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Did you figure out how to compare these 3 programs in the end?
I’m trying to do some research on this, and from the little I know about PCS and COPE, it seems like PCS is better than COPE. But would you, or anyone else reading this post, know how Landers Accelerated Accounting Program compares against PCS? (in regards to education, soft skills, professor competency, job placement, getting into Big 4 etc. — for all other technical details such as cost etc., I can use Google)
The reason why chassidim don’t wear masks is not because of stubbornness; it comes from embarrasment. Everyone is embarrassed of everyone else. People that wear masks in shul are openly mocked by others who would also wear a mask if they weren’t afraid of being mocked themselves. The solution, as always, is to start with yourself. You wear a mask and socially distance everywhere, and when a large enough number of people do so, then everyone will become comfortable with it, and you’ll see the percentage of people wearing masks skyrocket.
A couple of months ago I wrote a letter to a certain magazine asking them to stop putting in pictures of rebbeshe tishen. Instead of printing my letter, they printed another letter warning people that it’s assur to give in tzitzos to a goyishe dry cleaners. I found that very ironic (I would agree that it might be assur to give tzitzos to a goyishe dry cleaners owner that read their magazine)
To answer the question, it depends on what kind of people are currently testing themselves. A New York Post article claims that per capita, white liberal areas in Manhattan test three times as much as white middle class areas in South Brooklyn, and they use anecdotal evidence to show that the Manhattanites are basically being frivolous about their testing while South Brooklynites only test themselves when they’re sick. If this is true about Boro Park and Midwood too, then it would make sense to test more nonsick people in our neighborhoods to reach the same ratio of well people frivolously testing to sick people testing that white liberals have.
If however, there is no deficit of regular well people in our community testing, then encouraging more testing just to artificially lower our rates can potentially be dangerous in many ways. On the other hand, this egregious lockdown on our neighborhoods, which is horrible on every level, makes me want to say that anything should be done to lower our numbers.
There is another concern that people might have, that if we all test, even if the positivity rate goes down, the number of positive people will inevitably go up, and the government/media will decide to drop the current metric and begin using number of positives as a new metric. I personally was nervous about this happening, but I’m beginning to think that De Blasio and Cuomo will have to explain to everyone in two weeks from now how their lockdowns are very successful yada yada yada, and how the positivity rates are down all because of their decisions yada yada yada so they’ll look for any number that’s good news.
Yechi Hamelech, my thoughts exactly!!
What about the anti semite Henry Ford?? Was he ever arrested??? And Keneddy? And Malcolm X????? And Obama?! What about Rosa Parks? What about O’Connor?? What about? What about? What about??
STOP WITH THE WHAT ABOUTS!!!!!
Wouldn’t it be similar to a father who refuses to מל or פודה his son?
Elder care is for a different thread. If I read it right, the nursing home industry will come to a screeching halt. But I didnt read that section thoroughly. What do you mean by benefit? You mean the frum people involved in the industry or frum seniors?
What’s behind your campaign, jojo? To make someone uncomfortable getting critical care from a hospital? B”h our community is very healthy and 1 of the reasons is because we go to hospitals and doctors when we need to. Unlike other groups. You have a problem with that?
“The Biden campaign has so far provided few specifics as to where all this money would come from. But a senior campaign official told reporters a Biden administration would take aim at so-called like-kind exchanges, which allow investors to defer paying taxes on the sale of commercial real estate if the capital gains are reinvested in another property. The official also said they would prevent investors with incomes over $400,000 from using real estate losses to lower their income tax bills.” – CNBC
I should correct myself that the tax credit is 50% of childcare expenses or 666/month, whichever is smaller. (Medium.com)
1 so you’re saying that frum people are in kollel making 20k or they’re Execs making 200k. No one in between?
If this will help anybody, I heard there’s a yeshiva open in the Poconos with 200+ ey guysJuly 23, 2020 9:24 am at 9:24 am in reply to: Why does the government give benefits to kollel yungerleit? #1885831
I think my word choice was important as I wanted to clearly distinguish between general welfare recipients who probably aren’t happy with their situation and kollel yungerleit who basically planned their financial situation to be this way, more or less. (Which i value). I guess the language I used is similar to what people see on Antisemitic facebook posts so that triggered ppl , but that wasn’t my intention.
This question comes up in regards to slavery. We all, no matter how much we would like to think otherwise, consider slavery abhorrent. The Torah does not. These questions began to rise with Moses Mendelssohn and German Jewry, so I think R Hirsch deals with this subject thoroughly.July 23, 2020 12:27 am at 12:27 am in reply to: Why does the government give benefits to kollel yungerleit? #1885788
Thanks guys for your input. I didn’t mean for people to become defensive about this topic; I just wanted to see what the Coffee Room consensus is on these questions. It looks like there are three schools of thought:
(a) Perhaps from a general political viewpoint kollel people are less deserving of welfare than general recipients, however, if I were President (@commonsaychel sorry don’t want to be in Congress after all, despite syag’s contention that i already began running a campaign) I should still support the system because it spiritually benefits my people and perhaps enriches the entire country. I hear. I have some issues with this, but I actually get it.
(b) perhaps kollel yungerleit are theoretically less deserving than the General Welfare Recipients but The government should never make qualifiers on who is eligible for entitlements. This is the Democratic Party’s position. However the Liberals are just saying that there is no need to make work requirements because they believe that having a social net does not deter people from working. And this may be true in the general world and the post-kollel frum world. But Kollel families are different, and this is based on anecdotal evidence, but it seems like many people stay in kollel because they have medicaid and snap. I’ve heard of a few people that left kollel and began a career when they got disenrolled from Medicaid.
(c) kollel yungerleit are just as deserving as General Welfare Recipients. I would say that this is probably true of many (ie the wives have middle to high income jobs). But IF there’s a substantial subgroup of kollel yungerleit that is disincentivized to be employed because of their welfare, then that’s a structural problem with welfare. And then we would have to get down to the nitty gritty of this and make a new thread “empirical data…” but i don’t think anybody’s interested.
(D) NOYB apparently believes that receiving welfare should be like receiving a prize in 4th grade – you deserve it if you’re “good”. 1 apparently believes in some twisted form of Keynesian economics. And Syag believes that I’m moronic, disgusting and definitely a nonkollel person for the sin of writing that kollel yungerleit are mosser nefesh to go through unbearable financial lachatz so they can learn as long as is physically possible (“deliberately poor as a lifestyle”). What made you think I don’t value that??? Because I don’t think the right venue for that is taxpayer aid??? I 100% value a kollel life over American hedonism /chasing after money. would it make you happier if from now own I use more yeshivish language? Sad.
(e) @n0mesorah. I was initially under the assumption that federal aid for education is a poverty reduction program that helps poor people get good careers. After doing some research, it seems like you’re right that all the federal government wants is postsecondary education l’sheim postsecondary education and the Pell grants have nothing to do with helping peoples’ careers.
How did the OP come to the conclusion that Socialism causes people to go otd. One can argue that capitalism made people OTD in the United States.
Why is this even a thread? Our president just changed his hair color from orange to grey and this is what you’re talkong about???!!
Yes!!! We can lower traffic deaths by transitioning to public transportation and/or driverless cars. Let’s start having this important discussion.
1.5m ppl died.
Anonynous Jew, you’re referring to the cause of secession. The top 5 reasons for the actual war was lincolns 1. Blood 2. Thirsty 3. War 4. Mongering 5. Decision to resupply fort sumter instead of abandoning it like he promised to the peace loving north.
So I heard they’re transferring her to jail in nyc. Ha ha! They didn’t fool us the first time.
Dmb, no one is ever offended by a statue. They are offended by what the statue represents. The statue on that bridge in Prague (thank you Ubiqituin for reminding me of it) is inherently offensive; besides that, I don’t think there is too much art which I’m offended by besides for some Modern anti moral art. If you choose to be offended by a statue of Robert Lee that’s your prerogative but I don’t think I would. That being said, I think we as a people don’t have such an inferiority complex so we cannot relate.
The following is an excerpt from traveler Salomon de Rothschild’s 1861 letters:
“I’ll come back later to the “slavery” question, which was the first pretext for secession, but which was just a pretext and is now secondary. The true reason which impelled the Southern states to secede is the question of tariffs. The South is simply a producer and consumer; the West and the North, and especially the East, are almost entirely manufacturers, but they need strong protection. The South could supply itself with all necessary items in Europe, at prices from twenty-five to forty percent lower than what they have been paying up to now. It contends that these duties do it no good and that the money goes back into the pockets of the Northern manufacturers. Therefore it wants to escape from this tax. The suppression of, or even a strong reduction in, these duties would completely ruin the eastern states of New Jersey and Pennsylvania, which could not compete with the cheap prices attained by England and even by France. Thousands of men would find themselves unemployed and would therefore threaten the well-being and the very existence not only of their employers, but even of the merchants and the producers in those areas, leading to an imminent danger of social revolution, which the North must avoid at all costs.”July 1, 2020 12:52 am at 12:52 am in reply to: Frum non profit organizations disclosing financials. #1878315
I personally don’t care how much the exexutives earn. I do appreciate tzedakos such as Kupath Ezra in Monsey which just gave out a 4 page mailer full of stats. It makes me more comfortable giving tzedakah to those kind of organizations. What does bother me however is that I perceive a lack of transparency or official system regarding who the recipients are. For example, are the tzedakos that help families of incarcerated individuals helping all people including the ones in jail for blue collar crimes (a specific example that happened comes to mind that cannot be mentioned on this site) or do they just help people that are in jail for defrauding the government or banks. Do chareidi tzedakos help MOs? Stats would be helpful for this.
@biden and @joseph, please don’t insult hardworking people who are careful with their money and who want to maximize the impact of their tzedakah by giving to the right organizations. The sole fact that a certain tzedakah is popular with the tzibbur won’t make me automatically give up any reservations I may have with it, especially when they don’t bother to share basic financial information.
“Since you are a resident of the district then you can do something ”
Halevai. Political askanus in this district is extremely centralized and there’s really nothing a regular person can do.
“besides complaining in a forum where most people are not members of the district and cant do anything to help you.”
I wasn’t complaining. More like seeking information about a topic which askonim in this district like to keep under wraps.
I’m assuming you’re referring to Jim Crow not Slavery. The only difference between the north and south is that the south made it very difficult for blacks to vote and weren’t allowed to use the same water fountain. Other than that, whites in both areas made it difficult for Blacks to be upwardly mobile, using redlining and, yes, also using segregation (there is a old achool building thats a National Landmark in Hillburn, NY near Monsey, because that district didn’t desegregate until 1943).
Lower tuition: i live in this district, why do you ask?
Add the words “congressional district” to the title.
Ooops, maybe the mods can change it.
It wasn’t just in the south. I think there’s a lot of truth behind what the Conservatives say, that what the North did with its “de facto” segregation and general oppression was just as bad as what the south did dejure.
Oy vey Joseph, you’re not allowed to talk about that!
Really? Is there affirmative action in housing? In schools (not counting higher education)? In the vast majority of businesses? In corporate boards? You can be upset about affirmative action without needing to exaggerate it.
Joseph, I don’t think your portrayal of American Jewish history is entirely accurate. Regardless, I am unconvinced that intergenerational wealth or lack thereof is a primary factor for the current socioeconomic status of a group. Even if a Black kid grows up in complete poverty, he still can get federal aid to get a college degree. If he doesn’t want to borrow, he can go to the army and get free college from there. (Something which many Blacks do).
However, historic oppression may be an important factor for the current sociological behavior of a group. There’s no doubt in my mind that thousands of years of being treated differently has created certain unique behaviors in Jews, and it would follow that thousands of years of being treated as racially inferior have created certain unique behaviors in Blacks. J.D. Vance discusses in his book about his family in Appalachia that the White people in Kentucky and Southern Ohio are suffering from the same exact hopelessness and complexes that Blacks are suffering from.
BTW, I think you would find the Moynihan Report interesting as it was written by a sociologist trying to uncover the factors of Black dysfunctionality before sociology was taken over by victomologists that believe that one can never blame the victim. Moynihan tries to find the source of the problem and he does a good job going through all possible reasons. (Although he does ignore how Blacks behaved in their native Africa [I could lose my job over thia but I’m referring to the s word] vs other populations, something which historians have ignored for the past century)
Btw, on an optimistic note and also because I’m shocked that I have never seen such a statistic before, did you know that 52% of Harlem children go to charter schools that gives them a much better chance of upward mobility?
I don’t think it’s correct to compare the Black experience with ours. Jews that immigrated up to the 20s had to sign affidavits that they have jobs waiting for them and that they also had communal social nets including people that would vouch for them when they arrived. The Hungarian Jews that arrived after the holocaust, in addition to the above, received reparations from the Germans, unlike Blacks who are still waiting for their 40 acres and a mule.
Regarding the moetzes: You are probably right. I was hoping that wasn’t the case since I was upset by the lawsuit.
Regarding the other camps: The reason they are not fighting it is (a) they have no chances of winning (b) they acknowledge that the Governor has to make all these decisions based on many factors that many on this site are refusing to consider, and they agree with the governor that there’s no wrong decision. I am tired of the dumb “if this is allowed, why isn’t this allowed” arguments. Most sane people understand that there are different risks unique to every situation and if the Goyishe lobby respects the difficult situation that the Governor was in then good for them.
Regarding the other ministers – that was different. I thought they were wrong and acting like cavemen, however they weren’t saying that their blood was redder than everyone elses, to borrow secular Israel’s line for שביון בנטל.
Regarding if the AJCO will prevail: I don’t care if they would. We’ve had a messed up supreme court make messed up case law based on messed up legislation from a messed up Congress. The gap between what’s right and what’s legal is so wide.
You know what, maybe I’m wrong. Is agudah asking for Jewish camps to open or all camps?
I’m not the only one here that listens to WBAI?
We defended a guy in Florida who murdered a cop so we do operate that way. I still think that Hall’s comment is irrelevant. Just because someone is highly emotional and biased against Law Enforcement in his particular community doesn’t mean that he cannot comprehend with an outsiders view how Law Enforcemebt interacts with other communities.
Mr. Tuition, a mashal, imagine if a Jew cut a line at wherever, and when people start giving him dirty looks he replied oh as an Orthodox Jew I cut the line as a “religious right”, what do you think would happen?
“which is a mess that continues to grow” – It’s dichotomous to say that a growing mess is caused by a decreasing racism.
It’s true that there are lingering effects of past discrimination and that vicious cycles of poverty exist. That being said, it’s very difficult to argue that it’s a primary factor in today’s racial disparities. From 1950 to today, America has become far less racist by banning segregation, redlining and workplace discrimination, yet Blacks are worse off today with both the wealth gap and the income gap widening. In addition, other ethinic groups have started off with no capital in their communities and still achieved equity.
I do agree with you if you’re talking about the sociological effects that past racism had on the hopelessness and inferiority complex within the Black community.
Was the Agudah advised before their lawsuit by the moetzes? Isn’t it cognizant of the fact that it’s promoting anti-Semitic stereotypes that there are two sets of rules, one for us and one for everybody else? And another stereotype that says we Jews can get away with anything by crying religion?
Not understanding what you mean by centralized
That’s not factual, but that’s what the anti semites in my area say. They also think that rluipa means that if you’re religious you can build whatever you want. All Rluipa really says is that a town cannot make it excessively difficult to build a shul.June 25, 2020 1:02 am at 1:02 am in reply to: H-a-s-h-e-m H-e-l-p M-e F-i-n-d A S-h-i-d-d-u-c-h-!-! #1876307
I think a disturbance just happened in the time-space continuum.
My theoretical question just became למעשה. Would you agree with the Change.org petition to cancel the infamous french kibg Louis who directed the שריפת התלמוד and rename St Louis, Missouri?
Of course what we both are not saying out loud is that frum people are terrible voters and if Thomas Jefferson or any of the other founding fathers saw us, they would exclude us from voting. So this conversation is a non starter.
And, yes. I would love to live in the utopian world you described. Seriously.
(3) I feel like that’s a false dichotomy. I think askanim should “educate” the masses on who is running; they shouldn’t be silent but neither should they be acting like a bunch of Mafioso. For example, There should be ads allowed from all candidates on our platforms, our media should interview all candidates, and we should have op-eds analyzing the candidates. On (2) we like comparing ourselves to blacks. ( And I am made to feel like an Uncle Tom every time I vote independently). However, in all white areas besides Urban or Appalachia the numbers are on average 60/40. So while everyone has their biases, most demographic areas in America are intelligent enough that every election cycle it looks a little different because individuals are making individual decisions. (1) i didn’t get what your’e saying. Regardless, i didn’t mean to emphasize on what the askonim are receiving in exchange for the votes. I just meant this whole idea of “delivering the votes” sounds like something out of Tammany Hall.
I don’t know if this is applicable in Brooklyn, but We have too much of a bloc vote, especially in the suburbs: (1) the optics of a corrupt deal between 5 unknown askanim and a politician (“i could get you 20k votes if you just give me xyz”) is a chillul hashem. (2) The fact that many of us have no idea what kind of people we’re voting for and just vote for whatever the askonim say gives us a bad name. (3) a bloc vote automatically creates an anti-Orthodox backlash; if 40% of voters will vote with A no matter what, B has no option but to incite the other 60% to vote in a block; in a perfect world, we would encourage all politicians running to get as much frum votes as possible and we would encourage all frum voters to vote intelligently.
The World Street Journal has an article with a well balanced view of police brutality. It turns out that in some categories there are serious issues (aggressiveness, nonlethal force), with less of a disparity in officer shootings.
Am I the only one that sees a connection between whites “accidentally” killing their slaves during “moderate corrections” in 1860 and the white descendants who are now police offers (modern day slave overseers) executing Blacks for drunk driving?