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He mentioned: “The Chazon Ish was a da’as yachid on the matter (of completing an electric circuit being a d’oraisa of boneh) .
Rav Moshe Feinstein did not agree.”I don’t think that this is clear. Rav Moshe does consider it Makka Bepatish, which is also De’oraysa. Although, it does seem from his response about hearing aids that he didn’t take this all the way.
And on the flip side, the Chazon Ish can only be applied to actually turning something on, which is akin to building. This is built upon the Chayei Adam’s considering winding a watch building, since you are making it come to life. However, most appliances these days are always on, and we are merely manipulating the circuit rather than making it come to life.
While no one would permit outright usage of electrical appliances, you can’t quite consider it Boneh — or even Makka Bepatish — anymore.
Is the the straw man thread?
anonymous Jew asked:
“Somejewiknow, So, if you lived in the United States in 1942, how would you evade the draft?”
The answer is simple, by learning in Yeshiva.
Another thing to clarify is whether or not the Hatzolah members are considered to have been transgressing anything if in their mind there was an emergency, even a ספק פקוח נפש. Is this different than performing a Bris on the wrong child, where you were doing a Mitzva — in your mind — and yet Rebbi Yehoshua says it is a חיוב חטאת. Perhaps פיקוח נפש is different since the היתר applies even to ספק פיקוח נפש, and so it shouldn’t be any less of a Safek just because there is someone who knows it is not needed.
But then, if this is so, this can ruin the היתר of calling in to cancel.
I didn’t get to see the Teshuva yet. In yhe meanwhile I was wondering how you can say to transgress a Derabanan to stop someone from doing a De’oraysa when we see from רדיית הפת that you can’t even save yourself from a De’oraysa. And the Gemara clearly says there that you surely cannot save someone else by doing a Derabanan.
However, I see that the Tosfos in Eiruvin differentiates between רדיית הפת where the one waning to prevent the De’oraysa is unrelated to the Issur, and the case in Eiruvin where the transgression is stems from your action.
Also the Shulchan Aruch rules that in the case of רדיית הפת you can indeed save yourself if it would turn out to be a full fledged חיוב חטאת.
None2, I don’t know why you try to besmerch our community this way. To say that we wcorn poor peope is totally baseless. Previous generations would be shocked to see how in our shuls the rich sit side by side with the poor, and when discussing things, poor people’s opinions are not scorned.
Every community has people who seek out those who need help. You can’t take out a mussar schmooze meant for another time and place and just plug it in anywhere.
People have no issue discussing all types of issues just for fun. Why is it that whenever someone brings up a Torah type of discussion there is such pushback? Are you really afraid that the OP or visitors will turn here when it applies to them practically? Have fun, and discuss your Svaros with whatever sources you can conjure.
Although, the only actual source that came to mind implies, as I mentioned above, that you should not call back, I imagine that circumstances beg for a way to inform them not to come. So, pretty much this is a situation where Poskim would work to figure out a way.
I mentioned Amira Le’akum. But in that case you are being Mach’shil the dispatcher to pick up the phone for a non-emergency in order to stop other people from committing a worse Melachah.
On second thought, what happens every time Hatzolah puts out a call and then scales back, they don’t announce on Shabbos that they have enough members? They obviously do. But then again, Hatzolah itself has Halachos that are based on סופו משום תחילתו. Can that really apply to non-members?
The Gemara in Shabbos 2b does not allow transgressing a Derabanan in order to spare yourself from a De’oraysa.
So, this is certainly an interesting Shaayla. When you ask a Rov about this ask about having a non-Jew calling in.
Aha, so now Hakatan will say that the world famous Rav Aron of Belz, who all great Tzaddikim of his time looked up to, formed his opinion from propaganda.
Who else are you willing to toss aside in order to help your Shitta?
Square Root, what you brought in the name of Rav Yaakov TZL os the typical viewpoint of non-Satmar Hareidim.
Always AQ, the Rambam actually does not Pasken like Shmuel. This is obvious in his Psak of not wearing armor on Shabbos as well as how he says that the Neviim are not describing Olam Habaa, so he holds like Rebbi Chanina and not Shmuel.
He merely borrowe Shmuel’s words to express that nature won’t change. But as you likely know, he believed that Nevua may 3ven return before Moshiach arrives.
For those wondering, The Satmar Rov ZTL and Rav Miller ZTL were not actually in favor of actively undoing the state, although they complained about its founders and government. But they stressed that it would be a dangerous endeavor. The Satmar Rav did say that you should Daven that it happen in a peaceful and safe manner. How that is possible, is not important for us to figure out.
Rav Miller ZTL was against Israeli concessions. He said they were dangerous.
Now, if you don’t believe that you should Daven for such a thing, and you strongly believe that the current state is a wonderful asset for Jews and Judaism, fine. But how does that turn promoters of this wish into Nazis, murderers and Rodfim?
There is a very spacious area in between the extremes. You are welcome to join normal society. In the meanwhile you may want to follow Yaakov Yosef A’s advice.
Yaakov Yosef, thanks for your wonderful response!
Bechira doesn’t mean that this world is a free-for-all. Qll it means is that people get to choose whether to do Mitzvos or Aveiros. But whether they succeed against others depends on many factors.
Historic events were never referred to by Chazal as simply yhe bad choices of our enemies.
It is obviously not something that we can imagine doing safely and reasonablely before Hashem sends Moshiach and sets him up with the correct government.
Our job is to be meritorious enough to bring about the era of Moshiach in the most pleasurable way, אחישנה. It is NOT our job to advise Hashem how He should move the pieces. And, we do a terrible job each time we think we can figure out the next step.
Actually, the Torah-centric neighborhoods aren’t suffering from antisemitism. So I guess that’s where Hashem is.
But really, this current wave, although scary, is a far cry from what we read about in past generations. Assuming and hoping it is a precursor to the final redemption, it is mild and well worth it.
We were not promised to get rich and well off on this world on an individual level, as a reward for keeping Mitzvos. The nation as a whole was promised such things, as reward for loyalty but not as payment for doing the Mitzvos.
We do know that a person earns Heavenly favor when s/he clings to Hashem, his Torah and His Mitzvos. This should translate to personal safety and success such as we find by the Avos, but none of us individuals can seriously proclaim that Hashem owes us something.
Remember: we were created to serve Hashem, not the other way around.
It seems that לוקה is Aramaic while מכה is Lashon Kodesh. The former was adopted by the later כתובים into the language, just like יקר, and became part of לשון חכמים. The Mishna always uses מלקין, לוקה.
It is unhelpful to pull quotes out of a group’s holy book to illustrate their practical position. It does not always align. For instance, there are Muslim groups who are friendly with Jews and even Israel. I’m sure they deal with their books in one way or another.
No need to look further than ourselves. When others try to oaint us as disloyal because of our Messianic hopes, we point out that practically we are not agitation for any change, but we believe that something apocalyptic will usher in a utopia in which everyone will be happy, regardless. And, if you don’t believe it will happen, you have nothing to worry about. My books don’t incriminate me, my actions do.
While pointing out that their hatred has strong roots is useful in addressing it and trying to find a solution, it does not in itself prove practical behavior throughout history. The Ottomans where pretty good for several generations, although they had these same books.
If you want to address the claims that Zionist activism brought on Arabic/Muslim hate, focus on history sources of recent centuries.
Ard, the closest non-Jew to a Yid would be a Ben Noach. They share our belief and venerations but have just not decided to accept upon themselves the covenant of the Children of Israel.
Wolfish, you write?
Is this something new?
Either way, Mazel Tov!DaMoshe, that’s the way to go!
Surely, you aren’t complaining about them having what to say.
The people who complain about the children having Divrei Torah to say at Maggid, aren’t bothered by having the podium taken from themselves, but rather because they want to just zip through Maggid.
If you would entertain your children with elucidation, they wouldn’t be so tempted so recite everything they learnt. Personally, I find it wonderful when they share insightful Divrei Torah. You can then agree, disagree, modify, add, or discuss further.
So we now have Coffee Room filibustering
Would you order pizza from a company of they don’t write “ברוך ה” on the box?
Why is it only “some say” that שלא יעלו בחומה means all at once? That’s after all the definition of עולה בחומה. In the times of Ezra the complaint was that they did not go בחומה, all at once.
Someone here seems to have misinterpreted this as breaking through a wall.
On the flip side, a half-quote from Rav Chaim Vittal is not your best bet. Why not just stick with the better ones?
Explain this: We can’t Pasken from Aggadeta, but you can Pasken against basic Pshat from a mention by Rav Chaim Vittal about the other half of those oaths.
Why would someone mix really poor excuses with valid ones?
A wind that can move that much water is stronger than a hurricane or tornado. So, nope.
What is stopping this fellow from raising money and fulfilling his own idea? Why does it need to be the one you’re working to get?
People often have wonderful ideas of what other people should be doing with their hard-to-come-by gains.
Tzedaka by guilt is extortion. When someone leans heavy on the would-be Mitzvah it causes a momentary guilt or internal battle. This is why it is deeply annoying when, after you already decided how much you’ll donate, the fundraiser keeps going. (It is also a form of Geneva according to Sefer Chasidim.)
You can tell this fellow that if he’ll donate the Shul and Aron Kodshim you’ll consider giving the Sefer that you worked to get for 5 years.
In simple terms it is ridiculous for him to pester you about this.
Are you sure that the Benjamin Franklin biography is clean?
I don’t thing Bar Kamtza was the prototypical Jew. There was obviously something wrong with the guy. I’ve seen some Sefarim pointing out the environment in which this took place, that allowed for friends and enemies. But regardless, the point of t hat whole Sugya was not to show the Sinas Chinam, but to show how a small thing can bring about calamity in dangerous times. Hence the opening: אשרי אדם מפחד תמיד.
JDB, Chazal didn’t pick Shir Hashirim as a wild example of what someone might decide to sing. The point is obvious: to use the words of Shir Hashirim, that are Kodesh Kodoshim, for his own song about his own love. Any singer who sings a Pasuk is using the words for its actual meaning. If anything, those songs that use Pesukim only for its rhythmic sounds (e.g. Vedibarta bom bom, bom bom bom) would be a case of עשאוני בניך ככנור ונבל.
“I imagine that the rabbonim of these shuls don’t want to speak up because of fear of losing mispallelim to other ships.”
That’s a fast run from Churban sensitivity to joining forces with the causes of it. Perhaps your criticism stems from a natural judgmental tendency along with some rightful sensitivity. Leave other people alone.
If it were a Halachah then you can speak up or be Me’orer. If it is a matter of sensitivity then if you have a position of authority, you are out to help people grow, and you understand that your method will help them, go ahead and give it a shot.
Judging by what we know about those times, it likely refers to faction-based hate. In other words, hate that feeds on itself, as opposed to being angry at someone because of something — which can be resolved or forgotten over time.
RebYidd23, yeah obviously his incompetence doesn’t actually bother his opponents, and they are just using any tool at their disposal. However, there is something to be said about the fact that it makes it obvious that some unelected people are getting to make important decisions thanks to this incompetence.
“I don’t think Satmar has ever suggested a realistic alternative other than pure fantasy.”
This is true. Satmar doesn’t actually advocate for any particular political move. They are simply against working with and acknowledging the state. They don’t believe it should be dismantled by Human actors.
Rav Miller was fully on board with the Satmar anti-Zionist position, yet he advocated for strong Israeli responses.
UJM, you grab the usernames like the passport agencies grab and sell the appointments?
I’m sure there are individuals who might want to help for moral, political, or monetary reasons. Very likely, they already did reach out with information. Knowing where a hostage is kept does not guarantee being able to get them out. And I sure hope that there is more going on than is publicized.
Obviously, hostages aren’t being kept in the homes of the Chasidei Umos Haolam, so they can’t take them anywhere.
There must be multiple levels, ranging from involvement and reluctant involvement to passive, indifferent, discomfort, theoretical disagreement and opposition.
More manufactured rage; a symptom of a generation devoid of actual feelings, trying to imagine what a feeling person would feel.
Mdd1, did you bother to check? LMT suggested to Google the first paragraph. I did, and found this article. I already passed it on, to bring more thanks to Hashem when people realize what a Ness just took place.
You can, of course, go on worshipping the sun.
The difference between secular Zionists and Satmar is that the secular Zionists say כחי ועוצם ידי and Satmar says כחם ועוצם ידיהם.
ARSo, why do you mix good arguments with poor ones? Take this:
“As Kol Yisrael areivim, if it means that we have to go out and get non-frum people to put on tefillin etc, why did not of the preceding Lubavicher Rebbes tell t cheir hassidim to do so? And why is tefillin more important than any other mitzvah? Why not informing people that they are not allowed to have tattoos, or any other of the many mitzvos that they unfortunately do not fulfill?”It’s obvious that our generation is faced with a scenario that was not around previously. Lubavitch aren’t the only ones involved in Kiruv. For Satmar have an Ezer Labochurim in Hungary? Was there a Keiravtuni in “the Alter Heim”, or a Kesher Nafshi?
And so you seriously think it’s a good idea to do as you proposed, to tell people off for having tattoos?
It doesn’t make sense to actually what a war in the classical sense, to change the government. But to knock out their nuclear sites and other strategic elements does make sense.
Usually, a war is fought until a there’s a treaty or a surrender. In the case of Iran it’s hard to picture either. But they do seem to actually be pretty behind Israel, and a good setback can put them in place.
Also, I don’t know the situation in Iran. It is quite likely that s regime change is easier than is appears.
That being said, I doubt this situation is meant to fully resolve before Moshiach.