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so he was right!
( and I was wrong, for misunderstanding, and dismissing quickly.“I know exactly how science works . The people with the millions and billions pay scientists to run the study exactly how they want, to prove exactly what they want. The end.”
So how did Wakefield’s “study” slip through?
“like betting” isnt betting.
Though its worth pointing out, Even betting isn’t assur. (though it might be a waste of money, but that is arguable and if you enjoy it then it isnt a waste.)
What is assur is collecting money that other’s give to you. In other words if you bet and lsoe, the guy who takes your money is stealing (miderabnanon) or if someone bets against you and loses, you are stealing by taking his money.
(In fact, using chips might actually avoid the above problem of asmachta lo kanya since arguably once youve purchased the chips that’s like putting the money on the table in which case it is no longer an asmachta. But this last point is debatable .)“I’ve heard the cards are avoda zora”
Ive heard the moon is made of cheese, that doesn’t make it so .“That was and is the single biggest danger of the internet in his opinion.”
He is wrong.
while that is bad, a far bigger danger is it gives a platform and support to people with all sorts of kooky ideas.
Much like shmutz, there where always conspiratorial magazines available that discussed chemtrails being used for mind control, vaccines causing autism, and elvis shooting JFK from the grassy knol. Most people were embarrassed to announce they take this stuff seriously, and (virtyually) all people knew it was’nt meant to be real.
Today though there is more and more of this stuff anonymously available, so feeble minded people who are easily taken in by conspiratorial thinking find that hey other people are thinking this stuff too, and look at all these websites there must be some truth to it .“Reb Shmuel is also a pretty big Gadol. Or is that only when we agree with him?!?”
I don’t follow, why does not agreeing make someone not a Gadol?
Oh no Joseph is gonna be triggered
don’t tell me you trust studies
Please we know the truth, that is just a conspiracy to spread measles so they can line the pockets by spreading diseases thus making big pharma lots of money
I cant believe you fell for it! Don’t you see it is big pharma 2.0 competing with regular big pharma
OF course you got the study wrong but you don’t care about that, as you clearly didint read it. For example THAT SAME STUDY also showed “Overall, undervaccinated children had higher inpatient admission rates than age-appropriately vaccinated children”
now of course deciding to go to the ER is a decision made by parents, the decision to admit depends on how sick the child is. So if any conclusion can be drawn from the study, (other than the study’s vague conclusions of “Rates of undervaccination, specific patterns of under-vaccination, and health care utilization rates.”)Is that parents of properly vaccinated children care more (worry more?) about their children, thus rush to ER quicker. which isnt really a chidush at this point.
And that undervaccinated children get admitted mote since they are more likely to get sickI know I know big pharma funded half of the study, so you only accept half. spare me.
trustinhashem
Please tell me, when you finished typing up your foolishness, did you hit “Submit”
why? If Hashem wanted us to be exposed to your “wisdom” He could have just as easily made it pop on the screen without you pressing “submit” or without you having to type it.Please go work on your emunah before you drag the rest of us down with your weak ways
sairy
“The “government” does not pay for medications. We the taxpayers, pay for them. ”Ok so you don’t know how vaccines nor the government works.
Briefly: taxpayers pay taxes, the government collects it. Now that money can go to decorate an office, buy new missiles or pay for Metformin.
Of course some can always be skimmed off the top too.Are you saying Medicare/medicaid pays for any medication/test prescribed by a doctor?
Of course they try to save money, which brings me to question 1 of the 4 questions I outlined earlierCrone
Before we go through yur studies, I have a 2 questions:
1) Why do you (and I mean you collectively since all pro-diseasers tend to do this) misrepresent things.
for example your quote “Children who are permitted to contract measles naturally are significantly protected against various cancers later in life. In fact, the wild measles virus has oncolytic (anti-cancer) properties.” Is not taken from a medical journal, why do you hint that it is?
Are you hoping we won’t check? Why take the risk?
did you just copy and paste thinktwice. com, without reading it? what else havent you read?2) those in the pro-disease camp often complain that “we dont respect their right” or somehting to that effect.
what about our right to not have our children exposed to those without vaccines? Ok you do you don’t vaccinate. no problem. Just stay away, don’t come to shuls, schools etc that don’t want that?thanks
sariray
A few questions
1) Many studies are funded by the government . Cinnamon is much cheaper than metformin . The govt pays for a lot of metformin (Through medicare/medicaid) if it were true that cinamon worked as well (or better than ) metformin. Isnt that something that the government would love to prove ?2) “Cinnamon and other supplements might lower blood sugar safely but your doctor is not allowed to prescribe”
why do you need a doctor’s prescription for cinnamon I don’t understand. If your diabetic take cinnamon if it works great. When it doesnt come i’ll prescribe MEtformin. I don’t really understand the problem.3) you do know that doctor’s don’t get paid for prescribing medications say Metformin . right?
4) Can the Cinnamon be in Danish form ?
Haimy
Youre takeaway is wrong. (did you read the study?)From the conclusion “As a result of targeted containment efforts, and high baseline coverage in the general community, there was limited spread beyond the Amish community.”
This is what is being supported : “targeted containment efforts.”:
If you aren’t vaccinated, stay home! period Dont’ come to shul, school, bris, pidyan haben, sehva berachos or a pidyon peter chamor.“Herd immunity is a theory that was never proven.”
Putting aside the fact that that statement is false (though ot be fair it depends what you mean by “proven”
that in no way answers the question.The question wasn’t “Why is it that pro-diseasers not accept herd immunity”
In which case your point would be relevent (if it was true).The question was “Why is it that anti-vaxxers need to have herd immunity explained to them every single time?”
In every discussion Ive had wit h people “who have done their research” both in person and online, this always comes up. There are p[probably dozens of threads on ywn I’d bet that every one has some pro-disease individual asking “why does it matter what I do if your’re child is vaccinated?” or something to that effect as if they thought of some briliant question that has never been asked before
Iv’e wondered the same thing
I can only conclude that in spite of what they claim they (generally) haven’t done much research and are not very intelligent. And have trouble understanding and/or remembering the same idea that is explained over and over again.
Even if herd immunity wasn’t real. you would think that by now those in the pro-disease camp , would at the very least know the response they will get to the same question asked over and over and over
yet, they do not seem to expect the answer.
I can’t think of any other possibility
“That’s exactly my point – in NO Way is it even Remotely JUSTIFIABLE!!!”
Yep that is w2hat we were discussing.
I’ll skip your reply November 4, 2018 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm, since I dont really understand what it was contributing either I or you lost your train of thought.
glad we are back on trackthe “1) WHO CARES?”
Lots of them. Including people who abhor terrorism and believe it is a perversion of their religion.
You indicated earlier that in the (perhaps) hypothetical scenario I outlined regarding “Jewish Thievery” that while, you woundt be bothered by that expression yo understood why others might be.2) Again why do yo u have to say the magic words” Islamic terrosim” to accomplish that?
3) Israel isn’t so interested in fighting ISIS. To fight ISIS we need help from local Muslims
Look believe it or not, I dont really want to get bogged down in this argument.
I’m not saying calling it Islamic Terrorism is wrong.
And I grant that my comparison to “Jewish Thievery” isnt perfect ( not for Syag’s reason, rather unlike the rebelech I’m referring to, the Ayatolah supports terrorism, so it is a bit weird to say the Ayatolah doesnt have a “true” grasp of Islam)
Nonetheless, I hope you can understand where the other side is coming from, and why some avoid using the phrase. I“Some people find “clinging to their guns and bibles” offensive too ”
Yes, and he shouldn’t have said that,. I’m glad we agree.
“It accomplishes that it was an act of terror as opposed to “workplace violence” and it should be dealt appropriately”
youre a bit late to the party, we are discussing the phrase “Islamic Terrorism” as opposed to “Terrorism”
We are not discussing its use as opposed to workplace violence, giving out candies or remaining silent.
I’m not sure why there is confusion on that point.I’m not saying using that phrase would have had that result, just that their was concern that it would. Could it have been wrong? Sure
Bringing up Trump, only strengthens my point. Look how he bends over backwards to avoid condemning a murder of a journalist. no of course his business ties are more important to him than strategic alliances, so I don’t fault him for not wanting to mess up his business dealings, but bringing him as an example of how to properly condemn evil actions, doesn’t make much sense
He doesn’t mind alienating allies who support candidates who oppose him. which you seem to imply “trying to prop up the opposition as opposed to staying out of it” is a bad thing.syag
“Was just saying that thievery done by Jews is not Thievery done for Judaism, or Torah.”While your distinction is of course correct. I am not discussing “thievery done by Jews” again read my example carefully I would like to leave it at that,. I don’t want to go to much into detail.
“STOP TWISTING MY WORDS! I said -“he DID NOT call it Islamic Terrorism””
what?
Of course he did not call it “Islamic Terrorism” is’nt that the very point we are discussing?
He didn’t’ call it “Islamic terrorism” Our discussion is whether avoiding that phrase that phrase is justifiable.I pointed out that 1) some find it offensive 2) IT accomplishes nothing and 3) It can potentially alienate allies
Instead of replying to any of those points you then said
That he “didn’t condone or condemn” it and “Shtikah K’hodah.” ” You must PROTEST Against that kind of Terror – there is NO, Whatsoever, any sort of JUSTIFICATION!”I dont see how this is relevant, unless you can provide an example of him not protesting against an act of terros
Rebyid
Lots of things!
What did you want me to askHealth
“This is what he did – he DID NOT call it Islamic Terrorism – even after an Islamic terror attack! Now you might say that’s ok, because he DIDN’T condone it OR condem it, ”I agree wholeheartedly not condemning a terrorist attack is u
Is unacceptable.
W hich attack, are you referring to?Ry23
I have.I see your ante, and i’ll raise you by 500 troll points:
Calling the police/ticket maids on someone sleeping in your bed is mesira.If you wish to argue against this point, bring halachic arguments only. Not personal feelings or boich svaras.
The Halacha on mesira makes no exception permitting this type of mesira.
“Saying there is a shred of similarity between “jewish thievery” and not denouncing islamic terror hours after terrorists credit islamic ideology for the deed is crazy.”
You are going to have to elaborate if you want your comment to have much meaning.
They seem quite similar, if not the same to me.“Yes, I would, if it was said generally.”
Bingo! I’m so glad you got it.
now you do not have to agree (especially since you indicated that you would be ok with the expression “Jewish Thievery” in the scenario I outlined)now, just as people would be upset by the expression “Jewish Thievery,” Others are upset by the expression “Islamic Terrorism”
As a general rule, if an expression you plan to use will upset people (as you indicated you understood) and benefit nobody IT is a good policy to avoid that expression.
and even if it where to somehow benefit somebody that benefit needs to be weighed against upseting people.and on top of that the expression “Islamic terrorism” does worse than just upset people. It runs the risk of alienating vast swaths of people from bein potential allies.
Take ISIS for example, the ones of have suffered the most at their hands are other Muslims. Turning the conflict into a “US vs Muslims” crusade (as GWB unwisely said”) Has the possibility of gaining nothing and only causing harm“Not celebrated – like we have seen – candies & cake given out!”
Agreed
did Obama give out candies and cake?“It’s an absurd question, because of what I just wrote. But just to humor you – Yes, I would.”
Thank you for answering, and now I understand where you are coming from (sort of, I still don’t get why it is so important to say “Islamic terrorism”).
On the other hand I would be very upset by said expression, most of the people I know, and I’d venture to say most Jews would similarly be very upset by said expression.
Even if you would be ok with the expression “Jewish thievery” in the hypothetical (for argument’s sake) scenario I outlined, can you see why many if not most would find it offensive, and would be upset by it?Health
We have been over this.I asked you before, you didnt answer. Here it is again:
I have had rebbeim (plural) who said that it was a “mitzva” to rateve (rescue) yiddish gelt from the government who steals and wastes money, by taking whatever we can even by any means necessary.
Unfortunately followers of this view are sometimes caught.
Do you support the government/media labeling such theft as “Jewish thievery” ?
“So if a person goes on an airplane and it accelerates to whatever it’s supposed to accelerate to, time is going slower then?”
Yes!
Though note even a jumbo jet while traveling fast at say 550 mph (~ 0.15 miles per second) is nothing compared to the 186,000 m/sec that light travels. so it is not noticeable but it is real and even measurable! w/ atomic clocks.
look up “time dilation at low speeds” for a nice explanation with concrete numbers“don’t believe in accusing everyone with different opinions of bigotry. That’s a the leftist strategy.”
Ah but you do believe in accusing everyone with a different opinion of being ” my enemy and the enemies of the country,” I’m not sure how that is much better.
“And, where is this even coming from that he’s “never denounced the white nationalists?” He absolutely has;”
Can you provide an example please? He came close after Charlotsville but went on to condemn “both sides, both sides” and revealed this gem ““You also had some very fine people on both sides,”
“Are you making the argument that “all Nazis aren’t bad”?!’
Oskar Schindler is making that argument
And to preempt your next argument, he isnt even a Scotsman, let alone a true one
“All nazis are evil”
even Oskar Schindler?
“They apply the pasuk הקל קול יעקב והידים ידי עשו”
who applies that?
Other than people who don’t keep going in chumash and perhaps add Rashi “הִתְקִין עַצְמוֹ לִשְׁלֹשָׁה דְּבָרִים, לְדוֹרוֹן, לִתְפִלָּה וּלְמִלְחָמָה”So the ribono shel olam opposes bris milah now, got it.
what kind of reform rabbi is thisAye in 2014 there was no bris milah (from two toeva fathers, one or none) eleh mai then it was punishment ofr not having Toeiva fthers I guess.
Nu nu s’felt nisht kein meshugoyim. not sure why this is newsworthy
“We need a whole new one.”
That I agree with.
It is a bit silly to have a 240 year old man made document control our lives.
while Thomas Jefferson’s proposed 20 year expiration might be a bit short, maybe 100 years is a nice round number people can get behind.” allows its people too much freedom is better than one that chooses safety over freedom”
Except, that you dont actually believe that. (correct me if I’m wrong) You dont believe I have a right to own nuclear weapons, chemical weapons even a tank i’ll bet. In those cases you feel society’s safety outweighs my personal freedom (apologies if ‘m putting words in your mouth) . the only question is where to try the line.
but (almost) all agree that their are circumstances where safety should outweigh personal freedom.“The Constitution doesn’t dictate opinion, but it is a reality. You don’t care about it, but it doesn’t care about you either, and it is currently in charge. Violating it would cause a civil war, and that would be ugly.”
If it is wrong, just because doing the right thing would cause a civil war isnt a good enough reason not to do it.
Unless you are arguing since the constitution allowed slavery we should still have slaves trying to change that might lead to civil war.
oh wait….If there is a good reason to allow civilians access to guns make that case. The constitution can (and has been) be changed.
furthermore the interpretation can certainly be changed, like in 2009 when the interpretation of the 2nd amendment was changed from applying to a “well-regulated milita” to “the people”and even then 4 of the supreme court justices disagreed with the new interpretation.
In short
1) Reasonable people can disagree as to the meaning of the constitution.
2) Even if it outright said “the right to keep and bear any kind of arm no matter the type, shall not be infringed and not be regulated in any way.” that STILL wouldn’t be a good reason to enforce said policyeh whut?
“Actually it would apply to having been hosted for Shabbos in a 3 room illegal basement apartment in Boro Park as well.”
no it wouldn’t.
“This is the Yekke side of my parentage speaking.”
there arent many yekkes in Boro Park (and probably none in illegal basement apartments).
Manners are determined by convention. In a society were after a meal the custom is to redo your hosts home then that is expected. If the custom is to mail a thank you card then that is expected. If the custom is to say thank you on the way out then that is expected.In Boro Park the custom is to say thank you on the way out, not to redo the home nor to mail a thank you card. In Connecticut it very well may be different,.
” Is a written, mailed thank-you note really necessary in this case?”
no.
Unless you stayed at a fancy Connecticut estate then it seems to be required“In Eretz Yisroel the guy and gal meet at a mutually agreed location whereas in America they follow the practice adopted from the goyim of the guy coming to pickup the girl.”
As always Joseph, you have it backwards.
A quick poll in my office (7 people 5 Female 2 male)
all agreed of the 2 descriptions the E”Y system was far more similar to how they and/or those they know) date“DY, you might not have the zachusim to find it or given as gift, which you have no control over”
What if I don’t have the zechusim to win 1/300,000,000 odds (or whatever it is) but I do have the zechusim to win 1/150,000,000 odds
Ysiegel
is asking if anyone wants to carry out a monetary transaction online (extremely suspicious), especially in a way which warrants the exchange of private details (i.e. in order to find out more about what he’s selling)(red flags abound!)???”Where on Earth did you see that. I must have missed it where did anyone ask to carry out a monetary transaction online?
where did anyone ask for private details?Was a post removed?
akuperma
interesting information about historical background regarding the second amendment .
your first paragraph was a bit silly though. TIt blows myu mind how many people repeat this absurdity. some historians are now saying that say the French army was better armed and trained than any ” local population” could be . Yet interestingly that did not stop the German government. It is beyond absurd to suggest. That the French, Belgian, Polish, Dutch, Czech, Greek etc’s armyis were all defeated. But if only the local population was armed THEY would have been the ones to finally make a difference.As you may know though that was written over 200 years ago. IT is absurd (to say the least) that we should continue to allow easy access to firearms just because over 200 years ago the British didnt allow deplorables t o have weapons
“It should also be noted that much of the population of the United States lives in fear of being attacked”
I was not aware of that.
Attacked by whom? Is that fear justified?At any rate you haven’t really answered my questions.
Rebyid
“Doing my best, the Second Amendment makes no such exception, so it would be unconstitutional”Note, you didnt answer the question. Even assuming your statmtnt is true (which 4/9 supreme court justices disagreed with in Heller, and the court in general disagreed with for the first 220 years or so of the amendments existence.
That STILL doesn’t answer the question. The constitution isnt Torah misinia ( lehavdil) if there is no justifiable reason for something we should amend it. Just saying “well yes, its pretty terible that we have such a high gun death rate, but oh well its in the constitution” just doesn’t make sense .
Which brings me to my real question, that I have been asking numerous times on this thread.
I get that many feel we need guns to prevent the government from becoming tyrannical. (as Toi, and akuperma seem to be saying) my question is 2 fold:
1) who decides when the govt is tyrannical. I think my taxes are way to high. do you support my right to open fire on the Evil tyrannical government when th IRS comes knocking at the door? What if my whole block agrees our taxes are too high? city? state? How does mobilizing our armed populace to overthrow the government work?2) Is there any armed rebellion/uprising in the the past 242 years that you support? The whisky rebellion? Waco? The confederacy?
Thanks
“if you want to be מזכה people donate it to a beis Medresh”
maybe he is worried that if he donates it without charging it will show he isnt machshiv torah, which apparently is a view some have.
So to cover all bases he is charging something to show that it is chasuvh but not too much so its still affordable.Anyway, on to Tachlis, I love buying seforim at a cheap price (probably because I too am not machsiv Torah I guess ) where can we get them?
“if someone wants to sell something for “cheap” it shows he doesn’t give חשיבות to it”
Perhaps, the strangest thing I have read on this forum.
why doesnt it mean s/he wants to be mezakeh the Rabbim and have others have access to seforim?
why doesnt it mean s/he wants the seforim to be used and is eager to have others take them so that they can be utilized ?
why doesnt it mean that s/he is on a time frame and wants them to sell quickly?There are so many reasons one would sell something “for cheap” that in no way show a lack of חשיבות.
There is a facebook group “buy, sell, or swap seforim”
post pictures and prices there, they will be taken up rather quickly.“It’s a good response to ubiquitin.”
Actually thats how I first heard the line regarding ties, I shared the passul sefer Torah remark and that was the reply.
“I saw my rebbi the Frierdiker Matersdorfer Rav ztz’l wearing a gartel under his jacket.”
Rav Shisgal z”l did this as well
A rebbe of mine would say
Halacha mandates a seperation between erva and lev for Tefillah
Chassidim wear a gartel, Misnagdim wear a tie“Only you have sunk to that low, which is a new low for the CR.”
For what its worth it isn’t
More than one poster (or at least sn) made the same comment last time this discussion came upfakemaven
“Can you please quoate where I said R’ Chaim believes that it is the techelis? All I’ve said is that I do not know what R’ Chaim holds with this issue,”
You didint, but you are twisting yourself into pretzels, and ruining your credibility (and by extention your position since without honesty you can’t weigh both sides accuratly) to cast doubts on his view. He doesn’t know what daas notah says maybe this may be that.
He is b”h alive and well. Many have discussed techeiles with him . (As can be seen from the video mentioned in the thread)
when told that some fellow is certain he knows which is techeiles. R’ Chaim doesnt reply, “Techeiles! tell me how to get it! I must wear it too”You are left with only three possible conclusions that I can think of
1) R’ Chaim doesn’t hold this is techeiles (for whatever reason, nignaz or something else)
2) HE holds its techeiles and secretly wears it
3) He just doesn’t care one way or the other, he can’t be bothered to look into mitzvos (On the last thread someone said #3, I dont think it was you)chacham
“As far as the discussion of Nignaz. I think it is silly to make believe that Reb Chaim never claimed that the chilazon is nignaz etc. and it is only hearsay. I honestly believe that that is what he holds. But like every area of Halacha, not all poskim have to agree to one opinion”Thank you so much for saying that. Last year there was a similar discussion (last link in my previous comment) at the end of which I became disheartened, as it became clear that many in the pro-techeiles camp where not driven ” I want to have a discussion with others and hear different opinions ” nor to be mevakesh the emes.
so thank you for the breath of fresh air.Fake maven
I don’t want to revisit our whole discussion.
I do hope you can explain why resort to blatantly silly arguments. R’ Chaim doesn’t hold its real, nu nu there are machlokisim in klal yisroel. why does it bother yo uso much that this is yet another machlokes, that you are forced to say such blatantly foolish things? Why not say simply. “I don’t know why R’ chaim (and r’ Elyashiv ybbcl”c) ddiont hold of it, you’d have to ask them” ?“Ashkenazi Egyptian Jew a Sephardi German Jew.”
There isn’t really such a thing.