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It’s a topic nobody seems to think is important….the blind leading the blind “this is what we do”
Just a pathetic excuse at misery and control

Yes but where does it comes from, the judgment, what is the root of the behaviour. Is it a superiority complex where everyone thinks their better then everybody else?
That’s an education problem.
And a materialistic problem depending on the root.
It’s like in gan Eden God asked “who told you”
So here’s the question “who told you, your superior”
Your not. Superiority is an inner belief that comes from having too much or being told something that might not neccisarily be correct but is thought to be true.
So yes let’s stop looking down our nose at everybody because the reality of the situation is that despite having very different circumstances we are all the same.
Also I would advise people to tone down their materialism a smidge because by virtue of being too materialistic it by nature leads to judgment. It’s nature. If I always put on the most stunning outfit to go outside I’m going to feel superior by nature. Get rid of that stop doing that. Be humble and start cultivating living with less. It will straighthen other charchator traits like humility stewardship responsibility blah blah blah
get rid of the root cause and the issue goes away

This is why I keep talking about individuality because as much as we like to conform to norms when is there a line in the sand that says “my self respect is more important then fitting in”
In a socioty that doesn’t respect you for being an individual are they your true friends? I think not. If you cannot be yourself in literally every conversation because it’s always a damn competition. Doesn’t that point to a socioty that is somewhat corrupted by materialism. When I was young it was a select few whod look down their nose at you if you didn’t measure up now it’s a plague and has seeped into every part of our socioty. Where is God in all this. Where is morality.
Morals dictate honesty with yourself and your circumstances. Taking a good look in the mirror and saying. Look I don’t have therefore I will _have_ to make do. And yet that will make me stronger in the end. Why? Because your not living in delusonal thinking anymore your living in reality.
How long is socioty going to destroy our humanity? For everyone and forever?
When nachshon ben aminadav stood in front of the ocean and God said to go into the ocean, the rouring waves seemed impossible and they had an entire army behind them that was about to kill them and yet he took a deep breathe and went into the ocean and the impossiblity of the situation was so strong, yet he went in up to his neck, and suddenly the oeceon split.
If he had tremendous faith and courage to do what needed to do despite all the _crazy_ odds. (They were crazy odds) So can you.
When you are ready to step into the ocean of “personal life circumstances of impossiblity” and willing to have the strength to live within your means, and despite the army behind you of people who degrade humiliate and villify you for stupid things, you will suddenly see the ocean split like a miracle and life itself will free you and make a way for you to cross the oceon of impossiblity and you will be free from Egypt of abnormal material control.
Let yourself be a man of God. not a cowardly man of socioties whims where people lose their souls dignity and morality in the process of fitting in.

Your paying with your life and happiness. This is why boundaries are important. In any other scenario in life would you give in? Or would you say no. Start saying no. Lol
I know it’s hard cuz socioty can be suffocating. But who gives a damn. Have some strength. Honestly people may judge but then they move on. And anyways if your not accepted for being yourself then why would you allow socioty to dictate your self worth. It’s kind of sad what the world has come to. You are paying a very steep price to fit in….it used to be the rich were rich and poor were poor. If your poor your poor. And the rich do whatever they do with their money. Now you have to make a choice. Will I let the rich dictate what I choose or not.
It’s not simple but it’s a requirement for a happy life. Lol
It’s worth it to you to pay with your happiness and self respect?
I personally wouldn’t pay with those things as self respect is as important as fitting in.
Living within your means and not selling yourself has something that comes with it. It builds character.
Character requires you to say no when the time calls for it otherwise you become a slave to socioty.
I’m not sure why _that_ is worth it to you. It wouldn’t be worth it to me personally.
It’s like saying “God I don’t like what I was given therefore I’m going to sell every vestige of humanity I have to fit into a socioty that has zero respect for me and my circumstances”
Your selling yourself short.
Yes your right you don’t want to “stick out” but at what cost. To your own sanity. I don’t think it’s worth it honestly.
When your ready to say no you’ll become stronger and those material things that make you feel you made it will matter much much less. Honestly

Maybe that might be a good thing. To stop being so particular about information. Information doesn’t get to the heart of compatibility, meeting does maybe we should skip over the checking situation just a smidge maybe people will get more dates and more opportunity towards their ultimate goal.

It’s root is corruption I think.
Corruption of Devine law. In some ways I think
It’s the pivot from morality to conformity and the pivot from personal choices, based on personal circumstances especially when it comes to, say materialism, that has stunted people into this deep mess that the above poster mentions.
If people are truly drowning….which who knows it might not be true, but if it is true, then we need to look at the root of those choices
Is it because people are selling themselves to the idol of materialism?
Is it because of other forms of corruption.
I personally think, honestly it’s a crack in the systemic foundation of socioty that may have come about by our own actions that say are negative.
For example
_if_ socioty treats people badly because of extreme judgment (just an example) then the reaction is they tend to suffer in their own lives as a reflection of their own bad actions towards others.
_if_ socioty forgets certain moral virtues and harms people collectively because of a lack of humanity (whether because of ideological thinking which can carpamentaliz and create an us versus them reality, making everybody fit into neat boxes of scorn)
Then the reflection of that becomes suffering in our own lives.
These cracks _if_ they exist is a byproduct of actions we take on a daily basis that _maybe_ harms ourselves but perhaps also harm others
Life is quite like a mirror, what we give out reflects back not always on a lineor fashion but sometimes in a metaphysical fashion of reflection of our destructive actions onto ourselves. (Hard to explain) Suffering points to say, how we treat others that’s how we get treated by life….dunno can’t find the right words

Of course I agree. That’s why I have my own oppinions as well. But it’s funny how people are allowed to have their opinions about everything else but the second people have an a difference of oppinon about cultural or Torah context suddenly it’s all sheeple speak.
It’s just a glearing contradiction don’t you think

It doesn’t say scorn and treat people badly either rebemes. Does it say that somewhere if it does let’s talk about it. Show me context and let’s discuss it. Lol

Listen the hostess package? Nobody says you should bake cookies. But you don’t have to buy 300 doller flowers either. Theres temu. “Live like a billionaire” you can easily look the part with less. (I was using temu as an example)
You _can_ find an alternative.
Or you can have the faith and stick out and not give a flying flip.
Which is it going to be? Absolute conformity, fear cowerdice? Or are you going to finally say no.
What is life without a little pushback lol. Maybe you should have more courage to be different. There’s nothing wrong with different.
Alot of old folk are rolling over in their graves right now with how materialistic delusional we have become. If your not willing to stand in the gap then don’t cry that it’s so hard to fit in. Your never going to be good enough for anyone anyways. Nobody ever is. Socioty is fickle judgmental and all I see is a bunch of people stepping on glass to look the part lol.
Your losing alot of your own self for this. And most people are losing themselves for this.
Its subtle but this loss of self is in every conversation, every interaction, just to fit in.
It’s a stupid unforgiving system
And I think it’s high time someone should have the courage to change the narrtive cuz the narrtive right now is just getting worse and it’s just dumb

Aligning with truth comes from inside not outside. As truth and thoughts already come from within the mind and need by virtue to be filtered through the intellect. The truth doesn’t separate us from ourselves actually but makes us more in tune with our human nature. Conformity isn’t a virtue its the death of the self

Ashregg that’s not contradicting what I said at all. But ok. Your using different wording to say the same exact thing.
Maybe you should realize that we are saying the exact same thing but giving a slightly different perspective on it which actually brings more clarity.
I just think your perception is slightly rooted in control thinking which in my belief isnt complelty realistic or healthy. Just my take.
Second “narrow perception” sure buddy.
If I was falling off a bridge and God saved me somehow that’s not “narrow perception” that’s actually being saved by Devine forces. That’s fact. Not “narrow perception”
If I was going into a meeting and I was nervous and I asked God “give me the strength to pull through this”
And I magicly got through the meeting. And said all the right things and got whatever I came in for. That’s not “narrow perception” that’s dealing with reality
If I didn’t have money one month and I had no idea where my money would come from and yet somehow it worked out by miracles. That’s not “narrow perception”
It goes on and on and on and on.
Your litterally putting God in a box in some way. Saying he can only come through in a specific way otherwise I don’t believe it was from God. Or your saying that my lived circumstances somehow doesn’t point to Devine forces because it’s my own “narrow perception” and doesn’t fit your ideological drivel.
Reality isn’t easy. I _need_ God to servive. Litterly. Yet he _always_ pulls through and delivers better then I could ever anticipate. Sometimes it takes effort. Other times it takes faith and a little trust. And yet other times it takes me understanding that I can’t do it alone to reach out and allow God to work within the framework of what is needed at _any_ given moment. That’s not “narrow feel good perception” that’s litterally living in reality.
I’m curious tho. do you even believe in God? I don’t think so. You don’t believe in God. Actually you prob don’t associate or even ask God for help when you need it because you don’t even know he exists in the first place and has the capability to work within the framework of all your circumstances to help you through the extreme responsibility of living in this world. The extreme complexity of living in this world. I bet you believe it’s all up to you. Well it’s not all up to you.
Our reality and problems are our circumstances. And if somehow my circumstances no matter what I’m in somehow get fixed, better then i could ever anticipate. That’s not “narrow perception” thats actually _living_ breathing. And being. And walking with the Devine

Im reading the same damn Chumash. Not sure which one your reading tho. Broken telephone of millions of people or the actual text?

And yes your going to say, well on shabbas someone got the death penalty for taking wood. Blah blah. True. Shabbas Is clearly very important to God. And for his people. Your right but that’s doesn’t happen in every scenario. There are only very specific scanarios that people get disciplined to that degree. Don’t translate the importance of shabbas to every aspect of everyday life

Reb emes these are not threats they are _consenquences_
We need to differentiate control from Devine discipline
This is very important distinction because one comes from extreme need for control and the other comes from deep connection to your wellbeing.
Let’s give an example
Let’s say I was a really bad person and I was stealing and pillaging and just being all around cruel.
Intense threat would be neccisary right?
But none of us are insanely cruel, we are human and fallable,
We aren’t pillaging and carrying on doing things we shouldn’t do generally,
I think the Torah gives more of framework to life rather then a threat of fear generally.
It kind of lays out the playing field to keep us aware of where the spiritual bombs are lying beneath our feet so we don’t step there.
Harsh sentences and deep consenquences are for when we truly lose our humanity, which can come from deep areagence, insane cruelty and destruction of consciouce.
_that_ is when those warnings matter
That’s when Devine force becomes real, that’s when things get harsh and destructive.
When read in context of real life, do you think your such a bad person you deserve constant fear punishment?
It depends on how disconnected you are from your soul, but generally I don’t believe people are trying to be all bad.
So perhaps the framework of your intrpreations need to be read through lense of “most of the time we are trying our best”
But we will only actually get truly punished if we actually leave it
Actually deserve it.
So…..do you deserve to be punished for something. Sometime yes. Sometimes ideology can lead to insane, crippling discrimatuon against anyone that is not like us. Yes that might lead to moral decay corruption and Devine retribution, that is true. But do you truly deserve it. Not all the time
So when you read the good book again realize this,
Only when your truly doing something corrupt that’s when you activate Devine authority and retribution
Only when your soul is black as ice does God wield the sword because of the harm you do for others.
And God defends the defenseless, always. Don’t cross those that are suffering. You won’t be very lucky after that, trust me.
I just think, that when you read the Torah in context of real life, punishment isn’t about fear it’s about discipline when we are going astray from conscience and doing what is kind and right in the eyes of God.
A personal accounting would look like: wow I vilified that person because of my arrogance, despite how they were struggling. I treated them like they were beneath me. maybe God isn’t happy with my behaviour” Not “omygod I did borrer by mistake”
One doesn’t have anything to do with reality, one releases Devine forces of retribution. Which isn’t pretty.
A personal accounting of real scanarios not fake ones based on fear mongering and control

Chaim87
How far are you going to go tho not to be a “weirdo”
For one culture being weird is xyz
And for another it’s xyzabcdfgqrstuv
How far are you going to go to be “normal”
Or are you going to actually be normal and live within the standards _God_ has set for you.
How long are you going to allow socioty to control your entire life?
Forever? For a century?
For millenia?
What did they say was cowerdice again…

“Cowardice is defined as a lack of courage or firmness of purpose, characterized by excessive fear that prevents an individual from taking risks or facing danger”

Right now, and I don’t mean to call you a derogatory term so forgive me….but right now socioty is holding you hostage to extreme fear of not fitting in.
You are going to have to find the courage within you to walk away. That’s the only way. Honestly.

No not money. Your terrified and you need to stop, or at least have courage despite the fear. It’s time I think

Do you even know your father?
Would you father say, sure scorn those you disagree with
Or maybe, he would say, live a better life then them and be a living _example_
That’s love. What your trying to do is create control and hatred.