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HaLeiViParticipant
Coffee your follow-up was not mentioned in your original post but you did ask this previously. And I believe I responded then as well.
The time of the calamity is the time for us to pay attention enough to care about and internalize the loss. Are you truly suggesting that instead of Chazal making a day of mourning they should have made another purim to give mishloach manos?
Besides, it is a mistaken notion to think that the whole Galus is all about sinas chinam. It does say that that is why the Bais Hamikdash was destroyed, just like the first one was because of the three sins. However, that is not too say that it’s all that is necessary.
It’s obviously an important lesson of how serious Sinas Chinam is, and it’s a pretty good time to avoid it, but it’s not a day of friendship. You got all year for that.
July 7, 2023 11:22 am at 11:22 am in reply to: The final word on Moshiach from the meisim (hopefully!) #2206382HaLeiViParticipantSpeaking of final word, I never did hear a solid pshat on why the Gemara picked Daniel of all great people of all time.
Some suggestions: Due to his equivalence to Noach and Iyov, that he can survive on his own merits; we find him more than others being very concerned about the Geula, and his many prophecies in this regard; he is a quasi-Navi of Davidic lineage, although not the only one; there is no clear reference to his death, which might suggest a suspension of life waiting to be continued, although he is not unique in this regard; we are told by Mekubalim that his Nevua was of higher origin but a lower plane than all Neviim.
HaLeiViParticipantIt’s a little bit of both, and would often depend on the prevalent Minhag.
HaLeiViParticipantIf you believe in the cause, and you don’t mind putting in a second one, why not? If you’re treating it like a lottery, with a tinge of Tzedaka, I think a second ticket has a very small impact. Once your chance of winning is anyhow below 1%, you are depending more on your luck than your chance.
HaLeiViParticipantI believe you can do it online, unless you need to have the new one already.
HaLeiViParticipant…The sound of something being above your head…
HaLeiViParticipant“As for Zionists being a mythical creature, you’re just being absurd. Would you also say that to someone who self-identifies as a religious zionist?
We can all picture the archetypal zionist…”
That’s a group, not really a movement. There’s no goal, no capturing the imagination, definitely not contagious, and they’re religious anyhow. I do not agree with how they put the state as a central Jewish piece, which puts them out there as one amongst many groups that I/we feel are somewhat misguided to varying degrees.
There really is no threat today, and Zionism per se is gone ever since the actual Zionist movement accomplished their goal. Fighting them, warning about them, is as important as being wary of corporeal theology.
HaLeiViParticipantThe old time discussions always ended up getting closed. I guess they overheated. I was hoping we can give it a shot without that happening.
Speaking of which, avoid things like “you’re just being absurd”, and cut to the chase.
HaLeiViParticipantWow. Someone was just Motzi Shem Ra on an undisputed Gadol BiYisroel right here? I would expect this on Twitter. But are we really going to stoop to Gedolim bashing here?
Besides for the obvious false connection being drawn, to accuse a Gadol of hypocrisy and then to mess with the Torah as a cover-up, is the most hideous post in this site.
Who’s next? The Ramban Paskenned things to make his mother-in-law happy? Do we stop at Amoraim, Tannaim, Neviim?
HaLeiViParticipantUjm, it’s a movement to do what?
HaLeiViParticipantAvira, I can’t go and look it up now. It was a while back. But it was a response to a fanatical anti-Zionist.
HaLeiViParticipantNeville, you wrote: “So you would say there’s no point in opposing communism today?”
You misunderstood the point there. All communist countries refer to their government as “the revolution”. This self-entitles them to a perpetual state of emergency, and anyone spreading wrong think is accused of counter-revolutionary behavior. But, we all know that once the revolution takes the reigns they are the government, and not the revolution anymore.
Likewise, Zionism was an ideology to move all Jews to Israel and establish a homeland. There is no such movement anymore. Now there is a country. When it was an actual, contagious movement, it caught people’s imagination and supplanted any other ideology — including Yiddishkeit itself — with the Zionist ideology. That was a real, actual threat; not a vort.
HaLeiViParticipantMidwesterner, the Genata in Brachos says that a Tzaddik can’t become a Rasha. Then, the Gemara asks your question from Yochanan Cohen Gadol and ends up saying that it is a Machlokes whether it is the same person.
In Yoma 38 the Gemara says that once most of a person’s life went by without an Aveira he won’t go bad. There, the Gemara doesn’t ask anything. I found the Yismach Moshe, referenced in Yoma on Sefaria. The Yismach Moshe is in Re’eh.
רבי אליעזר בנו של ר’ יוסי הגלילי אומר מי לחשוך כו’. נ”ל דהנה במקום אחר אמרו חז”ל (ברכות כ”ט.) אל תאמין בעצמך עד יום מותך, שהרי יוחנן כהן גדול שימש בכהונה גדולה שמונים שנה ולבסוף נעשה צדוקי, אלמא דהשי”ת אין מוחה ואין מונע להבחירה בשום פעם. ובמקום אחר דרשו על פסוק (שמואל א’ ב ט) רגלי חסידיו ישמור, כיון שעברו רוב שנותיו של אדם ולא חטא, שוב לא יחטא (יומא דף ל”ח:). והדברים נראין כסותרין את עצמן. וי”ל דממכשול שוגג, השי”ת שומרו דחטא היינו שוגג, אבל אם רוצה להרשיע במזיד, השי”ת אינו מבטל הבחירה.
He also answers that Hashem would protect him from a regular Aveira, but if he deviates in Hashkafa then he can still go sour. Similar to a תוהה על הראשונות who loses his earlier merit.
HaLeiViParticipantI don’t know what was meant by “quasi-Zionist”. There is no Zionism just like there is no communist revolution. It happened: they got their state. There’s a country called Israel, in Eretz Yisroel, that houses about half the world’s Jews.
Whether or not you subscribe to 1930’s Zionism has no impact on bring pro-Israel or pro-Palastinian, other than the forces of bias.
Most Ashkenazy Gedolim took the view that although it may not have been good to start, once it’s here it is a legitimate country. That is how the Steipler says it.
The strength, parameters, and application of the Oaths are very not clear. The repulsion of all Rabbonim to the Zionist groups was because of their supplanting the Torah with Zionism.
Either way, it is a weird obsession to get all upset about a dead cult.
HaLeiViParticipantOne minute. Is that “they” or “we”?
HaLeiViParticipantI meant Sam2. We had Sam4 as well, though…
HaLeiViParticipantThose good times… We had Srulik, Sam4, oh, and myself.
HaLeiViParticipantThis is a conversation befitting the Bais Medrash of Rebbi Shimon. But דין גליא רזיא.
HaLeiViParticipantI am grateful for each additional year that I learnt in Kollel. Each year makes a tremendous difference that will have a lasting impact, long after you must leave.
Eventually I did have to leave, when rent and other things piled up, small side jobs were sparse and and opportunity came up. But it was really כפורש מן החיים. However those ten years gave me the ability to remain at the Gemara first and my job second.
Nothing compares to Kollel learning utilized well: not being a שואל ומשיב, מגיד שיעור, רב, or even a ראש ישיבה.
HaLeiViParticipantJust like one of the reasons given (רבינו בחיי) is that it is a refutation of idol worship, today too it would the the wild ideas bounced around.
HaLeiViParticipantIt’s from a publicized AI response, and Joseph decided to share it with us.
HaLeiViParticipantIt would sound to me that והשב is Yosef now, and ישיב is Eisav at the time of the עשרה הרוגי מלכות when it was stated that they are avenging Yosef.
January 8, 2023 8:25 pm at 8:25 pm in reply to: Haredim denounce Ben Gvir Temple Mount provocation #2154853HaLeiViParticipantN0mesora, although we are sure we can steer clear of the Makom Hamikdosh, I do think Akuperman is right that you can’t go into Har Habayis for a walk. They would be like קפנדריא.
Also, being that no one looks out טומאות יוצאות מן הגוף, you would need ז’ נקיים.
HaLeiViParticipantThat’s weird. Where do Chasidim come into this?
HaLeiViParticipantAvira, many Chasidishe Sefarim are indeed a form of Mussar or Avoda. Chabbad Sefarim are not. They are Toras Hanistar as explained by their Rebbes. That settles two issues. It gives clear explanations to the point being discussed and it is Limud.
Even other Chasidishe Sefarim are obviously Divrei Torah, as is Pirkei Avos. The only kind of Sefer I would question is something that focuses on Eitzos of how to work on a Midda. This is usually the author’s life-advice, and could just as well have come from Benjamin Franklin. (Include all disclaimers)
HaLeiViParticipant“as the taz lists it together with science and math, as chochmos.”
Resorting to trickery again? That was in reference to those topics that should wait until a person is ready (according to some, that includes having learned Kaballa). You are trying to fool people into thinking that he is saying what you are. That surely isn’t Limud Hatorah.
HaLeiViParticipantAlways_Ask_Questions, are you trying to trick people now? Is that what we’re down to? Do you want to conflate every other reference to Rebbi Shimon as well?
HaLeiViParticipantBy the way, chabad yeshivos learn 3 hours chassidus, and 7 hours nigla. So no need to worry chassidus “eating up” our nigla. We view chassidus as equally important b’eichus but we also learn it secondary b’kamus.
Sounds like nice apologetics, but the Seder Hayom posted in Lubavitcher Yeshivos that I have seen show a different story.
HaLeiViParticipantbut, a Rebbe also? that’s a chidush – only R Shimon was like that.
Not only R Shimon. Anyone like him. And not someone “like him”, but someone like him in this regard. Not so hard.
HaLeiViParticipant“
The Magid’s yartzeit, and it’s connection to the Chag Hageulah is a focal point in all the Rebbe’s sichos on the subject as well as a cliche talking point in practically every 19 Kislev farbrengen.
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Yes, it’s true that I haven’t been to a Yat Kislev Farbrengen, but you do seem to portray the Yahrzeit as a point of the story of the Bal Hatanya’s redemption, not quite a celebration of the Maggid’s Yahrzeit itself.
HaLeiViParticipantamiricanyeshivish, you say, “[I]n the non chasidish world… someone who is modern or just plain not acting frum knows that he (or she) isn’t up to par in their Yiddishkeit. I don’t think that is as much the case by the chasidishe society. It is just one big club.”
This is a very outsider’s perspective which boggles the insiders’ minds. I guess it’s like how all members of a foreign race look alike. But I recall how the Chasidim in my Yeshiva couldn’t get over how the non-Chasidish would conflate the Eidel, soft-spoken Chunyoks in Beis Medrash with the guys who don’t know the color of its walls.
HaLeiViParticipant“
teachings of chassidus (or kabbalah as you call it)
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Something is odd about this phrase, and the one that follows — which practically renders the Nefesh Hachaim a Chasidishe Sefer. I guess the יסוד ושרש עבודה is also?
Anyhow, some basic definitions are necessary.
HaLeiViParticipantעירובין נד.
אמר ליה שמואל לרב יהודה שיננא חטוף ואכול חטוף ואישתי דעלמא דאזלינן מיניה כהלולא דמירש”י
חטוף אכול – אם יש לך ממון להנות עצמך אל תמתין עד למחר שמא תמות ושוב אין לך הנאה:
כהלולא דמי – היום ישנו ולמחר איננו דומה לחופה שהולכת מהר:This is brand new Hashkafa, that your money is not yours. Yes, there are Mitzvos to do with your money. I’m sure that a Yid with a חזקת כשרות did those Mitzvos. Telling someone he should have given money away, just because he spent it on himself, shows an attitude akin to the Wallstreet protesters. No, this person got ברכת השם and he isn’t stingy but is able to spend it to his benefit.
If you want someone to give Tzedaka and feel that he can afford it, speak Divrei Chizuk, convince him of the cause, and realize that he doesn’t owe you anything.
And now traveling to an interesting vacation became the mark of gluttony? No, bantering on how others could have spent their own money is the mark of jealousy. Calm down. It’s only עולם הזה.
HaLeiViParticipantBy the way, to quote Sheshes Yamim as an Issur or Chiyuv, is מגלה פנים בתורה שלא כהלכה.
If you need to, go quote יומם ולילה לא ישבותו, which is at least mentioned by Chazal for such a purpose.
HaLeiViParticipantPlease stop telling people what they could have done with their money. It’s their money to spend, as the Gemara tells us, האי עלמא לבי הילולא דמיא. No, they aren’t looking for a money receptacle. They are looking for vacation and they Baruch Hashem have the money to spend on it. Again: theirs, not yours.
This is few steps away from the communist mindset, of deciding if people deserve their own money.
Rabbi Reisman, on the other hand, was advising people on where and how to do what they set out to do.
HaLeiViParticipantNodel, you seriously misunderstood something there.
Also, quoting some Leytzanus from a Rosh Yeshiva doesn’t necessarily make him look good. You really think this Minhag started on its own?
Why don’t we say Tachnun on Rosh Chodesh? Is our Mekor an Aggadeta Gemara? If so, does it end there?
HaLeiViParticipantAgreeing with Shimon Nodel. There are way too many variables to address, even in a general way.
HaLeiViParticipantAviraDeArah, where have you seen anyone celebrating the Yahrzeit of the Mezritcher Maggid?
It’s actually odd to me that in Lubavitch they call this day the Rosh Hashanah of Chasidus all the while ignoring the fact that it’s the Mezritcher Maggid’s Yahrzeit.
HaLeiViParticipantIt’s a very clichéd response, often spouted as a knee-jerk reaction to something you aren’t personally in the mood of discussing at the moment.
Any disagreement can evoke emotions, whether or not it’s the biggest issue.
Also, this is often used to degrade the importance of what is “merely” a Mitzva but doesn’t make anyone rich. Whether or not you use it in such instances, just realize whom your audience is associating your position with.
HaLeiViParticipant“
Blinken for his part said that the US would judge Isreal based on it’s policies not based on who is in it’s next government
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I actually find this language offensive. Are we “judging” Spain? Are we “judging” England, or France? What is he, Israel’s parole officer?
HaLeiViParticipantI don’t know that we can control this. We never did control our destiny. There’s a down side to both, ignoring and complaining.
HaLeiViParticipantAvira, I haven’t seen or heard of anyone describing the Ibn Ezra as being influenced from the outside. He doesn’t really invoke outside ideas. Even his focus on Pshat is not the issue as much as the seemingly direct negation of the Medtash.
Nevertheless, he was well respected among the Rishonim. And likely, his take on Medrash is a bit misunderstood.
HaLeiViParticipantSholom D, less frightening, but still disturbing is that you address my position without reading it.
HaLeiViParticipantGadolhadorah, that’s just silly, and of course very unoriginal. And it can be applied to everything. Let the NY Times publish antisemitic content, the reader will discern. Teach our kids Spinoza, and they’ll automatically reject the non Kosher ideas. Teach them Marx, expose them to drugs and rock n roll, allow some Rumspringa, oh and teach them Torah for sure. They’ll be back. You’ll see.
Seriously.
And even worse is when the ideas are not clearly out of scope, and would be swallowed up without issue.
HaLeiViParticipantLogician, I can understand the uneasiness. However, that can warrant a fiery speech to those within your sphere of influence. This is much further than that.
What you say about Rabbonim getting other Rabbonim to sib, is unfortunately true. But it shouldn’t be that way. To the reader, a signature on a notice means that the signatory was motivated enough to write this notice, not that that he mely agrees with the message
HaLeiViParticipantAre you indeed Yeshivish? I don’t want to shock you, but the title of the Sefer is HaAmeik Dovor, which means “delve into the matter”, not “the Emek Davar”
If you can’t get the name right, I cant take your opinion seriously.
This is immature. Deal with the substance rather than pouncing on a memory lapse.
HaLeiViParticipantNot straw man but grasping at straws. Who is supplanting Rashi? It’s a wild claim. Why does their basic explanation require an earlier source if it just basic?
One widely touted example is the cooking of the lentils. Rashi quotes the Medrash that the lentils were to mourn the passing of Avraham Avinu. Obviously that is not the actual technical translation of the words of the Pasuk. And so, although obviously we’re aware of the back story given by the Medrash, there is room to express that the most basic reading is simply as someone cooking food.
Personally, I think they should have skipped that, since there is nothing to explain, but so be it.
This is perfectly in line with the Rashbam, who writes that the Drash is the main thing but the words do have a meaning without it, and it is worth devoting some time to understand that too. In fact, he writes that Rashi agreed surg him, and said that had he had more time he would have done the same.
HaLeiViParticipantUnfortunately, the ban looks to me to be wholly unwarranted.
Yes, Rashi will often give you the Drush, especially when it doesn’t go against the flow of the Pasuk, and when it seems obvious that something is being hinted to. Still, what if someone decided to focus on the basic interpretation of the words? Nothing wrong, and plenty of Rishonim did just that.
The complaints sound like poor excuses.
HaLeiViParticipantBa’avod Reshaim Rina only applies to נתמלא סאתם, when they are full-fledged, through and through evil. Even then, if you have the choice you should obviously choose to daven that they repent.
Even someone deserving מיתה deserves compassion. ברור לו מיתה יפה. They do everything to minimize the suffering. They also fast. Torture is never an option.
The way prisoners are abused in this country is despicable. It is hard to rally for this cause, since people have this notion that once someone earned his way into jail he deserves absolutely anything that comes his way, and only hard bread every day.
HaLeiViParticipantThe idea that since someone deserves punishment anything is justifies, it’s barbaric.
I think that one significant change happened in recent history which had a big impact. That is the atomic bomb. It is the first time that humans were awe struck at their own power of destruction. Up until then, they viewed the world as big enough to handle killing your enemies and gaining their territories. But now we suddenly felt responsible for human preservation.
The Romans would have the same reaction had they been facing the potential extinction of the human race.
Another thing is that only a society that feels safe can afford to entertain ideas of civil treatment of POWs. Even then, at the hint of a threat the whike facade is up in smoke.
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