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ubiquitinParticipantubiquitinParticipant
“As far as I know there aren’t any halachic “cons” to wearing blue strings”
Thus conclusively demonstrating that the movie is in fact one sided.
October 4, 2018 1:12 pm at 1:12 pm in reply to: President Donald Trump, Oheiv Yisroel Par Excellence #1598652ubiquitinParticipantAvi
Also = חצי מנה פלאפלubiquitinParticipantMillhouse are you trolling?
You are just making this up as you go along.
Aren’t you at least curious where all those chickens go? You first say “taken somewhere” now “taken indoors”
There’s no need to guess. Ask and also think. Years past i did it in front of munkatch on 47 st and 14th ave. I’m not sure where you think they went. Not into munkatch that’s for sure. I havent been to 770 though I doubt it gets converted into a shlacht hauz pre Yom kippur.ubiquitinParticipantR’ Moshe sort of makes that argument and says if 3 million people live in a square mil it is a reshus harabim.
Though note there isn’t some chazal that says the 600k rule. Rashi says it and it isn’t clear where he got it from. Of course Rashi is broad enough for us to rely on. But it isn’t like it’s an absolute limud of learning 600k from the midbar, it’s a big enough chiddush in of itself we can’t really stretch the chidush much further
ubiquitinParticipant“but neither do you see piles of shechted chickens waiting to be dealt with. ”
Um yes you do if you care to look.
As I said you can still see them if you like.
Google is your friend.How long do you think shechted chicken lasts in the sun?
How many times a day are these invisible “regular collections” taking them “somewhere” to be processed? That’s a lot of invisible refrigerated trucks you’re imagining driving around BrooklynSeptember 21, 2018 11:20 am at 11:20 am in reply to: Should pregnant women fast on Yom Kippur? #1595239ubiquitinParticipant“implying that fasting tends to cause women to go into labor”
I’m not quite sure wh yit would have bearing
It isnt just an implication, this is well established and documented (the reason for which is that ADH, a hormone released when the body needs to conserve water as in a fasting state is structurally similar to oxytocin which induces labor)
Medically speaking this isnt generally an issue. People are induced on a literally daily basis for a variety of reasons including the Ob’s convenience if he has a vacation planned next week.
Rabbonim generally oppose inducing preterm labor, for reasons that wouldnt really apply to possibly “inducing” by fasting. There isnt (generally) a sakanah neither to the mother nor childubiquitinParticipant“This is simply not true. There are no such films. These are bags of ordinary garbage, including some dead chickens.”
Herein lies the real problem.
Because of the motives of many (most? all?) of the anti-kapporas protesters correctly identified by akuperma
We are unable to acknowledge nay fault on our end, or any way that we can improve.Amil is making what should otherwise be a normal request “But care for those creatures appropriately and knowledgeably. Clean up your mess,” gets attacked. How on earth is that statement even controversial?
I grant that the “activists” hate us, but have we lost our minds?
As for the garbage the vast majority of chickens end up in the garbage, arguably using them for kapporas is still a use and this isnt baal tashcis particularly if as millhouse points out the cost of processing is more than the demand for the chckens
Bu c’mon why deny it one poster says ” “This is simply not true. There are no such films” There are plenty google it they are freely available to see. (Eg see “Trash Bags Full of Dismembered ‘Kaporos’ Chickens Spill Onto Brooklyn Street”)
how often do you see a fridge at a kaporos center. It was 80 degrees last week. how long do people think the chickens shechted in the morning and sit around all day are still edible. cmon think a little
Just because they are anti-semites doesnt mean we have to stick our heads in the sandSeptember 20, 2018 9:01 pm at 9:01 pm in reply to: Should pregnant women fast on Yom Kippur? #1595020ubiquitinParticipanti’m not sure what the link has to do with anything
As Jospeh points out this is an old sheyla.ubiquitinParticipantJoseph
Humanely means “in a way that shows compassion or benevolence.”
there is no striah between treating animal like animals yet at the same time treating them humanely.ubiquitinParticipant“There is a difference between “Why observe?” and “Why observe on this calendar date rather than the other one?””
while there is a difference, it isnt as great as you imply. and the questions are similar in that they are equally silly.
There is a response from R’ Miller that makes it rounds every independence day about putting up the flag on July 4th. Nobody (as far as I know) has a hava amina to commemorate independence day on its Hebrew date and raise a flag on 17 Tammuz.
This thread isnt about descendants observing Yahrtzeit. Obviously that would be on the date of the Yahrtzeit, and I dont think the OP was askign if family members should observe the yahrtzeit of 9/11 victims.
If there is a role for commemorating 9/11 (again outside of routine yahrtzeit) then it would be on the date it is commemorated. Thus the questions are quite linkedSeptember 13, 2018 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm in reply to: Driving German cars by ” heimish” people. #1590792ubiquitinParticipant“The bottom line is that you are not driving around town in a computer , phone or an asprin. ”
you are right ! those are so much worse people are inviting these amaleki products into their homes and ingesting amaleki products into their bodies ! This is so much worse than just drivign a car
I guess some people just lack the proper sensitivity
ubiquitinParticipantjoseph
“Will you jump up and down dancing and singing ”
You will be pleased to know that as people began singing on R”H I started yelling and throwing things.
It was abominable. right after unesaneh tokef they started singing some marching song they claimed it was a modzitser tune or something but they can’t fool me , you correctly pointed out singing ( certainly such a joyous upbeat tune) has no place on Rosh Hashana and is a modern innovation .
“and/or having a kumzits on Rosh Hashana”
I have been to some shuls (not my current one where all the tunes are upbeat and joyous as befits a King’s coronation) where they broke out in a kumzitz particularly during chamol
ubiquitinParticipantNC
“Yes, thank you. That’s what you, me, and several others have been repeating throughout this thread, ”Can you please point out where youve said that? The mods may have deleted it for whatever reason, I cant find it. I too am in agreement!
In fact youve said the opposite on several occasions. Youve said that the problem is one of simcha, at times that are supposed to be serious eg “There are times when we’re supposed to have simcha, and then there are times like leil slichos.” (unless you translate simcha as frolicking?)
“We aren’t talking about BMG guys going off the derech if they can’t have slichos parties. These are people already into hippie Judaism and it should go without saying ”
two people are using your (excellent) screen name the other one was right I’ll repost in verabtim, :“A scarier trend that isn’t getting as much attention is people not making it to Slichos altogether. I’ve now seen multiple places not be able to get a minyan together for slichos. My slate is not totally clean in this regard so I don’t want to sound too much like I’m getting up on a soap box and yelling at the masses. It’s just a scary thought that decades from now selichos could be one of those things like tikkun chatzos that people “used to be careful to say.””
The only question is is it better if in decades people says selichos is something people “used to be careful to say.””
Or
selcihos is something that never had a guitar(Obviously I’m not saying this applies to all, but as you note it does apply to many)
ubiquitinParticipantJoseph
“Facing opposition in and of itself, does not prove anything.”
Obviously“How about a new trend in Yom Kippur, turning it into a kimzuts of singing, acapella, a choir ”
Ummm that’s no longer new. I’ve davened in a chasidish shtiebel most of my life they dont have a choir per se, but there is a lot more simcha than yeshiva davening I have attended.
Btw you can talk disdainfully of millenials, but you need to realize they are the future. If you lose millennials Judaism is gone in 40 years or so. Luckily the ribbono shel olam assured us that wont happen in spite of your attempt to write them off
Laskern
“We say all selichos without music and all kinnos ”Many “black hat” congregations dont and as far as I know this isn’t controversial (regarding kinnos)
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They need linear translation selichas ”
For many, myself included that isn’t enough. I need a shmooz to set my mood. That too is an inovation.Unommin
“The generations are becoming weaker, ”
This isn’t exactly news, is itubiquitinParticipantJoseph
Nobody is changing Judaism. The normal selcihos minyan I went to was full.NC
“Chassidim didn’t invent nor do they have a patent on simcha.”
No but they too faced opposition for their innovations in Judaism trying to appeal to the masses.” If you start selling out the Torah in the name of making it more engaging, meaningful, fun ”
I agree, though It is quite a stretch to say singing during selichos even with a guitar is “selling out the Torah”laskern
feel free to read through the thread. It really isnt confusing,
ubiquitinParticipantNC
“When did any rabbi in the 18th century claim that Slichos are meant to be a time of simcha?”not hat I know of, but as you may know their was a big machlokes at the time when some tried to add elements of simcha to Judaism when many where feeling empty and that they couldnt connect to the older more “cerebral” yidishkeit..
Obviously not exactly the same, but many today don’t connect to the “Big angry deity that is out to get you unless you really really beg him” now some do, there are public speakers who make a living off thsi brand of Judaism, and that works for them which is great, but to many it doesnt work,
so the question is what to do.
(note I’m not saying that all those (myself included) who attend the more traditional selcihos have this (arguably) childish view of yahadus, but many do and it just doesnt resonate with many anymoreAPY
“…to add meaning to their time in shul.”Exactly! Very well said.
It is critical that What we do religiously has meaning. Just showing up to shul to mumble some selcihos that you dont understand so that your friend doesnt ask where yo uwere last night is not ideal, and arguably bad.טוב מעט תחנונים בכוונה, מהרבות בלא כוונה. sometimes a speech/shmuz does the trick (although this too is an innovation) to others a heartfelt song does itubiquitinParticipant“It seems quite discusting to say the least watching ”
The solution is simple don’t watch . what goes on behind closed doors is far worse than mere hand touching , if you dont see it it doesnt bother you. so don’t watch this either
Joseph
“It’s also disgusting to see people eat pizza with their bare hands without using utensils.”
utensils are chukas akum and assurubiquitinParticipantNeville Chaimberlin
“There are times when we’re supposed to have simcha, and then there are times like leil slichos.”
The 18th century called they want their machlokes back .
“You others aren’t seeing the forest through the trees. :”
that line surprised me , since you have it exactly backwards. I thought you did see the forest when yo u said “A scarier trend that isn’t getting as much attention is people not making it to Slichos altogether”Selichos just doesnt talk to people anymore . Having a shmuz before hand is one innovation to get people inspired, Carlebach style is another while not my cup of tea the question is would you rather “people not making it to Slichos altogether” OR get together and (earnestly) sing hasheveinu. You can say you prefer the former, And I get that. just realize that is what you are saying .
I recall a very similar conversation years ago when tisha ba’v programs became popular. Joseph (not our joseph, but another one) said “how can you skip kinnos printed in the pamphlet, dont you know these were all written by chazal, and are yaharog veal yaavor to skip any of them, whats this innovation of speeches instead of mumbling all of them as was always the minhag”
These programs are now ubiquitous and (as far as I know) uncontroversial .
Granted these “carlebach selcihos” arent quite the same , but the idea of innovation isubiquitinParticipant“I’ll repost for the sake of someone with a drop of honesty and sechel hayashar….”
The problem is sometimes a “drop of seichel” isnt enough, and you need to look deeper.
“You take a peek at those clippings and you get such a feeling of nausea”
No you get a feeling of nausea, others get a feeling of wow look at the thirst so many have to draw close to the Ribono shel Olam
“How many people passed away R””L this year, how would they have liked to grab ANY opportunity to push in ONE MORE earnest Tefillah in time….”
Who are you to say this isnt earnest.?“How would you think the Navi Yirmiyahu would react knowing that his words השיבנו written with such sorrow, such feeling, such holiness, has turned into the songbooks ”
He would be elated! Nearly 3 thousand years later, after all we have been through. People are still trying to follow his message.
” if you don’t know any better, but kindly leave US out of your urges… no need to publicize it.”
did they force you to go?
Then I agree, That’s wrongLook the bottom line is this, not everyone is motivated by ideas of a petty being who if you don’t get real sorry he’ll get you . If you don’t cry and beg then you will be among those “people passed away R””L this year, how would they have liked to grab ANY opportunity to push in ONE MORE earnest Tefillah in time….”
now some are motivated by that, and thats great! some don’t really connect to the words so they first hear a shmooz to inspire them. (I fall in this category) Although this is also a new innovation (granted not as new as instruments, but probably newer than singing ). and thats great too!
ubiquitinParticipantJoseph
one day you too will reach their lofty level of teshuva me’ahavah.
They don’t criticize your much lower level of teshuva requiring a Rov to scare you into doing teshuva.Kinos sofrim is good be jealous of their higher madreiga just frame it a bit nicer
September 5, 2018 10:05 am at 10:05 am in reply to: If you love fish then why do you eat them? #1587387ubiquitinParticipantWolf
It doesnt say “bare arms”
Though I did see a cartoon of a founding father holding up of pair of bear’s arms (as in an animal’s arms) and saying everyone has a right to these , please make that clear
ubiquitinParticipantLaskern
You can make up all the distinctions you want. The bottom line is Yitzchak’s “Love” for Eisav is called “Love”
I’m not disputing that the reason, or type of love between ויאהב יצחק את עשו ; and ויאהב יעקוב את-רחל are different.I’m just pointing out that whether תלוי’ בדבר or not, or whether you actually “love how it makes you feel” or not that is still called Love, in lashon hakodesh
ubiquitinParticipant” Yitzcok loved Aisov because he hunted for his mouth, realing loving himself, ”
And yet the Passuk says “ויאהב יצחק את עשו” showing that like in English to Love something doesn’t necessarily exclude self interest.
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ubiquitinParticipantI dont understand the question.
I would go to the Halal guys if it had a reliable hashgacha, tasted good and was reasonably priced. why should “Kosher guys” be worseubiquitinParticipant“Because you know that then his buddies will kill you anyways as well as kill thousands of other Jews — immediately.”
Only the Ribono shel olam can no that. There is no question that SOME lives were extended as a result of the uprising. The decision to liquidate the Ghetto was made before the uprising the plan was for the ghetto to be empty by Hitler’s birthday April 20. The uprising lasted longer, and perhaps lives were extended“And those thousands and thousands of others who were immediately killed did not acquiesce to your taking action that will result in their immediate deaths.”
i’m not sure that enters the chesbon,. By Haba lehargach if in retaliation the intended murderer’s brother will kill 10 Jews, does that mean yo ucant kill the intended murderer? I doubt it. Though would be interested to see sources that say otherwise if you could provide.
And at any rate, the plan was t o kill them anyway, likely sooner if not for the uprising.ubiquitinParticipant“Who with big enough shoes has said that we now change Jewish practice from throughout the ages as a result of the Holocaust?”
I dont follow. Different circumstances call for different approaches. Yaakov avinu taught us how to face enemies with three different approaches. All are appropriate depending on the circumstance.
“but you think a couple hundred Jews with guns can beat the German war machine? ”
No, and I explicitly sad so. The point wasn’t to beat the German was machine.“(even putting aside the reality that some likely would have survived),”
Maybe more survived as a result of the uprising, thats only for the Boreei Olam to know. After all some did escape, the uprising DELAYED many people’s deaths as it took the Germans about 2 months to empty the Ghetto. when the decision to empty the Lodz Ghetto in august 44′ was made it was emptied in less than a month and most were gassed upon their arrival to Chelmno. Perhaps if they too had revolted they would have delayed the ghetto’s destruction.
“Who have a couple hundred people the right to engage”
The Ribono shel Olam as reported by his emissaries in the Ghetto, the Rabbonim at the time, and as outlined by our history eis milchomo veis shalom, sometimes bargaining is appropriate sometimes fighting is appropriate.ubiquitinParticipantjoseph
(this is a follow up to my most recent reply hopefully it goes up second, though its shorter so may go up first.)I am not saying that the only correct approach was armed resistance. (though R’ Ziemba is quoted as having said that). I am in no way criticizing those who did what JEws generally did historically, While I dotn know of any who opposed armed resistance against the Nazis I’m sure there were some and I am not arguing or criticizing them.
I am only explaining the other side to you .
ubiquitinParticipant1. Its in “Warsaw Ghetto diaries” by Hillel Seidman. An absolutely excellent book and first hand eyewitness account of life in the ghetto up to and including its destruction. I think it is out of print, but if you can get your hands on it, I highly recommend
Other eyewitness reported similar statements though I do not have those references off hand2. I dont see were shopping pointed that out.
2&3 it depends on the circumstances. As you may know Rabbi Akiva DID support Bar Kochba. for most of Jewish history hiding made the most sense. you cant fight the czar’s army , every so often there is a little “demonstration” best thing to do is hide in basement wait it out until it passes. The holocaust was different. it wasn’t just a “little demonstration” You are making the same mistake that another poster (and many in our community) made namely “that the holocaust wasn’t all that “special”, and was merely a mid-20th century manifestation of what we have seen for many, many centuries (and millenia)” Just like during a pogrom the best bet was hiding in your basement for a few days until things quiet down, so too in 1940’s . some Gedolim made this mistake in the 40’s I am not for a second criticizing them, generally that was the best approach. But not this time .
Again look at Lodz where there was no uprising (not to the same extent at least) while I dont think exact statistics are easy to come by, I don’t think more Jews survived Lodz than Warsaw.ubiquitinParticipantJoseph
Words, have meaning, they have implication you said and I quote “It was clear before it began that it could only result in a massacre of the Jews in the ghetto” The strong implication is that if not for the uprising there wouldnt have been a massacre. I don’t know how else to interpret your words.
I also dont know how you explain that the Jews of say, Lodz shared a similar fate, although there was no uprising. (See if you would read more you would know that)“what WAS the goal? ”
I quote you again from R’ Ziemba “In the present, however, we are faced by an arch foe, whose unparalleled ruthlessness and total annihilation purposes know no bounds. Halachah demands that we fight and resist to the very end with unequaled determination and valor for the sake of Sanctification of the Divine Name”
Kiddush Shomayim was the goal.
OR to quote Shimshon “Tamus Nafshi im pelishtim” (if you deny R’ Ziemba’s words do you deny Shimshon’s ) There is no chiyuv to be “laag vakeles bagoyim” that is in fact a chilul Hashem. Often in our history there was not much that could be done. OTher times, the benefit of waiting it out outweighed the Kiddush Hashem of showing them that Jewish blood isnt free. But at this juncture “Halachah demands that we fight and resist to the very end with unequaled determination and valor for the sake of Sanctification of the Divine Name”ubiquitinParticipantShoping
“It was clear before it began that it could only result in a massacre of the Jews in the ghetto.”your history is backwards.
The decision to liquidate the ghettio was before the uprising.
Its not like the Germans were letting to JEws live in peace minding their own business, when the ungrateful Jews started shooting at them . Again look up the Wannsee conference, note its date.
This is the problem I alluded to earlier in my second comment on this thread . You dont seem to have a solid understanding of the holocaust, and its history (you arent alone) If only the Jews were peaceful and listened then they wouldn’t have been massacred“it was clear from even before it began that the Warsaw Uprising could not possibly defeat the German Army.”
obviously, though that was never the goalShopping
“ubiquitin, isn’t it a mitzvah to serve Hashem bisimcha?”
Is it? Does this apply t oall times? Are yo usupposed to be besimcha on tisha baav? at a funeral?” Using the siren to commemorate something is a goyishe idea”
Source please. Since you are condemning many religious Jews who announce the start of Shabbos with a siren. You better have a good source
” and many rabbanim hold it to be assur.”
which ones?ubiquitinParticipantJoseph
It most definitely is unserious as it isnt based on fact.
and even if it was it wasnt made with the proper sensitivity to the dire circumstances they faced.IF you had said something along the lines of “with the benefit of hindsight it seems like the uprising was a bad idea” or something like that., you’d be wrong, but at least probably not offensive.
(The reason it isnt based on fact is it isnt like more Jews died in Warsaw than, say Lodz where there was no uprising. Read about the Holocause, read about the Wannsee conference, its not like the NAzis were plnning to leave the ghetto alone until they fought backAt any rate, I was under the impression that you believed in daas torah
R’ Menachem Ziemba Ztzl HYd is quoted as having said“Sanctification of the Divine Name manifests itself in varied ways….In the past, during
religious persecution, we were required by the law “to give up our lives even for the least
essential practice.” In the present, however, we are faced by an arch foe, whose unparalleled
ruthlessness and total annihilation purposes know no bounds. Halachah demands that we
fight and resist to the very end with unequaled determination and valor for the sake of
Sanctification of the Divine Name”I know, I know, you dnt believe he said it spare, me as I said you arent being serious.
ubiquitinParticipantYes
You voted for him in spite of his campaign built on bias, lies and lack of logic.
you cant complain now
ubiquitinParticipantshopping
“Hashem wants us to be happy, we have a mitzvah to do that every day.”
source please.
” It’s more about the sirens which is a goyish concept.”
Why is it Goyish? Is using a siren to announce the start of Shabbos goyish?Long Island Yid
“I still haven’t seen anyone here explain why tach vetat is okay to have a separate day for it and not say ‘oh just include it on Tisha Bav”thats because there isnt one. And the reason chareidim don’t commemorate Yom Hashoa is not because of that fake transparent reason
August 3, 2018 9:43 am at 9:43 am in reply to: If you vote Democrat you should just move to Mexico #1568866ubiquitinParticipant“I know you can’t do get prices like that. Part of the reason is because every situation varies so much that’s it’s not possible to quote. ”
nonsense. Most childbirths are the same (that’s why I used the example) . And even if different, they are similar enough that you shoudl be able to get a ball park estimate.
August 2, 2018 8:40 pm at 8:40 pm in reply to: If you vote Democrat you should just move to Mexico #1568798ubiquitinParticipant“Regulations started before Obama. ”
Oh sure they did, but There was more wiggle room than their is now, as far as preexisting conditions goes.
You aspirin example is cute but ignores reality. Once a person is in a hospital for whatever reason, be it emergency or “routine” you are at their mercy. Why would they charge $5 for an aspirin, you cant go down the street to the other hospital.
Furthermore, you cant even find out what the other hospital charges for an aspirin.
Try it.
Take a routine procedure: Child birth, perhaps the number one reason for hospitalization. Most are uneventful leading to a 2 day or so hospitalization. Call your local hospital, tell them you are paying out of pocket and are shopping around for the cheapest place (obviously this isnt an emergency.) Yo uwill not get a straight answer. If you dont want to cal yourself, there are some videos on youtube of this being attempted (though of course they can be fake).“As a general rule, everything the government touches goes to gehenom.”
Even general rules have exceptions. I assume you agree military is best run by the government, roads, streetlights. etc.“I also don’t think all employers should have an obligation to provide health insurance – that’s not fair to employers that can’t afford it,”
I agree! Let the government run it this employer run system is absurd
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August 2, 2018 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm in reply to: If you vote Democrat you should just move to Mexico #1568666ubiquitinParticipant” I meant things like charging $60 for an aspirin, or $500 for a 10 minute checkup & diagnosis. ”
I agree we need MORE regulation. IT is crazy that once a person is in a hospital he is at their mercy and then gets charged crazy prices for an aspirin. The Government should absolutely step in and say that it isnt ok.
“Insurance companies are more likely”
1. Arguably “more likely” isnt enough. Some want a guarantee
2. It obviously depends on the conditions dealing with. Plus dont forget the other 455 people will cost money too its not like
3. We dont have to guess what would happen. I know people who were denied insurance prior to Obama zul zein gezunt in shtark.
4. not everyone’s employer provides medical insurance (yet another absurd aspect of our system)August 1, 2018 7:36 pm at 7:36 pm in reply to: If you vote Democrat you should just move to Mexico #1568150ubiquitinParticipant“The problem is that prices aren’t published like they are for every other industry, ”
This is Yet another problem. I didn’t mean that my example (which you grant is a valid one with emergencies, though not all encounters).
“Insurance sometimes pays hundreds if not thousands of dollars for routine procedures.”
I’m not sure why “routineness” of a procedure would determine its cost. Can you explain why this is so?
“even for pre-existing conditions.”
Without regulation pre-existing conditions would usually not be covered. nor should they be. Try buying homeowners’ insurance after a house is on fire. It doesn’t even make sense, it isnt really “insurance” at that point.August 1, 2018 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm in reply to: If you vote Democrat you should just move to Mexico #1568012ubiquitinParticipant“but I do encourage people, especially Jews, to use facts not emotions or misinformation, when forming opinions about political topics. I would say that I am vested in rational thinking, ”
Careful up there on your high horse, Do you think your OP was a fact or rational thinking?
August 1, 2018 2:44 pm at 2:44 pm in reply to: If you vote Democrat you should just move to Mexico #1568004ubiquitinParticipantcuriosity
“What we really need is to get government out of healthcare, and let the free market act to create competition to lower costs, like it does in every other sector. ”The problem is that healthcare is not the same as every other sector. for example, the basic starting points of economics namely supply/demand don’t always apply to Healthcare. It’s not like if Stents become cheaper more people will have heart attacks. Nor can there realistically be a competitive market. In the throes of a heart attack, the patient wont say no drive a little further hospital x is cheaper. This isn’t to mention children, those with preexisting conditions that the “free market” would only lose by helping, which I assume you agree there should be some protection built in.
July 30, 2018 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm in reply to: The Badeken — The origins and meaning behind the Minhag #1566964ubiquitinParticipant“3. If the badeken is see-through, doesn’t that defeat the purpose? ”
How can you ask “doesnt that defeat the purpose” if you dont know the purpose?
There are many reasons as you point out. and it is hard to list “each of them.”
According to some the badeken is the chupa I though this was tur but I cant find it now. Tosfos Yoma 13b says Kalalh wearing veil is chupa, though Iremeber a shita that it is chasan spreading clothing on her. (the reason for the yekke minhag)
Other point to imahos either Rivka who covered herself wit hcloth or LEah who yaakov didnt recongnize so she must have been wearing a veil (I guess according to this last one a see through oen would defeat the purpose, though this is a strange purpose to copy to the tee)July 30, 2018 8:28 am at 8:28 am in reply to: If you vote Democrat you should just move to Mexico #1566900ubiquitinParticipantyour question doesnt make sense, We want “a country run by illegal aliens.” in Mexico the illegals arent illegal.
Phase B is once the US gets overrun by illegal immigrants, many will sneak across the border to MExico making Mexico too run over by illegal immigrants.
ubiquitinParticipant“I personally do not receive a shekel more than any other Israeli citizen. ”
I never said you did. You are not worried about joining them when it benefits you, thus your response that you dont want t o join “ignorant atheists” is a cop out.
you want to fall back on “consult with the rabbonim” that is certainly your prerogative (though begs the question of why this entire forum exists let alone your presence on it“should teachers/ Rebbis get a full time salary” – “consult the gedolim”
“$15 an hour minium wage” – “consult the gedolim”
” hi everyone remeber me?” – ” consult the gedolim”but please don’t pretend that is your entire response. you made a foolish comparison to christmas, that I doubt the gedolim have made.
ubiquitinParticipant“I was left with a feeling of overwhelming sadness,”
That is the point. The purpose of Tisha’ Bav IS to feel sad. yo uhave succeeded
“but also the question how to channel that feeling.”
It dopesnt need to be channeled the point is being sad.
Sure if you want yo ucan use that sadness to ensure it doesnt happen again by working on Say, sinas chinam which chazal tell us is wha tled us to thsi mess in the first place.
but this is secondary. Tishaa Bav isnt a day of teshuva. We dont say Selichos, we dont lain vayechol we dont lain dirshu (not in the morning at least), we dont say avinu malkeinu. As chazal say Hashem closed the gates of tefilah.
The point is to be sad and mourn over that which was lost.
AY
“The original Christians were Jews. So, should we “join them” in their celebrations for the sake of some type of “unity” of mankind”whats with this strange comparison to christians/christmas. do you really not understand the difference between Yom hashoa and christmas? IS that how far removed this strange shita makes people?
Out of curiosity , to you make thsi same false equivalence between joining/following when it comes to joining them in accepting government funds, or is that a special exception?
ubiquitinParticipant“The date of Yom Hashoa was chosen because it was the date of the start of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising”
Except that it wasn’t
It is hard to determine an exct date as there was some fighting in January of 43′. Most historians Consider April 19 43′ (Erev Pesach) as the start of the “official” uprising.
It was considred that 14 nissan be yom Hashoa but that idea never gained much traction.ubiquitinParticipant“that this observance during the month of Nissan is not acceptable. The Israeli govt. declared it for that date, to fit their agenda — that it would always fall during the week before Israel independence day.”
The first part is nonsense the second is correct.
A big chunk of klal yisroel spends 27 nissan scratching their faces and avoiding music in mourning over R’ Akiva’s Talmidim. but to hear some speeches and a siren, …. no its nissan No mourning!
The second part is the real reasondovid
“No, I’m making an analogy by using another example of abandoning halachah for the sake of “achdus with our fellow Jews “.”Ummm, how is yom hashoa, “abandoning halacha” ?
ubiquitinParticipant” Should we join in achdus with them and observe Dec. 25 too?”
No,
If you really don’t understand why, I’d be happy t o explain it to you. Please let me knowubiquitinParticipantdon’t tell me what I’m going to say, as it is easy to prove you wrong again by not saying it.
No, I am showing you that your statement “nor are hats of any kind [holy]” is demonstrably false. Thus callign into question your expertise in analyzing Holiness and certainly calling into question your ability t olabel others “an ignoramus of unbelievable proportion who neither comprehends kedusha”
Some hats are in fact holy. That does not make all hats or even all such hats holy. I’m not quite sure how you came to that wrong conclusion
ubiquitinParticipantThis conversation reminds me of the story of Reb Boruch Ber who marveled at the “heilige kurkevan” when he encountered one after spending so much time learning tOrah about it.
And you can’t accuse him of being a chassid.I don’t think he meant that gizzards need genizah. IT is a sense of appreciation, if he can have it for abird’s innards because of sugyos and halacha involved. Al achas Kama vekama for the very language used to espouse said Torah.
(Incidentally I think Heilige Kurkevan is a fantastic user name,)
ubiquitinParticipant” Adding a separate memorial day for the 20th century holocaust dilutes the significance of Tisha B’Av for many people, ”
I dont follow, does observing the yahrtzeit of one’s mother dilute the significance of one’s father’s yahrtzit?
They are 2 tragedies both were terrible and we commemorate both why does a commemoration for the Holocaust dilute that of the churban? -
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