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And “bez din” is just a way of pronouncing. What about people who say the name “Aharon” as “Ahrin” or “Yaakov” as “Yankiv”? It’s yeshivish-speak.
Gmar chasima tova makes sense… you’re wishing the other person that the final sealing of his din for this year should be good.
Tomer Devorah is probably too modern for you.
You’ve got to include all the alter egos:)
Wikipedia says that you’re greeting both the body and the soul, but there’s no source… could be sketchy.
apushutayid- there are parents of boys who insist on meeting the girl before their son meets her. I don’t think it’s a common thing, but it happens.
My friend’s sister once ended up meeting two sets of parents in the same week. She had dated a boy 5 or 6 times and met his parents, but the shidduch didn’t work out. A few days later, a boy said yes, but his parents wanted to meet her before she went out with their son. So she met his parents.. B’H that shidduch worked out, and they are married with a baby.
From what I understand, parents of the boy usually meet the girl when they’re basically ready to get engaged. But that’s only on hearsay, based on what happened with my friends.
You certainly cannot just “hope” the therapy worked.
“That’s life”
“Get over it”
“Don’t be scared/nervous/sad/etc.”
“Be positive”
Basically, anything that tells you to easily overcome your emotions.
I know that I’m not answering your question, since I have chosen not to update to Windows 10 thus far.
I just want to point out that if you do, you should read the Privacy Policy very carefully, including the fine print- and make sure you do your research first. Apparently Windows 10 collects data about you the same way that Google does. I’m not saying that it’s a bad idea, just that you should look into it more first.
(I guess that’s what you’re doing here… but maybe check up from some more reliable sources.)
Joseph
I was going to ask Syag’s question in a different way
Are you of the belief that a man’s job is to sit and learn all day? Or do you believe that the husband should be working to support his family?
If the former, where, exactly, do you think the money is coming from?
If the latter, then maybe your position makes more sense, though I still strongly disagree with it.
The prevailing position in the yeshivish world nowadays is that the wife should work to support her learning husband. In that scenario, while the wife is still the one who raises the children, the husband needs to contribute a lot more, just for the sake of practicality.
Sam2- that would be my approach.
The thing is, I am not saying that I would not cook… in fact, quite the opposite. I have always had this idea in my mind that when I got engaged, I would ask my future mother-in-law to show me how to make the foods that my chosson liked, in the way he liked. Of course I would want to make my husband happy!
I just consider it demeaning to evaluate my cooking skills as a prerequisite for marriage.
Sam2- well said.
Syag- if you read my previous posts, that’s been my point the whole time.
I don’t think that anything I said is so outrageously feministic.
(Ok, maybe my point about “only a man would say that” was… take that back.)
Another reason for the high divorce rate is men who have a huge sense of entitlement and don’t appreciate their wives.
Oh, and you don’t think that you have to thank your wife (or whoever does your cooking) for cooking for you?
old man- well said.
Let’s say that vaccines don’t work, and people use them anyway. The potential negatives are what they are, and have no scientific basis to them; any evidence on the subject was proven to have been falsified. Anyway, they seem to affect an overwhelming MINORITY of the population.
Let’s go back to a world pre-vaccines. People DIED left, right, and center of measles, mumps, rubella, small pox, and all sorts of other diseases. So assuming that enough people don’t get vaccinations- we are talking about people’s lives.
Even if someone doesn’t want to vaccinate for his own personal reasons, what gives him the right to potentially infect hundreds of other people? Even with a vaccine, people with compromised immune systems can ?”? still acquire these diseases.
Not to vaccinate is purely selfish, in my opinion. Baryochai- that is a great practice of medicine; if we all took it on, all babies would be healthy, of course.
I hope that people don’t attack me for this, since I don’t know the details, but I was told that there was a major ????? in ???? over whether you’re allowed to put words from ??”? and such to tunes. The consensus was that you can only if it increases ???? ????.
Sadly, I don’t think that a large percentage of today’s “Jewish” music makes the grade.
Very easy way to vindicate yourself- by putting down mine as outrageous.
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Interesting question, rational Jew… I don’t have an answer for you, but I have a feeling that it depends on the person and how musically attuned he/she is.
The one thing I have read, though, is that soldiers in the past would listen to loud, raucous music before going to war, to work themselves into a rage and put them in a mindset to kill.
I also read in the biography of R’ Shlomo Freifeld ??”? about a ????? of his who was mourning the death of a certain non-Jewish singer. R’ Shlomo asked the ????? to bring over a record from the singer. He listened to a few songs, and then he said, “Now I understand why this singer is so popular. You should know that it’s disturbed music, the symbol of a generation in turmoil.”
Music has a great and subtle power.
zogt_besser, I haven’t been in the CR long enough to know- but I would tend to bet that you’re male.
“That’s the way it’s supposed to be” – only a man would say that.
And yes, I have been taught how to cook- but I don’t enjoy it all that much. As a girl who is hoping to get married, obviously I would plan to cook for my husband, and try to make food the way he likes. I just resent the implication that it is my duty to do so, and my future husband is entitled to expect that I do.
For men/boys who are writing in here, how often do you thank your wife/mother for cooking meals for you? To me, gratitude symbolizes the opposite of entitlement. If a man is grateful for his wife’s cooking, as opposed to having the attitude of ???? ??, it completely changes the situation.
Maybe try Be’er Miriam. I know someone who got in there last year after the school year had already started. I have a cousin who went there, and her sister went to Sharfman’s- I don’t know how similar they are, but maybe somewhat in the same ballpark.
And my parents would be absolutely thrilled! I have a friend whose parents forced her to have a wedding in an extremely fancy and pricey hall, just as a show for her father’s business contacts. My parents are low-key and would love to make a small wedding.
I don’t know, it seems to me that the standards we have nowadays for weddings are outlandish. Why is it necessary to make a wedding with a minimum of 400 people? Why must we make our weddings in halls whose costs fly through the roof?
Why does every event surrounding a wedding- l’chaim, vort, Shabbos kallah, aufruf, Sheva Brachos- have to be so elaborate and expensive?
Obviously, when I get married, I’m going to want my simcha to be on par with everyone else’s… but, you know what? As I have attended more and more of my friends’ simchos, I have been mentally keeping track of what costs I think are unnecessary and can be cut out. I would keep a wedding small, more intimate, and more focused on the simcha rather than the accoutrements.
Sam2- a lot of people in the yeshivish community would probably say that once someone becomes a “Gadol,” it’s impossible to ever disagree with them. In fact, many would cry “?? ???? ?? ???? ??? ????? ?? ???? ?????” – “????? ???? ?? ?? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???? ????”.
From the way I phrased that, obviously my opinion differs, but that’s what many in the community would say.
RebbYidd23- exactly.
I don’t object to the idea that women generally do the cooking and take care of other domestic responsibilities. What offends me is the belief that it is a woman’s DUTY to do such a thing, and not a man’s. (Read Rebbetzin Heller’s “Our Bodies, Our Souls” for an opinion on that sexist view.)
Torah613Torah- I agree with you that marriage is about doing what works for your relationship. In fact, that’s exactly my point: every husband and wife share responsibilities in a marriage based on what works for them, and obviously, there are some responsibilities that a woman generally takes while others that a man usually does, but there are no blanket rules. To write that “it is a woman’s duty to take out the garbage” – or, in fact, to take care of any given thing in a marriage – to me is demanding, sexist, entitled, and unmentschlich.
My father routinely takes out the garbage, does laundry, does shopping for Shabbos, cleans up, and does a bunch of other “domestic” duties- and he does not view it as “helping out sometimes.” He does it because he is a mentch.
He has also done plenty of cooking over the years- he actually taught my mother how to cook when they first got married.
I find some of the comments on this post to be very offensive to women. I am not a feminist, but when someone says that taking out the garbage is part of a wife’s domestic duties, that is completely crossing the line.
Liking teddy bears and stuffed animals has nothing to do with age- it has largely to do with personality. I’m more of the sentimental sort, so I have a number of bean bag pillows and assorted stuffed animals in my room.
The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
To even suggest that COOKING should be a part of a shidduch, that is. A woman’s value doesn’t lie in her cooking-and if a man reduces her to that, shame on him!
Not fair!
There are definitely boys like that out there; they’re just becoming harder and harder to find. Chofetz Chaim, Ner Yisroel, and Torah Vodaas definitely do have boys like that.
I think that’s true.
A lot of the niggunim used by gedolim of yesteryear during the Yomim Noraim came from Russian bar songs and the like.
Conversely, I have heard renditions of Shwekey’s “Im Eshkachaich” and other such songs which have been mangled so badly that they don’t sound Jewish at all, except for the words.
scared driver delight- or you could say ??? ?????, no?
Torah613Torah- my parents would vehemently disagree with you. They believe that if someone is ready to get married, it should mean that they are ready to live independently. That has always been my understanding of marriage.
Maybe I’m wrong, though- I have many friends who are married but are as independent as they were in 9th grade. Their mommies still take care of them (and their babies) the same way…
Curiosity, in the yeshivish world, 19 is considered a normal age to get married- young, but normal.
I started dating at 19 1/2 when I was a full year back from seminary. At that point, I had a full year of college and full-time work experience under my belt. I was young, but not too young to have an understanding of the world and an idea of what I wanted out of life.
$10-$15
The Young Israel of Bedford Bay charges $10. Shulamis used to charge $15.
Actually, when you contract the words “??? ???,” it’s not difficult to hear how the “m” could have become an “n.” It’s much more difficult to say “yomtif” than “yontif.” There are people who do say “yomtif,” but it’s not so common because it’s harder on the mouth.
By the way, there are examples of words in the English language that are actually written the way they are to make pronunciation easier. For example, the word “irresponsible” is not “inresponsible” because it’s harder to say. Same for “immobilize” and the like. Obviously ???? ??? isn’t going to have exceptions like that (or at least I think not-correct me if I’m wrong), but you could understand why words change. (Shaleshudis is the same thing- it’s not easy to say “??? ??????,” especially as Americans who pronounce everything ??????, when most Hebrew words are ?????.)
Thanks Joseph. I think I found my answer in an old thread- Young Israel of Bedford Bay or Yeled V’Yalda during the year (they don’t have visitor passes for the summer).
😉 That’s where discussions differ from arguments. they’re not really personal, because they are about the topic at hand and not “I’m right, you’re wrong.”
So this is a discussion. Nothing personal:)
As for the “m,” “n” is close enough;)
skripka- awful that the boy would say that to the shadchan, even more awful that the shadchan would repeat it.