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Ilhan Omar uploaded a document on her twitter feed that there will be no need for police since people only do crimes sich as robbing banks because they have such a need, and by transferrin funds from the police to human services no one will NEED to rob a bank anymore.
I am not making this up.
Camden, NJ got rid of their rotten-to-the-core police department and recreated a new one. They are doing much better now. They didn’t have the issues that the NYPD had with the rioting.
@ Milhousr
What I think Ruevain is trying to do, is saying that it’s dichotomous to be anti-abortion but pro-police brutality against alleged murderers.
@ruevain
Ouch! Usually I cant stand whataboutisms but tahts a good one.
Those in the 17th district (rockland and nort Westchester) should know that there is a very good moderate democrat running David Carlucci against very left wing people (based on the loterature i received from them in the mail they think all tgat people care about in my district are social liberal issues such as abortuon gun contril etc. They do not know the moderate suburb people that live here)
What do you mean by abortions that are needed? If you mean mamzerim, maybe I am wrong but such abortions are just as immoral. If you mean when the mothers life is in danger, I dont think there are that kind of fundamentalists in the public sphere.
That being said, because of the horrible liberal pro abortion, many Republicans made a knee jerk reaction to consider fetuses as if they are alive already לכל דבר. (Georgia is giving its Child Tax Credit to unborn children just to make a statement against abortion). This isn’t our view either.
Someone in monsey:
If you make such a horrible accusation, you better back it up. What part of police being capable of brutality is not torahdig?? What?
And do the mods really allow such talk here? Can I call someone a ממזר? I think someone here deserves it.
What does systematic racism mean? Most of the people talking about systemic racism also say that the system has to be rebuilt, that capitalism is inherently racist, and the only solution is basically bolshevikism. I don’t think that’s what you mean. What do you mean?
The AG said today that
1. It will be difficult to convict on 2nd degree murder but…
2. This is in addition to the prosecution of 3rd degree murder charges. I think that means that even if they are unsuccessful with 2nd they can still convict on 3rd. But I am not a lawyer so I don’t know how that works.
3. The other officers were abetting him. One held down the knee one held down a different part of him and one made sure onlookers didn’t come near.Btw, you are saying that they cannot prove his intent. I am just curious how they ever prove a unpremedidated murder has intent. I am going to guess that they usually base intent on the method of murder. If so, kneing on someone’s neck isnt worse than fatally shooting someone in the arm. I am not a lawyer though.
Right when I heard the news I thought: Keith Ellison wants this man to go free so there should be more riots and chaos. Can we have the conspiracy theorists come out and back me up please
There is something wrong that some of the commentators here in the Coffee Room can’t keep separate the threads about racist police brutality and the bolshevic attacks against America (aka rioting and looting). No amount of looting justifies murder and a racist cop murdering a black does not justify a white kid “redistributing” the merchandise in a Lois Vitton store in Portland. What don’t people get about it??
I think there are two components here. (1) Why did the cop think it was appropriate to stop George Floyd and arrest him? (2) Why did they commit police brutality (aka murder)?
Although everyone is discussing the police brutality, I don’t know if police are significantly more brutal to Blacks than to Whites. I think cops that commit these heinous crimes have something that is wrong with them and police departments around the country must ensure that these kind of people are not allowed to work by them. There are a number of other remedies to police brutality which are being debated which I actyally would like to see what the oilam thinks about (e.g. repealing 50a whatever that means).
That being said, there is definitely a race factor when it comes to stopping and arresting black folks. And I have some anecdotes to prove it. (1) Ask your black middle-class law-abiding neighbor how many times he was pulled over while driving for no reason whatsoever. I know of a rich vlack person who lives in a upper class neigjborhood near Monsey who says he always gets stopped by the Ramapo PD for no reason. Senator Tim Scott (black Republican) said that in his first year in Washington, he was stopped six times for no reason. (2) For years NYC thought it was appropriate to do Stop And Frisk. Everyone here would understand that it would be anti-Semitic if NYC had a special program to deal with zoning law violations in Borough Park. George Floyd should never have been arrested in the first place. I am not suggesting like some liberals are that police should stop concentrating on high crime areas (as that leads to a vicious cycle of arrests – you are only arresting people in Black neihjbirhoods brcause that is all you see). We don’t have enough cops to put on every street corner so you ultimately must concentrate cops on worse neighborhoods. But that doesn’t give LEO the right to consider blacks inherently suspicious. That is racist.
Sean hannity is very upset about he murder that should tell you guys something
@ health
Are all the Cops throughout the Country that are marching with the Blacks spoiled Brats? I have yet to seen a single Cop defend the Murderers. The only People defending them no nothing about law enforcement Tactics.
The reason, I believe that frum people are scared of getting involved in the protests is because we are wired to be scared of blacks marching through the street. For example, yesterday “askanim” in Williamsburg warned people to stay far from Bedford Avenue where there was a peaceful march going down the street. Sort of like our strange fear of dogs.
Dear n0mesorah:
Oh yeah? What about Benghazi?
RULE OF LAW!!!
Anyone trying to create anarchy and lawlessness by intimidating whistleblowers should be held accountable!I am a little out of things, can you name names?
@a mamin
I know i shouldn’t be replying to trolls but…
Adolf Hitler wore clothing, so you are Hitler.
And the sign in Bohosh said even people that received a heter to inform
I could mention rabbanim that hold you can inform some fully and some only in limited situations. But you only want legitimate poskim and if they hold you can inform then yiu probably don’t consider them legitimate. Nice cath-22 you made there.
I have a feeling this will go both ways. People who are upset about the irresponsibility of some of these mosdos might boycott them for some time to come.
Corporations are people too. And propping up small businesses like the Republican SBA is crony capitalism. Big business is ultimately better for the consumer and should be supported first.
Mr addict: sorry, but crony capitalism IS a form of socialism. You are advocating for socialism.
I lost my access to LoHud but I did see that on May 4th, Monsey had 1,478 cases (Daily Voice). As of May 22nd, there are 1,628 cases.
The Mt Sinai data is publicly available?
הא גופא the problem is that the elderly will not understand. How many older people do you know that will gladly miss tfillah btzibbur when everyone younger than them are not. There are so many factors that should go into reopening, including psychological factors that people here think that we can ignore. (For the record, I personally am pro reopening – I will still listen to whatever the experts say because I know that I don’t know everything)
Where did you get your numbers from?
But I assume your question is just theoretical, because even if the virus has compelety stopped spreading in our communuties, that shouldn’t be the only factor in deciding on how to re-open or whether we can be careless now. We don’t know how long our immunity will last. Elderly people who wre self isolated the past few months aren’t immune to the virus. To figure out all these factors you will need scientists and doctors to give their expertise.
It depends if you want to here anecdotal or empirical evidence. Anecdotally, Hatzoloh members have been quoted as saying that they aren’t transporting any COViD patients to the hospital anymore. Empirically, the number of those tested positive in zipcodes such as Monsey are continuing to go up, albeit at a very low rate. On the other hand, the Nichum Aveilim list from Misaskim looks pretty normal.
What ever happened to todays(Sunday) ReOpen NY attempt? Did the organizers consider it a success? The sherrifs just closed every store that was opened and it didn’t look like they accomplished much.
Yitzchok adlerstein has a pretty good article on this question.
When I wrote anti-Science, I meant to say that having to argue with some areas of science such as cosmology, biology, paleontology and archaeology to name a few, has created this break between us and science which made us break free from the blind support the goyim have for all science and scientists. This is why we don’t blindly trust the climatologists at the IPCC when they do their alarmist modeling. Unfortunately, some of us take this healthy scepticism and turn it ugly. But it isnt inherently bad.
Why are y’all picking on the anti-vaxxers when you believe in the same anti-science ideas when it come to denying climate change. And yes, the vaccination rates in our communtiy were almost definitely inflated because otherwise how would you explain the lack of herd immunity that happened last year?
commonsaychel has the best answer though
Probably a combination of some of the following:
1. We have an issue that we think that we have a “yiddeshe kupp” which causes us to be ibber-chachamim and actually do stupid things.
2. By insulating ourselves from the media, we’re missing important information about how the virus works, government ordinances regarding the virus, and what kind of effect our actions have on our neighbors’ perceptions of us.
3. As Orthodox Jews, there are areas in science in which we inevitably will clash with. For example, scientism rejects any supernatural occurences. This has created a sceptisim of any science, including climate change, vaccinations, and even weather forcasts.
4. A segment of us have had a deficient education. Or in other words, some of us are dumb (probably including me.)
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