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Thank the Ribbono Shel Olam (and have extra Kavanna during Bentching) that you are not so desperate for money that you need to be Mitztarech L’Briyos, let alone embarass others into giving you, which (IIRC, I would have to look up the source and ask for help here) has the Din of Gezel.
but the same people polled after they entered the workforce many had become Conservative.
Of course! When they didn’t have money they wanted it from others, and now that they were making money they didn’t want to give it away!
Thanks for taking care of what needed to be taken care of.
G@W
Doesn’t sound like you actually learned in Bais Yaakov. This is simply the battle cry of any anti-Bais Yaakov.
Suprisingly, I agree. A Bais Yaakov (such as BJJ in Israel, or (I would imagine) Bais Yaakov D’Rav Meir in Brooklyn) does not “brainwash”, as in subliminally and continuously direct/presume someone in the direction wanted with statements like “When you marry a Kollel Man…..”. That is left to the Sems.
Brainwashing – It’s NOTHING compared to college.
Which college did you go to that attempted brainwashing? What was your major? Islamic studies?
PBA: Based on her requirements, that is what fits. I agree that HU is not the best place for an aspiring Bais Yaakov Girl. Truthfully, as we agree, Sem is useless, overrated and damaging to Yiddishkeit B’Klal, U’Biprat. Just stay home and go to Stern.
Thanks.
writersoul: The answer for you is to go to an accredited Israeli College for a year, and go to religious courses in English at night (if you so desire). You can do some research, but I would think that Hebrew University credits (from the actual college program) would be accepted by any major US College.
gavra at work- The pizza shop in denver is good but it has very crazy hours. The joke is that its open from 7:00 to 7:01.
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Chicago is also quite expensive.
Might I suggest Eretz Yisroel (How about Haifa?) If not that, how about Atlanta, Cleveland or St. Louis? Denver also has great views and some very good Kosher Pizza.
You shouldn’t paint the entire Five Towns with one brushstroke; Lawrence is very different than Hewlett, for example.
Funny you say that. My relative in the “Five Towns” tells me that housing in Far Rockaway proper is significantly more expensive than Lawrence. Something to do with Real Estate taxes, and the more “Yeshivish” crowd wanting to live in Far Rockaway, driving the prices up.
Sem is one of the major things that is destroying Klal Yisroel today. Besides for being a waste of money, it has a large part in the divorce crisis (due to insane expectations) and not a small part in the shidduch crisis.
That being said, “old man” is correct that it isn’t a bad idea to spend some time in Eretz Yisroel, & Torah is also not incorrect that a girl should continue to learn (Halacha, not Radak) throughout her life. But a Bais Yaakov type brainwashing Sem? Feh.
Oxymoronic screen name for Internet use:
Israeli Chareidi
You made me smile 🙂
An article in the Daily Telegraph stated that a woman was denied entry into England at some time prior to 2007 for giving her reason for visiting as wanting to go to Gateshead. “British visa officials ruled this as “not credible”.
(Wikipedia)
No. 1. The fact that they don’t have a Torah education that teaches “Torah protects” is Not the Charedim’s fault -it’s their fault that these Chilonim don’t want to learn any Torah, but if they wanted to there is ample opportunity in EY to learn Torah.
So the Truth is the Charedim learning Torah are doing more than their fair share.
I happen to (personally) like this argument. Good luck convincing a non-Charaidi Jew that Charadim are correct because the Charaidi lifestyle is the correct one.
Troll.
where did everyone go?
Crivens! Bigjobs!
PBA: After a thread like this one:
You have to expect that. Sorry if you don’t agree.
WHO CARES what is happening, may happen etc. – Hashem is running the show, and all we can and must do is follow da’as Torah i.e. strengthen our Torah and mitzvos etc. and daven. Everything else – the politics; what’s happening; what could happen; what we’d do if it would happen, etc. is all thoroughly irrelevant, and is pure Bittul Torah for which we will accomplish one thing and one thing only – giving power to the Satan.
Unfortunately, not everyone has Bitachon.
GAW: I disagree with you about the reading. Parak me’al tzavaro means they decide not to engage in productive activity, and rely on the community like the leviim, as I noted.
Like all good Satire, PBA does a good job in convincing us that he means this (even though he is obviously incorrect as far as the words are concerned. If he is given, he has no need to be Zoche.).
akuperma: With all due respect, there are halachic ramifications as per what is “halachicly” considered “money”, even vs. “Shave Kesef” (such as the actual value of a Perutah, or being Mekadesh an Isha with an FRN, or Pidyon of Ma’aser Shaini).
I’m not dealing with the Rambam (which I believe I have sufficently in my response to PBA. I also believe (IIRC) that the Gaon in Yorah Dayah (246.9) makes your point regarding a wealthy society.
Besides, I believe it is Muchrach like you, as the Rambam did not deal with Tuition payments (re: the Ramabam in Talmud Torah 1:14).
They bartered using commodities, goods, and pieces of rare metals (gold, silver and copper in particular- which are really just commodities).
Kefirah. The Torah defines money (as per the Gemorah Kiddushin) as a certain value of silver (or gold, as per the Machlokes in HaZahav). That is “Money”, and FRNs, NIS or Wampum is not.
Period.
So your saying ethics aside I am at his mercy.
“Ethics” says he doesn’t have to pay you for Pesach.
This would be particularly disastrous for Israel, whose army is largely funded the US.
Aderaba, it would be wonderful for Eretz Yisroel and Yidden all over. Besides, the Ann Randist would hurt American Yeshivos way more than he could possibly hurt Eretz Yisroel.
PBA: If the Charaidim were on that level, the they wouldn’t be complaining about the coalition and not getting funding. They are obviously NOT
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Perhaps a select few are (such as Rav Chaim), but not the Hamon Am.
I get paid for the whole Pesach and don’t have to come into work. From an objective ethical standpoint, do I have to come into work the Sunday before if my boss asks me to?
Who pays you for Pesach? The boss? The boss can change that as well if he/she desires.
Is water wet?
Symphony #8. Shostakovich.
Dark, like this world.