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Judging by what we know about those times, it likely refers to faction-based hate. In other words, hate that feeds on itself, as opposed to being angry at someone because of something � which can be resolved or forgotten over time.
RebYidd23, yeah obviously his incompetence doesn’t actually bother his opponents, and they are just using any tool at their disposal. However, there is something to be said about the fact that it makes it obvious that some unelected people are getting to make important decisions thanks to this incompetence.
“I don�t think Satmar has ever suggested a realistic alternative other than pure fantasy.”
This is true. Satmar doesn’t actually advocate for any particular political move. They are simply against working with and acknowledging the state. They don’t believe it should be dismantled by Human actors.
Rav Miller was fully on board with the Satmar anti-Zionist position, yet he advocated for strong Israeli responses.
UJM, you grab the usernames like the passport agencies grab and sell the appointments?
I’m sure there are individuals who might want to help for moral, political, or monetary reasons. Very likely, they already did reach out with information. Knowing where a hostage is kept does not guarantee being able to get them out. And I sure hope that there is more going on than is publicized.
Obviously, hostages aren’t being kept in the homes of the Chasidei Umos Haolam, so they can’t take them anywhere.
There must be multiple levels, ranging from involvement and reluctant involvement to passive, indifferent, discomfort, theoretical disagreement and opposition.
More manufactured rage; a symptom of a generation devoid of actual feelings, trying to imagine what a feeling person would feel.
Mdd1, did you bother to check? LMT suggested to Google the first paragraph. I did, and found this article. I already passed it on, to bring more thanks to Hashem when people realize what a Ness just took place.
You can, of course, go on worshipping the sun.
The difference between secular Zionists and Satmar is that the secular Zionists say ??? ????? ??? and Satmar says ??? ????? ?????.
ARSo, why do you mix good arguments with poor ones? Take this:
“As Kol Yisrael areivim, if it means that we have to go out and get non-frum people to put on tefillin etc, why did not of the preceding Lubavicher Rebbes tell t cheir hassidim to do so? And why is tefillin more important than any other mitzvah? Why not informing people that they are not allowed to have tattoos, or any other of the many mitzvos that they unfortunately do not fulfill?”It’s obvious that our generation is faced with a scenario that was not around previously. Lubavitch aren’t the only ones involved in Kiruv. For Satmar have an Ezer Labochurim in Hungary? Was there a Keiravtuni in “the Alter Heim”, or a Kesher Nafshi?
And so you seriously think it’s a good idea to do as you proposed, to tell people off for having tattoos?
It doesn’t make sense to actually what a war in the classical sense, to change the government. But to knock out their nuclear sites and other strategic elements does make sense.
Usually, a war is fought until a there’s a treaty or a surrender. In the case of Iran it’s hard to picture either. But they do seem to actually be pretty behind Israel, and a good setback can put them in place.
Also, I don’t know the situation in Iran. It is quite likely that s regime change is easier than is appears.
That being said, I doubt this situation is meant to fully resolve before Moshiach.
UJM, and he was a male, which automatically makes him very special.
Dr. Pepper, I think you are taking politics a little too seriously. I really cannot imagine being spoken to about American politics in heaven.
While you want to make an informed vote, investing that much emotion, to the extent of demanding ????? for voting for the other party, is a real waste of human resources.
Those of us who vote Conservative have our reasons, economical, social and global. Those who vote Democrat have reasons as well. They view Republican behavior as irresponsible, uncaring, and dangerous. Both sides have weighed the options, are affected by prejudice, look away from some things in favor of others. It is clearly not out of malice.
That’s a nice take.
Otherwise, that was a very big black mark on American justice system.
The old Yishuv had to defend themselves from Arab gangs.
The Chiyuv of ?????? or of giving honor doesn’t translate right into bring superior. A king is obviously special in his position, but there are Mitzvos that are specifically set to make sure that ???? ?? ????.
I haven’t ever seen that a Kohen has a higher Neshama. On the contrary, it has been mentioned that people are ?????? as one in order to end up with all the commandments. So obviously it’s not because of the Neshama. It is an honor to Aharon and his progeny, and the Kohen is tasked with special duties and therefore deserves certain honors. If this causes him to be proud of himself, he is silly. And it’s embarrassing to be proud of what you didn’t accomplish.
However, he is indeed born into a special position that he should realize is special, and make sure not to ruin the honor of that position. The same goes for any special bloodline, or Yichus.
There are many cases in the Gemara of ???? ?”? ????? ?”? and ?? ???? ??????? ????, ?? ??? ??????? ?????, ???? ????? ??????, ???? ???? ????? in Shabbos 92.
And then, of course, in Eiruvin 90b:
??? ??? ?? ???? ?? ???? ?????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ??? ??? ??? ?????? ???.That’s what happens when the Machlokes is entirely to find the truth.
“Who then set the sun and moon in motion?”
In that case, who created people to walk, so make a Bracha when your baby takes the first step, or maybe also when he/she sits up. Make a Bracha when your see a horse gallop, when you come across amazing art, when you didn’t see a touchscreen for 40 days, when the moon begins to wane, when you see fog, or a bird catching a fish.
The Yesod is very clear and it clears everything else. The Bracha is about coming across the Hand of Hashem.
There’s ???? ???? ?????? blessings for when you come across original creations, and ??? ?????? or ???? ???? when someone has come across the display of His Power and Rule, ???? ???? for witnessing His support.
As for the world running its course we have ???? ??????? as a daily, general recognition. Music and other enjoyments do not get a ???? since you didn’t just come across the Hand of Hashem.
Sure, it’s wonderful to realize that everything is from Hashem, and that’s why we Daven. But the Bracha is only when you come across it actively.
This might be a fine point, the kind that you’d dismiss if you see it from a stranger but would give more thought of it came from someone you admire in some way. Therefore, I cannot help this last problem.
As a kid, I read S. J. Revich’s Ibrahim the Magician and tried rationalizing some of the tricks. Later on, I realized the silliness of doing so. The author didn’t necessarily have an explanation for the tricks he described. That’s not his responsibility. He’s like the rest of the audience, who is just amazed at the feat.
Same here. As long as it doesn’t get in the way of the plot, the author can employ technology without knowing how it works, and then he can be just as amazed as his audience.
The point of s Bracha is not simply because you saw something interesting. It is when you chance upon the hand of HKBH, and you make the most of that.
Coming across witness of the Briah is seeing the sun at its starting point, getting food which is arraigned from Above, or simply consuming parts of Hashem’s would for your benefit, even getting punished by Hashem, seeing locations that are still around from the time of the creation, noticing trees beginning to blossom, seeing stars that you usually wouldn’t see, as well as seeing the rebirth of the moon � which is an aspect of Briah.
But a phenomenon which is not a mark of creation, nor a consumption of Hashem’s world, but an effect, doesn’t elicit a Bracha. In what way did you encounter Hashem’s hand now more than before? In fact, there are many enjoyments that we don’t bless Hashem upon enjoying them.
Avira, the ‘flaw’ argument is an auxiliary addition to the above. It is called ????? for a reason. My description of its essence is from ??? ?????.
UJM, are you still so proud of what you accomplished before being born: being a male? I would have hoped you accomplished something else since then that you can take pride in.
Actually, the only pride that is totally Muttar, is being Jewish. So, why would you swap that for your personal obsession?
Gadolhadorah, so you’re implying that the Chachamim didn’t understand a certain topic so instead made up stuff and committed it to writing. Am I correct? Why would you ever learn the rest of what they wrote?
Avira, it doesn’t sound like anyone is into anything. It wasn’t quoted or normally referenced. We were all supposed to take this passed-around, non-descript reference on faith, and somehow be blown away by it.
What is puzzling is that the same people who throw words like ‘agadeta’ to dismiss a Gemara that literally discussed how it applies, will turn use a passing comment in another context from within a Kabalistic passage to apply to Halachah.
The only common denominator: Choose what you want to justify pre-existing notions.
Spiritual victims were mainly before the declaration, and I’m the very early years. We couldn’t do anything about that, and we tried.
Afterwards, it actually was a tremendous preserver of Jewish identity which allowed for future Balei Teshuva, as well as Russian Jews holding out thanks to pride in being part of a real nation.
It’s hard to judge the physical aspect, and luckily it’s not my job.
Rightwriter, bad is bad.
But mainly, you don’t make a Bracha on everything interesting. It’s when we come across witness of Hashem’s creation that we utilize that opportunity to recognize that. In this case it’s actually a flaw in the creation, that was put there to mirror a flawed universe in which humans run amok.
Gadol, the whole concept of Mazal is based on predictable times.
UJM, you got into circular logic. Yes, getting the sandwich of your will when you want it is great. But it’s against Halacha. Most people consider the state a great thing, besides for those who take issue with it for other reasons, as I already said.
Your last line is not really true, it is an open fact that only recently has the land born fruit. I don’t care about the insignificant aspect of the year 1948. Are you suggesting that the Gemara got it wrong? Is it just a mysterious Agadeta with secret meaning?
And again, this is rehashed stuff.
UJM,
You won’t agree regardless, and I’m not sure you agree to the fourth point. Why haggle over step 2?I’m not ready to go back and forth, others did that already. You can argue about many smaller aspects,, whether winning territory through a legitimate war is ????? ??????. And I’m not all that invested in it, either.
Most people would say it’s a great development for the Jewish people, if not for being predisposed not to like it. Rav Ovadia Yosef spelled it all out, the merits and the shortcomings. You can’t ignore the Gemara in Sanhedrin 98 that ??? ?? ?? ????? ???, that the land is bearing fruit and it is a clear sign of the impending Geula. Oh, and that’s a good thing.
It’s not technically correct to say that Hashem wanted bad things to happen. ?? ???? ???? ?????.
Yankel Berel, that’s a perfect map of the Shitos.
Satmar agrees to 4. Typical mainstream Frum approach is 3, as quoted from the ?????? ??????? and as is evident from the actions of Aguda. I subscribe to 2.
And the main campaign against the groups were, as Avira referred to, because of their Apikursus. And that’s something of the past.
Something brought up sometimes � although not mentioned yet on this thread � is the argument: If the new state is such a great thing, how can it be that HKBH established it through sinners and heretics? This is indeed puzzling. Most people just shrug it off with ???? ???? ??????. And surely you cannot form a ??? on a ????. Then there’s the ??? ?????? who says that it was done purposely this way to show that it came from above and not through religious yearning.
Or, like most good things on this planet, they come from anyone as long as it’s not of religious content. In other words, if you think of the state as someone holy, you have a ????. If it is totally secular, and part of a bigger plan, no ????.
I hope we can avoid breaches of Tznius while speaking of Tznius
Achashveirosh did indeed die first. In fact, he died a year after the whole Purim story. He reigned for 18 years.
If she is the famous Atosa, thereby shuffling some names, she did indeed outlive her husband and lived on to a powerful career.
A more full quote:
???? ?? ??????? ?????????. ????? ???? ?? ????? ??? ???? ?? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ????. ??????? ?????? ?? ??? ????. ?????? ???? ????? ???? ???? ??? ????. ?? ??? ????? ??? ?? ??????????. ???? ?? ??????? ?????. ????? ???? ????? ??? ?’ ???? ???? ??? ???? ??? ??? ?? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???? ?????. ??? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ???? ?? ??????? ?????? ???? ???? ??????. ?????? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ????? ???? ???? ???? ???? ?? ?? ?? ?? ???? ???? ??? ?’ ???? ??????. ?? ??? ????? ??? ???? ?????:
You don’t want to find yourself arguing against Chazal.
It’s just like Yom Kippur. Who could eat?
“[T]he gemara regarding oaths were clearly on Bayis Rishon and no where does it say Bayis Sheni.”
Explain where you see this clearly.
Which generation was Rav Yehuda and Rebbi Zeira?
Smerel, you say: “Chazal say that when Rav Yochonan Ben Zakai saw that those who were supposed to fighting in defense were cooking straw in boiling water for nourishment he said �could they possibly win over the soldiers of Titus ?� He therefore went to meet Vespasian. It is pretty clear that he was not opposed to their fighting per se . It was he realized it was a lost cause any way he tried to get the best deal possible.”
Let me preface by saying that I agree that the Chachomim has nothing against fighting off dangerous neighbors, and there are Mishnayos to that extent.
But in this case, the full story as the Gemara relates is that the Chachamim said at the outset that they should not fight the Romans, because they won’t succeed. However, they were not in full control and the Baryonim did what they did. Then, they burned the storehouses in order to force everyone to fight. The Medrash quotes Rebbe Yochanan ben Zakai as complaining about this action.
It was after this, obviously, that Rebbe Yochanan ben Zakai said that someone must be done because there is no hope at all to continue.
That while episode was before the actual Galus, there’s not much to glean in this regard, anyhow. And obviously the inhibition to fight was not because of any Shvuos.
Anon, line one is not an argument.
You seem to easily argue against Gemara. I’m not sure I get your Hashkafa, and I’m not sure I want to.
I did point out that Gemara engaged in a serious discussion about it, and applied it ????? for their generation. Why did this Sugya do wrong to be labeled Agadata, and to be ignored?
In a separate discussion, with someone else, you challenged his apparent assumption that Ezra was a Navi, so I showed you a Gemara that mentions it. That’s all. That was not to subscribe to Avira’s full opinion.
I pointed out several times that everywhere thar the Gemara uses the term ??????? it is an unequivocal conclusion, reached through logic rather than textual proof.
anon1m0us, first off, you obviously haven’t followed my position here.
Second, you didn’t actually check up how the Gemara uses the term. It is ALWAYS final. It’s used to be Machria from logic when they’re is no proof from a Mishna.
“[B]eing anti zioni does not necessarily translate in to the dangerous dismantling of the medina.”
This is the official position of Satmar. They pray that it should be dismantled peacefully, but are against doing it by hand
UJM, sorry, I wasn’t trying to portray you in a negative light, or at all. I was saying that it is possible to get along and even admire someone who you disagree with on certain issues. Therefore, Rav Hutner’s admiration for the Satmar Rav doesn’t shed light on his positions.
Reb Aaron disagreed with the Satmar Rav vehemently, on certain issues, and he admired him greatly.
UJM, this might come as a surprise, but not everyone hates those they disagree with.
“LerntminTayrah: That isn�t much of an �admission�. If a mamzer is born, you can no longer do anything to unborn him.”
Right, and you wouldn’t demonstrate in the streets against the poor kid. Nor would you, I hope, incessantly demean the child. That is the point of the ?????? ??????. They shouldn’t have done it, but they did. Now it’s here and let us get on.
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?? ???? ??????? ?????? ?????I found a Kuntres there that mentions this on page 8. There is no direct quote. It is all from articles or Kuntreisim in the name of previous Kuntreisim in the name of a certain edition of a Sefer. The original wording is long gone. And I’m assuming it is all based on the Hetter to learn Kabbalah these days, which is what the Bal Hatanya quotes him for.
LerntminTayrah, I saw that reference there, once I followed your previous mention. The Shem Hagedolim is divided by letters. It doesn’t reach 219.
Yankel Berel, the Satmar Rav agreed that we should not dismantle the state, since that would be dangerous.
As for Maharal, he wouldn’t be a Daas Yochid if there’s no argument against it. Plenty of Halachos are based on one Sefer.
However, the Maharal is misquoted. You can find it in ??? ????? ??? ??? ??. He writes that even if we are being killed we still shouldn’t try to break out and go against the oaths. (Not a question of Pikuach Nefesh, since it won’t help.) This was misquoted and mistranslated as if he saying that even if we are being forced, under pain of death, we still should hold strong and not violate this sin, hence those must be akin to the three cardinal sins. Check Rav Hartman’s footnotes there.
Anon, you seemed to not have even bothered to check up the Gemara even though I gave you the exact ???? ????. Also, you don’t seem to know the language. Go and check every single time the Gemara uses the term ??????. It means that it makes sense to accept this opinion, and that’s the ????? in every case
Here is the the words of the Gemara:
????, ??? ??? ????? ?? ????: ????? ?? ????, ?????? ??????: ????? ???. ??? ?? ????: ?????? ???? ???? ????? ?? ????, ????? ??????? ?????: ????? ????? ?????? ????? ?????? ???????? ?? ??? ????? ??? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?? ?? ????.Rebbi Yehoshua ben Karcha holds that it is Ezra. This is a Tanna, not no-one. The Chachamim argue. Rav Nachman says that logically it is indeed Ezra. That’s the Sugya, whether or not you happen to like Rebbi Yehoshua ben Karcha or Rav Nachman.
This has nothing to do with your comparison of Galus to Geula. This is a response to you saying the that there is no such thing.
Avira answered you correctly about that, so there’s no need to repeat it.
What I would add is that those who stayed behind did not do so because of a Mesora. They did so because they wanted to. It does not say that they didn’t believe him. Daniel didn’t know the true end � until it was revealed. By the time the true 70 years was up it was as obvious as simply quoting previous Neviim.
LerntminTayrah, it’s not there.
We now went from Daas Yochid to no one?
Anon, so now I became Satmar?
You asked for one mention. You got it and now “you can’t”. And, it’s the Gemara’s conclusion. Rav Nachman said ?????? ???? ???? ????? ?? ????.
“I have a sibling who fell into the trap of modern liberalism, and she told me that she can�t accept a God who says that 2 people loving each other is wrong just because of their gender. ”
Unfortunately, the response to these complaints have been weak. In truth, trying to formulate logical and mathematical explanations for any moral rule will sound out of touch. Murder is worse than just inhibiting someone’s right to live. Can you explain why?
The ??? ???? says that Apikursus can only be avoided, and is way too hard to rectify.
DaMoshe, Avira is referring to Chasidish Rebbes who have said, over 150 years ago that before Moshiach there would be terrible Apikursus. They also said that the only solution is stories of Tzadikim. (This is why my kids didn’t go to sleep on Curious George, but rather on Rebbi Yehuda Hanasi, Rebbi Shimon, Chasidish stories, Gedolim Stories, Chazal and some Meshalim.)
And even from those who are holding on tight, still have moments of “judging the Torah”. The Kefira starts small, mocking today’s Rabbanim, and moves up to those of yesterday, then doubting the authority of Acharonim, and then Chazal, and then even ???? ????? which begins with “???? ???? ????? ??? ???” and who knows where it ends.
Avira, you write: “It is true that the brisker rov and his talmidim did not stress rhe shvuos; they focused more on how twisted nationalism was, the ????? ???? that it champions, its �new� jew who is not a galus yid, its high casualties in terms of deaths�
But rav chaim soloveitchik said repeatedly that zionism is indeed avodah zara. Rav elchonon wrote that many times too.”
But all this doesn’t apply anymore.
“Can you please show me where it says Ezra was a Navi?? Which posek?”
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