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PBA -“I was gonna let them get halfway done, and then pull the thing out and spray blood from my arm all over the place.”
Even though you’re probably joking, but s/o might think this is a cool idea. NOT; because you don’t know the skills of the techs there. They might not be able to stop the bleeding and you might end up in the hospital or worse -like dead. That’s right – people die from minor bleeding when noone there knows how to control it.
Feif Un -“Derech: you’re incorrect. I read the full letter of the Chasam Sofer regarding this. He says that metzitzah is not an actual part of the bris. He proves it by saying that someone who had a bris without metzitzah was allowed to eat from the korbon Pesach, a kohen without it could eat terumah, etc.”
I believe you even though you didn’t post the Mekor of where this is. Now if the panel that must be convened comes out that it shouldn’t be done – it wouldn’t be a precedent in Halacha. So far I haven’t seen anything that says Metzitza B’peh is dangerous except for some people saying they know cases of infants coming down with HSV. And what some Gov. agencies have said so far means nothing. They must print these findings like everything in medicine and it has to be peer reviewed. There are rules regarding medical practice and nothing so far has said one way or another. What are the levels of knowledge of training of these personell in these agencies who decided the cause of these infants disease, if they actually decided this? What scientific proof did they use to determine this?
People will believe anything as long as some supposed scientist claims it to be. Remember the guy who claimed that Autism is caused by immunizations?
shmoel -“I strictly follow Shulchan Aruch L’shem Shamayim to get stone drunk on Purim.”
I think the litmus test to determine if the high, drunk, stone drunk is L’shem Shomayim or not is -if the guy loses control. Losing control meaning vomiting all over the place, not in a bag or bathroom, pushing people for no reason and acting extremely Vild (wild).
midwesterner -“There are many sources for reasons to drink on Purim, and even to get as drunk as some may consider to be ‘gross’.”
“Many sources” – name one on the second half of your sentence!
And the story with R’ Salanter isn’t one of them. Rolling around on the floor isn’t “gross”!
Wolf – I don’t believe you can admit that there are valid opinions in Halacha that say you must get drunk.
You don’t want to – fine, but that doesn’t make the rest of us wrong. And because some do whatever they want when they are drunk, eg. puking all over the place, some of us don’t. So don’t bring any Rayos from that!
gefen -That actually wasn’t a thread but it was in the news section. When you use the search option which is linked from the main CR page -search in news, not in CR.
This issue needs to be looked into by a panel. The panel should consist of 2 Poskim, 2 Mohelim & 1 infectious disease expert (not necessarily a MD). Whatever their recommendations are should be followed by e/o who is Frum. Noone can say right now what to do and claim that this is Daas Torah. Daas Torah can only be based on the Mitzious which is Not fully known right now.
A person who has Yiras Shomayim will wait to find out what the truth is. People arguing back and forth remind me of the Shaitel issue before it was clarified.
menucha12 -“first thing to know is DONT STARVE YOURSELF if you do that”
Very important point. Not eating properly can lead to eating disorders which are mental illnesses. These are very hard to treat. They usually need treatment from a psychiatrist & a psychologist.
lovebeingjewish – +10
This didn’t happen to me when my ex was pregnant, but it happened other times.
miritchka -“Please tell me that you guys are joking!!”
No, this is Not a joke. Despite some women (and maybe some men)posting their emotional outbursts on my posts -I do empathize when they are really ill or when they are having a really hard pregnancy.
But yet noone has addressed the point of my posts and that is:
There are women who will play up situations like pregnancy and/or sickness for whatever reasons. How come noone will admit this?
And second of all, how should this be dealt with from a woman’s perspective?
HIE -“ya but i’ve heard many people say that boys often lose what they got the whole zman from hangin out with the wrong people over bein hazmanim.”
“I’ve never heard anyone say that. -95”
THEREFORE?
I’ve heard it & I believe it’s true! And I get really worried about my son during Bein Hazmanim.
Logician – After your comment towards me -what do you expect?
“1)I don’t clean – I HELP to clean.
2)My wife is not my boss to give me permission to do anything – we make decisions together about topics that affect us mutually.”
This post reminds me of the joke -that after 120 there are two lines to get into for males. One for the henpecked husbands & one for the Non-henpecked husbands. The line for the henpecked husbands stretches as far as the eye can see. In the line for the Non-henpecked husbands – there is one lonely guy. They go over to him & ask -“How come you’re in this line?” -wanting to know why he is different than e/o else. He answers -“Because my wife told me to stand in this line!”
PBA -“And anywhere close to Shichruso Shel Lot is life-threatening.”
“Agreed. And that is the mitzva according to the mechaber, nonetheless.
In my yeshiva, they had hatzala all over the place.”
For them it wasn’t. Nowadays there is no Heter to get that drunk. You and others here have made that up!
soliek – It’s brought down in the Gemmorah and S’A. It’s a very bad Aveira. There are Heterim in certain instances. A Shaila should be asked in every case. I was about to say something Politically Incorrect & decided not to.
stuck -“Ad Dlo Yoda is a very high point of intoxication.”
This is something you made up, but has no basis to it. I have no opinion in the argument here. But I do think that it’s disgusting to throw up in public. That said – I do get drunk or high every year. I remember many moons ago when I was in high school a Rebbe told us, esp. since kids tend to over drink, that you aren’t a Mentch if you don’t carry a plastic bag with you on Purim. His words still ring true today.
As a matter of fact -it can’t be Ad Dlo Yoda is very high because at a certain point drinking becomes a Sakana. Chazal would never make a Chiyuv that comes close to a Sakana!
You want to get drunk -fine – I do. But you want to drink and act like a Behaima & vomit all over the place & blame the Halacha -this doesn’t wash. Yes, when I was a kid there where a few of these -nowadays it seems there are a lot more. Maybe because the Frum community has grown by leaps and bounds – so it seems more.
YC is right and you need to apologize.
Logician – Excuse me. Did your wife give you permission to stop cleaning and come post here?
Ok, breaks over -now back to work!
wanderingchana -“Health, thanks for helping me make my point. Chag kasher v’sameach, and hatzlacha with, you know, everything.”
OMG, your sarcasm has just blown me away. I don’t know how to respond to such wit.
Chana thanks for helping me make my point. Chag kasher v’sameach, and hatzlacha with, you know, your marriage. You really should make your husband either Really learn or go out to work if he can’t!
wanderingchana -“You’re wondering if men, such as yourself, would have been better off if Hashem *hadn’t* created women (and therefore wouldn’t be around to raise men’s children, either). Who needs women who “play their pregnancies to the hilt”? Who needs women who are “attention seekers”? Who needs women who “maybe have mental/emotional problems”?”
“I brought up kollel malingerers to illustrate how ridiculous your gross generalizations are.”
The only thing that is ridiculous is your posts. You keep putting all my posts together to “prove” your point. They were separate issues, but I think you know that. The pregnancy post was about them being prego & playing it up. The post of needing women was based on OOmis’s post that they aren’t the ones having the kids.
Your emotional response, instead of a logical one, says a lot more about you and other women, than anything you wrote about me!
“I’ve also met doctors who act like they hate women, and the world would indeed be better off without them.”
Talk about generalizations! Has anyone in the medical field ever told you that they hate women?!?!?
oomis1105 -“Most are…”
And I’m still waiting for one of these “angels” to answer Yes to the question I posted on the topic called – “Who wants to be a Tzadiekes like Rus?”.
wanderingchana -“Health – so, you’re divorced, and you’re wondering if men are better off that Hashem created women, since some, according to you, “play their pregnancies to the hilt/are attention seekers/maybe have mental/emotional problems.”
“Sounds like you’re the one with the agenda. Please tell me you don’t want to be a doctor for humans.”
You’re trying to make it sound that because of divorce I was wondering about the need of women. It sounds like you have an agenda, not me. I said clearly -I was discussing the need of women if they weren’t the ones who have the kids. Having children & raising them – I feel is the main Tachlis of women, not like the Goyim in our generation. So you disagree with this???
“Let’s talk about all the women who work themselves to the bone so that they merit a chelek of their husbands’ “learning” while they’re actually bumming around kollel at their father-in-laws’ expense.”
If this is your situation and you resent it – I suggest you speak to Rabbonim and/or marital counselors!
MP – “For example, saying “Facebook is bad, the Internet is evil, etc..” That is just foolish. Everything can be used in a good or bad way. It is US who make that choice.”
I agree with this line, even though the town I live in disagrees with this statement.
As far as teenagers are concerned -I feel they should not be allowed on FB and it should be enforced by the school. It’s too easy for a teen to end up doing the wrong thing on FB -they aren’t mature enough to know how not to fall into any traps.
wanderingchana -“Who’s “we”?
Men – yes
Women – ?”
All the men of the world. “We” is plural.
2scents -“However it is the husbands obligation to be there for his wife, she is going through hard times, you should be in this together.”
Despite some posts here -I got along fine with my ex-wife at the time of her pregnancies.
What I find disturbing is that no woman here will admit that there are women who play their pregnancies to the hilt. Maybe they are attention seekers – maybe they have mental/emotional problems. But whatever the cause – it does exist and not all women are the angels they present themselves to be.
Cindy – Maybe all your bones are shrinking? Very soon you’ll turn back into a pumpkin.
OOmis -“If men had to have the babies, there probably would be no more than one per family.”
Now that’s an interesting thought. If men could have babies – Hashem wouldn’t have to have created women.
Now let’s have a discussion about – are we better off now that he did create women or not?
MSS -Some people were never taught Middos -either in school or at home. Looking more Frum or dressing Chasidish, has nothing to do with it.
a mamin -“Health and Logician: I can see how helpful you were in your wives pregnancies!”
Yes, how could you see? Because you jumped to conclusions from my post? The way of the Torah is to Dan people L’caf Zecus -not to jump to conclusions. Do you deny the fact that some women overplay being pregnant?
mexipal – So true. The world is so upside down -nowadays you can find more truth in papers like the Enquirer, the Star, the Globe, etc., than places like CNN & et al!
yungerman1 -“Health- Agreed. Its amazing how quickly the Sharptons of this world rush to judgement and scream racism.”
If it was just Sharpton -it wouldn’t be so bad. He is known that his Parnassa is a race biter. It’s half the country including the President. And not only them, but so many posters here have said the same thing. It’s just pathetic.
“I am NOT saying Zimmerman is innocnet or that he is not a racist.”
That is exactly the point -noone right now can possibly know. If some new evidence comes to light then he can be proven to be guilty or a racist. But as of right now -he is innocent until Proven guilty.
After reading the news today – I feel this man will be prosecuted and found guilty just to please the Mob. The family of the teen and their lawyer are calling it a conspiracy. Why is it a conspiracy? They say because the police report says he had physical damage on him at the time and then you don’t see anything on the video later at the police station. They want you to conclude without coming out and saying it -So it must be that the police on the scene decided -ok -it’s an African -American let’s lie and say it was self-defense.
It’s not possible that he was treated at the scene & didn’t require further care, right?
This is like saying a guy comes into the ER but afterwards he looks fine -so it must be there was nothing wrong with him from the git-go.
The problem is so many people buy into this conspiracy theory.
This reminds me of another conspiracy theory that lots of people bought into -the OJ trial. And he got off scot free from the murder of two people. And almost e/o knows he was really guilty.
But our laws prevent s/o from being tried again for the same crime. This law should be amended to protect the innocent, not to protect the guilty. So why don’t they? This would prevent terrible
miscarriages of justice like in the OJ case? I truly believe because our Gov. is so full of Gaivah that they won’t ammend it because this would tell the world our justice & jury system is falliable!
zahavasdad -“It was a police survelance camera that showed Zimmerman arriving at the police station without any of the injuries that he claimed”
Yes, that’s exactly what I was talking about. The police report says he received treatment on the scene and did not require further treatment after that -so why would you expect to see anything later at the police station? And the bruise to the back of his head would not be visible on a video, unless it was a close-up, colored shot that was taken.
lovebeingjewish – It definitely can bring problems esp. if the woman overplays it. I see no reason for a woman to want ice cream in middle of the night. If her craving is Really that bad -let her go and get it herself! But I believe most women don’t exaggerate and when they say a symptom like nausea -they are telling the truth.
yungerman1 – Sorry -as I’m watching this case unfold it seems this is much worse than you’re making it. I’ve just read media trying to say the report of Zimmerman being injured is a fabrication. This is called Tofalnu Sheker. If a good portion of the country, maybe even half, do Not believe in the rule of law this is a very serious situation. One race Can’t be above e/o else when it comes to our laws. Speculation that it wasn’t self-defense without any evidence is becoming the fact here. Soon this fact will be used to lynch this guy Zimmerman. If this guy is prosecuted without any real evidence -this spells the end of freedom in America. We deserve it for following what’s PC – no matter what the logic dictates. Soon the US will be just like any 3rd world country – terrorism will be the least of our worries.
big deal -“No. I was actually talking about the Halacha that a mother’s life comes before an unborn child. Even if it means an abortion. But that’s besides the point.”
So it should be a “Yes”. The reason the mother’s life comes first is because of the Din Rodeph.
“Again, I ask you, is death the only bad thing that we’re afraid of? No, there are plenty of horror stories you hear from people that are still alive but have to live with the sad reality of not being able to bear more children because it took too long to get the care they needed.”
No, it’s not. But these things that go wrong with the mother out of the hospital is Not statistically significant more than when things go wrong in the hospital. In other words – it doesn’t make a difference where you are, no matter what you say.
PBA – I once posted this here in the CR. I think the best products out there is something called “Tomcat”. They make poison bait and traps. Their product is very effective compared to other products & ideas mentioned above.
BT guy -“Hope all is going great and you have a chag kasher v’sameach Pesach, as well everyone, too!”
You too.
big deal -“The reason why I mentioned it is because there is one thing you might want to clarify. A mother’s life always comes before a baby. From your posts you make it sound as if you have to put the baby first.”
Actually I’m not sure what you mean here. It seems you’re talking about the Din of Rodeph. This would not apply to the discussion here. The mother’s life is not really in any more danger in either setting! This being the case -it’s really only the baby whom’s life is at stake and therefore I’m discussing the infant mortality rate.
Avram -“By comparison, the overall neonatal mortality rate for whites (the rate is significantly higher for blacks) in New York in 2007 was 3.27 per 1000 births. In Maryland it was 3.54, New Jersey 2.86. For women intending to deliver at home under the care of certified nurse midwives, including those who were transferred to hospitals for delivery due to problems with either mother or baby, the rate was 2.5.”
You just did the old trickeroo. You compared overall mortality to home-birth mortality.
“Not sure where this tripling (or exponential increase) of the infant mortality rate is coming from. Probably home births that are not properly supervised, which we all agree is a bad idea.”
Now you might be right, but this Non-properly supervised is still supervised by a mid-wife. This misunderstanding on your part might even be accidental. It’s hard for Non-medical people to understand these research articles -so I just post the revelant parts.
The bottom line is – planned hospital births is safer for the infant than planned home-births, even after screening the mothers and diverting them prior to a hospital. There remains a 2-3 times more risk of death in the home-birth setting!
big deal -“Health – not sure why you keep saying the danger is only to the baby. There are plenty emergency scenarios that can go wrong with the mother as well. OBs are there to treat mothers not babies.”
Simply because wherever you give birth -the maternal death rate is extremely low. So this really wouldn’t be a factor in this debate.
pcoz -“Here is a comment from Dr M. Chalk of Gateshead z”l from a letter sent to the British Medical Journal;
“For myself, I feel that absolute safety is non-existent.
And to have given the mother peace of mind and happiness (of a home birth) is a very great thing.””
You fail to address the issue that you’re comprimising the baby’s safety by having a home -birth!
avhaben -“It seems that in a very large majority of cases of seperations, the divorce is initially sought by the wife. Any insight why that is?”
The reason I didn’t because I didn’t think it would be good for the kids.
A person should Never get divorced without a professional, eg. marital counsellor agreeing to the idea!