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Ashregg “we believe in spirituality and the essence of spirituality is intention”
Your sure you don’t believe in sorcery cuz that’s what sorcery is. If your not familiarFlaming otd. It sounds nice on paper what your saying
But there are times where emotion, which is feminine needs to be balanced by logic which is masculine and boundaries
Not everything can be about feeling sometimes things need to be about doing what is neccisary even if it hurts.
These people aren’t running away from a war or the holocaust they are actually being payed by special interests with fake promises, to flood America, on purpous. Lol to take over to affect the national elections.
This is not people fleeing a difficult situation this is a deliberate takeover by special intrets for whatever political agenda they have. America first.Honestly I see both sides, they both have merit, on one hand this world has gotten so extreme in the teenage scene I think there’s merit to say that it’s become unacceptable,
On the other hand we preach lashon hara all day, so publicly bashing a store is technically hypocritical and the whole thing sounds like a cliquey us versus them, secret board room meeting where 2 people decided, with bad faith to get back at someone.
The intent feels cliquey and self serving.
I’ve been in plenty of situations where people would put their heads together and ignore me, even tho they barely knew me which, was extremely cruel and immature, so that’s what this feels like.*Abraham ( spell check)
Chaim everything is faith based. Lol. It doesn’t matter what your doing you need faith. Especially when your in a situation of extreme conformity and control you need superhuman straighth to _be yourself_ despite the naysayers. That takes tremendous faith. If you want to call it faith in yourself. faith in your conviction. Or just faith in God. You can call it that. But you need faith to do what is right.
The collective has alot of control.
Imagine you lived in a collective society of idolitry, like Abraham avinu, and you decided its bs, you think Abraham wasn’t scared when he broke the idols….his father’s anger I’m sure made him afraid but he was driven by conviction and understood what is right. He also stood in opposition to everything those times stood for.
What about noach who built the tevah for 300 years. He was fighting against a degenerate socioty that laughed at him but he had faith in his conviction and faith in the truth.
Doing what is right is never going to be easy. Especially when the collective asks us to drive ourselves insane to conform.
It’s like a very domineering employer who has absolute control….now imagine multitudes and multides of those domineering people. There is fear there. Tremendous fear. But the opposite of fear is faith. That is the anecdoteKoifer bikur so? Doesn’t make it correct sorry
Chaim. Honestly I get where you are coming from again, but your digging your own grave and waiting for others to change. That’s never going to happen ever.
I actually feel like I’m butchering the whole intention thing because in many scenarios like tefillah for example if I change my intent to fit someone else’s objective I’m inherinitly not praying with my true intentions.
So there are many scenarios where you are correct and many scanarios where I am correct. I guess the circumstances matterAlso, the intent of something is true, your right about that.
But when you come into a scanario already deciding what intent your supposed to have, then your not being truthful. Your forcing yourself to align to a belief system
Intent and true intent is already within the framework of circumstances and also, giving tzedakah, whether you give with a specific intent or you don’t the action is still the exact same.
I think tho that intent matters to God yes. But not because your forcing yourself but because God take into account, let’s say if you did something stupid, God takes into account the heart of man, which means for the right intentions there is more mercy.
But the actions, and the consequences of actions are the same
If I drove off a cliff, and I had good intentions I still drove off a cliff and now I need to live with those choicesYour confusing alot of what I’m saying. The self is used to serve God. You are a conduit and through your feelings consciounce wellbeing, wisdom understanding and discernment, you can decipher what needs to be done at any given moment. In all your circumstances. You cannot detract the self from reality. Both play into the other. having the Torah as a guide, especially when all it’s arigorical stories teach us many lessons of life it helps guide the self through reality as is.
Everyone keeps saying “i serve myself”
No I use myself as a conduit because I was created to do so. That means if I don’t agree with something I don’t have to agree with it. Most times thats because we were designed for discernment.
We are also saying the exact same thing about prayer.
I’m not sure intention changes the essence of an action,
I see your point to a degree, but if I feel something, changing my feelings about it thus becomes disingenuous lol.
So if I go into prayer feeling a certain way but I change it for an outside belief system because I need to have better “intentions” that’s borderline sorcery.
You don’t really know what sorcery is but it’s the use of intention to change realityAshregg
If I told you something you disagree with and you fallow it because i have some “authority” erm that will lead to resentment honestly because I feel I have no choice even tho I possibly disagree with it.
Even tho I understand why we must fallow without questioning, obviously cuz clearly that’s the ultimate virtue disagreeing with authority doesn’t mean you disrespect them just means you don’t see eye to eye.
I think people constantly take difference of oppinon as an “affront” or disrespect but that’s not the base intention. It’s just….I see your viewpoint, but I think, my viewpoint makes more sense.
I don’t want to get in going against “daas Torah” but in any other scenario, if someone gave us a final verdict and we see things from a much different perspective, would you call that disrespecting authority or would you call that….simply having a different opinion and doing what you feel makes the most sense.
I think anytime you give up your free will to an authority figure and especially if you don’t see eye to eye with that authority figure. your chaining your life to something that isn’t in alignment with your own virtue.
Whoa responsibility is it to choose? Yours or someone’s else’s. Yours.
In the same breadth I think, are you saying humans do not err?
And what if that human errs will you still follow them?I’m not sure why you believe that worshiping God means disconnecting from yourself and authenticity…lol your prayers come from your voice and your voice comes from within and your emotions is what drives the need to reach out to God. Lol
Do you ask people for help when you don’t need it?
Or do you speak when you need to speak and reach out when you need to reach out, do you appreciate what someone does for you when they haven’t done anything for you or do you have a deep feeling of appreciation and respect when they do something good for you.
Relationship is inherint in our way of life. If you can have a relationship with yourself, a relationship with others not sure why the rules suddenly changes when it comes to your creator.
I’m just wondering what connection really means if there is no real connection and it’s based off dogma and what your sapoosed to do.
Let’s translate that belief to how a friend treats you, they don’t want to connect but they do so out of obligation,
Isn’t that somewhat foolish.
They ask for things they don’t need and you give it to them
Um what?
A real relationship, one that is authentic can only happen when your friend listens to themslevs and asks and speaks when they need to not when they don’t.
That’s true connection otherwise it’s _control_
See?Ahregg the thing about Harvard is elite. That means their a bunch of snobs and everybody that goes there are snobs. Our yeshivos are not supposed to be Harvard.
Lets look at what elitists mentality really is:“An elitist mentality is widely criticized for fostering arrogance, social division, and a lack of empathy toward those outside the privileged group. By believing they are inherently superior, elitists often engage in condescension and exclusion, which creates hostile environments and marginalizes others. This mindset can also stifle innovation by resisting new ideas that challenge the status quo and lead to groupthink among like-minded individuals.
Furthermore, elitism is associated with immaturity and entitlement, where individuals seek validation through superiority rather than genuine human connection. This attitude can damage personal and professional relationships, as elitists are perceived as insensitive and dismissive of diverse perspectives and struggles. In broader societal contexts, it undermines trust in institutions and leadership, as the focus on maintaining high status often comes at the expense of the common good”
This is biblical?
Is this how our forbears expected us to act. Is this how they acted? I don’t think soThe little I know
Honestly I’m disgusted…lol everything is image. There’s no humanity left. Humanity is dead. What in the elite is thisAlso doing bad things in the name of good causes comes with alot of suffering. We reap what we sow and it translates to a lot of internal suffering, missed opportunities etc etc.
The system is as difficult as we have made it. We, chose this. By lack of faith. And by lack of humanity. SorryYour standing in a river and you need to grow, that means having faith and jumping into the river. Across the river is your freedom but your so scared of what everybody will think your stuck.
Stop. Put your faith in God not people. God gives everyone the streinghth to do what needs to be done despite what the naysayers say. Your like frozen in fear.
Who is your God? People? Socioty? Social norms? These are idols. they are blinding you from reaching out to your Devine creator and relying on Him for your courage and relying on him for your self concept, and self esteem.Chaim _you_ choose your life.
Your letting socioty dictate what you choose.
I know countless of people that choose to live outside the box and their incredible happy and oh their wedding have much much more joy because it’s authentic. So stay stuck. And miserable. Noone cares at this pointI also think when you say intention matters? Focus matters?
So what about yourself. You don’t need anything anything at all. And are those intentions authentic or are they forced. Lol cuz if your intentions are forced their fake. And fake prayers aren’t in alignment with true needs and therefore don’t get answered or simply aren’t exactly what is neccisary truly for the moment.
And I don’t know if I agree that intention matters. Life isn’t witchcraft or something where everything is about control and “intent” those are esoteric sorcery. Which biblically disconnect a person from the DevineYes telling people to have more faith will translate into action. Hello. And I mean have more faith in people, have more faith in the process. Stop making everything up to how much you control the situation. This leads to abject cruelty and dehumnizition of others for political, selfish gains. It’s wrong full stop. Where else in life is it ok to dehumanize people for personal gain. I think we think oh its ok now cuz I’m getting my own ends. It’s still not ok
God _is_ the epicenter of life whether you force yourself to make him there or not. You need Him by virtue of existing because we cannot Devine all of our circumstances on our own. You can see the bigger picture as well as ask for the things you need. These don’t contradict.
Everything a person goes through is bigger picture oriented as each person by nature is playing their role in the bigger picture.
No I don’t think praying for hashem is much more meaningful. Because God doesn’t need me I need Him. Lol.So then stay stuck and blame everybody else but your own ability to choose.
If I put you in a place where you can cross the street and instead of crossing the street your looking at the other guy who isn’t crossing the street at the same time blaming him that because he’s not crossing the street you cant cross the street.
Delusonal much?once the root changes people will by nature change….
And that’s kind of what I’ve been saying it’s up to the individualUncle Ben understood. But you said “everybody should think carefully before xyz”
That’s a threat.
Can we please call a spade a spade..thanksI feel like anyone who makes fun of trump it’s like, their angry for some reason they didn’t get their way and they lost control. It’s so stupid honestly. I don’t know what the heck is flying with Iran i cant figure it out for the life of me but I’m sure once it’s over things will go back to normal. I think people forget that Iran litterally unalived 40,000 protesters before trump swooped in. Like let’s be for real. And arresting meduro was nothing. Please. Hate all you want but you just reveal yourself for the inconsistencies and anger that has no root in reality
Qwerty no offense but it sounds to me that your saying something like this:
They don’t give to causes _i_ agree with. Calm down not everybody has to think exactly like youAnd also in the name of “selfish ideals” of “I need to check to make sure 100 percent” how much humanity are we losing in the process. Maybe ask people, I’ve never heard someone who said “ye its such a good system”
I’ve heard people say “I have extreme PTSD” “it’s so humiliating”
If that’s the byproduct of our actions, shame, then how is that righteous, it’s self serving. And I don’t think good things come out of that
Yes there are plenty of people that get married despite the system but how many people are hurt and dehumNizing along the way.
I don’t think, doing bad things for a “good” cause leads to good things. I think it leads to a collasal lack of faith in people and in hashem and a collasal lack of opportunity that could be mitigated if we do the right thing despite the “norms”Or you can actually meet them instead of degrading everybody and treating them like they have to conform to impossible standards before we allow them to meet each other.
It’s not too risky to have a little more faith in people. If most people in the system had a bais yaakov upbringing why the extreme scrutiny?
“First we need to check everything to make sure it’s perfect till we let them meet” that’s a coallasal lack of faith in God who places the opportunities in your life, and in the people who are involved. And also a collasal lack of faith in the education system lol. Why educate anybody in the system if you can’t trust the system already.
we can have a little more trust in our singles who went through the system already.
Compataility is when you meet. It doesn’t take long to assess all that. And no it doesn’t take “months”.
The only thing control does, is give us less opportunity in the guise of control (humans are not good at assessing things because we don’t know the plans hashem has for us all the time)
I think people should trust themselves more and trust the people involved. The more information you get the more control you feel you have but it’s an illusion of control. Until you meet the person you can’t actually know who they are trulyOf course Ill get a lot of backlash people don’t like change. But the system is very degrading and people don’t see how much we are causing our own misery by trying to control every aspect of life.
When we have a little more faith there will also be more opportunity.
It’s the blind leading the blindI don’t disagree with rebemes I just think we need to sometime put aside our diffences and treat people like humans. Not everybody is going to think exactly like us. And yes people can be very misguided but like I said you can set an _example_ by being different which is why God chose us in the first place to set an example to be “light among the nations” not to degrade everybody that is different then us and iscolate ourselves to the point where we lose our humanity. You can be decent but also set boundaries. But first you need to be decent. That’s how our forebears acted, despite everything. And if you really want to emulate those people who came before us who as we believe were much wiser then us, then let them actually set an example of how to be decent
*avraham avinu
Rebemes I hear you I’m not negating the importance of what your saying because yes sometimes you can’t be around certain people, bad influence, but everything your saying negates “treat others as you treat yourself” it doesn’t say “only treat others who are exactly like you and walk in lockstep with you, then only treat those properly”
If you didn’t know his beliefs and you met him in the street would you ignore him or say hello and treat him decently like every single human deserves. People don’t have to conform to your way of life to be treated with respect.
You don’t have to invite him to your house, but treat him with decency.
Remember when Abraham avinu was very sick and two guests came to his home. He had no clue who they were yet he treated them responsibly, no because they conformed to his noerotic way of life but because every human being no matter what their sins are (tell me you don’t sin I’m sure your perfect) deserves respect. Cuz their choices are between them and God. Not between you them and God.Also, when your struggling with something who are you going to turn to help you fix the problem, if “only looking at the bigger picture is the ultimate virtue”
You can’t put gates on connection as everyone’s connection is going to be different.
It’s like telling people there’s only one way to breathe.
Breathing is something we all do by nature. You can’t carpamentaliz and put rules on relationships and reality. PleaseEach person came down here to fulfill a role but that role is interwoven into who they are. Not disconnected to the person they are.
Just look at Moshe rabbainu, his circumstances played into his purpous, he had access to pharoa and had the authority to take the people out of Egypt. His purpous was interwoven into his personality, circumstances, and needs.
It’s all interconnected. He didn’t have to sell himself, become something else in order to play his role
Everyone has that role already imbedded within their name, their circumstances, even what they like enjoy and appreciate,
God doesn’t take the resume of your life and put you where you don’t belong. He takes your streighths qualities and circumstances and uses them for the job description that fits who you already are.
And that job description isn’t always going to look like what someone else told you it is. That job description will look like what God decided it will be. Which is through reality and who you are.Ok to give another point and perspective, let’s break it down. If I focus my prayers on the grand goal, yet that goal comes from me feeling like I have to, or that i’m more “virtuous” if I do and it doesn’t come from actual need. That’s called self deception.
You can focus on the grand goal of things if you deem them neccisary not because someone told you you should. That’s a disconnect from truth and by virtue a disconnect from self.
Also, if I believe (not know and understand, to be true, just believe) that my purpous is to negate myself and connect to “hashem”
That’s also self deception.
As I don’t believe that’s the purpous of mankind.
God is present for _you_ when you need him and he’s always there when you need him and he’s always taking care of things for you when you need him, and he’s also orchestrating events in the world when they are needed, (which isnt inherinitly your responsibility, but His)
Thus I don’t believe he would ask you to negate yourself for Him because that’s not your purpous. He doesn’t need you to fullfil that roles Hes already playing that role cuz he’s god. He needs you to operate as a human being in this world and do the purpous you were designed to do. Not sell yourself to become so attached to him that you have no self.
If he wanted you to be that way he wouldn’t have created you an individual with individual circumstances, He would have kept you in heaven without a body and soul.Ashreg I’m not sure it matters how you view life.
One is a forced view based off of, conforming your needs to a bigger picture and one is honest view of life because it’s focused on reality.
Just because I pray for myself and my own circumstances (I’m the one who has to deal with them hello) doesn’t mean your more virtuous cuz your putting the whole before the self.
It’s still based on circumstances in some ways because what got that soldier to feel that way? Perhaps he simply has everything he needs and therefore focuses on the bigger picture or he feels more virtuous by focusing on the bigger picture which is a form of self deception but go you for being self deceptive.
I’m not sure what makes the bigger picture more virtuous.
The bigger picture regardless in my view is gods responsibility. God is orchestrating the bigger picture and I can still focus on my immediate needs and struggles and also appreciate the bigger picture as well. One doesn’t really negate the other. And also who cares, it’s like saying if I drink water when I drink it I blink twice. And the other guy doesn’t. Your still drinking water. There’s nothing more virtuous about different thoughts people have or different ways of looking at things.
It’s all based on necessity and purpous.
I also don’t think you can have a real relationship if your not asking for things you need and focusing on your actual problems. Lol
I can focus on my problems and also the bigger picture if that’s what I feel like doing.The lack of humanity comes from yourself qwerty it’s so lauaphable honestly how everything you say about others is a direct reflection of your own disgusting behavior.
But its ok keep talking“wild beast”
Who talks like that about their fellow man
Your insufferable qwerty just take your disgusting charachtor and leave nobody wants you here.Qwerty613 stop dehumanizing people please thanks
The true character of a man is not who presents himself to be but who he i
s on inside. We are so focused on confirming to outside forces and presentation we lost our inner compass and the heart of true character. When all those become less important that’s when true morals and character can reveal itself. Until then we will just continue this complex game of trying to fit in but not truly ever making it