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Don’t forget, you will all have to give Din V’checben after meah v’esrim shana in the Beis Din Shel Maaila.
umm, who cares who the mods are? is this site so important in the grand scheme of things?
sjs, You’re liberal watered-down Judaism in name only (JINO) view is simply incorrect.
Chacham: How’d u figure out your #?
BTW I have a tech problem w/YW. When I post to the main site (not the coffee room) it doesn’t show my screen name under my comment. Instead it says “Anonymous.” mariner mentioned he has the same problem.
I think it happens to whoever registered their screen name in the coffee room – the screen name appears on comments in the coffee room, but says Anonymous on the main site.
If someone registers a screen name on the main site, it shows up there as well as in the coffee room.
How about a banner advertisement on the front page of YW for the Coffee Room, since most reader of the main site overlook the Coffee Room link and don’t even know about it??
646: Cause you are a lot more likely to err than a Rav is.
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So has everyone here followed the Shulchan Orach and financially supports someone who has dedicated his life to studying Torah?
SJS, There can be many approaches, but depending on who is involved what you suggest is one possible way.
To support one another in the vital, and difficult, area of maintaining tznius.
“But just because someone does not drive to shul on shabbos doesnt make them a better Jew than someone who does.”
That is laughable. Someone who drives to shul on Shabbos is oiver Shabbos M’daraisa.
Jent is exactly correct. A Reform “rabbi” (or a so-called “orthodox” one that talks like a reformer) has NO validity. Sorry to have to say it so bluntly, but it is as simple as that.
000646, I strongly suggest you go do some introspection. What you are stating is simply what one who c’v expect to hear from a reform “rabbi”.
zalmy, puleaze. Mischaracterizing others comments will get you nowhere.
The bottom line is anyone who values Torah values those who learn Torah and will fulfill their obligation to monetarily support Torah.
Anything else is simply looking for excuses. Be honest with yourself, and come out of denial.
(I really pity the comment above that said the Yissacher/Zevulun relationship is only applicable to those two tribes.)
The direct transliteration of “heimish” is familial.
I get goosebumps seeing all the greatness amongst yidden seeking to improve their middos and halacha.
The Rabbonim are not keen on that. And I’d trust the Rabbonim a lot faster than any laymen.
“But there’s more to life than middos and learning”
Actually, those are the two ikkurs in life.
Every working Jew should adopt a Yissoschor/Zevulin relationship, and adopt a Kollel Yungerman as a partner who he should support — thereby fulfilling ones obligation to learn (and support) Torah.
Our nation could not stand without our Kollel chevra.
dont have internet – lol, I think CVS, and possibly some other stores, have age restrictions on minors receiving discounts; how old are you?
Cuz I’m the family bchor.
Why always (subtle) attacks against other individuals?
Has there been any discussion regarding the safety issue (or lack thereof) of having them on the road?
More topics (before they disappear into the abyss).
Atheism, the Reform, and Conservatives are incompatible with Judaism and the Torah.
That was limited to a certain time and place. A small window in Jewish history.
You think the kollelim really care about this debate?? Surprise, they do not. Many choshuve, ehrilcha yidden will continue funding them, economic crisis or not, and they will outlast all of you cynics.
You are correct. You should properly be placed in the hardheaded category with the “left or bust” fellows. (But then again, no one would expect you or those on the other side of the spectrum to admit as much.)
But back to the original point here… no one, I repeat no one, would agree you can pick a Rabbi based upon what answer you are seeking e.g. to ask the question to the Rabbi you know is meikel, and next time pick another Rabbi is who meikel on another issue.
Your own mashal disproves your point. Also, all your examples disprove your point, as they all are applicable ad hayom hazeh.
The takana of Rabbeinu Gershom is as valid today, as when Rebbeinu Gershom issued it. Same about the prohibitions with speaking to women.
32November 12, 2008 6:00 am at 6:00 am in reply to: Tenor of Discussion on YWN: When Discussions Become Acrimonious #625714
A problem I foresee, is that unless a responder refutes such sacrilege thoughts in very strong language, an observer to the conversation may think that the two opposing viewpoints are of equal stature.
Taliban pleased with Obama victory, and urges Obama to end Bush’s foreign policies
The message posted on a Web site used by the Taliban claimed Obama’s victory “reveals the collective willingness of American people not to continue the current despicable and anti-human wars in Afghanistan and Iraq,” SITE Intelligence Group said.
The authors claimed that Obama had promised to end Bush’s policies pledging to “recover the dwindling American economy and find a niche in the comity of nations.”
But while Obama has said he intends to draw down U.S. troops levels in Iraq, he has repeatedly called for an increase in troops in Afghanistan to combat a resurgence of the Taliban and al-Qaida.
The president-elect has also backed U.S. military strikes in the lawless and rugged border region of Pakistan, which the U.S. says has become a safe haven for extremists carrying out attacks in Afghanistan.
In Washington, the Obama transition team declined to comment.November 12, 2008 4:38 am at 4:38 am in reply to: Tenor of Discussion on YWN: When Discussions Become Acrimonious #625711
I can only try:
What about the real concern that they may put anti-Torah ideas into an innocent readers head?
Don’t we need to protest such a public (brazen?) display of wrongheaded anti-Torah ideas, lest another reader think it is an acceptable view?
I can only try:
I moved your message to the thread under discussion.
ThanksNovember 12, 2008 4:33 am at 4:33 am in reply to: Tenor of Discussion on YWN: When Discussions Become Acrimonious #625709
Moving the message from the old thread to here (to keep it in one place):
From “I can only try”:
The Big One-
“jewishabortionist02” would be an inflamatory screen name, no two ways about it. It would be extremely difficult to be melamed zchus for such a name.
I have friends (some balei tshuva, some not) who believe abortion is OK.
I certainly let them know that that is lo kihalocha, but I do not cut off my association with them.
I have one friend who relies on an eiruv that I do not, and at my request he does not carry when he comes to us on Shabbos.
The bottom line is I don’t have all the answers as to how to deal with different people (I asked Rav Feivel Cohen a shaila how to approach the Shabbos guest).
The “abortion” question you posed is a lot more black-and-white than the “red clothing” question, and an aborted child is much more of a tragedy than the wearing of red clothing.
To answer “What would the appropriate response be in your view?” – the first time, I would reply that is was kneged halacha, and show where.
If the person kept insisting that they were right, then there are a few choices: 1) Continue to argue, and try to bring additional rayos. 2) Decide that continued discussion won’t change the person’s mind and end the topic. 3) Tell the person that they are a <>. 4) Etc.
Part of chanoch lenar al pi darko is taking the best approach – factoring in the kavono and hashkofo of the other person, and in public (such as these threads) how your statements will affect and be percieved by others.
There have been people here who identified themselves as baalei tshuva, geirim and yesomim. We also don’t know who may be “teetering” and turned off by a blast of what they perceive as harsh, intolerant rhetoric.
One other factor is that unlike spoken conversation, these threads are close to ksav asher lo yimachek. Once something is posted it can’t be untyped.
This is not the concise answer you probably requested, but this is my philosophy when answering others.
Lets try to keep the discussion under the hood of one thread:November 12, 2008 4:29 am at 4:29 am in reply to: Tenor of Discussion on YWN: When Discussions Become Acrimonious #625708
anon for this,
Look at the point more, rather than any specific examples. That is my intent, and I think I was fairly clear in making it.
…actually this is the wrong thread for such a serious discussion…
I opened a new thread for this, and hopefully the moderator will be kind enough to post it soon (and we can discuss it there, rather than here.)
No intent to be acidic, but if a user named jewishabortionist02 came by and sincerely and earnestly expressed his modern ideas and philosophies in a respectful manner, and was quite adamant about it, that abortion ought to be legal and unimpeded by any Rabbis through the 9th month, and comes not seeking to be convinced otherwise but to rather express his ideas as equal to the opposing view…
What would the appropriate response be in your view?
[This was Sunday morning in Chicago at his mosque, and he was decked out, man. He had the fez on and the flowing red robes.]
FARRAKHAN: This desire for change is a desire that has intensified in America and throughout the world because of the failure of governments to adequately address the needs of the people under their rule.
[He may have a point there, but he doesn’t know it.]
FARRAKHAN: The only politician, to my knowledge, that came close to having this effect on people was Senator Robert Kennedy in his bid to become president of the United States.
[Now, I remember that. I think Kennedy did captivate the country, but not like JFK. These guys are reliving Camelot here. They’re trying to rebirth Camelot is what’s going on here. Here’s one more bite from Calypso Louis Sunday in his mosque.]
FARRAKHAN: He is a masterful organizer, and in his acceptance speech that night, he said, “We gotta organize block by block.”
FARRAKHAN: I believe President-Elect Obama is going to have to get everyone involved, because the job of helping him is not just with his cabinet, or Congress. The job of helping this nation out of its condition is a responsibility that everyone has something to do about.
[Well, here’s a guy who’s hearing Obama’s message that America is bad. There’s something terribly institutionally wrong with America. We gotta fix it. But Calypso Louis, I would ask you to go back and look at the tape. ‘Cause when Obama told everybody in that crowd, the hordes, that it was going to take sacrifice on the part of everybody, the people in that crowd got kind of perplexed. There were looks the puzzlement on their faces, and they said, “What is this ‘we,’ bro? I didn’t think ‘we’ were going to be doing any of the sacrificing.” You could read that on their faces.]
Y.W.Editor should clarify this IP address situation before things get out of hand here.
Sarah, a long-time poster (and on the right to boot), clearly is not gmab. That is obvious.
gmab: How did you get your access restored here?
P.S. I see sammyjoe is back posting too, so there must be some kind of mistake.
Give me a break, He said that in jest.
The obvious point is that being called a kana’i is a high honor. It is absolutely hilarious when the left-wingers (religiously) start yelling “kana’i” at someone actually thinking of it as a criticism of some sort, when in fact it is one of the most honorable titles a Yid could obtain for himself.
You miss out on a MAJOR Zchus by not giving to Kollel. Torah learning is what is keeping us alive. I’m sorry to hear this. Hopefully you will see the err in your ways soon.
Okay, YWN Anonymous anyone? We can all help each other out…
1) Should we not emulate our Rabbonim? Should we not stand up for Kavod HaTorah the same way they do?
2) I most certainly appreciate and respect your background. That being said, I think that a good number of the regular posters here are not what you call trolls, but rather richtige krumkeit. They earnestly believe that (like someone above pointed out) serious tznius observance is ‘talibanization’. They honestly hold that the Torah can be bent and shaped to current political trends. And yes they call themselves orthodox and in their minds really hold themselves to so be.
3) And many of these posters have a “higher education” and use this to mislead their readers in a “educated” manner that is very subtle and sometimes effective in its misleading abilities. If you tell a lie enough times, people (sometimes) will start believing it.
Our greatest Rabbonim have responded to such attacks on the Torah with a fiery bren, that it would make most of the posts here responding to these attackers seem quite lame.
Now with Rosh Hashanah around the corner, let us all make a new year’s commitment to reduce our time spent here (and use it productively)!
cantor: So you resorted to financial extortion to maintain your place in that Yeshiva?