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  • in reply to: Historical Record #1737478

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    Generally accetped frum view (artscroll) is just a hundred years.

    in reply to: Difference between Chabad and everyone else? #1720021

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    ” if you speak to your average Litvisher Yeshiva bochur…”
    It’s important to note, the average litvish yeshiva bachur does not get an equivalent education in litvish haskafa as do chassidic bachurim in chasidus. In fact they really get very very little.

    in reply to: Why do Chassidim seem happier. #1710346

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    They dont seem happier at all in my experience with the exception of psuedo breslov. What chassidim or where? Walking down the street in Williamsburg it people seem happier? Kiras Yoel? Chassidim in Bnei Brak? Are you sure you’re not thinking of the general happy chassid stereotype of Marim Buber, Gershom Scholem ect…


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    Baltimore has by far more violent crime per capita than any major city in America. I lived there until 5 years ago, my family is a mostly still there. I know 5 people who have had there cars stolen in baltimore recently. I still get shomrim notifications there, it’s rough. Many home invasions as well.
    Yserbius123, no frum baltimoreans went to jail? What?!?!?! You must have your head deep deep deep in the sand

    in reply to: The Shach #1706848

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    Rebetzin, Thank you

    in reply to: The Shach #1706323

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    Rebbitzen Goldenpickanicerscreenname, where did you hear Rav Hutner and the rebbe were chavrusas? I have heard that as well, but the Chabadskers I know have not heard this. And honestly Chabad knows EVERY detail of the Rebbes life, so I’m a little skeptical its true.
    Chabad members feel free to chime in as well.

    in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1680428

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    I’m not at all saying it is a halachic problem, i have Davened in places with giant rebbe pictures many times. It is unusual, and may lead people to think Chabad davens to rebbe pictures. It may even lead certain meshichist to think they’re davening to rebbe pictures.

    in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1680356

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    Chabad does no daven to images of the rebbe, but do have pictures of the rebbe in battei medrosh, yeshivas, and chabad houses in The room where regular minyanim take place.

    in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1672646

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    “Unless you’d like to clarify?”
    Rambam you’re referencing was brought up a few times by myself and others. She claims she addressed them, I don’t know where. It seems to me she really sincerely doesn’t see the issues.

    in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1652783

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    “The mistake they made was that Hashem never told us to worship the stars”
    Is that in the Rambam? He says the mistake was in the calculation, he hardly touches the actual worship of stars. It’s even more clear in Hebrew the mistake was in the thinking honoring those closer to Hashem is like honoring Hashem. I guess unless it’s a Rebbe

    in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1652600

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    CDS
    I know you can read a Rambam, and probably know that Rambam already. He clearly says what the the problem is, and it exactly what you say makes it kosher.
    “avoda zara if not within Hashem’s system… the egel was an outside entity that the yidden came up with”
    Here’s the English Rambam from Chabad.org

    Their mistake was as follows: They said God created stars and spheres with which to control the world. He placed them on high and treated them with honor, making them servants who minister before Him. Accordingly, it is fitting to praise and glorify them and to treat them with honor. [They perceived] this to be the will of God, blessed be He, that they magnify and honor those whom He magnified and honored, just as a king desires that the servants who stand before him be honored. Indeed, doing so is an expression of honor to the king.
    They clearly percieved it within the system. The Ramabm goes on as everyone knows and says only later false prophets took them away from Hashem, they remembered who they ultimately were serving, just they had an intemidiary. An I termediary who was closer to Hashem, who if they honored also honerd Hashem ect..

    in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1652500

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    “The role of a Rebbe is that by strengthening your connection to him you strengthen your connecting to Hashem.”
    The Ramabams Hilchos Ovodas Cochavim says very similar to how you’ve been explaining that.
    “וזו היתה טעותם אמרו הואיל והאלהים ברא כוכבים אלו וגלגלים להנהיג את העולם ונתנם במרום וחלק להם כבוד והם שמשים המשמשים לפניו ראויין הם לשבחם ולפארם ולחלוק להם כבוד וזהו רצון האל ברוך הוא לגדל ולכבד מי שגדלו וכבדו כמו שהמלך רוצה לכבד העומדים …לפניו וזהו כבודו של ”
    “If it really was a problem and distracted from Hashem, then MY generation would have mostly forgotten Hashem cvs or Chabad would have broken down and joined other groups”
    The meshichist are unfortunately already viewed as another group. I have witnessed Meshichists thrown out of three seperate Chabad shuls for chanting “yechi” (I frequent chabad shuls and events as my relatives are Chabad, one Baltimore, Philadelphia, & one Chabad Shtieble in Montreal). I have seen many Chasidic Litvish “mixed marraiges”, myself included. I doubt anyone has witnessed that with meshichists, unless one partner became a meshichist before they were even redt the shidduch. Meshichists are their own group already.
    I’m not saying they dont give tzedakah to all Jews, or are bad neighbors. Meshichists are not necessarily Kofrim, but they are not viewed in Orthodox Judaisim as just “eilu v’eilu”. In general all other Chassidim are, Chabad included. Meshichists views are just not viewed as part of the same group as the rest.

    in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1649867

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    “The fact this is halacha shows us that we should be looking out to identify such a person and that it is normal and a good thing to do so, This has in fact been the case throughout history where various students claimed their teachers were worthy of being Moshiach.”
    How so? There are many halachic principals that exist that we do not look to fulfill as they don’t seem to apply, although they might apply.
    In fact there were major machlokesim regarding wether we can bring certain karbanos when we started resettling Israel. There are valid halachic reasons to bring some karbanos nowadays (even though they might never have planned on doing it). Should we be looking to bring karbanos? It is halacha, does it show us that we should be looking to deem a karbon fit, because the halachic argument exists, even though it’s a stretch?
    CS, you said the fact this is halacha (that halacha explains who can be moshiach) tells us to look for someone who fits the halachic requirements. Do you see that in other areas of halacha (I think I provided a counter, explain why I didn’t if you like)? If not, how do you think “looking” is a valid idea in this area of halacha?

    in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1648918

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    “And in other places he says Kaviyachol. This is not meant to be taken literally, and is kefira if it is. We do not have GOD in us, we have GODLINESS. Big difference – and is the difference between yiddishkeit and kefira. A mistake in this is a mistake in yichud Hashem!!!!”
    Are saying that what what the Bal hatanya says in Tanya that נפש בשנית בישראל היא חלק אלקה ממעל משש is kefirah and making a mistake in yechud Hashem?
    Just need some clarification.
    Chossid, that is an old machlokes. Many hold the Alter rebbe says outright kefira. People try and say its not literal but unlikely, he says mamash. You guys may just but heads here for nothing.

    in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1645177

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    “Without defending the practice, the Heteirim to do a Goral HaGra don’t apply to fortune cookies”
    Do you really think you or chabadshlucha are performing a goral hagra? Do you think you’re utilizing its principals? You guys really understand how it works so you can do similar things? Do you know when we do a goral hagra? and why only in those cases?
    NOTHING TO DO WITH A GORAL HAGRA

    in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1645085

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    “Really not. If you’re sincere your not looking to do what you would prefer. You look to do what the right thing is. And it’s not always easy. I went to a different seminary than I the one I dreamed of for years because the letter was so clear that that was the right thing to do. It was one of the most difficult things for me to do, but looking back, it brought me many brachos and I’m so glad I did it.”
    I completely understand that, and believe a large number of chassidus experience that as well. It doesn’t mean you received any information directed at you from the rebbe. It is what you imagine he is saying to you. With sincere respect to you and the rebbe, it’s not different than getting a fortune cookie during a difficult time, when you meed some advice, and thinking “Hashem put this very cookie, in my hand, at this moment! I could have taken any other one, or eaten somewhere else! After all, Hashem does run every aspect of my life, this must be a message!”

    in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1644890

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    Syag lchachma, agreed, although I’m sure there are live rebbe that refer chabadshlucha to the rebbe igros.
    The whole thing is a really strange Rorschach where they end up doing what they would have in the first place.

    in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1644869

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    Chossid:
    “This igros thing that you expect answers from the Rebbe is garbage. The Rebbe said on the friediker Rebbe that HE will find away to answer, not that YOU find him away
    to answer,”

    Listen chossid unlike you who are still in the walls of Yeshiva, im in the Olam hazeh hagashmi, where I need to make life altering decisions many times and really do need urgent anders on a regular basis. Maybe it is a bit of a chutzpa of me, but I do try to make it a two way Street and devote myself fully to the Rebbe’s shlichus and be the Rebbe’s chossid as much as I can. So if it works, then the Rebbe is going along with it and I couldn’t be happier.

    It’s ironic, that because you live in “Olam hazeh hagashmi”, you make an extra effort to communicate with the rebbe. you don’t see the irony?

    in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1644146

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    “Listen chossid unlike you who are still in the walls of Yeshiva,  im in the Olam hazeh hagashmi, where I need to make life altering decisions many times…”
    Ironic

    in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1641707

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    Chabadshlucha, what you are quoting doeant actually contain an actual halacha. He is saying how important it is to follow chachmei yisroel/rabbanim, before getting into the halachos. All that can be taken from that is the severity of violating am undefined halacha. There is actually no contradiction at all between your post and YR

    in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1641570

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    “And that’s aside from the fact that it’s halacha that you’re not allowed to doubt your Rebbe, and if you do youre doubting Hashem. Hilchos TT 5:5. ”

    “Ahh, but אחר used to be עלישה בן אבוי׳ who we quote in פרקי אבות and went off the derech because he couldn’t keep the level he was on (פרגוד) and he taught ר מאיר before he went off”

    Yes so what? Once he became a kofer and was acknowledged as such by everyone including himself, he was no longer a Rebbe, thus the halacha didn’t apply.”

    It seems to chabadshluch You simply can’t go against a rebbe, unless the halacha doesn’t apply, eg. You’re a kofer thus not a rebbe. I hope I misunderstood her point

    in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1641493

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    “Ahh, but אחר used to be עלישה בן אבוי׳ who we quote in פרקי אבות and went off the derech because he couldn’t keep the level he was on (פרגוד) and he taught ר מאיר before he went off”

    Yes so what? Once he became a kofer and was acknowledged as such by everyone including himself, he was no longer a Rebbe, thus the halacha didn’t apply.”
    What about the hundreds (probably thousands) of examples in shas and poskim where rabbanim do not hold like their predecessors and their own rabbanim, including the Rambam MANY times? Do you honestly think your understanding of the Rambam is even close to correct? You literally cannot hold different than your rebbe? I can read the Rambam too, but to apply such a superficial reading to this discussion, especially when the plain reading is already clearly not how our mesorah works (where there are differences in psak from rebbe to talmud), is pretty shocking.

    in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1640451

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    “[1]. Try getting a really Yeshivish person to say the words “The Chazon Ish said X. That was just wrong of him, and we’re suffering from his mistake to this day. We should have done Y. He’s human, he erred”. They’ll squirm, and will feel blasphemous uttering such a sentence. Just as we’d feel saying such a thing about the Rebbe.”
    Totally false.
    I think this is one of the key differences, and is not true. The yeshivish/Litvish community would not squirm in the same way. Half my family is chabad (a few shluchim,a sister and brother in law meshichist), the other half yeshivish. A Gadol is NOT AT ALL a “litvisher Rebbe”. The Litvish community is good at saying “This part of what Gadol X said is wrong” and just cuts it out, ignores it. It’s very common

    in reply to: Skokie Rosh Yeshiva stories #1639709

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    I heard both these stories from Chicago natives, among others. I do not know if they went to that yeshiva.
    Participant, who was it about?

    in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1639279

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    How does the previous rebbe explain the “sundial story”? What is it? I found a different versions

    in reply to: Rav Chaim: A Nebach Apikorus is also an Apikorus #1576210

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    “G-d’s actual image. Does that mean that G-d has athlete’s foot, as man does?”
    Leibidik yankel, medium thinker
    The very first point Rambam makes in moreh nevuchim (chalek 1 perek 1), is that saying Hashem doesn’t have a guf (like you’re saying), but some spiritual idea of form (as I understand you’re saying in 2nd reading, zelem dmus), is kefirah. He then includes that position as saying Hashem has a form (uses words zelem and dmus).
    That being said, I can’t believe Rashi held guf mamash or anything close to that. It sounds insane.

    in reply to: Bug Checking #1553626

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    Shuali
    He is discussing only small bugs, like we see in your 3rd point, so your first point isn’t so relevant.
    As for your 2nd point, people pasken you CAN’T check many vegetables AT ALL, strawberries, brusselsprouts, ect… it is certainly not so easy to wash bugs off.
    So, for small bugs, perhaps we can call them batel, such is his point.
    As for your 5th point, are there any teshuvos written on the topic, I would like to really look I to this, I came across that information online from the OU and StarK, but with no sources listed.

    in reply to: Bug Checking #1552968

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    Rabbi Eliezer Melamed, & no one is forced to eat bugs. I don’t know what that is in reference to. I’m curious if/why Rav belsky says the same regarding vegetables.

    in reply to: Bug Checking #1552914

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    It seems If it’s mutar to drink from the tap in ny, either the bugs cannot be seen with the naked eye or really all vegetable are in the same category and also mutar. Or vegetables have so.ethikng else going on entirely

    in reply to: Bug Checking #1552739

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    So do most poskim hold the new York water is assur deorysa to drink unfilteredfrom the tap? I’m not familiar with the situation over there, but I was surprised that people would say lettuce and broccoli doesn’t need to be checked.

    in reply to: Bug Checking #1552724

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    This rav says even bugs that can be visible to the naked eye, such I believe is not relevant to the new York water.

    in reply to: Amudim: Abuse often occurs within your home . #1548635

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    It’s time, I’m questioning whether our communities are “str9nger” or “more durable”. I believe that was clear

    in reply to: Amudim: Abuse often occurs within your home . #1548560

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    It’s time for the truth, drug abuse, mental health problems, and suicide were pushed under the rug as well. So yes co.munities grew in numbers, but how would you say stronger or more durable when the methodology of growing strong communities is pushing things under the rug?

    in reply to: Anti Semitic topic in foxnews.com #1538176

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    The Fox News audience/target market is a more right wing and patriotic, pro assimilation crowd. Fox isn’t presenting a cultural study to open minded readers. They are highlighting another group of immigrants that soak up resources and dont want to join American society. And please don’t ignore the huge sums of money that go into market research, they know who is reading and what the reactions of their readers are. MSNBC readers may not view this (ongoing) series of articles problematic, but Fox readers don’t like “freeloaders”, and Fox is intentionally lighting a fire.

    in reply to: Goral Hagra #1530018

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    I know little about this subject. Is there a way to determine it was succesful/accurate? If not, how is it anything more than a mechanical process that anyone can perform?


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    YU has English shiurim on the topic online. Even if they’re left leaning for you, they’ll reference many sources for further research.

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1512638

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    Roman Polanski and Harvey Weinstein

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1512616

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    Lesschumras, that’s a different guy. He a director, lots of shady characters in Hollywood. There is an american produce r (bankroller) who has been shunned and kicked out of his company by his board and investors over the last year.

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1512562

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    Carlebach is accused of the same things as the movie producer, neshamale acknowledges it and has support groups

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1512445

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    Gain, carlebach is in the same boat as said movie producer

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1512428

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    The little I know: I never ever suggested taking any sort of action or to stop using his nighunim, I will absolutely continue to do so. I don’t think it’s so obvious though. What you are also saying is really that there is no social responsibility to do anything ever. Live and let live is really not taking any sort of action. If people are ever required to get involved, that is an imposition of will. Is it ever required in your opinion? You seem to say not. Maybe you don’t think it’s required here, which is ok. I don’t really think it is here, but it’s not so clear. Sometimes it is necessary for one group to impose on another, I think that is obvious.

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1511892

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    It is appropriate to not support the business of a get refused, with or without a public statement of a vaad or bais din. Same with a moser, etc. This really has nothi g to do with judging their individual character, I do not know how their mind works, or what drove them to their decisions. These people really may go to a higher place in Olem Hannah than anyone we come into to contact with, and we shouldn’t speculate. It is Hashem who judges, but people absolutely have social responsibilities. I don’t believe any frum community looks the other way all the time, we all have a line were the actions of someone compel us to act a certain way toward them. To pretend otherwise is willfuly naive. If it doesn’t apply to carlebach that’s perfectly acceptable, but this don’t judge is reactive nonsense, immature thinking, and has nothing to do with anything.

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1511745

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    Zhavasdad, +1, although most people don’t know what your talking about

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1510762

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    Grosserchacham, I really just wanted to know the justification of people, who already disagree with his actions and m.o. That’s why I tried to keep it to black hat, vs ultra right wing like an aggudah type shul. Both groups aren’t the typical carlebach type. Certainly if you there is no problem with carlebach there’s nothing to talk about. Thjis is specifically a question for people who do not stand at all with carlebach but are more than happy to sing his kabbolos shabbos. Don’t kid yourself into thinking I’m the first to raise this point, it’s no smear campaign. I’m sorry this has offended you

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1510676

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    Grooswr chachum, I would post full answer but it is not allowed on coffeeroom. This is not simply a hashkafic issue, not an issue of mixes concerts or woman’s place in yiddisheit, he was openly stating things that are assur are mutter. In terms of who is ok and who isnt, we cannot go into details. If you don’t know what I’m referring to, we will have to leave it at that.

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1510669

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    I heard quoted from a teshuva of Rav menashe Klein, his niggunim are assur, even his early ones. I have not seen it inside, and understand he’s generally pretty machmir, and certaintlt accept the above rav moshe. But to say we separate the person from the product is not simple, and not always true. To avoid having comments deleted again I’ll just say the problems with him are serious it seems we shouldn’t be so comfortable using his songs.

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1510580

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    The little I know, we often do judge character when it comes to cases that affect the rabbim. Carlebach gave smicha to women, amd was a instrumental in women of the wall, both thi gs we activilely dissascociate with. I don’t know of anyone who goes to hear women of the wall or yct rabbis on certain topics because it lifts them spiritually and than separate from them because of there other behaviors. Carlebach really pushed his ideology and from what I know we do cut ties with leaders of dangerous movements like that. But for some reason, we just like his songs and they get a pass.
    To be clear I’m talking about his ideology, and actions in his shuls, removing mechitzos ect. Not his personal character or negiah issue

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1510351

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    I understand, and grew up I. Shuls that ocasiionaly used his niggunim, but I would think not using his songs is clearly the right thing. He pretty openly pushed for some shocking thing, bordering on conservative ideology. We wouldnt use conservative “good tunes”

    in reply to: Carlebach niggunim #1510337

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    Clarification post: I’m wondering how some communities use his niggunim, give some controversial ideas and practices he used, even when they were clearly against what these communities stand for.

    in reply to: Sefer aishey yisroel #1507166

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    Thanks for all the responses, much appreciated

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