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qwerty, a lot of posters (i.e. notallmr) had the same experiance.
cherrybim – I am quite shocked at the cavalier tenor of your last comment. Did you read the Gemora, Shulchan Aruch, and Rambam I quoted on the previous page of this thread regarding the Mitzvah Rabbah of Pidyun Shvuyim? It applies if the Yid is innocent or guilty; let alone how much efforts we are required to expend to free these innocent bochorim!
And what is the issue with calling these heilige yiddishe bochorim, “bochorim”? That is precisely what they are.
qwerty, what was so surprising about Bogen’s post?
SJS – If the Gedolim issue a proclamation that henceforth day is night, and night is day and you should daven Maariv at 11:00 AM followed by Krias Shma al HaMitta, then thats what it is.
Following is not a “choice”, but an obligation.
someguy – You do yourself a discredit by buying into the zionist sheker gomur that we are no longer in golus.
Do yourself a favor, and read the numerous sources I provided on the bottom of the previous page of this thread regarding your comments.
rob – Spare us your sophistry. I provided the mekor for the Chasam Sofer that you questioned. Look it up, as I said. And you attributed to me imputations regarding Eretz Yisroel, that you know good and well I applied to the STATE, not EY.
The point about Ezra is how far ago Yidden started speaking an adapted language, blended from their country of residence, into a Jewish everyday tongue.
rob – regarding your insinuations about notpashut’s comments – you constantly try to knock down factual matters not to your liking of history and the Torah as expounded upon by Rabbonim. Recall how you disputed my quote of Rav Ahron Kotler’s remarks about the modern orthodox until you, red-facedly admitted finding it in the exact source I quoted?
beacon, what is your theory?
beacon – if I referred you to my Ph.D. dissertation, my cover would be blown.
anyone see Curious lately?
How do you know this?
Superior intellect.
and where is our wise friend jent1150.
You can’t disagree on something you don’t know. Have you ever heard and understood a shtikel Torah in Yiddish?
I always said Moish is a secret Talmid Chochom. It slips out every now and then.
havesome – not necessarily.
an open book – how do you know BYM – you’re a member for only 4 days.
Which brings up the thought — maybe some of these so-called missing members, aren’t really missing at all. They’re here under a new pseudonym.
asdf –
You’ll get a volume discount just for your own attendance.
SJS –
No, “WE” shouldn’t. It is the Gedolim and Rabbonim’s job to tell us what is goyish and/or unacceptable.
Our job is merely to listen and follow their directives.
SJS, you didn’t understand notpashut’s point.
beacon – it still is.
and how about willi
rob,
That was a reference to Churban Bayis Sheni. We see Yidden didn’t speak Loshon Hakodesh in Ezra’s time already — which places it even before Bayis Sheni.
I provided the mekor for the Chasam Sofer, so look it up. But it was in the times of the Beis Hamikdash already that Yidden used a modified version of the non-Jewish languages for everyday talk.
And finally, in the future please refrain from putting words in my mouth, as you have done in both preceding comments addressed to me.
something made by a frei yid, or a yid not in line with the Torah, is not a Jewish thing.
The viability of the marriages of those in the frum community that date less frequently, is notably more lasting than those who have many dates.
yes Joseph- that’s why I’m asking
Why don’t you ask kapusta herself! 🙂
notpashut, Yasher Koach.
rob (from the comfort of his home six thousand miles away, safely ensconced in the land that the gemoro calls “keilu oved avoidas chochovim”) likes to be an armchair critic of the Gedolim who have condemned the actions of the zionists, while these very Gedolim and their talmidim are being moiser nefesh to live in Eretz Yisroel despite the violence heaped upon these Bnei Torah by those very zionists.
Jothar,
Maran Hagoen Rav Elazar Shach told American educators that Yeshiva boys should be taught Chumash in Yiddish, even if the boys speak English amongst themselves. He furtermore said that both boys and girls should learn to be comfortable in Yiddish. He also said that Yiddish is spoken by “all jews” (that is his phrase). He referred parents to send their children to Yiddish teaching yeshivos. And there is good reason why Rebbes and Rabbonim give ma’amarim in Yiddish.
Modern Hebrew is not different than Turkish or Farsi – it is the language of a secular culture complete with all those things that we want to stay away from. The fact that some of those who speak Modern Hebrew are religious Jews is not different than the language of any country Jews are in where they speak the language of the land. The point is to stay away from the language of the land and only talk the language of the Jew.
The Radak (Sefer HaMichlol, introduction) writes that Loshon HaKodesh is all but forgotten to us, and all we have left is what is in Tanach.
The Chasam Sofer notes that while Chazal used many words and phrases borrowed from the Greeks and Romans, they never coined a new word, as has been done in modern hebrew, for in their holy opinion it was preferable to use other languages rather than create even a single new word that did not have its like, its example, in the Torah, since it could not be rooted in sanctity.
The Chasam Sofer EH 2:11 says that in ancient times Jews used to use a modified version of the non-Jewish languages for everyday (divrei chol) talk, similar to what Yiddish is.
The Rambam writes that even in the days of Ezra they had a translator to explain the Torah readings to the people – clearly, they did not speak Loshon Hakodesh, even before the Churban.
But listen Jothar, if you are going to be mechalek on Maran Hagoen Harav Shach ZT’L… perhaps we all need to re-evaluate Rav Shach’s position in light of your opposition, since we unfortunately dont have the zchus of having Rav Shach here to defend himself from you.
charlie – both squeak and ames stated they are back, albeit in reduced capacities.
What Happened To Moderator 86??
If anyone recalls, all the mods used to share one login. Then one of ’em started saying “lets say mod-72 — a number I just made up.” Then they liked the ideas of numbers and took random ones, including 86. When they formalized separate logins, they forgot they used 86 as one of they fictitious numbers.
Joseph- do you know for a fact that kapusta is single?
areivim – Aren’t you the official in-house CR Shadchan?
JayMatt, I completely feel and sympathize with what happened. I just don’t understand how you were not engaged if you had a (small) l’chayim already.
Poster – Very good.
Feivel – About 15 months ago. Someone got me all the parts and I said to myself (looking at all the pretty boxes) this should be a snap. I opened up the boxes, saw all the many wires — big and small, and said uh-oh. I started putting it together and it wasn’t so geferlach. 🙂
You know not everyone lives in the eastern time zone.
What other time zones do people actually live in?
Jothar,
Loshon Hakodesh was last spoken as Klal Yisroel’s everyday language before the churban of Bayis Rishon, when Yidden were on a far far higher madreiga than us today. They were far more careful with their speech, what they said and where they said it. This has not been the case for about 3,000 years. Any of us are far far from being worthy to use Loshon Hakodesh as an everyday language, the menuval Ben-Yehuda not withstanding.
Btw your joke about the hoizen/heiser goes the other way than you implied. 1 – The Godol’s levaya was in Yiddish and 2 – the joke was on this poor guy who didn’t know the correct terminology.
Are you Jothar stripping Rav Cohen from his status as poisek? You agree that Rav Shteinman is a tzadik and Godol Hador. So let me ask you two questions: 1 – Vi shteit? 2 – Oib es shteit nisht, is er ois tzaddik?
Mi K’amch Yisroel!? Mi K’amch Yisroel!?
Rabbosai, the two “protagonists” here had a chashad that maybe they unintentionally offended one another. Nothing geferlach was in reality said. Nothing close in fact (certainly not for the coffee room!) But since each thought that perhaps they may have slightly upset the other, they each independently forswore any further comments out of fear lest they mistakenly say something in good faith that is taken in an unintended manner.
Rabbosai, mir zenen Yidden! Where else would you find such Ahava?? Nowhere! Mit ah goy mir kenen nisht cholem’en oif aza zach! Mi K’amch Yisroel!?
And with that, I hereby affix to this petition the Signature and Great Seal of
Joseph
YWN Commentator-In-Chief
Nosson: Very good 🙂
8 1/2
but you’re too young to work!
How old am I?
YW Moderator-25
If you’re going to ask how do you choose a different display name than login name, the answer is you can’t anymore. The feature was disabled about 6 months ago. But if you chose one prior to its disablement, it is still displayed.
torahtziva, you sound like a cr veteran after cosmetic surgery.
Jothar,
Loshon Hakodesh was not an everyday street language for mundane matters, nor should it be.
moish, never. the cr software was updated to display the chosen name, rather than the login name.
hatzlacha rabah!!!!!
‘d go for anyone with a modding license right now…
are you really that desperate?
asdf – how’d that biz deal go today?
yankdownunder speaks well and intelligently.
I vote with mw13, that Moish is one of the good guys.
squeak – I believe cherrybim’s point was larger than the specific example he used as a comparison. I’m sure you can imagine a better example to stress the point.
Josh31, too much to do for G-d himself?
mw13 – beautiful find.
Feif – What your Rosh Yeshiva meant was that “Jewish” music based on goyish music is treif gamur — worse than even the goyish music its based on, which itself is treif.
SJS – why not go to the extra expense for the mitzvah of maintaining Cholov Yisroel? It would be a great zchus.