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  • in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1512616
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    Lesschumras, that’s a different guy. He a director, lots of shady characters in Hollywood. There is an american produce r (bankroller) who has been shunned and kicked out of his company by his board and investors over the last year.

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1512562
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    Carlebach is accused of the same things as the movie producer, neshamale acknowledges it and has support groups

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1512445
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    Gain, carlebach is in the same boat as said movie producer

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1512428
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    The little I know: I never ever suggested taking any sort of action or to stop using his nighunim, I will absolutely continue to do so. I don’t think it’s so obvious though. What you are also saying is really that there is no social responsibility to do anything ever. Live and let live is really not taking any sort of action. If people are ever required to get involved, that is an imposition of will. Is it ever required in your opinion? You seem to say not. Maybe you don’t think it’s required here, which is ok. I don’t really think it is here, but it’s not so clear. Sometimes it is necessary for one group to impose on another, I think that is obvious.

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1511892
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    It is appropriate to not support the business of a get refused, with or without a public statement of a vaad or bais din. Same with a moser, etc. This really has nothi g to do with judging their individual character, I do not know how their mind works, or what drove them to their decisions. These people really may go to a higher place in Olem Hannah than anyone we come into to contact with, and we shouldn’t speculate. It is Hashem who judges, but people absolutely have social responsibilities. I don’t believe any frum community looks the other way all the time, we all have a line were the actions of someone compel us to act a certain way toward them. To pretend otherwise is willfuly naive. If it doesn’t apply to carlebach that’s perfectly acceptable, but this don’t judge is reactive nonsense, immature thinking, and has nothing to do with anything.

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1511745
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    Zhavasdad, +1, although most people don’t know what your talking about

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1510762
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    Grosserchacham, I really just wanted to know the justification of people, who already disagree with his actions and m.o. That’s why I tried to keep it to black hat, vs ultra right wing like an aggudah type shul. Both groups aren’t the typical carlebach type. Certainly if you there is no problem with carlebach there’s nothing to talk about. Thjis is specifically a question for people who do not stand at all with carlebach but are more than happy to sing his kabbolos shabbos. Don’t kid yourself into thinking I’m the first to raise this point, it’s no smear campaign. I’m sorry this has offended you

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1510676
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    Grooswr chachum, I would post full answer but it is not allowed on coffeeroom. This is not simply a hashkafic issue, not an issue of mixes concerts or woman’s place in yiddisheit, he was openly stating things that are assur are mutter. In terms of who is ok and who isnt, we cannot go into details. If you don’t know what I’m referring to, we will have to leave it at that.

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1510669
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    I heard quoted from a teshuva of Rav menashe Klein, his niggunim are assur, even his early ones. I have not seen it inside, and understand he’s generally pretty machmir, and certaintlt accept the above rav moshe. But to say we separate the person from the product is not simple, and not always true. To avoid having comments deleted again I’ll just say the problems with him are serious it seems we shouldn’t be so comfortable using his songs.

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1510580
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    The little I know, we often do judge character when it comes to cases that affect the rabbim. Carlebach gave smicha to women, amd was a instrumental in women of the wall, both thi gs we activilely dissascociate with. I don’t know of anyone who goes to hear women of the wall or yct rabbis on certain topics because it lifts them spiritually and than separate from them because of there other behaviors. Carlebach really pushed his ideology and from what I know we do cut ties with leaders of dangerous movements like that. But for some reason, we just like his songs and they get a pass.
    To be clear I’m talking about his ideology, and actions in his shuls, removing mechitzos ect. Not his personal character or negiah issue

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1510351
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    I understand, and grew up I. Shuls that ocasiionaly used his niggunim, but I would think not using his songs is clearly the right thing. He pretty openly pushed for some shocking thing, bordering on conservative ideology. We wouldnt use conservative “good tunes”

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1510337
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    Clarification post: I’m wondering how some communities use his niggunim, give some controversial ideas and practices he used, even when they were clearly against what these communities stand for.

    in reply to: Sefer aishey yisroel #1507166
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    Thanks for all the responses, much appreciated

    in reply to: Yeridas Hadoros #1451704
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    Yichusdik, you aren’t discussing what yeridos hadoros is at all, I don’t understand what the point of saying those authors quote past authors is. Your post was in response to low level. This is in the context of yeridos hadoros. Are just saying intelligent atheists are around? Russell routinely described himself as agnostic, in Why I’m not a Christian as well as his essays in religion and science., ect. That was the scale. Your post seems to me like a forced opportunity to mention atheists names. Even your response doesn’t seem to have a point other than you are familiar with atheism, but doesn’t say why it might be more developed than past athiesm, or more developed than past theology wich would be heretical to judaism. You’ve read one book of Dawkins (the one everyone read), know a lot about existesialism due to two courses therefore speak to sartre positions, and own one of Russell’s works wich has the least of his own opinion in it. But you’re an Orwell expert, and heard Hitchens speak. I maintain your post was very disingenuous.
    If you’re interested In Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris ect., Dennett is the best of the lot

    in reply to: Yeridas Hadoros #1451294
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    ychusdik, yeridos hadoros would compel us to compare those thinkers to minds of the past, not just ask if they’re intelligent or not. It also clear from your post you haven’t read their works(names are incorrect – not just spelling – and not differentiating agnostic and atheist even though you mention both terms, no mention of any particular work), it’s disingenuous to call others out.

    in reply to: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence #1443514
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    Catch yourself, the absence of evidence to support the claim of gravity is evidence that there is no gravity even though no evidence was brought to discredit the theory of gravity.
    Here is how people use the phrase “lack of evidence …”,
    Lack of evidence for theory A doesn’t mean it’s been discredited (not no evidence is not the same thing as evidence)
    However If I claim A because of observation B (usually how theory are born), and B doesn’t really happen, I do not need to evidence against your claim A, because you’ve given an expectation of B. Often, there isn’t an expectation of B. If I come along and say C is inconsistent, that’s evidence against.
    Bemigman, read my first post, that is what I wrote above. It wasn’t clear because the second was a follow up.

    in reply to: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence #1443236
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    I am not confusing it with burden of proof. Absence of evidence can be actual evidence if whatever you are claiming calls for a specific result and the result doesn’t come through. That would be evidence that the claim is incorrect. That is not burden of proof.

    in reply to: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence #1442957
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    Catch yourself: A catchy quote is an oversimplification and completely misses what evidence is supposed to be ie support a claim. Absence of evidence isnt evidence against is only because there may be other evidence. Certainly if you’ve ruled all possible evidence out, that is evidence against whatever was trying to be supported. The less evidence there is, the less reason to believe it, and as you rule out possible evidence, the less likely there will be reason to believe it. With is evidence against, as it moved you in another direction, even though at some point it is possible to swing the other way. Reiyah is a proof if I’m not mistaken.

    in reply to: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence #1442549
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    If what you are trying to prove creates a strong expectation of evidence, than the absence of evidence is evidence against.
    E.g.. it snowed all day and just stopped, but there is no snow outside. The absence of evidence to the claim makes it evident that it did not snow all day.

    in reply to: New Details About Ger That Got Married And Is Now A Rebbe #1439043
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    I read his bio on the above link, ( I may have been sent somewhere else from that page) where he described his path to Judaism, and what went into his chassidus. He lists what he’s versed and learned in, zero mention of gemarah. He lists many many other things. I wish him hatzlacha, but I doubt he’s qualified to lead a chassidus

    in reply to: Attention All Urban & Regional Planners! #1433534
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    I’m an urban planner/engineer. Community input meetings are common and usually at night, but in my experience those are the latest nights. As you may already know, A LOT of collaboration, and A LOT of communication with people out of your office, inevitably leading to A LOT of lost time due to confusion. Addiitionaly, A LOT of government red tape. The pay is decent but not a fortune, and actually differs a lot regionaly, so I cant speak to thst really.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1413019
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    To chabad shlucha and sechel and others. I don’t know how you made it this long. These chabad threads were unfair when the mods edited shlucha for “chashash apikorsus” (doubtful). They allowed a comment in calling the Rebbe some kofer from Russia.

    We also allowed a comment calling the Rebbe Nasi Hador. The facts are up for discussing, apikorsus is not.
    Syag lchachma
    What you are saying is an explanation on a source can’t be it’s own source. The Rebbe said it can the the reason the rebbe is correct. Chabad isn’t really saying that (even if they are using those words). EG. If you ask where the ramabm got a halacha, you can give the lamdus of where it came from, but I can ask why he is the lone opinion, and the only reaponse is his own svara. Thus he has a source that no one agrees with, and his way of understanding is his own source. Similar to lubavaitch understanding the rambam and different understandings of the Zohar ect. That’s true of pretty much all machlokes. The Rebbe may be wrong, but Chabads way of thinking is really not illogical if his argument is sound, wich chabad for whatever reason thinks is.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1412280
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    @chabadshlucha:
    Seriously curious, Is there a reason someone like the Chazon Ish isn’t also nasi hador? He created a frum community and hareadi movement in Israel. Is it simply he didn’t say so? Would there be a way to verify? And if not, does Chabad believe in an infinite number of moshiach or nisiam ha door? Let me Kno when if this was answered in other posts. Thanks for the discussion and holding up to the daggers

    in reply to: I will explain Chabad messianism 101 #1412069
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    Is there a reason someone like the Chazon Ish isn’t also nasi hador? He created a frum community and hareadi movement in Israel. Is it simply he didn’t say so? Would there be a way to verify? And if not, does Chabad believe in an infinite number of moshiach or nisiam ha door? Let me Kno when if this was answered in other posts

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1411701
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    @Put the gun down, put down your gun, someone skimmed 7 pages of posts instead of reading and remembering each Lubavaitcher position it’s really not a big deal. His point was his experience with Chabad.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1411208
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    Burntface, what do you mean lubavaitch has less? Lubavaitch has a tremendous amount of Torah from alter Rebbe to tzemach tzedek, RASHAB, ect. Do you mean Crown Heights?

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1411132
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    @moshiach chat, can you please source where the called himself a Navi? Other lubavaitch and knowledgeable people of course can answer

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1411087
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    professor Menachem Friedman of bar ilan in a published a study on chabad history, says the student records of the Rebbe as a student in Berlin, and in Paris state he never graduated and dropped many courses

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1410640
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    Rso raises a good point about the Rogotchover. I’ve read the Rebbe never actually earned an engineering degree as well. I’ll find the author who published that. anecdotally, I know a fair amount of adult lubavaitch, and they believe a lot of what some would call bubba meisas. Candle height at havdala determines shidduch, Hitler never took his shoes off ect.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1408890
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    Somewhat important backround, It should be noted, the opening perakim is the Tanya establishing his take on Tzadik vetov like/ Vera love/ Beinoni on a number of stiros between a number of gemmarahs. So the ideas of yetzer hara ect.. are his explanations on aggadici gemarrahs and statements chazal made and should be analyzed as such. its based in specific statements in chazal. Chabadshlucha didn’t go into that, because its the coffee room, and some commenters seem to be assuming the tanya just said those things. Nothing to do with moshiach stuff, just the questions on Tzadik and different pesukim.

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1408723
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    Daas yochid, you think like a meshichist

    in reply to: Mesichists Explained by ChabadShlucha #1408205
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    Are there leading mishichist rabbaim, that are respected scholars that really write about and defend their position?

    in reply to: Does “Chasidish” refer to both Satmar and Lubavitch? #1407832
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    responses to responses that don’t follow the what the original response was for?!?! The posters are too charged to realize they’re saying things nor in relation to what they think they’re responding too. Sad even for an online forum

    in reply to: Does “Chasidish” refer to both Satmar and Lubavitch? #1407828
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    This thread is one hot mess

    in reply to: Moreh Nevuchim #1405178
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    Gaon, and many more routinely cite the Moreh, but my impression (sort of confirmed in earlier comments) is that in more Yeshivish communities it is not studied, even when dealing with machshava. Many other sources come first, and Moreh won’t be metioned, even as a Daas Yachid the way in a halacha shiur a Daas Yachid would at least be metioned.

    in reply to: Moreh Nevuchim #1404987
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    Twisted, Interesting, for what age group? Do you mind me asking what type of school or yeshiva?

    in reply to: Moreh Nevuchim #1404474
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    I think it really is supposed to be the Rambams position of the basis of a Torah outlook. Im confused by what you mean by apologetics. Apologetics of what?
    Haleivi, you said the complaints are his “about his Taamei Hamitzvos (which don’t show up in the Yad), his explanation of the Merkava, and the implied dependence on the Torah being agreeable to philosophy.” That’s really what I was curious about. Granted he was considered wrong for lack of a better word, people still learn those sefarim in areas of halacha. We often don’t pasken lehalacha like the Rambam, but that’s important for our understanding halacha. That is also true in machshava. Is the sefer really more out of bounds than a typical daas yachid?

    in reply to: Moreh Nevuchim #1404300
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    I have a bachelor’s in philosophy and have, not a doctorate or anything but I think enough backround to make the call. He does say parts of it would be misunderstood by the masses, but that just as easily could mean he’s not as influenced by secular philosophy as it may seem, and we are misunderstanding his writing. Rambam/Moreh nevuchim’s approach was influenced by Aristotles style, but really only in a small area discusses his positions and conclusions. It is mostly a discussion of what he says is the correct approach to understanding difficulties in Tanach, and certain Miztvos. The Greeks didn’t deal with that.

    in reply to: Moreh Nevuchim #1404207
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    I have not learnt more nevuchim beginning to end, but I can say with certainty less than 25% deals with greek or secular philosophy. The overwhelming majority of it is simply Rambam discussing Torah inyanim.

    in reply to: Moreh Nevuchim #1403954
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    The ikkrei emuna are philosophy based, unless simply writing them in a halacha sefer makes them not. They are not based on mefurash pesukinm or spelled out in any gemarra as halacha.
    He lists ikrei emuna based on what a torah Jew can say about and believe about hashem, olam haba, ect., Based on tanach and Shas, interpreted non literally based on his philosophical approach. It’s very clear in how he writes this in yesodei hatorah and especially his peirush hamishnayus.

    in reply to: Moreh Nevuchim #1403889
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    We accept the Rambams definitions of what a torah Jew believes, (which was debated at the time,) but not his in depth explanation of Torah beliefs. Seems very strange. Why would we reject his philosophy work for being to philisophical but not his philosophy

    in reply to: Moreh Nevuchim #1403880
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    Chocos ha levavos and the Kuzari were also Arabic, they were both translated and seems they are more widely studied. I find it hard to believe that we ignore a sefer simply because it’s too difficult. If that were the case it comes out we infer Ramabams Hashkafa from his hallachik works out of laziness.

    in reply to: Drug crisis in Jewish community IS overrated!!!! #1396521
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    Freddyfish, you seem very naive to what a drug problem is. It’s not people walking around in a daze high as a kite all day. You really wouldn’t know.

    in reply to: The Pug CRISIS in the Jewish community is UNDERrated!!! #1395813
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    My neighbors growing up had a pug, and I now have a pug and he’s great!

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    Based only on my experience with divorced friends and aquaintences, i think the divorce problem starts before marriage. People getting married are not ready, and don’t know what to expect. Divorce rates are rising as the social fabric deteriorates.
    Unrelated question: has anybody ever met someone who divorced, and then wished they had stayed married to their previous spouse?
    Unrelated question 2: Joseph, are you married? If so, how long? (If that’s over the line mods can delete)

    in reply to: Feud between Chabad & Breslov #1353210
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    To Neville Chaimberlin: I was looking for what Chabad or Breslov says the reason is, that certainly doesn’t mean it’s correct or even grounded in reality. However, the idea that a demographic would just show “scorn” with no proclaimed reason is completely absurd. The “Chabad doesn’t like anyone” response is frankly insulting to my ability to discern a few interactions and comments I may have had vs real Chabad culture, history and sociology.
    I have heard Chabad Shluchim speak highly of Aish and Hillel, and know they work together. It nice to hear you’re not antichabad

    in reply to: Feud between Chabad & Breslov #1352964
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    Shlichus seems to me to be entirely different than what most people call kiruv. It’s nothing like Aish, or Ohr Sameyach, Gateways, ect. Shluchim do some kiruv, but really they’re extreme volunteers that do things for people including teaching and kiruv.

    in reply to: Feud between Chabad & Breslov #1351945
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    Ive got some clarification. Historically Chabad and Breslov we’re in good terms like many of you have pointed out. Breslovers, particularly in Israel distanced themselves a lot ( to be kind) from Chabad during the heights of the “yechi” days. I heard from a Chabad chasid living in Israel that even the na nachs mocked lubavaitch and were more respected than Chabad. Starting from the 70’s, and I would personally guess it’s better now. But some Lubavaitchers haven’t forgiven Breslov who are also sort of outsiders

    in reply to: Feud between Chabad & Breslov #1351585
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    I saw that quote and translation on Facebook from D Kaplan and r markel. I don’t know if you saw it there, but many comments mentioned that they were surprised, because Chabad and Breslov don’t like each other.

    in reply to: Calling cops on frum neighbor #1335259
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    Unless someone in that house would actually talk to the police or Shomrim, it wouldn’t help either. Police possibly would be better equipped to help, but it will likely be a long road.

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