I’m really not fluent in the Zionist-anti Zionist debate, but I believe that there are those who consider it kefirah.
Shlishi,
Sam2 merely meant that common custom in this case is not like the M”B.
Many Poskim say to avoid T’fillos Nedava altogether nowadays because we can’t always have Kavana properly
For the sake of nedava, you’re right. When it’s to avoid a shailah (such as our case), I’ve seen that we do.
R’ Chaim Kanievsky in Shoneh Halachos does not bring the opinion not to repeat.
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http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=49174&st=&pgnum=411&hilite=
The mishne berurah is not “machria’
It seems to me that he was machria, to repeat Shemone Esreh with a t’nai that if he doesn’t need to, it should be a t’filas n’dovoh.
42,
Machlokes haposkim, if it’s not badly stuffed. A severely stuffed toilet is assur even according to the meikilim.
MDG,
According to your interpretation, the word “charedi” and the color of the shirt had no place in his post.
Sam2,
Just like I would say it’s Sinas Chinam to refuse to recognize a valid Halachic opinion.
So if you refused to recognize the opinion which considers Zionism to be k’firah as valid, would you be guilty of sinas chinom?
ZD,
When someone goes on a public forum and bashes groups of sincere Jews, it’s not a kiddush Hashem.
I’ve heard some decent S’varos Le’esor
What have you heard?
What exactly does Moshiach or anything jewish have to do with the Colorado shooting.
When we hear of tragic events, we are supposed to be frightened into doing teshuvah, will will hopefully bring the geulah closer.
What about the fact that it’s assur to wash the floor on Shabbos, and the toilet, being m’chubar l’karka (attached to the ground) is considered part of the floor?
So, in other words, you’ll agree that they’re not infallible, but, nonetheless, give them functional infallibility (i.e. treat them as if they are right, even if everyone else agrees that they’re wrong).
The Wolf
Who’s everyone else?
ROB,
You write, “that to learn in a kollel and to rely upon the Tsibbur- is a unique situation (my sons never took money from the tsibbur)and should be reserved to a few”, and, “selected individuals”. That is an improvement over what you wrote earlier, “let NOT ONE AVREICH take a penny from the medinah and they will be free from serving”.
Hopefully, you’ll soon come around to what R’ Moshe writes, “??? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ??????? ????? ???? ?”?”.
You wrote, “see what the Rambam writes about people using Torah to earn a livin-“
To which choppy responded, “The Ramah and Shach in Hilchos Talmud Torah says that nowadays you’re allowed to live off tzedakah to learn Torah.”
Part of your response was, “if yo ulearn the Remlo properly and the shach,yo uwill see that they totally support my ivew on this”.
Do you see how R’ Moshe didn’t learn it like you?
ROB,
I’m not an MK. Are you? 🙂
It’s not tenable, though, unless the draft is abolished.
Also, better still would be if all Yidden living in E.Y. appreciated Torah learning, and supported serious talmidei chachomim properly.
I haven’t had time to read all of the posts here (and I may not have time to respond), but from what I saw, it seems your approach is the exact opposite of R’ Moshe’s, in IG”M Y.D. (2) 116. Please take a look and let me know what you think.
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=919&st=&pgnum=188&hilite=
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anybody else ever sample chicken feet?
Yep.
I just saw a shpitz yeshivish guy check out himself in a mirror for a long time, especially fixing his hair. Isnt that a little strange?
A shpitz yeshivish guy doesn’t have enough hair to fix.
ROB,
It would be more acceptable than the situation is now.
Sam2,
Yes, I thought that’s what you meant, and I agree (it’s much easier that way, we don’t have to make statistical and historical comparisons between tzaros, lo aleinu).
You were overly kind, though, in explaining ZD’s comments that way.
since obviously an Eved would not have been wearing the Levush Yehudi of a Fedora and Sportscoat
I’ve seen many Canaanim dressed that way.
It is for the generation to choose it’s Manhigim.
Not through discussion; it kind of happens m’meila, and certainly not online in an anonymous forum.
Sam2,
One could make the argument that all of history has been a wake up call for us, and now, as always, we must react to the frightening world events and do teshuva.
But so far, I think you’re the only one in this discussion to make that argument (albeit indirectly).
MDG,
If there were only nine others, he probably should remain to be the tenth (according to some shittos, it’s not considered tefillah b’tzibbur unless all ten daven, so he probably should daven with them).
Englishman,
The problem is davening inappropriately clad bichlal. Since he will do that any way, he should daven with a minyan.
Avi,
You’d have to find something more current than that.
Englishman,
It’s valid to quote what R’ Chaim has to say on the matter. I just don’t want to see people expressing their own opinions on who should or shouldn’t be the manhig hador.
I’m not sure why the Biur Halacha needed to quote the Derech Hachaim; in the PM”G it seems clear that he assers after R”C.
I found, though, in R’ Simcha Bunim Cohen’s sefer, that the Maharam Shick understood that the PM”G was mattir even after R”C.
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1495&st=&pgnum=251 (third paragraph down)
R’ Cohen brings other mareh m’komos to be meikil as well.
So, although we may wish to be machmir, it’s not something for which we can consider him an avaryan.
Sam2,
I will double check. (You are likely referring to the Biur Halacha in 551, quoting the Derech Chaim’s pshat in the PM”G. I seem to remember that some argue, though.)
PBA,
#1 should have precluded a #2.
This is not a glatt issue with a simple answer.
According to your own moshol, it is. Should the people holding up the dam get up, because others are too simplistic to see that they are averting catastrophe?
Are we having elections? (IOW, I don’t see anything productive coming out of this discussion.)
Who even says he’s a mechalel Shabbos? Aren’t we mechuyav to be dan l’kaf z’chus that he doesn’t perform until after tzeis?
And what’s wrong with him performing during the nine days? He’s not doing it for fun, he’s doing it for money.
That’s just my smart-aleck way of poking fun at the bochurim that are not doing the job they were sent here to do.
Yes. I know.
If they had less carefree time on their hands, and were as focused on cementing a career as are their female counterparts, they’d have less time to spend preening.
Or, better still, if they were focused on avodas Hashem.
Sorry, I misstated. The ??? ????? quotes the ????? ????? ????? in R’ Chaim’s name.
ROB,
I gave you my choice- be free to learn and avoid the army but dispense with the financing.
That choice is not currently available. The chareidi yeshiva bochur/yungerman is, for all intents and purpose, barred from anything else other than full time enrollment in yeshiva because the army is spiritually toxic, and he can’t work without having served.
What you are essentially saying is, “I won’t allow you to earn money, and I won’t support you”. You can’t have it both ways.
You also are in stark disagreement with the gedolei Yisroel who consider the large number of yeshivaleit learning today to be a great z’chus which protects the whole tzibbur, and that learning is certainly worthy of financial support either way.
Sam2,
R’ Chaim is also quoted in the sefer ????? ????? ?????, quoting the sefer ??? ?????, as giving precedence to a hat (and it specifically says hat).
I know, likut seforim aren’t always reliable, but when you have multiple sources, there’s more credibility.
Wolf,
No, not based on actual observation, because they generally only saw the defect after the animal died.
Obviously, if a high percentage of animals which had a visible halchic defect lived more than a year, that would make the position of “treifa eina chaya” untenable. Since you likely agree that Chaza”l weren’t simpletons (although we might disagree about their infallibility in matters of metzius), I think we can assume that this is not what occurred.
Surely there is more to this question. Isn’t the obvious answer, to go home, get your hat and jacket, and daven with the next minyan?
Correct. The question assumes that there is no later minyan available.
Although I would personally wait for my hat and jacket even if it meant davening b’yechidus (as per my R”Y, an adam gadol and posek, who told me so), there are certainly grounds to argue. Either way, you are correct that according to all of the opinions mentioned, one would be required to go get his hat and jacket and find a later minyan, and not daven at a more convenient minyan without his hat and jacket. Tzitz Eliezer, however, has grounds to be meikil further, based on the fact that it is no longer typical to wear a hat in front of a human king.
Let me get this straight – you believe that oen should daven b’yechidus WITH a hat, rather than in a minyan without one? We are always taught to daven in a minyan, because while our own zechuyos may not be sufficient for Hashem to answer our tefilos with a “yes” it may be that someone else who is davening is VERY worthy, and in his zechus Hashem will show Rachamim to the less worthy person as well.
It’s okay, Oomis, you don’t ned to wear a hat to daven. 🙂
And yes, this is a serious shaila. Although Rav Elyashiv is quoted as saying that it’s more important to daven b’tzibbur, R’ Chaim is quoted as holding the reverse, and he is not the only one who holds this way.
MorahRach,
I happen to agree that pointing out a silly grammatical mistake is disruptive to a thread, (and I think, although I could be mistaken, that the comments regarding the grammar of your OP were meant to highlight this) and could be hurtful if the thread is about a sensitive issue, or if the object of the correction is sensitive.
It’s interesting that you were not referring to the specific poster whose grammatical correction you objected to in a recent thread.
Mazel tov on the baby, have much nachas, and enjoy the trest of your summer as well.