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  • in reply to: Summer Camps in a Pandemic?! #1877072
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    Mr. Tuition, a mashal, imagine if a Jew cut a line at wherever, and when people start giving him dirty looks he replied oh as an Orthodox Jew I cut the line as a “religious right”, what do you think would happen?

    in reply to: systematic/institutional racism #1877017
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    Chaim Schulem:

    “which is a mess that continues to grow” – It’s dichotomous to say that a growing mess is caused by a decreasing racism.

    It’s true that there are lingering effects of past discrimination and that vicious cycles of poverty exist. That being said, it’s very difficult to argue that it’s a primary factor in today’s racial disparities. From 1950 to today, America has become far less racist by banning segregation, redlining and workplace discrimination, yet Blacks are worse off today with both the wealth gap and the income gap widening. In addition, other ethinic groups have started off with no capital in their communities and still achieved equity.

    I do agree with you if you’re talking about the sociological effects that past racism had on the hopelessness and inferiority complex within the Black community.

    in reply to: Summer Camps in a Pandemic?! #1876918
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    Was the Agudah advised before their lawsuit by the moetzes? Isn’t it cognizant of the fact that it’s promoting anti-Semitic stereotypes that there are two sets of rules, one for us and one for everybody else? And another stereotype that says we Jews can get away with anything by crying religion?

    in reply to: Why does the frum world have no clout? #1876737
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    Not understanding what you mean by centralized

    in reply to: Zoning Laws in Halacha #1876308
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    @Joseph
    That’s not factual, but that’s what the anti semites in my area say. They also think that rluipa means that if you’re religious you can build whatever you want. All Rluipa really says is that a town cannot make it excessively difficult to build a shul.

    in reply to: H-a-s-h-e-m H-e-l-p M-e F-i-n-d A S-h-i-d-d-u-c-h-!-! #1876307
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    I think a disturbance just happened in the time-space continuum.

    in reply to: Cancel Culture #1876298
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    @ubiquitin
    My theoretical question just became למעשה. Would you agree with the Change.org petition to cancel the infamous french kibg Louis who directed the שריפת התלמוד and rename St Louis, Missouri?

    in reply to: Why does the frum world have no clout? #1875937
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    Of course what we both are not saying out loud is that frum people are terrible voters and if Thomas Jefferson or any of the other founding fathers saw us, they would exclude us from voting. So this conversation is a non starter.
    And, yes. I would love to live in the utopian world you described. Seriously.

    in reply to: Why does the frum world have no clout? #1875922
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    Dear n0,
    (3) I feel like that’s a false dichotomy. I think askanim should “educate” the masses on who is running; they shouldn’t be silent but neither should they be acting like a bunch of Mafioso. For example, There should be ads allowed from all candidates on our platforms, our media should interview all candidates, and we should have op-eds analyzing the candidates. On (2) we like comparing ourselves to blacks. ( And I am made to feel like an Uncle Tom every time I vote independently). However, in all white areas besides Urban or Appalachia the numbers are on average 60/40. So while everyone has their biases, most demographic areas in America are intelligent enough that every election cycle it looks a little different because individuals are making individual decisions. (1) i didn’t get what your’e saying. Regardless, i didn’t mean to emphasize on what the askonim are receiving in exchange for the votes. I just meant this whole idea of “delivering the votes” sounds like something out of Tammany Hall.

    in reply to: Why does the frum world have no clout? #1875838
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    I don’t know if this is applicable in Brooklyn, but We have too much of a bloc vote, especially in the suburbs: (1) the optics of a corrupt deal between 5 unknown askanim and a politician (“i could get you 20k votes if you just give me xyz”) is a chillul hashem. (2) The fact that many of us have no idea what kind of people we’re voting for and just vote for whatever the askonim say gives us a bad name. (3) a bloc vote automatically creates an anti-Orthodox backlash; if 40% of voters will vote with A no matter what, B has no option but to incite the other 60% to vote in a block; in a perfect world, we would encourage all politicians running to get as much frum votes as possible and we would encourage all frum voters to vote intelligently.

    in reply to: Empirical data: Does systemic racism exist? #1875359
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    The World Street Journal has an article with a well balanced view of police brutality. It turns out that in some categories there are serious issues (aggressiveness, nonlethal force), with less of a disparity in officer shootings.

    in reply to: Atlanta #1875299
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    Am I the only one that sees a connection between whites “accidentally” killing their slaves during “moderate corrections” in 1860 and the white descendants who are now police offers (modern day slave overseers) executing Blacks for drunk driving?

    in reply to: Cancel Culture #1875266
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    There’s a statue of George Washington in London’s Trafalgar Square.

    in reply to: NEW YORK OVER #1874979
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    What chaos? And history never repeats itself, regardless.

    in reply to: End of Western Civilization #1874216
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    @by1212
    All your’e telling me is that politicians are corrupt, petty and short-sighted. Nothing new here. What percentage of Congress wants to radically change America?

    in reply to: The Supreme Court #1873902
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    According to Gorsuch’s flawed Office Xmas Party sevarah, if I show up to work wearing blackface and get fired, can I sue them because had I been Black they wouldn’t have cared?

    in reply to: End of Western Civilization #1873398
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    @by1212
    “vast majority of senators and congressmen are good people?”
    Yes. What made you come to a different conclusion?

    in reply to: End of Western Civilization #1873330
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    @by1212
    You had to violate Goodwin’s Law that quickly??
    And I am personally in favor of Trump over Biden –despite the fact that Biden would be more stabilizing for this country. Your brain can’t comprehend nuance like that? I was the person to start this thread you know.

    in reply to: End of Western Civilization #1873161
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    I began this thread as a question on American culture. I don’t think American politics is holding there yet. I am nervous about what millenials and Generation Z think about our system. But I am not afraid of Joe Biden, who is in fact more stabilizing than Trump. The vast majority of Democratic Senators and Congressmen are decent people that love America as much as you and I do. Lets stop the “pack your bags” speeches. America is the freest country in the world.

    in reply to: Yidden out in the nature #1873090
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    You can’t fix the world. You can educate the people around you and that might create a ripple effect. Other than that, the only way to mitigate this Chillul Hashem is by picking up garbage in parks. One of my favorite hobbies is throwing away someone’s garbage right after they dropped it. (Hopefully it makes them feel stupid and not me)

    in reply to: systematic/institutional racism #1873031
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    @Joseph
    What would you need to prove discrimination? They will just say they didn’t like you for other reasons. And this is when they made some facial expression or comment about your religious appearances. What if they made no expression or comment at all? Then there’s definitely no way of suing them. Please educate me.

    in reply to: systematic/institutional racism #1872839
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    @someone in monsey
    Really? If you were to go to a job interview and get the feeling afterward that they are not interested in you because you’re frum, is there any way you can sue the person? Of course not. If a Black person knows that his resume is much less likely to get a call back, there’s no legal remedy for that but it’s still systemic racism.

    This, of course, doesn’t mean that these phenomena exist. You would have to look at empirical data for that, and the evidence is mixed.

    in reply to: systematic/institutional racism #1872836
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    Why is it absurd? The Democrats are attacking all white people including themselves. And you only included higher education institutions in your list. I don’t think anyone was accusing higher education of being systemically racist. Corporations, financial institutions, small businesses, Law enforcement officials, policy makers, etc are more Republican. That’s who people are accusing.

    in reply to: Cancel Culture #1872798
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    I was waiting for this, apparently theyre going after Julis Caesar statues in Belgium.

    in reply to: Are Law abiding minorities affected by police racism? #1872330
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    Did New York State really make it a hate crime to call the police that a “black person is acting suspicious etc.”?

    in reply to: Cancel Culture #1872305
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    @Joseph

    Sorry. #1&#8 – i understand you’re argument to be that traitors should not be glorified – regardless if the rebellion was justified. Which is weird because until three years ago you didn’t feel this way. In fact, Mrs. Pelosi, who I believe is saying this argument, her own father put up a Gen. Lee statue in Baltimore (according to Conservative media). And like I’ve written elsewhere, you don’t have a problem glorifying John Brown or Geronimo. So let’s stop pretending we have an issue with traitors at large. The claim that we always were upset about these “traitors” but we shut our mouths for the sake of peace also doesn’t make sense. Besides, what happened three years ago that we stopped caring about peace? #5 (1) kj wasn’t a signatory to the Constitution. Virginia was. (2) And they felt that the USA was becoming unconstitutional. Because the Constitution recognized slaves as property of their owners and the north wanted to be “mafkir” them. (3) And back then some people understood that it would be legal for a state to secede with a legislative vote. After 1869, this became illegal. #8 the majority of Americans wanted to “live and let live” after the secession. But Lincoln wanted his war, so he provoked South Carolina in attacking Ft Sumter. So yes, he might have had the legal authority to squash the rebellion but he didn’t have the populace on his side.

    in reply to: Cancel Culture #1872273
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    @ubiquitin

    Rav belsky allowed reading the Odyssey too?

    in reply to: Cancel Culture #1872244
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    Rebyidd23 is actually pointing to something onteresting that the reason why so many people are calling for the destruction of staturss is because statues are nit a thin anymore

    in reply to: Cancel Culture #1872257
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    @rebyidd23
    What would be the point of putting up statues of new people if they would only last twenty years when they will be knocked down to make way for the next generation’s statues?

    in reply to: Cancel Culture #1872219
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    @Joseph since according to halacha there is no need to destroy avodah zarah which was battul so i do feel a sense of nostalgia to a building of architectural importance. And I was upset. I just don’t think using History is a good argument against a religious reason to destroy it.

    in reply to: Cancel Culture #1872209
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    @charlie hall
    1. Did your ancestors fight because they owned slaves that they didn’t want to give up? I doubt it. Most soldiers that fought for the Confederacy had little or nothing to do with the slavery industry (and they definitely didn’t have black house slaves)
    2. I am not offended by your ad hominem attacks on me; it’s a bit upsetting though to see people that are so narcissistic about their grandparents. But I guess your schooling taught you those values; another reason why liberal education is so damaging.
    3. I already went through why the treason line doesn’t make any sense. You can try to counter argue my reasons but repeating the same line over and over again won’t help you.


    @Joseph

    I specifically wrote that I do not hold it against ISIS for destroying the Roman temples at Tadmura. I wasn’t clear enough?


    @Ubiquitin

    If they had a bust of Mussolini in the Museum of On Time Train Running i wouldnt have a problem with it.

    Regarding the Arch of Titus
    1. I dont think History is a reason to keep something which shouldn’t be there. Its almost as if you are saying that there is a statute of limitations to memorializing evil.
    2. True. You can apply this to Confederate statues as well (to an extent). But I don’t want to go back there.
    3. I agree.

    in reply to: Cancel Culture #1871954
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    @ubiquitin

    I would want to look at Virginia’s articles more than what a deepnsouth state would write. But regardless, what really happened isn’t so important. They’re not necessarily memorializing the truth. Even if they made up their myths on the spot to whitewash what they really fought for, I don’t think you have a right to control their thoughts. We also believe in things which social scientists think are rooted in illiberalism.

    Back to the important stuff, you’re leaving a wide range between FDR and Mussolini but I get the idea.

    Would you support knocking down the Arch of Titus? (And dont say History I dont care for History and I didnt care for History when ISIS destroyed the Roman temples at Palmyra/Tadmur.)

    in reply to: Cancel Culture #1871440
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    @ubiquitin

    I think we basically covered all bases in our debate, so we don’t have to turn this into an endless Ubiqituin loop. If I have the time to do it, I will try to delve deeper in the “myth” of the Lost Cause, intent of the statue builders etc. Regardless, my main point was that the people who built the statues and especially those who want to maintain them are not doing so out of white supremacy or any evil intentions. For them it represents something good.

    Interestingly, there were many people in history whos day job was to be great personalities and on the side perswcuted the Jews. I dont think their statues should be removed either for the same reason. This includes henry ford, that pilot in the 20s, president grant (jk) Pompeii etc. The anti communists in the Ukraine. I’m waiting for Ubiqition to suport me and som1 to suport me.

    in reply to: For Anyone who was a Teen/Adult in the 60s #1871352
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    I wasnt alive then but I think that when Nixon won the election in the fall everyone realized that it was all hype and that America at large including the youth was not with the protestors. We’re all waiting to see if the same thing will happen this fall.

    in reply to: Cancel Culture #1871329
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    @ ubiquitin I agree. This Condoleezza Rice reason to keep monuments makes no sense and is obviously an excuse to keep monuments that they cant explain intellectually why they have a problem with it coming down. Another absurd reason is that it will be a slippery slope.

    in reply to: Cancel Culture #1871322
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    @frumtd

    Cancel Culture would be the equivalent of Mishna Brurah followers banning the Arukh Hashulhan

    in reply to: Are Law abiding minorities affected by police racism? #1871307
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    @joseph

    I care.

    in reply to: Cancel Culture #1871295
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    @frumtd i dont think you have the correct definition of cancel culture. We all agree that not every viewpoint should be promoted. But are you suggesting that the Chinese Culture Revolution was also legitimate?

    in reply to: Cancel Culture #1871208
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    1. They were also treasonous yet there are statues of them all over the US.
    2. One correct point.
    3. He was not a traitor to the Commonwealth of Virginia.

    1. That’s an opinion. I think it was more complex then that. Lincoln when visiting Richmond after the war asked the band to play Dixie because already then he said the Confederacy was inherently an American thing.
    2. You have to be insane to be so unmagnaminious.
    3. Texas v White was in 1869. Nice try.
    4. Because then you will find out how and why the Southerners seceded, from their own POV. Of course, in a Cancel Culture society they would ban the book so that their POV is never heard. (Invisible Gorilla looks like an interesting read Ill try to get it).
    5. See number 3 (its actually an interesting phenomena that Lincoln wasn’t considered such a bad guy in postbellum South. You can read Rav Ilowy’s hesped of him despite the fact that Rav Ilowy was very pro-South (he ran away from Baltimore to New Orleans). I think it had to do with the way Lincoln was killed. People tend to romanticize assassinated individuals (read Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar)).
    6. Alternatively statues were put up in the 30s brcaus thats when the veterans began dying out and in the 60s because of the centennial. But in Cancel Culture we dont allow that kind of thought ch”v.
    7. Thank you
    8-9. Thats your point of view. According to the 1619 project everything is rooted in racism.

    in reply to: Are Law abiding minorities affected by police racism? #1871177
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    This was discussed in other threads. I came to the conclusion that police feel like since racial profiling does work since you do find more illegal stuff in black cars than white cars, that gives them the right to do so despite the immense indignation this is causing to innocent people.

    But if you are asking if police are more “brutal” to innocent people, you will need to go make studies about this. There isnt any national database on use of force incidents. There are mixed results from the data that we have now.

    in reply to: Chaim Deustch #1871173
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    @moshefrommidwood
    Although the OP didnt want to turn the thread into this, let me just say quickly that I think you are wrong. Congress hardly ever votes on social issues. Even if yes, there are four Democrats who are still anti abortion. On other social isssues Deutsch may even agree IDK (2nd amendment etc, Justice in Policing Act). Fiscally, he probably is just as liberal as the other Democrats (i could see him voting for the HEROES Act). Foreign Policy 95% of Democrats are old school. 59 out of 62 freshman democrats voted against BDS in 2019. Politics in many ways is still regional and if youre from NY you’rw going to agree qith 90% of your regional congressmen no mattter what you call yourself (i.e. repealing the SALT cap, pro immigration etc.)

    in reply to: Chaim Deustch #1871170
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    @שפתי חכמים

    Out of curiosity (I don’t live in Brooklyn), who are the people running against him, who are their base and what are their chances?

    in reply to: Cancel Culture #1871166
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    Another point: the people who memorialize the Confederacy and the producers of Gone with the Wind are romanticizing the Confederacy and what they fought for. You can argue that it was all rooted in evil. But they claim otherwise. Or, in otger words, there is a healthy freedom of thought and debate that’s going on. By destroying the Confederate monuments and Gone with yhe Wind, they’re attempting to control thr narrative, forcefully end the debate, and end freedom of thought in the United States.

    in reply to: Cancel Culture #1871106
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    1. From 1865 to 2017, America didn’t consider the South treasonous.
    2. There is a monument to John Andre in Tappan, NY
    3. The South had a right to leave an evolved system which they never signed up to.
    4. Read Jefferson Davis’ Rise and Fall of the Confederacy.
    5. Lincoln was a war mongering President who had no right attacking the Southern states and killing millions of Americans to “preserve the Union”. (Fort Sumter was a Northern provocation. They had no right being in that area.)
    6. Some of the statues may have been a protest of desegregation in the 20th century. If that’s true knock those down.
    7. Certain statues such as of Forrest (began the KKK in postbellum South) may actually be representing the evil of White Supremacism. If this is true knock them down.
    8. Robert E Lee was always and still is considered at worst a great american personality and at best an American Hero. Some people don’t like the deification of the general, but there is no doubt that he represents more than just a slave owber fighting for his rights to own slaves. It would do well for us to remember that we had people like him in our history. (And sinve were on Yeshova World, based on the documents that we have, he was MUCH more tolerant to his Jewish soldiers than Union General Grant was. Making sure that they were able to take a break on Yom Tov if I remember correctly. Getting Matzah.)
    9.and tgat is the point of these “protesters”. They want you to think that every remembrance of someone in history is trying to represent evil since naturally every single person living 100 years ago is in some way ot another less liberal than today. Does FDR represent anti Asian oppression?

    in reply to: Cancel Culture #1871136
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    1. What about statues of John Brown? Geronimo?
    2. Stop comparing Benedict Arnold to Robert Lee. Arnold was a despicable human being who was about to turn in his country because he didn’t get the promotion he wanted. Lee on the other hand was offered a major promotion to entice him to stay but he felt like it was wrong.
    3. Read Wikipedia’s page on Robert Lee and tell me if you still think he was a “traitor” and not a hero.

    in reply to: Cancel Culture #1870886
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    People are emotional now. Wait a few weeks until things blow over.

    in reply to: Defunding Police #1870262
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    My opinion about this is first of all filter out whatever police unions or community activists are saying. The police unions do not have the civiloans in mind just like the school unoons dont have the children in mind. Community activists should be ignored since I don’t know what their end game is (dehumanizing all cops is something that is so irrational that can only be understood in the context of a much larger attack on our way of life).

    That being said, I believe that the way policing and criminal justice is done is cyclic: There is too much crime. More policing and arrests. Crime goes down. Too many cops in quantity and tok much militarization and aggressiveness on the street. Police Brutality. Less policing and arrests. Crime goes up…. I think this actually is a healthy situation to be in, because we tweek our system to be responsive to changing dynamics. Everyone here surely agrees that there needs to be a balance between broken windows theory policing and deescalation of police aggression.

    in reply to: Defunding Police #1870237
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    Thie following is from the document Ilhan Omer uploaded:

    “But what about armed bank robbers, murderers, and supervillains?

    “Crime isn’t random. Most of the time, it happens when someone has been unable to meet their basic needs through other means. By shifting money away from the police and toward services that actually meet those needs, we’ll be able to get to a place where people won’t need to rob banks.

    “Sure, in this long transition process, we may need a small specialized class of public servants whose job it is to respond to violent crimes. But part of what we’re talking about here is what role police play in our society. Right now, cops don’t just respond to violent crimes; they make needless traffic stops, arrest petty drug users, and engage in a wide range of “broken windows policing” behaviors that only serve to keep more people under the thumb of the criminal justice system.”

    BTW I noticed that she retweeted someone that says that of cpurse she doeant mean to get rid of police all she means is Camden. So IDK which one she really means but based on the totality of all her wacky שיטות, ii am going with the police causes crime שיטה

    in reply to: Empirical data: Does systemic racism exist? #1870234
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    I think @som1 knocked it out of the park with their foolproof argument which proves that systemic racism doesn’t exist, and there’s no need to continue this debate any longer.

    That being said. It’s clear that we’re not having a standard of what should be considered racism and wrong. @n0mesorah’s standard is thats its wrong if you are making an indignation of the other. Which I like. Once upon a time when Merriam Webster was still a necessity and before it became political as a result of being obsolete, their definition of racism was a belief that the primary cause of traits and capabilities is tied to your race. According to the media, they plan on including sytemic racism as a new definition of racism and I look forward to seeing how exactly they define it.

    in reply to: Empirical data: Does systemic racism exist? #1870156
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    Its rational to be afraid. Its also common sense to avoid putting yourself in a situation in which you would discriminate against innocent people because you’re afraid. Don’t be a taxi driver 3 in the morning in a major city if you’re afraid of half of your clientele or their destinations. To do so knowingly that you’re only planning on picking up White people is racist.

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