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GAW,
“All I’m saying is that people who want to see it that way could have read Rav Chaim’s statement as justification for an attack.”
So far it seem that the only implying that is you.
A simple score card:
1)You twisted R’ Chaim’s words. At least twice in one sentence, totally changing the meaning.
2) You implied that R’ AL Steinman was mevazeh a Talmud Chochom.
I guess you are “one who wants to see it that way”
Par for the course.
I am sure you are a fantastic, well adjusted individual.
ZD,
“People need to look at what they reap, what you reap, will sow and blossom.”
This is a fantastic saying. I like the image it projects, where did you pick it up from?
Usually people are only able to reap what they sow, but sometimes you can so confound the issue that you sow what you reap.
GAW,
You have not responded to mdd, because he is right, R Chaim did not say what you have ascribed to him.
Are you accusing Maran Harav Hagoan R’ Aron Leib, Shlita of being mevazeh R Shmuel Auerbach or any other Talmud chochom? I think that R Chaim’s words were then directed to someone just like you.
I am glad to see the resident experts have responded to the query.
Quite likely someone confused a translated siddur with a transliterated siddur.
And that may be why there was the confusion.
JFem,
I do not see anyone making an absolute statement. They are just making an observation and expressing concerns based on the observation and leaving it up to the OP to follow up.
And anyway as your husband would tell you, ????? ????? ???????.
Achosid,
I think you want to use a cattle prod on her.
Secular,
I do not understand why you are posting a quote from Rabbi Pruzansky as proof. He is, as understand a MO Rav. Most of the negative comments about him on that thread were by commenters who appear to be MO themselves.
Well maybe you are right, the moderators should not have let those posters comments through, they seem to be the most disrespectful posters in general.
Achosid,
You need a Beis din to get you moving?
Achosid,
I see you consider yourself knowledgeable on all things cattle prod related, considering how many posts you have written about them.
Why don’t you se what ?????? ?????? wrote about the matter.
Achosid,
I guess you are referring to someone like Temple Grandin who recommends its use periodically on recalcitrant animals who need a good zap to get moving.
Feif,
I really have not noticed any remarks against MO rabbonim here. Certainly not even remotely as many as are posted against Rabonnim who you would not consider in the MO camp.
Perhaps you can show examples to support your accusation.
Rat,
“LAB was just making a general statement about the relationship between unnecessary gashmius and wanting to wear big strings ”
HUH???? Gashmius? Where’d you pick that up.
Onoas Devarim? Choshed Bechsherim? You crack me up. Your comments in the past have wiped any sembelance of kosher long ago.
I wonder why you think it is gaaivah to use a rhetorical “we” and not gaaivah to assume that your skewed little view is enough to passul up many?
Whatever.
LAB,
We thank you for your kind insight.
How about this, people who make comments and apply a generality to many people are trolls. That seems much better.
JFem,
I think you would want to update the affiliations of Michael Broyde. I believe he has been dismissed from BDA because of some of his actions that they felt were not appropriate. These included fabricating sources for positions of his that he purported were in accordance with Halacha.
RD,
I don’t know how you left Michael Broyde off the list? If he can remember which persona he is using.
I heard from a yungerman who went from BMG to Harvard Law this year that there are 11 yeshiva guys in this years class.
This fellow already has an internship lined up at a very prestigious firm for the coming summer.
People are never buried in cemetaries.
ZD,
Nothing you have written in anyway indicates that R Chaim Ozer made a mistake. The question really is why you keep prattling on when you are wrong. Considering your self infallible is not a Jewish trait, rather it is a catholic trait.
Small facts that you are conveniently omitting;
The people who remained in the towns the Yeshivas ran from were massacred before those in Vilna. So those who fled to Vilna lived and learned longer.
Whole yeshivas were in fact saved from the holocaust.
But facts were never a strong point in any of your arguments, they just tend to get in the way.
If you like, we can post that on Wikipedia for you.
“The author of the Mishna Berurah did NOT wear a black hat.”
Even if this is true, which I doubt, it has nothing to with the statement DaMoshe wrote.
I, for the life of me, cannot understand why you so often post comments that are tangential and meaningless.
He certainly looks smoother with the Botox injections he seems to have had in his face. Not better, just smoother.
ZD,
Fascinating observation.
However, I have never seen people wearing “strimels” or “Beckashers”(sic)at any of the funerals that I have unfortunately attended, even among the most chassidic.
Can you guess why? According to you that would be proof that Jews nowadays do not wear Shtreimlich or Bekeshes, yet that is clearly not the case.
So how do you explain that?
Tierra Sur
ROB,
R Feldman did not retract the above, he said that Lipman is perhaps not a ??? ?????, but he never retracted that Lipman’s outlook is not the outlook of the yeshiva. Rather he is misguided.
What is “leekable”? Is that one of the ???????
I don’t recall the Rosh Yeshiva of Ner Yisroel referring to him as Rabbi. That should tell you something about his standing.
As opposed to crisis, who apparently is afraid of any logical thought at all.
With the aveirah song?
If he would have said that he asked a shaila or he heard a psak, it would have been left at that. But when he presents it as his own psak or thought, it was a legitimate response.
Zd,
I asked a legitimate question. You have not given an answer. If you asked a shaila, why wouldn’t you tell us who made the psak. Maybe the rav was meikel for you, but is not lechatchila.
Or maybe you are not providing the correct reason. Why are you so hesitant to provide meaningful information?
Zd,
Would please share with us a copy of your smicha and let us know where you received shimush for psak?
Chuck,
How can you say this “But it is indeed ironic that some people who will run someone out of Orthodoxy for a “possible” violation of one of Rambam”, (emphasis mine)
When you say this:”When did I say that I supported Rabbi Dr. Farber’s remarks? I didn’t even read most of them!”
Besides, you most certainly did try to support Farber’s remarks on Popa’s LOL thread.
And you last comment is either foolish or completely disingenuous, quite possibly a good mixture of both. There is no one, other than you possibly, who did not agree that Farber’s comments were plain apikorsus. The minhag of saying Machnesei Rachamim has been dealt with many times over the years.
Don’t think that you are suddenly being mechadesh something.
Ironic comment from someone who supported Zev Farber’s remarks.
Edit to above:
but it is not my business, so I will NOT pursue this further
I think you must have misunderstood the contract.
In my experience, limited as it maybe, the contracts talk about deposits not being refunded if you pull out. In addition, payments are not completed ahead of time, so I am sure the full amount has not been paid.
There are a number of other items that seem off about this story, but it is not my business, so I will pursue this further, nor will I state as fact any assumptions as others do.
ZD,
Yet you have no clue at all what happened, and you are ready to pass judgment.
It is great to be able to make such determinations without a clue.
Hmmmm.
I feel bad for you, it is terribly disappointing.
Oomis,
Interesting comment. Are you not doing exactly that yourself? Granted, no individual has been named, but you are passing judgement when hearing only one side of a story.
I continue to wonder why they are so cavalier about what ROB wrote while being in such a huff about writing hash-m with a dash.
I don’t understand why this is being dredged up again. There was a thread about this in the past.
I will note that threads that start with “I heard” are usually half quotes and has no bearing on the person posing the supposition.
If this is a situation that applies to poster, the absolute worse thing to do is get advise from a forum such as this. ????.
Wolfe,
So it is ok for ROB to be irate about some one who wrote something that is completely ok, but he cannot be taken to task for writing something heinous, even if it was unintentional? Regardless if we could have deciphered what he meant, he clearly was not careful in what he wrote. He was irate that the person used a dash in a word the ROB felt should not have a dash.
This gives us a clear picture of what ???? meant when they say ????? ????? ??? ????? ???. It cannot be clearer.
And it is telling that neither he nor Gavra are horrified but what he actually wrote, regardless of his intention. He should be horrified that he published those words that are now available for eternity attributed to ROB.
And this cannot in any way be considered an ????.
So you all missed the REAL issue.
ROB,
You wrote what you wrote, it would seem to be at a minimum to be a Freudian slip.
You should examine what led to that Freudian slip, and what teshuva could you possibly do.
And there you have it. All the typical cynics. Finally they come out and say their real feelings. It is so horrible I will not copy, but look at ROBs last line.
He finally spelled out in no uncertain terms what he and his ilk feel. Oy. Oy. And this gets published?
VM
“And yet, WIY, it seems we do… “
I am sorry to hear that you think that a Kol Koreh has more weight than a posuk in the Torah.
According to the iggeres haramban, midas anavah
Charlie,
I cannot for the life of me figure out how your comment is responsive to Toi.
“Gedolim have sat next to women on subways in Europe and America for over a century.”
Have you seen this (Other than Avi Weiss)?
It is well known that R Shlomo Zalman Auerbach would stand up if a women sat next to him. (he did it in a respectful manner, none the less he would get up)
Goq,
I happen to know a number of families blessed with many children. North of a dozen. Anecdotally, your comment about a lack of individuality is way, way off base.
In these families that I personally know, the children all have distinct personalities and are accomplished in a number of ways. you could not in any way refer to them as group mentality, they each are so individual.
You are making an assumption, I am reporting my observations. And based on my observations, there is no basis at all to your suggestion.
MZ and ZD,
A) I am sure the chilonim would be horrified to hear that they are not part of a community. That is what they argue all the time when frum Jews move into their neighborhood, that they are upsetting the community.
B)Granted we have to hold ourselves to a higher standard, however, all these media people and a goodly number of commenters feel THEY are better people because they are modern and “aware” of what is going on. If so it is the height of hypocrisy for them to use the claim that we answer to a higher authority as their basis for criticizing frum people when they do not do so when it is a non frum person, like themselves.