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How about Baltimore or Lakewood? Not very Israeli and they cater to the chutznik lifestyle.
What’s the point of living in Israel if you’re afraid of the Israelis?
Our first apartment in Yerushalayim was 6000 NIS, 2 bedrooms and brand new. But in Baka… 8 years ago.
We just got a new apartment in Arnona. There is a dirah available downstairs, 3 bedrooms and very high quality, but I don’t think we’re you’re crowd.
For those saying that that government won’t allow this to be studied, I direct you to clinicaltrials . gov (can’t post a link). There are clinical trials going on. None are being conducted by reputable labs, universities, organizations, or companies. One is being done by a medical billing company. They expect results in March 2022.
Why is no one seriously studying this? Because it’s like using a band-aid to treat cancer. One has nothing to do with the other. Band-aids are a valid treatment for certain things. And there may be some tiny percentage of COVID patients that survive more often with the band-aid. But, as all of the scientific literature that has been cited in this group has said, the statistical improvement could also be related to increased mask use, social distancing, other treatments, and better care in hospitals based on learned skills (between March 2020 and August 2021).
I found this to be a very enlightening discussion. And I appreciate the actual research you’ve done to defend the position.
But in the end, it’s still horse paste that has some limited applications in far lower doses for human parasitic conditions. I’ll say “neigh.”
ubiquitin – I read that part of the article. Taken together, the professor says… we don’t fully understand, but here’s how it works, as far as we know with decades of research. Meaning there is a proven mechanism, though the author says there may be more (read the whole thing). Which, as I’ve shown, there is not for Ivermectin and COVID.
Health – I could sell you a rock that does exactly the same for COVID that zinc and quercitin can do. Though zinc is a mineral that may help boost the immune system in general. I’ll give you that. But no studies or science back up what you’re saying.
Which practitioners did you visit that gave you that explanation? I’d find some new doctors. If something else is occupying all of a person’s lung and heart cells and blood cells, then that person is dead. That sounds more like cancer. I mean… that’s 9th grade biology. You took 9th grade biology, right?
The argument for ivermectin is that its anti-parasitic capabilities might also be anti-viral, meaning they kill the virus (not occupy health human cells… YIKES!). As I showed above, no doctor or researcher has been able to provide this biochemically or even statistically. They propose more research.
Yserbius – Thank you for posting some actual science. But I went to the source. And I do understand what it says. This clip is from an article published by 3 Indian doctors (people who live in India) on the NIH website. Their findings are also not based on observation of chemical reactions, but speculation on how is MIGHT work. “Since the conditions in which the virus replicates and infects the cells in vivo and in vitro differs, a decisive comment about how ivermectin may prove to be beneficial to the patients cannot be constructed yet. Similarly, any disparity in the pharmacokinetic properties of this drug and the unidentified drug interactions which may occur under such conditions are yet to be recognized and remarked on.” This is from the article. And it was published in mid-2020. Much more is known about the virus and effective treatments.
In short, the authors argue that Ivermectin is not an anti-viral (it’s an anti-parasitic), but if it kills parasite bodies maybe it could kill virus bodies. They cite correlational studies with other viruses (like Zika) and that there may be statistical evidence of effectiveness. But… they don’t know why or how. COVID-19, they say, is not the same kind of virus, but it’s a virus and the stuff is cheap and available, so give it a shot!
Again, we get to the basis being speculation and statistics, not observation or known biochemistry. A scientific study would say, “we see X attacking Y at Z point and killing/weakening Y.”
Reb Eliezer – I appreciate you bringing an actual citation. The specific article you cite is not a scientific, peer reviewed study, but a proposal on how a study of Ivermectin would be done. Fair enough. But it does not answer the scientific question of how it would work on COVID.
In the same issue of that journal, there is an article touting Ivermectin’s efficacy. But it was written primarily by a statistician who used correlation as a basis for including Ivermectin as a COVID treatment. Meaning… doing exactly what has been said before… there is a percentage of mortality reduction among patients who took Ivermectin. But no chemical explanation as to why and how Ivermectin attacks the virus.
Here I’ll give you some more inside info… the “study” (it wasn’t a study, it was a statistical gathering of data) was funding by “gofundme.” Not a university, hospital, governmental organization, charity, or any normal source of funding for scientific research. That’s the first red flag.
The American Journal of Therapeutics sounds very prestigious. But in the scientific world… it’s not (to be nice). All scientific journals are given an “impact factor” every year by the global scientific community based on the reliability of the material published and how often the articles are cited in other studies. For example, the New England Journal of Medicine has an impact factor of 91.245. Lancet’s impact factor is 79.321. Nature (where my wife is published) is 42.6 or so. Only about 1.5% of journals exceed an impact factor of 10. This journal has an impact factor of 2.688. So we’re not exactly dealing with the most rigorous or respected science (if this even involved science).
Actually we know pretty well how acetaminophen works. From Tufts University professor of anesthesiology: ” Commonly known by its brand name of Tylenol, acetaminophen belongs to a class of painkillers known as non-opioid analgesics. This class of drugs also includes aspirin, traditional non-steroidal anti-inflammatories such as ibuprofen and naproxen, and the newer COX-2 inhibitors like celecoxib—popularly known as Celebrex.
Non-opioid analgesics work by inhibiting an enzyme known as cyclooxygenase (COX). COX is a catalyst for the conversion of a fatty acid contained in cell walls—arachidonic acid—to substances known as prostaglandins.
Prostaglandins serve a number of protective functions in the body, but they can also produce pain, inflammation and fever. They cause pain and inflammation after cell injury by a number of mechanisms, primarily at the site of the injury in the peripheral nervous system, that is, nerves outside the brain and spinal cord, but also in the central nervous system. They elevate body temperature by affecting the heat regulating center of a region of the brain known as the hypothalamus.
By blocking COX and, therefore, the subsequent production of prostaglandins in the central and peripheral nervous systems, non-opioid analgesics reduce both fever and inflammation.”
We know how vaccines work, and that’s how we know they’ll be effective. We know how regeneron works, and we know why it’s effective. So what’s the medical basis for a human-dose of Ivermectin being clinically useful.
Correlation is not causation. As I mentioned in another post, see “Simpsons Tiger Rock.” People have been saying on here that there are scientific studies proving Ivermectin’s effectiveness. The truth, of course, is that there was one study, and it was withdrawn because the author admitted the data was fabricated.
For a drug to be so widely touted in one segment of the media, and to have such a strong following here, there must be SOME scientific basis for it (meaning chemistry, and not “so-and-so took it and got better”). Because for every person that got better, there are dozens that took it and (G-d forbid) died.
So please, show me the science behind it. And I will absolutely keep an open mind.
Google “Simpsons Tiger Rock.” A fool and his money are soon parted.
Cuomo and Franken resigned after pressure from the left. Trump is still the leader of the GQP.
Arrogance and hypocrisy… I think those words do not mean what you think they mean.
He planned to make aliyah after the Chagim this year.
Universal healthcare (really universal health insurance) was the announced policy of the Heritage Foundation in 1993 in response to “Hillarycare.”
Without hyperbole, why are you against it?
In countries with universal healthcare, it is unheard of for a person to go bankrupt because of illness. 60% of bankruptcies in the US are because of health care costs. And who bears the burden of the loss? The rest of the country.
Israel is a great example (you love Israel, right?). Every single citizen automatically has some minimal health insurance and, thereby, healthcare. Is it perfect? Of course not. Are there some delays? Sometimes. But for a middle class person, this is not a problem because supplemental insurance is cheap enough.
Are England, France, Israel, Canada, Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden, Norway bastions of radical communism? Not by any rational measure. Are their taxes higher… sure. But put their higher taxes against the cost of private insurance premiums and the increased taxes come out lower because of distribution of risk.
Countries with universal healthcare and some form of socialized medicine have longer life expectancy, higher quality of life, lower instances of chronic illness, lower fatal and maternal mortality (pro-life, good Christians!), and fewer bankruptcies than the US.
Reality-based decisions. Evidence-based decisions. These WERE Republican principles. The US is bigger than England, France, and Israel, and creates different challenges because of its size. But there is no reason we can’t have an American form of universal healthcare.
Rant and rave with your ideology right to the grave (after 120 years).
Yeah… no. Restoring congressionally mandated funding to the poor and starving that we (Israelis) would rather not have grow into terrorists does not violate anti-terror laws. YWN “news” is little more than fictional propaganda so don’t take anything it says outside the yeshiva world seriously.
Life on other planets fully comports with the narrative of Bereshit. There is no reason to think that “shamayim v’aretz” is limited to the sky above our heads and the land under our feet. This is one of the biggest problems that Orthodox Judaism has in its relationship with the rest of creation. Too many frum Jews limit Hashem’s reach. Hashem is infinite. More infinite than the human mind can fathom. Hashem is the Creator of Earth, Mars, and those galaxies 11 billion light years away. He created the black holes and pulsars and asteroids. He moves galaxies and universes, not just mountains and streams. While Hashem created and controls the impossibly vast and infinite universe, he is also concerned with the moment-to-moment existence of each living creature right here on Earth. And among the 7 billion people on Earth that he takes care of, He has a vested interest and concern for YOU, personally. Contemplate THAT.March 30, 2021 2:09 am at 2:09 am in reply to: Biden administration renews $15m. in support to Palestinians #1961118
You clearly don’t live in Israel or care about the Jewish people who do. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians work in Israel and hundreds of thousands of Jews live in Shomron and Yehuda. We all interact on a daily basis. Until the virus is brought under control in the PA it will never fully be under control in Israel. Even Israel is sending 500,000 doses to the PA. Stop just hating and and hating and fearing and fearing. Perhaps just try living in the real world for a little while.
Lakewhut – Selective memory on your part? Is that intentional? Pres. Biden speaks with 100 world leaders and gives a speech at a global security forum, and you pretend that never happened. Instead, you think about the couple of times the Vice President spoke with world leaders… as the Vice President does from time to time.
Why do you do that? Is it intentional? Or did you not know about Pres. Biden constantly speaking with world leaders? Perhaps you should reconsider your sources of news.
Is this a person who lives in your area? Meet them outside, like at a park. Sit 6 feet apart, wear masks, and shteig away. We do it in Yerushalayim all the time.
Why does this bother you but not Trump setting national policy when he told the country that the virus was a hoax, that it would magically go away, that it would be gone by Easter, that it can be cured with an untested drug, and G-d knows what else? Why does this bother you more than Trump appointing Kushner hiring a bunch of college kids to supply the nation with PPE, specifically excluding NY because the voters are majority Democrats, and requiring states to bid for limited supplies? Why does this bother you more than DeSantis, Kemp, Abbott, and the other ghoulish governors opening their economies in April 2020 so the virus could spread most easily in those states killing hundreds of thousands of Americans?
Your selective outrage is showing.
Wait… it’s haughtiness to AGREE with a state (commonwealth) supreme court and every other court up and down the federal and state court systems, including the US Supreme Court that already refused to hear this case when brought on an earlier appeal? Haughtiness is to say, “I know better than all these courts.” I don’t know better than all these courts. They’re all correct. They looked at the factual and legal arguments in detail. They all agree with each other. Trump-appointed judges, several of them (when the case was heard in federal court).
And I’ll give you another lecture about laches. In Georgia in 2018, Democrats went to court to get the voter rolls un-purged and to mandate paper backups for the computer voting machines two months BEFORE the election. The judge (US District Judge Amy Totenberg) said that she agreed with the argument, and it was right, but it was TOO LATE to bring the argument. There wasn’t time to change the system or the ballots. LACHES. And Democrats lost the governor’s election in 2018.
Did Kelly take his seat in Congress? If so, he disagreed with his own argument. By his reasoning, his election was also fraudulent and he should step aside until the US Supreme Court rules.
Of course, Kelly’s case is moot for this election. If the Supreme Court even hears his case, it would only apply to future elections.
If you read Kelly’s petition (it’s public record, easy to find) you see that he doesn’t allege that a single vote was improperly cast or that any vote was ineligible. Just that he didn’t agree with the system of voting (the same system that gave him the seat he occupies and refuses to leave).January 19, 2021 4:43 pm at 4:43 pm in reply to: Frum Man Has “Credible Information” That Trump Will Remain President #1940354
Health – The pandemic came under the leadership of Republican Trump. 400,000 death Americans, the worst economy since the Great Depression, the only modern administration to lose jobs in their term, tens of millions sick. That wasnt the liberal DemocRats. That’s your guy. Own it. And dont blame President Biden tomorrow at 12:01 PM.
Coffee Addict – re: Counties. I don’t have the exact number but you’re getting that from Charlie Kirk. And it’s horribly misleading and certainly not evidence of fraud. There are 3,142 counties in the US. Half the population lives in just 139 counties. This is according to the US Census. So it’s very easy to see how one candidate can win hundreds more counties mostly populated by cattle and still lose significantly. Also, consider the spreads in each county. I’ll use Georgia… Fulton County has 808,000 registered voters. It went for Biden about 75/25. Dooly County (an absolutely lovely farm community with very nice people) has 5,920 voters. It went for Trump 56/44. Georgia has 159 counties. Trump could win 140 of those counties and still lose Georgia. Because most of those 140 counties are empty spaces with few people. In fact, I haven’t checked the math, but Trump could probably win 157 out of 159 counties, and depending on the margins, Biden could still win Georgia with just Fulton and Dekalb.
One person, one vote. A rural vote does not count more than an urban or suburban vote. Except in the electoral college and the Senate.
Coffee addict – Wisconsin has had same day voter registration since the 1970s. Now 21 states have it. It wasn’t a new thing that came about because of the pandemic, or that should have been reconsidered. If anything, it’s an advantage to Republicans who were more likely to vote on Election Day. Of course, same day registration includes in-person early voting. In any case, I don’t see why those votes should not be counted. It’s not like Pennsylvania or Texas where we are talking about new procedures. It’s a 40+ year old law and system.
Coffee addict – why would you take out the same day registration votes? Wisconsin law allows it, and has for a long time. Several states allow it. A person has to present ID, fill out forms, have their name run through the system, and then they vote. They’re eligible voters casting lawful votes on Election Day. Republicans can turn out their voters the same way. If anything, it’s New York that’s undemocratic because it unnecessarily requires registration months in advance.
I will say it… Trump got 74 million votes, the most of any candidate in US history. Except for Joe Biden who got 81 million. Feel better?
Heath – you are proving my point. First, eligible voters voting according to the law in Pennsylvania is NOT election fraud. They are eligible voters and their votes were counted once. If you have proof that ineligible voters voted using the new law, then you have to identify who those voters were, specifically. And if your argument is “it was too easy for eligible voters to cast votes” then you really need to go find a country with another system of government that does not support democracy.
But to the legal argument, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court was correct. The Republican PA legislature made minor tweaks to how people can request absentee ballots in 2019. No one complained. A primary was held. No one complained. It wasn’t until Trump lost that all of the sudden it’s unconstitutional. And it’s only Trump’s seat they’re complaining about. Kelly won his seat with this “unconstitutional” system. Did he take his seat in the House? Go look.
This is the doctrine of laches. You cannot sit on your claim for so long that it becomes not equitable to hear the claim. Similar to a statute of limitations, but it’s an equitable defense. The day the law was passed in 2019 is when it became, supposedly, unconstitutional. The time to bring the claim was right after the bill was passed, not after TWO elections (primary and general), thereby disenfranchising millions of registered, lawful, voters who followed the law. The case was heard already in the US Supreme Court and rejected (they brought it as a state claim then a federal claim, one was rejected, the other will be, I just forget the order). It is also Supreme Court precedent (not followed in Bush v. Gore) that the US Supreme Court cannot tell a state supreme court how to interpret the state’s constitution.
I’ll go even further. Hawley (R-Insurrectionist) does not say what’s unconstitutional about the tweaks to the law the the Republicans passed. I’ll give you a simple example: If the state constitution says that voting is done on yellow paper ballots, but the state government passes a law that says “we are running out of yellow paper, people can vote on blue ballots also” should the people who voted on blue ballots have their votes thrown out after the fact? Assuming they’re eligible voters.
I’ll go EVEN further… can you show me one instance in the 244-year history of the United States where entire population of valid votes were thrown out after an election because they were deemed unconstitutional in the casting after the fact? Show any court anywhere in the United States that ever allowed this to happen.
Is this what you have? Seriously, it’s time to stop saying “no one looked at the evidence.” This was looked at by like 10 courts (including Trump-appointed judges) and they found it to be nonsense. It was briefed, it was argued, it was examined. A similar issue was in Georgia with the Republican-signed “consent agreement.” It was signed in March 2020. It was an order of the court. If there was a problem it should have been brought up then. It cannot be called unconstitutional 7 months later because you don’t like the outcome of the election.
Coffee Addict – I may have, there are many threads. If you re-post the link I will look at it again.
How would we know… it would be reported. Just like every serious case of election fraud is reported. See North Carolina a couple of years back. And the things I mentioned wouldn’t add up. The hand count and the original machine count would be different. Republican secretaries of state would show evidence in their own states. Vote totals in questioned counties would be higher than the number of citizens. You would be able to identify the names of the 11,000 felons that voted. The videos would show suitcases of ballots that came from no where instead of sealed ballot boxes that can be seen on the video for hours and hours before. Hugo Chavez would be alive. Dominion Voting (a subsidiary of Diebold) wouldn’t be an American company.
It’s very hard to commit voter fraud and get away with it. Because it’s very easily caught with all the technology we have. For large scale voter fraud in modern times its just impossible. There would be evidence of a conspiracy. Ballots wouldn’t add up. The opposing party would spot the miscounting.
And your point about secretaries of state is nonsense. If it’s legal to register on the same day and vote (Wisconsin requires ID), then it’s legal. The total number of registered people even after election day was lower than the number of voters.
ujm – Democrats are only adamantly opposed because your media tells you that Democrats are adamantly opposed. You live in a bubble. Voter ID laws were not brought up at all in 2020 by liberals. We were more concerned with voter purges. And when it comes to voter ID laws, if there is equal access and application no one will object. What about buying liquor? Voting is a right guaranteed by the US Constitution (and the state constitutions). Buying alcohol is not.
Health – How has Lin Wood (who I know, dude is nuts) been doing in court? Has he won a single case or single motion? He’s either withdrawn every case or been thrown out by TRUMP appointed judges. Thousands of empty pages is not thousands of affidavits. Go look at them. “A vote counter was wearing a BLM tshirt” is not evidence of votes being miscounted.
I debunked 3 nonsense conspiracy theories in this thread. Do you have any evidence to prove I’m wrong about the trash bags, and the Michigan and Wisconsin vote counts? Do you have other theories that need to be tested?
As I said at the top, you people would walk into the ocean if Trump told you it was dry land.
Coffee Addict – “The State of Wisconsin had 3,684,726 active registered voters on November 1, 2020.” – source elections.wi.gov
“The State of Wisconsin had 3,811,193 active registered voters on December 1, 2020.”
“PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES Total Votes: 3,297,352” – source elections.wi.gov.
Five days before the elections there were 400,000 more registered voters than votes cast for president. Same day registration doesn’t even come into your argument. Not sure where you’re getting your numbers, but you should check the source.
ujm – The JFK election was 60 years ago. Voter records were not computerized. Earlier in the century people voted by standing in front of the box for the candidate they supported and putting in a piece of paper. Votes were not secret, so (for example) bosses could see who their employees voted for, and threaten their job if the voted for the “wrong” candidate. We, as a country, evolve.
Democrats oppose voter ID laws that are designed to discriminate against distinct populations (students, the elderly, the poor, rural voters). In Georgia I can use my state-issued gun license as my ID, but not a state-issued university student ID. You’ll recall in 2016 when that Republican member of the Pennsylvania state legislature said out loud that the purpose of the voter ID law was to make sure Trump won. It has nothing to do with vote security. Every Democrat that I’ve suggested the Israel model to agrees that it would be fine. Every citizen has a photo ID they get when they’re 16 (or 18, whatever), the ID is free, it is easy to get, and every state accepts it as valid.
Further, as I explained above and as every serious study has shown, voter ID laws do not decrease the number of voter fraud cases in a state (a number that is miniscule already). Pennsylvania has a voter ID law and that Republican got caught trying to vote for Trump on his mother’s signature.
coffee addict – In 2020, there were 5,539,302 votes cast in the presidential election. Michigan had 8,127,333 registered voters at the time of the election. These are the final result, with Pres.-Elect Biden winning by 154,188. This information is from the Secretary of State’s office.
How can you say that more people voted for Biden than are registered? What’s your evidence? What’s the source?
And if, at some point before the final results were announced, there was an error in reporting, correcting the error before the final results are announced is exactly what the system is designed to do.
Syag – On the contrary.
Thesis: Trump supporters believe half-stories without further investigation if it suits their narrative, and if Trump says it.
Experiment: Post a true half-story and see if they ask for more evidence or assume the best of me because I’m within their fold.
Result: Trump supporters assumed I did the right thing otherwise I wouldn’t talk about it, but in doing so exposed and proved the thesis by citing other equally half-stories as true, that could easily be investigated and proven to be false. For example, the trash bags and the “more votes cast than registered voters.”
ujm – Democrats (and Mitt Romney, and other Republicans that left the party and voted for impeachment) used the impeachment power exactly when it was needed and what it was designed for. An extreme and rare case. When a president abuses his power to such a degree. Can any non-president get a foreign country to announce a sham investigation into their political opponent in exchange for military aid?
I was against Pres. George W. Bush and many of the things he did. But I NEVER (and most Democrats NEVER) said he should be impeached. I am 100% sure that had any of the other Republicans running for president in 2016 gotten into office, not a single one of them would even think to do what Trump did.
YDF – Yes, I did. In Georgia you have to show ID to vote. I showed my drivers license. I could also show my conceal-carry permit. For states that don’t have voter ID laws, there is still a registry of the voters, so faking being someone backfires when the actual person shows up to vote a second time. Or if the facts don’t match, like a 20 year old guy shows up to vote in the name of an 80 year old, or a man for a woman. There’s a reason voter impersonation hasn’t been a “thing” for decades (or a century). It’s a low reward-high risk crime.
For the record, I support universal, national, voter IDs with automatic registration like we have in Israel. If the ID is free, every citizen has one, and every state and county is using the same standard for identification, that gets rid of all the constitutional challenges to voter ID laws that are selectively designed.
Syag – the responses proved my point. “Trash bags full of Trump votes” is half a story, and you (and your friends) fell for it. Which other allegations did I not answer?
ujm – You talk about impeachment like it’s something normal that is done during every administration. It’s extremely rare. Andrew Johnson’s impeachment was an extreme (and probably wrong) case in the aftermath of the Civil War when the powers of the Vice President to take over after a President dies were not well-established. Nixon was almost impeached, but had the decency to leave office rather than drag the country down that road. Bill Clinton got impeached for lying about an act of no national significance that I can’t repeat on this website.
Trump is the third present in 231 years to be impeached (Pres. Washington was inaugurated in 1789). He is the first president to have a senator of his OWN PARTY vote to remove him from office. This is NOT a normal thing and should not be repeated in future congresses regardless of party. Trump has so normalized extremism that it’s become nothing more than a political tactic.
YSF156 – Biden did not get more votes than actual registered voters in key places. Any allegation that the final count included counties where more people voted that there were registered voters is simply a lie and a fiction. On Election Day itself, there were preliminary releases of vote totals in a few random counties that had reporting errors. Those errors were obvious, and corrected before final vote tallies were announced. To verify this, I invite you to show me examples from county websites where the number of votes exceeds the number of registered voters in the county. All of this information is public and easy to find.
There are no trash bags of torn up Trump ballots. This is also simply a lie. This was in Oklahoma. The photo was of spoiled ballots (like mine that was cancelled before I voted in person, or that had two candidates marked in the same race), that had to be set aside. And there isn’t any evidence that those ballots were exclusively Trump ballots (the examples shown by the State of Oklahoma had both Biden and Trump marked on the same ballot). In any case, Trump won Oklahoma by like 400 point. I invite you to visit the website of the Oklahoma State Board of Elections to confirm this.
You got two absentee ballots sent to you by mistake, most likely. My absentee ballot went to my US address and not my address in Israel as I requested. 160 million people voted, there will be some missteps as there are in every election. But if you tried to cast two ballots, it would be been easily flagged and you’d probably be arrested. This happened in Pennsylvania to a Trump voter.
Are there any other questions you have that haven’t been addressed?
ujm – Trump was impeached because he conditioned military aid legislated by Congress on a foreign government announcing an investigation into a political rival. He admitted it, and said it was OK. Of course, there was nothing to investigate. Trump just wanted the announcement of an investigation to it would hurt Biden’s chances in the upcoming election.
And, as I’ve told you in other posts, Biden did not do the same thing. During the Obama administration, it was the policy of the United States, as approved by the REPUBLICAN Congress, that Ukraine had to get rid of corrupt government officials, including the attorney general who WOULD NOT investigate Burisma. This was the policy of the EU and NATO. This was the policy voted on by Sen. Ron Johnson and every other Republican in the Senate. There was not condition of helping in a domestic political race.
In 2018, it was not the policy of the United States that Ukraine has to investigate President-Elect Biden in order to receive military aid. Congress passed the aid without that condition. Trump tried to use the aid as leverage for a domestic political advantage. This is the WORST form of presidential abuse and corruption of power, short of taking bribes for pardons.
Gohmert sued Pence claiming that Pence has the power, under the Constitution, to NOT count the electoral votes of states that did not vote for Trump. Brilliant! How come no one thought of this in the last 231 years?! You can just keep the opposing party out of power by not counting the votes on the Senate floor! That’s totally how democracy works and what the Founders intended.
Except the Constitution doesn’t say that. “The President of the Senate **shall**, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open **all** the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted.” But why let a little think like the Constitution get in the way of a coup by a wanna-be dictator? It’s not like Republicans have been yelling and screaming “the Constitution!!! strict interpretation!!!” from the rooftops since the 1850s.
When it comes to the egel hazahav, this troop will follow him into the ocean because he says it’s dry land.
Each county sets their own hours. At this location it was until 5 PM. At other locations in the county it was until 7 PM, which is when voting normally ends on Election Day.
And to be clear, the two absentee ballots were mine and my wife’s. My wife’s ballot was properly filled out, signed and sealed. I hand-delivered it rather than relying on the mail. I brought my ballot in it’s original mailing envelope unopened, and had the clerk cancel it so I could vote in person. This is done in 3 ways: they entered it on the computer, then they enter it on a ledger, then they write it on the ballot itself, so there’s no way someone else (or me) can use the absentee ballot. Then I voted regularly.
My point is that those claiming fraud would use my story as an example of fraud, like I voted 3 times. They sent around photos of people putting multiple envelopes in the drop box, but not saying that they are different ballots by different people, like a guy bringing for himself and his wife or parents. Half a story is no story. Be more skeptical of those who want to take away the democracy. Look for the full story. Look at why the courts threw out 60 cases. Look at why Republican governors who carried water for Trump all through the Plague can’t find a way to help him now.
The government pays for it. Which is why it was, and will be, a short-lived and minimally-used solution. Those of us that have homes in Israel should be able to quarantine at home as we did before. The new British variant of the virus is already out. Having ALL citizens who travel abroad in hotels is a waste of resources.December 7, 2020 3:51 am at 3:51 am in reply to: Was Every Married Guy Perfect when they Went Out on Dates? #1926475
There are two ways to look at this:
1) Religious – It will “click” when Hashem wants it to. He chose your zivug 40 days before you were born. When you come upon her it will click. He runs the world. You just do your part. Keep dating and He will bring her to you. Hashem has a reason why you will wait however many years or months before you find her. And that reason must be for the best.
2) Rationalist – Honestly assess yourself and the women you’re seeking to date. Does who you are and who you want to be match or fit with the characteristics of the women you want to be set up with? There’s a story I tell to potential jurors when I’m picking a jury before trial… “I’m not looking for the best juror, I’m looking for the RIGHT juror. When I played football, I told the coach I wanted to try playing running back. He put his hand on my shoulder and said, ‘son, we could time your 40 with a calendar and you couldn’t catch a cold. You’re not meant to play running back. Now go over to the offensive line and learn protection.'” You may be a great guy, but not the RIGHT guy for these girls (and vice versa). Also honestly look at yourself in the mirror. Are there things YOU could improve? Get in better shape? Haircut? Better clothes? Work on your dating communication skills? Find more interesting places to go on dates?
I pray that you find your match soon and in Hashem’s time. We all look forward to a follow up post where you announce your engagement.
For the record… THIS is the type of discussion I (and others) come to YWN and the Coffee Room to see. The Yeshiva World, not CNN vs. Fox vs. OAN vs. MSNBC. Shkoyach to the OP and those that contributed to this discussion. I learned a great deal. I hope to see more of this.
Health – the case in Georgia was thrown out. Badly. I know Judge Grimberg. A Republican appointed by Trump to the federal district court. A law-and-order prosecutor. We worked together on a case when he was an Assistant US Attorney many years back. Also, Sidney Powell isn’t part of the Trump legal team anymore.
The judge in Pennsylvania called Trump’s argument “Frankenstein’s monster” because it cobbled together so many disparate and contradictory theories (none of which were backed by facts or evidence) that it couldn’t be taken seriously. Did you ever read the affidavits they submit? They’re on CM/ECF. You can read them. Allegations of “the poll worker was mean to me” and “the person counting the votes wore a BLM tshirt” are not evidence of election fraud or miscounting. The 1,300 missing votes in Georgia were in Floyd County, northwest Georgia, that went for Trump by like 60%. I’ve been up there many times.
Appeals don’t work the way you think they do. You can’t present evidence on an appeal. The appeals court (including the US Supreme Court) will only look at evidence already on the record. So if they’re holding something back for a Supreme Court “biblical” bombshell… it’s going to land like a dud.
Based on your posts, it seems that you received your American civics training in the Soviet Union. I think it would be best for you to close down your account, go open a Gemara, and think about why you have the world view that you have.
Recanting his recanting of his recanting.
1. The head of Project Veritas is a convicted felon. His crime was breaking into the office of a member of Congress to steal documents. He has been found to have doctored videos, lied to public officials, and using fraud to prove that there is fraud by showing that he attempted fraud. In ALL of his videos. All of them.
2. The postal worker said under oath in front of congressional investigators, and in a sworn affidavit, that the story he told Veritas was fiction. You can read the affidavit. It’s not a secret. This is what happens when “voter fraud” claims are put to the test. People can lie on YouTube or at a press conference. But when their behinds are on the line in front of a judge or under oath, they tell the truth. This is why Trump is 0-for-10 in his fraud lawsuits.
3. The postal worker recanted his recanting (on YouTube, not under oath) because he was going to lose the $136,000 he raised on a GoFundMe page when it came to light that he lied. GoFundMe already said that he did not get any money and that the account is closed. So we’ll never hear from this guy again.
4. Backdating ballots is completely implausible. In Pennsylvania, the ballots themselves are in two envelopes. So to change the date on the ballot the postal worker would have to open the envelopes (a federal crime punishable by 15-20 years in prison), change the date, and reseal them in two new envelopes while copying the voter’s signature. And doing this all under surveillance cameras. Backdating the post-mark is impossible. If it was post-marked already, it’s a stamp on there, it can’t be altered. To change the date on the post-marking machine is either impossible, or would log evidence of tampering (the kind of evidence that would be expected in court). There is no such evidence, nor even an allegation. That’s why all this nonsense fails.
While I CAN vote by mail, there’s something about the ritual of going out on Election Day and casting a ballot in person that always gets me. Maybe we’re just a ritual-centric people. In fact, this years I’m flying back from Eretz Yisrael to vote in person and volunteer to work at the polls. Of course, I fly to Eretz Yisrael to vote in the elections here. The joys of dual citizenship.
@always – You make a good point. I don’t think COMPELLING people to vote is the answer, but make it easier for those who want to vote, and are eligible, to actually cast their vote. Some people are more motivated than others. Some people will crawl through broken glass to vote for their candidate. Others have a preference and will vote, but if it doesn’t take away too much of their time. I think everyone should have the opportunity to be heard.
I agree that much of the problem is political. The sad thing is that one party has said publicly that they want fewer people to vote because it’s better for them. I think, in a democracy, you should try to sway the public to your point of view, not deny the ability of your opponents to exercise their rights. I guess I’m an idealist…
So… it looks like somewhere in this conspiracy-laden rant is an actual question that folks on this forum may or may not want an answer to. Having worked as an election lawyer (off and on) for 15 years in one of the states at the center of voting controversy I’m happy to give you some answers and perhaps correct some of the baseless misconceptions you’re carrying around.
Suicidal to go to the polls on Election Day – Not really. If you’re wearing a mask, have no symptoms of illness, and stay 6-feet distant from others while cleaning your hands before and after touching any paper or machine most folks will be fine. It’s more dangerous for the elderly and immunocompromised, obviously. But if you’re healthy and take common-sense precautions, there’s no reason you can’t go to the polls in person on Election Day.
Before we begin, we have to agree on a basic assumption… that we support democracy and representative government, and that every citizen should vote and should be able to exercise their right to vote. If you believe like some, that more people voting is bad, then I suggest you find another country where they do not practice democracy.
Universal mail-in ballots – There are three different things here that you’re talking about: (1) states that mail actual election ballots to the registered addresses of every registered voter in the state; (2) states that mail absentee ballot applications to every voter in the state; and (3) states that require a voter to affirmatively file paperwork to apply for an absentee ballot. I’ll respond in reverse…
(3) Requiring registered voters to apply for an absentee ballot isn’t, in and of itself, bad. But it does limit the ability of many citizens to vote. The absentee ballot application is usually only available online. We all know frum Yidden who do not have computers. There’s also many elderly who either don’t have computers or don’t have the skills to use them. And as we learned with distance learning, many poor families do not have computers. The only way for them to get an application is to go to the county voting office. In many states, in rural areas, those offices are open one day a month and there is no public transportation to get there. You may think I’m finding a narrow population to justify my point. In my state, I know that narrow population to be at least 300,000 citizens. In a representative democracy that tries to be the world’s beacon of light, should it be SO hard for citizens to exercise their right to vote? So… it’s limiting, but not a bad thing to have.
(2) Many Republican governors in the primaries sent out absentee ballot applications to all registered voters. Some thought this was terrible and would open things up to fraud. It’s very hard to fraudulently request an absentee ballot. If an identity thief using someone else’s name to get a ballot, there will be two requests under the same name and address, and that will be flagged. Similarly, signatures won’t match and the application will be rejected. If someone is hell-bent on committing voter fraud, they can just as easily take advantage of Option 3 above, which has the same safeguards.
(1) Nine states and Washington, DC have universal mail-in voting where the county sends every registered voter a ballot to their registered address. This has been done for decades in some states with the result being high voter turnout and almost no discernable fraud. Why does this work? Voter fraud is a high risk, low reward crime. And it’s easy to catch. Where would the fraud come in here… someone swipes a ballot from another person’s mailbox and fills it in? First, each ballot is bar-coded, so names+address cannot be duplicated, nor can fake ballots be printed. Even if someone had the technology to duplicate a ballot, the bar code would not work when the ballot is received. Back to the mailbox… if a person didn’t get their ballot they would know and alert the county, which would then be on the lookout for an extra, fraudulent ballot. What’s the reward for the fraud? A single vote. What’s the risk? 15-20 years in jail for stealing mail and 5-10 years in jail for voter fraud. And if a person or group did this in an organized way and stole many ballots? It’s even easier to catch.
What about vote harvesting? Taking validly cast ballots, collecting a bunch, and tossing them… you seem to elude to that in your post. Well… same problem. Each ballot is bar-coded so the voter can check online or by calling their county election office to see if their ballot was received. In my state the county sends you an email when it’s received and accepted. If you sent in your ballot but it wasn’t received, you know something is wrong and you can alert the county to fix the problem. And if this happens on a large scale (as it did with Republicans in North Carolina) then it’s very easy to catch because hundreds of ballots are missing, and it’s not hard to find who took them. The people involved in the harvesting were arrested and prosecuted. Now… what about a well-meaning person collecting ballots and delivering them correctly as a bunch to a county office? I think that’s fine, though it should be done with caution.
Bottom line… there is very little danger of election fraud with universal mail-in voting. This is not 1874. Things are computerized enough to spot problems.
Fraud we’re witnessing every day – What fraud? Ballots dumped and shredded? You’re getting half stories from your media. I’m still waiting to find out into which river in Wisconsin those “Trump” ballots were thrown. Why? Because it didn’t happen. It’s fiction. What happened was that a box of general mail fell out of a truck and was found on the side of a road. There were some ballot applications in there (there weren’t absentee ballots yet), and there’s no way to know who those people would eventually vote for. This is the point… it was caught! A pile of ballots were shredded? No they weren’t. The story was that a new worker in a clerk’s office moved a pile of ballots to the wrong side of a table. It was caught and fixed. Wrong addresses and wrong people? Yeah… you know about it because it was caught a month before the election and was fixed. With 130,000,000 votes being cast there WILL be problems and mistakes. For the most part, those mistakes are caught and fixed.
You are working under the assumption that there absolutely is wide-spread voter fraud of some form. There is no evidence for this assumption. None. None at all. In 2017 Trump convened a committee to investigate voter fraud led by Kris Kobach. Why? Because Trump’s ego wouldn’t allow him to accept the idea that while he won the election under the Constitution, he lost the popular vote. And do you remember what Kobach’s report from the committee said? Do you remember it? Should I give you time to go look it up? No… you don’t remember it because there was none. The committee disbanded after a few months because there was nothing to investigate and no findings to publish.
More recently… Trump’s campaign has lawsuits going in several states to strike large swaths of mail-in ballots of all types (even the ones you like). What happened in those lawsuits? They’re all dismissed. Why? As the TRUMP appointed judge in Pennsylvania said last week, because the plaintiffs presented no allegation of fact (a standard far lower than evidence) to support a claim of voter fraud. The judge (Trump appointed) called it a “fiction.” The plaintiffs couldn’t even tell the court a plausible story without the requirement of evidence. That’s how flimsy this notion of wide-spread voter fraud in the US really is.
Why would I support universal mail-in voting? While I accept that it is a good system with no evidence of systematic fraud, I don’t think it’s the best. I like the Israeli model better, with universal automatic voter registration. Some states have this. But that’s just my opinion. I think the US, as a country, has to consider ways to move voting into the 21st century. We’re working on a model from the 1870s.
What ARE problems in the voting system? There is no reason why, in the United States, the richest and most advanced country in the history of the world, the most developed democracy, that people should have to wait in line for eight (8) hours or more to vote. THAT is the problem. I salute the dedication of those folks (and I will be one of them) to stand in line for so long. But it should not have to be this way. It is the result of incompetence and willful neglect across several states and all political parties. There’s also a lot of blame shifting. For example, in my state, the same secretary of state who, on his own, threw 500,000 people off the voter rolls without cause, said that he did not have the authority to allocate resources to get better equipment or more workers in areas with larger populations (he did, there’s a statute). In some counties you have one voting machine per 100 voters and in the next county over you have one machine per 10,000 voters. Do you think that’s right or acceptable?
I will tell you what ACTUAL voter fraud cases look like. You can research this for yourself on any state election commission minutes database. I watched the hearings. The vast majority of cases involve mistakes. Someone moves right before an election and they’re not sure where to vote. They ask the county clerk and the clerk gives them the wrong information. So they vote in the wrong place. Is that voter fraud? Should that person’s vote be counted? Was there criminal intent? Or my favorite… a poll worker was charged because a 90 year old voter asked him to demonstrate how the touch-screen voting machine works. Not vote for him… not see his vote… just how to push the buttons. That worker was charged with voter fraud. Is it?
And this is my point. The safety-net is so fine that even these very minor accidents are caught and resolved. So there is little to worry about when it comes to a concept of wide-spread election shenanigans.
First, you’re getting the quotes wrong. Second, you’re taking them wildly out of context. Third, you’re confusing mistakes in speech with policies designed to harm minority communities.
And regarding Robert Byrd (if you didn’t know, that’s who your last sentence refers to), he was a segregationist that did teshuva. He spent the last 50 years of his life repenting for his segregationist sins and working to undo the harm that he did in the 40s and 50s. This is well known. I think that deserves praise. When you see a ger tzedek or baal teshuvah who is a yieras shamayim living a Torah life do you first remind him of when he ate cheeseburgers 30 years ago?September 25, 2020 5:19 am at 5:19 am in reply to: Why are massive protests okay, but davening in a minyan is not? #1904562
Speaking specifically for Israel… because the ONE protest going on is several hundred people total but millions of Jews go to shul on Yom Kippur (and likely a million each Shabbat). The number of potential interactions at a protest is 437,000 on a national basis. But the number of potential interactions in shul on a national basis is 37,000,000… or nearly 100 times more. It’s worse for schools. So if you’re going to act like these are the only 2 things people do and pretend this is a zero sum game, then you limit the activity that is 100 times worse. Similarly, it is legal to drive 55 mph on a highway, though some accidents will occur, but it is not legal to drive 100 mph because the likelihood of accidents is many times worse.
The source of my statistics is publicly available and was published yesterday. My wife is a professor here in Israel whose doctoral students are doctors doing research and treatment for COVID-19.
Second, Rav Yitzchak Yosef, the Agudah, and pretty much every rav on Earth have said that not wearing a mask makes one liable for the death of others. Do we follow daas Torah only when it’s convenient? Or it doesn’t contradict a political talking point?