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mdd -“On the other hand, if someone became a BT because he/she thought it is a lot of fun to be frum etc., then — it might be a concern.”
Your post is astounding -who becomes Frum because they think it’s fun???
They all say they are doing it L’shem Shomayim, but some have alterior motives!
mommamia22 -“Your post confuses me, as based on that idea, anyone who grew up not frum is basically in danger of going back on their commitment.”
Unfortunately, this is true. It happens more than you would think. And it sometimes happens to their kids also.
No, I wrote clearly what I think you have in your writings – Not clean material -Prustkeit.
Now why wouldn’t I agree with it? Because you use Harry and Sally, instead of Yankel and Sora or because it’s full of Pritzus?
If you were actually one of the exceptions -you would have just explained that. Actually your screaming proves my point -“Thou protests too loudly”!
shein – Stop with your Narishkeit that you can curse out any Frei person just because you feel like it. If you read Arie’s post – “He happens to respect frum yidden. I have met him many times in Miami and he has tremendous pride in the Frum olam especially young people.”, you see clearly he isn’t trying to influence people to go off.
You’re just looking for excuses for your behavior. Futhermore, if by ranking him out -you are causing embarassment to his Frum family -you definitely don’t have any Heter to do so!
a mamin -“I also feel I have supported them plenty! That being said, I do feel there is a need for this bus, but it’s your choice to take it or not.”
You’ve seem to have missed the point. The issue isn’t money, nor the need of a bus between Willy & BP. This bus line is operating under a Gov. franchise. This means they get to write the rules, not you. You can’t just tell any Goyta if they don’t like being in the back of the bus -take another line or subway or taxi.
If the Harri Krishnas operated a bus line in Manhattan & required e/o to put on their silly robes (I’m not going to even say make e/o get a mohawk), acc. to you they would be able to claim religious exemption?!? If you found that your trip to where ever was easier by using this bus line – you would be happy if the Gov. said you can’t do that. You definitely wouldn’t be screaming religious exemption. You definitely wouldn’t like to be told -get there by some other way if you don’t like these conditions.
Everytime the Gov. does something e/o screams antisemitism, once in awhile it is, most of the time it’s not. Stop with the crying wolf. Don’t make a Chillul Hashem by dragging this into Court – where you will lose anyway and you’ll make it open hunting season on Frum Jews. This is a problem living amongst so many Frum Jews -you forget that we are in Golus and there is a way to behave in Golus. So I’ll repeat -the only choices you have is to either sit non-segregated or open a totally private bus service between Willy & BP!
apushatayid -“they will, the very first time a member of the hanhala of a yeshiva is arrested for serving alcohol to minors.”
This doesn’t seem to be a likely scenario. How about figuring out a way for them to take this seriously w/o having them to be arrested?
Yenta – From Nachas.org:
Upper East Side:
Cafe Weisman/Jew. Museum
423-3200
1109 5th (E. 92nd)
Meat
2
Star-K
10/97
U Cafe
427-8223
1436 Lex (E. 93rd & 94th)
Dairy
3
R’ Aaron D. Mehlman
9/09
Burger Zone NY
828-6400
1830 2nd Ave. (E. 94th & 95th)
Meat
2
Vaad Harabonim of Flatbush
9/11
Upper West Side (212 or 917)
The Kosher Marketplace
580-6378
2442 Broadway (90 & 91)
Meat
2
Kosher La-Mehadrin – R’ Avrohom Marmorstein
3/10
Mike’s Italian Kitchen and Pizzeria
362-0700
654 Amsterdam (Cor. W. 92nd)
Dairy
Kosher La-Mehadrin – R’ Avrohom Marmorstein
2/09
Supersol
222-6332
661 Amsterdam (W. 92nd & 93rd)
Both
1
Vaad of Riverdale
3/10
Talia’s Steakhouse & Bar
580-3770
668 Amsterdam (92nd & 93rd)
Meat
3
Kosher La-Mehadrin – R’ Avrohom Marmorstein
02/07
Gan Asia
280-3800
691 Amsterdam (W. 93rd & 94th)
Meat
1
Kosher La-Mehadrin – R’ Avrohom Marmorstein
9/08
Eretz Cafe and Market
665-0953
692 Columbus (W. 93rd & 94th)
Meat
1
NY Kosher – R’ Yaakov Neiman
2/10
Screme Gelato Bar
663-1362
176 W. 94th St (& Amsterdam)
Dairy
1
R’ Aaron D. Mehlman [Open Shab.]
5/11
Dunkin Donuts
864-1046
687 Amsterdam (W. 94th)
Dairy
1
R’ Aaron D. Mehlman
12/08
Caffe Mocias
347 533-2800
711 Amsterdam (W. 94th & 95th)
Dairy
2
R’ Aaron D. Mehlman
8/09
Meat Me
678-7000
726 Amsterdam Ave (W. 95th & 96th)
Meat
2
Vaad Harabonim of Queens
9/11
Cafe Viva
663-VIVA
2578 Broadway (at 97th Street)
Dairy
1
United Kosher – Rabbi Spivak
1/11
Hummus Place
222-5462
2608 Broadway (98th and 99th St)
Veg
United Kosher – Rabbi Spivak [Open Shab.]
8/09
Cafe Roma
875-8972
854 Amsterdam (W. 101st & 102nd)
Dairy
1
Kosher La-Mehadrin – R’ Avrohom Marmorstein
5/07
Cafe Nana
347 244-0033
606 W. 115 St (Riverside Dr. & Bdwy)
Dairy
1
R’ D. Almog, Columbia/Barnard Hillel
8/09
MP – In my opinion when a writer admits their writing isn’t Kosher -they usually mean it’s not clean. If they just thought that it’s just not appropriate for the ultra -Frum community, I think she would have just said that! You can usually tell by the way a person speaks/writes what they mean. I could be wrong, but that would be the exception, not the rule.
You personally don’t sound MO to me, maybe just more modern, not so Yeshivish.
The girl sounds very much from the MO crowd, which really most of them aren’t really Frum.
a mamin -You might be willing to pay higher prices to cover the Court costs, in order to prove how Frum you are. But who says your fellow riders feel the same? How about being Chass Al Mohmone Yisroel?
Also where did you get the idea that I’m intimidated & don’t like separate seating?
The Willy bus is better than the Monsey bus, because with the Mechiza anybody thinks they can bump into anybody else and it’s Ok!
bpt – I base my opinions on Halacha, not on where I learnt or how much. The Halacha is quite clear on morality. Toieva lifestyle is a No- No. Other things – it depends what. “Meaness” is only a “Hezek”. The Torah doesn’t just lump everything into one category like which appears that you want to do!
shein -If it’s a habit of yours.
shein -“Sometimes halacha tells us we should knock someone.”
And who decided this is the case here?
mosheemes2 -Doesn’t matter, it’s still a franchise. If they were doing it to a totally private company, I’d agree. Why must you and the others like you always be right?
If you and the other Kanoyim keep fighting this, you will lose and it will be bad for the Yidden whom ride this line.
You have two choices either sit non-segregated or the company becomes totally private. If you fight it, you will lose anyway in Court and you will still end up with the same choices.
So you’ll ask -“So what do you have to lose?”
Simple, the company is going to pass on their court costs to their ridership. These costs aren’t peanuts!
Shticky Guy -“Health We cannot daven for rain while having a chiyuv to eat in the sukka. So we wait until AFTER we are no longer mechuyav to eat in the sukka before davening for rain. This is why we do not say Geshem on Sukkos. And that was my exact question. If we are mechuyav to eat in the sukka on shemini atzeres then surely we should wait until simchas torah before davening Geshem. But davening on SA seems to support the minhag of NOT eating in the sukka on SA. Please answer that.”
Yes, this was the answer I was thinking of. But you took it too far. We really should Daven for Geshem on Sukkos, but we don’t want it to rain. But on SA there is No D’oraysa to sit in the Sukkah, at the most a D’rabbonon, so we won’t delay Davening for Geshem any longer.
BS is somewhat right. I’m not against the BY movement, but how is it that Most girls in their teens or early twenties don’t know how to do any household chores? They might know Nach and Meforshim, but it’s not too many that know how to cook, clean, wash, mend, etc.!
cleverjewishpun -“Since this person was raised in a non religious enviroment where Judaisim was not central to their lives, it becomes something that can be discarded when necessary. Its that attitude that needs to be defeated at the childhood stage, not when you are dealing with someone who is a fully grown adult.”
I think you hit the nail on the head why my ex had such an easy time going OTD.
old man -Couldn’t agree more. Until you have the capability like Bais Din Shel Maaloh, you don’t know e/o situation, so if he isn’t bothering you, why bother him? There are so many problems in the Frum community and e/o is busy sweeping it under the rug. If you want to busy with something, be busy with that. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, read some Goyishe newspapers.
HaLeiVi -“Perhaps, if more people would drink, the Bochurim wouldn’t have to figure this out on their own. Instead of yelling at them, they should be shown, or told, what to do.”
You are in a dream world. You don’t think their parents or others haven’t told them how much to drink? They don’t listen. They want to get stoned. Some parents have no control of their kids. If the powers that be would put their foot down, the drunkeness wouldn’t occur. Some Rabbonim and/or Rosh Hayeshivos don’t care. So if the parents can’t control these kids and if the leaders don’t care – this is why this situation occurs in many places.
It’s funny but people like you will make excuses for everything. The same thing happens with smoking. The few Rosh Hayeshivos that care you won’t find any smoking in their Yeshiva. And there are always ones who try to challenge the rule in these Yeshivos. And you know what happens in these Yeshivos to these guys? Well they get chucked because the Hanhala takes this seriously. In a lot of Yeshivos, the Hanhala doesn’t take this seriously.
The fact is – the Gov. is right, but the fact that they never know what’s flying created the situation the way it is now. Keven Sheovar V’shona Nassis Lo K’heter. So people like Dr. Seuss are convinced that this can only be discrimination and antisemitisim. And the biggest Chutzpa is that they will fight their Chumra like it’s one of the Aseres Hadibros. This puts out a bad impression of Yiddiskeit because now the world thinks these Chumras are just as important as the Mitzvos themselves. To quote the Mayor -“If you want separate seating -start a totally private route”. I couldn’t agree more. The Courts nowadays won’t even uphold legitimate complaints of discrimination like Shabbos observance for employees, (I know from personal experience), because they become disgusted with Judaism when stories like these hit the news.
yitayningwut -I agree somewhat.
cinderella -Maybe you can suggest movies that aren’t bad, instead of what she watches. The same with music. Classical music is wonderful. It doesn’t have to be Fried, MBD, etc.
Try to change her low life by finding alternatives that are acceptable to her and aren’t the worse thing in the world, like the things I’ve mentioned.
cinderella -So say -B’H that would never occur in my Shul. I’m glad I don’t go to this place.
mommamia22 -It really depends on whether he is a candidate to being Mekarev and becoming a BT. If he isn’t, there’s no hope.
My non-frum relatives would never marry Goyim. Why? Because it was instilled in them that that is a point of no return. Yet many in America do? Because their parents think there isn’t anything wrong and some even glorify it -it’s Chosuv for a Jew boy to get the Shiksa!
Yenta – You gotta be mature if you’re going to have a career in the medical field. Asking all sort of questions to all types of people is something you have to do. My Chaddishe friend at first had a hard time, but he learned how to do it anyway.
Things Goyim will say about Frum Jews are two-fold. Some are based on reality and some are based on ignorance or antisemitism. Mature people first listen and then come to conclusions. We all aren’t perfect. If it’s based on reality, I’ll agree with them. If it’s based on ignorance, I’ll try to re-educate them. If it’s based on hatred, I’ll either rebuke or ignore (something that depends on multiple factors).
“my point was is it common for non jews to think all orthodox girls get married young.”
Almost all do, so their perception is correct.
Shticky Guy -“Another seicheldiger question: You should only daven??? ? on ?? ???? ????? after finishing with the sukka, not on ?????? ????.”
Now I get to play Shtick – I’ll answer your question with a question. Why don’t we Daven Geshem on Sukkos instead of S.A. -because the Mishna says “Oobchag Nidonim Al Hamayim”? Chag is Sukkos!
Queen Bee -“They’re not exactly…”kosher.”
One of the first things my ex did on her way OTD was to write “non-kosher” material. The Torah says Aveirah Gorres Aveirah. The Yetzer Hora starts with small things and then he takes it all. I feel bad for you. You’re on a certain path and you don’t even realise what that path is.
gezuntheit – But the way we Pasken is the Ammitah Shel Torah. Maybe you and him belong to other groups like Xianity. They also believe in the Old Testament (Torah Sheb’ksav)!
cinderella -“You don’t find it revolting to see grown men throwing up on Yom Tov because they had no self control? Getting a little tipsy or high is one thing but to become so drunk that you pass out is another. (yes that happened in my shul)”
Did you mention this to your Rov? I know of a Shul like this and the Rov is always spouting Chumros, but this type of behavior goes on during Simchas Torah. I would never belong to this type of Shul!
Yosi7 – Do you also agree with me about people’s tongues?
GeshmakMan – “He is also a Kohen! Based on the fact that his nephew with the same last name is a Kohen :)”
Maybe he isn’t because he hasn’t asked his Rabbi yet. Like the story goes -a guy went to an Orthodox Rabbi and said “Could you make me a Kohen? He replied “Of course not”. He went to a Conservative Rabbi and asked “Could you make me a Kohen? He replied “No, I can’t”. He then went to a Reform Rabbi and asked “Could you make me a Kohen? He replied -“For the right price. But why do you want to be a Kohen so bad for?” The guy answered -“Because my grandfather was one and my father was one, so I want to be one too!” Ta da!
mamashtakah -“Health, I don’t need Yahoo to remember any of them. I saw them all play in person.”
Wow Wee! You must have been the only one there -the whole stadium just for yourself. Do you really think that I didn’t go to any games? I just have more important things to keep in my memory.
Toi – They are moving up. They have already reached South Jersey.
bpt -“Apparently, we do have different torahs.”
Mine is based on Halacha; what is yours’ based on?
mamashtakah -You do a disservice to the Orioles if you don’t mention Earl Weaver & George Bamberger.
Here are some others that I remember with help from Yahoo:
Dave McNally, Jim Palmer, Boog Powell, Frank Robinson, Mike Flanagan, Mark Belanger & Bobby Grich. And later on – Ken Singleton, Doug DeCinces, Kiko Garcia, Eddie Murray, Al Bumbry, Dennis Martinez, Cal Ripken Jr. & Tim Stoddard.
PBA – How do you post from the John? Do you have a wireless laptop?
supergirl613 -“Go to GOldbergs- The best toasted tuna bagel ever!!!!”
You must be related to them.
happym19 – “Ravens game”.
Once upon a time, the Orioles would still be playing at this time of year.
morechumras – I agree. Anybody who makes Gezeiros on the rest of us or speaks LH, should have their tongues cut out, so they shouldn’t do it again!
PBA -“how eating chocolate releases serotonin.”
By me – it’s like – goes straight into the opiate receptors.
Nothing is like Cholov Stam chocolate!
taking a break – What? Are you in nursing school?
Sounds like you’re taking Pharm 101.
Dr. Seuss -“Health: No arayos is one of the 7 mitzvos for goyim.”
Maybe you should stop reading children’s books and start learning the Torah. The behaviors’ that people claim they did (Knox & company) aren’t Ossur Al Pi Torah. Also whatever Strauss-Khan did can’t even be judged up in a non-Jewish court because he is a Jew and even in Bais Din there has to be Hasrah and Eidim – which there isn’t.
Find better things to gossip about. And to say that they should be prosecuted for their behavior, even if immoral, is showing a deep lack of understanding of our Torah and how it works!
bpt – “Would you agree that each time the bar gets lowered,and a perpertrator of such wanton behavoir gets idolized, it makes it that much easier to kasher abbhorent behavior?”
We must have different Torahs. My Torah says they have 7 Mitzvos. Those touchy feely things are for Yidden. If they committed a crime which the Torah Assurs then they should be prosecuted. If not, not. What brings down the sanctity of this world is when the Goyim not only don’t prosecute people who live the Toievah lifestyle, but they celebrate it, esp. in NYS where such marriage is legal!
Don’t mix the two up. These two weren’t on trial for their behavior, but for specific crimes! I don’t even know what their behavior was to even start judging them up on it – whether they did things against the Torah or not. I’m not as informed as you because I don’t read the Enquirer or such trash to know all about their behaviors!
yitayningwut -See I was Mechavin to the Mishnah, even though I never learnt it.
YehudahTzvi -“She herself is a nurse and used the term flat lined. She was clinically dead with no heartbeat.”
Yea, I understand, but she was using a TV term. I highly doubt she actually was in Asytole. More likely a different cardiac arrest rhythm.
2scents – You just don’t organize a medic course. Why do want to be a medic? Are you an EMT- B? Are you working as an EMT- B? Taking a Paramedic or even a EMT -B program isn’t for s/o who wants to take a course for the fun of it or Stam Azoy. It’s a career.
bpt -“Sigh. You just don’t (or won’t) get it do you?”
Sigh. You just don’t get it – do you?
I haven’t yet seen any signs of the goyim legalizing immoral acts against women. If anything, women are becoming more powerful in today’s society. Ever hear of women’s lib?
You seem obsessed with the fact that our society is immoral. So obsessed that everytime s/o is declared innocent of criminal charges -that there must be a sinister plot/ conspiracy theory because immorality is abound everywhere! Time to wake up and smell the coffee. Some people are declared innocent because they haven’t been Proven to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt!
YT -“She flat lined twice”
This is a TV line. I never seen a patient who flat lined ever wake up. A flat line is Asystole where 99.9% die in this rhythm. The one that they can recover from is usually V. fib – where you can shock the pt.
Definitely Ossur because of Baal Tshaktsu!
akuperma -If your defintion is correct -then I’ll take one of those, please.
2scents – Most people when something itches -they scratch.
A brain surgeon. And if you find a really good one -you take it for yourself.