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Ashregg faith is something you need to implement by being a decent person. Hello.
Choices have consenquences so telling people what they need to hear will allow for introspection
You want to continue the status qoa and then the compounded inherint reactions of those actions?
We are suffering, internally externally, and not for nought
If I act cruelty and justify myself mostly because nobody holds a mirror to my actions I’ll never see what I’m doing or never correct what can easily be corrected
It’s not that hard to respect others.
If I am asked to degrade something to fulfill an agenda I have, it’s not that easy to look inward and make a different decision.
Yes it requires faith. Faith in a higher plan, aren’t we talking about this everyday believing in God? What does that mean. It means having faith in his plan not my plan.
That means when I try to change reality by being cruel and filling my horrid selfish self serving cruel needs, I instead act in a way that is correct and leave the rest to God
Who will take care and fill the gaps where my need for control tried to fill by being cruel.
Faith requires us to do the right the thing and then letting the componanst that God decides to pull together to pull together.
Doing the right thing, takes faith because everything else is an illusion of control.
But cruelty doesn’t serve us. It only harms us….and compounds interest.Elitist people are disgusting people. Honestly. Not only do they measure you by standards that are impossible to meet they also manage to shake the foundation of your confidence just by being in their presence. It’s some kind of sorcery in my oppinon. Cuz it’s almost supernatural control (I’m joking but that’s what it feels like) I can understand why people would fold to their norms it’s like they suffocate the air out of everything that breaths. And now imagine that on a collective level. There’s no room for anybody else.
But what does that show? It shows a deep lack of charachtor and moral clarity and depth and you don’t want them as your friends.
We are all going to have to collectively tap into something deeper, into truth. Into morality into virtue and that comes from inner streighth, faith and conviction of rightousness.
Once you get to that place, even if its callasolly difficult, you know who you will hang onto for dear life? God. And when your in that horrid place where you feel like you’ve been dehumanized to a tiny fraction of who you are, your going to have to find it in you to reach out to God to give you the strength to fallow through despite the horrid abusive rhetoric.
This is where I believe people realize they need their creator, because we are so human and so fallable we cannot do it alone.Ashregg I can see what your saying and that’s a healthy perspective but, why is everything about everybody being the exact same
I understand why your saying “the rich need to change” but it’s starting to sound like communism “tax the rich”
Yes they shouldn’t be so rude to raise the bar. That’s between them and God honestly because what they are doing is callasolly wrong in many ways. It’s like buying a fancy house in a poor neighborhood and making everyone feel inferior. Yes your right about that.
But because we can’t control others. We have to have faith and streieghth to do what works for us.
A socioty that respects the individual and allows for individuality, are actually a much more wholesome and happier place to exist in. I mean just look at out of town. Thier way more accepting cuz people. Don’t. Care. It depends on people’s character honestly so you need new friends. That’s all I’m saying.“wierd” weddings. None of those weddings were wierd at all. They were very joyful and no one cared. Your hanging out with the wrong people clearly.
Also another point, which contradicts what I first said somewhat. But if the Torah or life was all about God why didn’t it just say “serve God” and that’s it. But it doesn’t say that cuz God is not an ego maniac. He gives rules and framework for you to fallow so that _you_ live within the framework of reality and don’t get hurt by not keeping moral virtues. That means the Torah isn’t about God. It’s all about _you_. God cares about _you_ and wants the best life for you. That’s why he gave us guidance and a moral framework to live by so that we don’t fall into moral decay.
This is not about serving a diety it’s about _you_ your health and your happinessI also don’t think the entirety of life is to “serve God” the entirety of life is to be _humam_ treat others respectfully and be true to yourself and your circumstances. It’s not that deep. God is there when you need him
What were people created for….that’s a good question….I guess you can say to serve God. Yes, but not negate the self in the process but to honor the self. Because only through the self can you be used by God.
If I don’t maintain self respect and I sacrifice myself for anyone else including God, that’s not respecting gods creation. cuz I am a conduit for God and in order to serve God properly I need to be authentic and true to myself true to morality, true to right and wrong. True to reality.
Through the self comes my actions and choices and I either can be used by demonic forces/dark forces/ bad forces, which usually ask me to degrade myself, sell myself, and overall disrespect my own needs in order to “serve” that force. or I can serve God who loves each creation as He created them and also respects His creation enough to honor their needs as he designed them.
There are two forces on earth good and bad
Good is: love, kindness, discipline wisdom, truth, discernment, care, willingness, and authenticity
On the opposite end is: disrespect, control, humiliation, cruelty, ego, arragence, deception, dogma, disconnect
The other two diametrical forces are: sorcery and nevuah
Darkness and light
You can find out which “diety” or “force” you are serving by asking yourself what that “diety” or “force” is asking of you. Or what the end result of that belief system produces.
Does it produce authenticity, kindness, wisdom, care, discipline, truth
Or does it produce, arragence, control, hatred, sacrifice, or control.
If you are not respected as a person but you need to sacrifice yourself. That’s not good.
If you are asked to do things that harm yourself or others
That’s not good
If you are not allowed to be who you were created to be that is not good
You can’t be used by God if you are not in alignment with GodQwerty you have a habit of denegrating anyone who doesn’t think like you. How do you know your view is the correct one?
By saying certain things your pointing and asking people to have blind faith without critical thinking and again I don’t think we are designed that way. Explain to me if you want, how your view is not blind faith
Ashreg because thats what you are saying without realizing it. You don’t have to say it outright to live like that and to act that way. Alot of your views are pointing in that direction and I’m just unpacking it in a way so you see what your really saying without realizing your saying it. That’s first
Second I don’t think it’s extreme lol it’s reality of how many people view certain things which I think isnt grounded in reality. That’s all.I know someone who’s seen multitudes of different weddings, a vort with cake and shnapps, a wedding outside on a property (there was tons of people there) a wedding in a shul, and so many others. They told me that nobody looked at them weirdly or oddly everyone was ecstatic for the couple. I think what you might need to do is change your friends and your surroundings to people who will actually accept you and your circumstances.
Cuz those are not good companyI understand why you say you can’t. But let’s use the word won’t. Because you still have free agency even if you don’t realize it
Chaim we are going in circles true but who cares haha.
you may not feel you do, but you do and you have much more power and influence then you realize. And yes the rich guy has more “influence” materially but remember influence is also spiritual, so that suffocating feeling of being forced to bend to the rich guys will, (which is spiritual servitude multiplied by the amount of people who play into that collectively which creates a spiritual cloud of extreme control) can be mitigated by you by breaking free. And also by leading. You just have to take initiative and the entire spiritual cloud falls apart. Let me give you example
If i had an employer that was able to control everyone and nobody ever did anything about it, and they would all suffer silently under his/her thumb because they were afraid, But the second someone walks in and breaks that bondage by being true to themselves and not letting her step all over them, that sets the stage for others to do the same. It’s like a path in the oceon created for others to guide themselves out of slavery.You by nature have multiple opinions about things just by nature of existing and your going to act on what you feel is the best choice to make. Delegating those choices to an outside source doesn’t exempt you from the reality of your choices. Sorry
At the same time, even if you don’t listen you learn by virtue of life what is in the best interest for yourself and others. It’s not that hard.
I think when we give our authority away, we can do great evil and in that same framework we end up being immoral and lose our conscience because we exempt ourselves from critical thought.
I don’t think this ever translates good in any scanario. It translates to dogmatic sheeple speak where people lose touch with reality.
There’s so many examples of this, for example, feminists: all they do is parrot talking points and sheeple speak and then mumble off a bunch of fake science cuz thats what they are force fed for years. People can use all different types of “authority” to do this, including “science” “phsycology” the second you parrot authority because of “authority” and stop critically thinking you become disconnected from the root and inherint unrighteousness of specific choices. Feminists for example never looked at reality to see if what they believe is true. They just parrot what they are told.
That’s not truth that’s delusional thinking.
There’s multitudes of these kinds of examples on all different plains of existenceBecause blind faith is not how humans were created to operate. We are supposed to think critically about things we are told. Because if that same authority figure tells you to do something wrong you should be using your free will as discernment so you don’t end up doing something you shouldn’t. I’m not saying rabbanim intend for that, and I can respect our respect for them. And honestly putting rabbanim aside because that’s a whole different topic. I think as sovereign individuals we shouldn’t be moving towards tyranny in any of our dealings with life as we are the sole bearer of our choices and also the sole bearer of the consequences of said choices, you can’t delegate your free will to someone else and then think we are exempt from the consenquences of your own choices. We can listen to sense and then decipher and do what is right.
I’m just curious do you follow anything anyone else says blindly in any other context? No, I don’t think so.We are all naturally connected to the Devine by existing and he’s not going to ask the same thing from each of us because each person has their own unique journey that’s why when a socioty conforms to the same ideal they are denying themselves the unique journey god chose for them.
You don’t need “intention” to serve the Devine. I sometimes think you don’t know who God is and your not connected to God at all but serving something else that’s trying to control your life force and make you lose your free will. These are not biblical morals.Self sacrifice is a still a sacrifice on an alter of “intention” or “service” “greater good” or “conformity” these are all alters. And these alters block you from an actual relationship with your true creator
Ashregg how do you know what each person’s individual purpous is. Are you a navi. Only the person themslevs can know that or someone with that ability to see.
Every person has a different purpous lol.
Look at Moshe then look at avraham avinu, then look at soloman, then look at rus.
How do you know what each person’s path is. You don’t.
Again intention comes from the heart and alignment you can’t force yourself to feel something you don’t feel
Saying “without that intention” your saying you need to create that intention which thus is being disingenuous people will connect when they feel called to it. Not because they have to or are supposed to or are told to. Otherwise it’s called self deception.
“The only way to serve hashem is with intention to serve him”
People serve God cuz they feel connected to God because of all the amazing things god calls them to do or does for them.
It’s not because they put themselves on the back burner and sell themselves to some higher diety. This is litterally starting to sound like self sacrifice which is called idolitryAlso ashregg Theres alot of interpetations of the Torah, by virtue of all the arguments in the talmud so people are very capable of giving over information that isn’t in alignment with the heart of the message. And therfore human error can very easily be part of the system, especially when the message can be more fear based then what the original content implied. But whatever you want to believe
Again that is true. But your using them as an authority on Torah. It’s all authority.
Again, there is intention, which comes from the heart then there is intention to gain spiritual access which is esoteric at it’s root, which has roots in sorcery. I understand your point but what I’m saying is that God cares about you. You are important to Him, so your life and your unique journey is the center, of His will, as is the will of the whole picture. They can both be true at the same time. Thats how ultimate God is that He can use little old us to serve His purposes while fulfilling our immediate needs which is litterly a huge part of our lives. Unless you believe you don’t exist at all and your needs don’t matter at all
The escooters is good sense everything else is opinion
Or it’s just a corrupted system and everybody plays into it. Kudos to all the leaders
Ok. So try and change the rich. I’ll be waiting. Second the fact that everyone fallows the leader is so imiture. Lol. Maybe people should grow a backbone. Third I see where you are coming from but why can’t _you_ set an example as well. The same way other people can set an example so can you
“Ritual Precision, magical spells required exact pronunciation of prayers and precise physical actions; even a minor error could invalidate the ritual”
Hmm wonder what this sounds like. Practicing ceremonial magic alters a person’s conscience and connects them to estoric forces that separate a person from God“Ceremonial magic is classified as occult”
“The occult is considered anti-biblical because it is viewed as a rebellion against the creators sovereignty, attempting to gain hidden knowledge or power through means explicitly forbidden in the Torah. Torah texts, such as Deuteronomy 18:10-12 and Leviticus 20:27, categorize practices like divination, sorcery, and spiritism as abominations or detestable acts that open individuals to demonic influence and deception”
(Which is true)Key reasons for this condemnation
Bypassing God’s Authority: Occult practices are seen as an attempt to circumvent God’s revealed will and manifested will. seeking control over the future or spiritual realms independently of God.
Spiritual Deception: Scripture warns that these practices are often fraudulent illusions or manifestations of demonic powers, leading believers away from the true God toward spiritual destruction
Ok so tread carefully when you talk about “intention” these are occult concepts.
“Ceremonial magic, often termed high magic, constitutes a structured esoteric tradition characterized by elaborate rituals, symbolic implements, and invocations designed to access higher spiritual realms and facilitate theurgic operations, which emphasize divine union and spiritual elevation, in contrast to goetia, which involves the compulsion of lower spirits for material ends.[8] This practice relies on precise ceremonial frameworks to “”””align the practitioner’s consciousness”””””” (intention) with transcendent forces, distinguishing it from more improvisational forms of magic through its emphasis on disciplined invocation and symbolic precision.
Aka sorcery. Not everything you do with intention is good
Ashregg, first of all I thought nevuah is obselete so how can you say daas Torah is Devine knowledge, second those people are still human and can err. Only God doesn’t err. So are you placing them as the Same level as God.
Also how Is daas Torah different then authority, they are autheoritivly telling you their psak and you use them as an authority figure. Not sure how you mean it’s different their inherinitly the same thing.
Nobody has monopoly on the truth.
If someone’s human they can err. If they look like you they can err just like you. Cuz they are you just with different beliefs?God can litterally interconnect all things including using your life for the bigger picture without you having to focus on. That’s how great God is that He can move all moving parts and every single creation can get what they need while also playing into the bigger design of things lol. It’s not your responsibility to play that part
You are the center and the goal your life is gods responsibility and his love for you means he cares about all your woes, pain and suffering and he’s looking out for you. You can be the goal and everybody can be the goal and that all at the same time can play into the bigger picture as well. That’s how amazing God is that he can do all things and everything can play into each other with all its moving parts exactly as is. Do you believe God can do that cuz he can