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Avira, marriage is a whole different ballgame than anything else. That’s the case by almost everyone and every group. Rabbonim seek to marry their children to children of Rabbonim rather than the working class. Rebbe’s with Rebbishe families. Sefardim with Sefardim. Rich families with other wealthy families, etc. Sure, there are exceptions. But this was always the case thoroughout history.
The Christian missionary fake Jews are examples of real symptoms of this problem. But quantity-wise they are a tiny subset of the issue. The far larger issue is with the Reform/Conservative, where a large percentage of their members are gentiles.
HaLeVi: Please thank you brother, on my behalf, for bringing you back here.
TLIK:Vus vilstu? You asked me to quote the Halacha, so I did so for you. You wrote to me “If you have one, share the reference. If someone is not marriage material, regardless of any age, there is no posek that would push for marriage.” Pru urvu is the posek that makes it mandatory al pi Torah to get married. Yes, getting married is mandatory. I gave you the Gemorah and Shulchan Aruch that there is a halachicly required age deadline.
You don’t like the Halacha. It’s it 21st century, it is America, things are different. The Torah is from 3000 years ago, the Gemorah is from 1500 years ago, the Shulchan Aruch is from 500 years ago. Times are achanging. I’ve heard it all. But what do you want from me that you ask ”
And if it “is not pshat in the Gemora.”, pray tell please how does the Gemorah (and Shulchan Aruch) mean something other than the very simple, basic and straightforward words it clearly says.
And your maaisala of Rav Jenkins is completely twisted out of shape from what he in fact said, which was in regards to his disagreement with the Tzadik Hador, the Satmar Rebbe ZT’L, regarding shidduchim.
Regarding the Roshei Yeshivos and their talmidid, did you completely miss my citation of the shittos that anyone learning Torah full time has a dispensation to get married by later than before their 24th birthday? Of course, anyone not a full time learner is subject to being married by 20.
Again, I’m just relating the Halacha as it is stated in the Gemorah, Shulchan Aruch, etc. As you requested. I didn’t make the Halacha. Speak to Hashem with any complaints, please. I don’t take kvittelech.
The Gemara in Kiddushin says the maximum age for marriage is 20. The Shulchan Aruch in EH says a person should be beaten if he doesn’t get married by then. Beis Din can force Reuven to marry Dina if they are refusing to marry by the age.
Some shittos (Maharshal) hold that if he’s learning Torah full-time then he must get married by 24.
Philosopher: The UK is very accommodating lately, with few restrictions on personal freedoms. Perhaps that’s up your alley?
Philosopher: Australia might be a good choice.
CA: America is also totally dependent on Hashem. Everyone is.
YO: Jewish.
Chazal give age deadlines to get married by.
Why does Israel need billions of dollars in American military aid every year?
CS: The Satmar Rebbe ZT’L brought Teimani Yidden to Kiryas Yoel.
It’s better to do a whole year without music. But if one isn’t strong enough they should only listen to Yiddish music.
Invest in art.
I know of a set of brothers marrying sisters. One set remained childless.
Quite a few states have no minimum age for marriage, altogether.
I see the company’s stock price on the NASDAQ more than doubled on Friday. So the company’s new net worth is actually in the multi billions of dollars now.
The new company, Trump Media and Technology Group, has more than quadrupled in value since the merger last week made it a NASDAQ listed company. It is now approaching a net worth of $1 billion.
As far as the comparison, 99% of today’s non-frum Jews were born as non-frum. If it is unfair to blame the Spanish and Portuguese conversions, in which case they effectively chose to convert rather than to flee the country (an option they were given in Spain) or to even die (as they were required to accept rather than shmad), then today’s Reform and Conservative Jews are less to blame than the 15th century converts.
We are required to die rather than to convert.
Avira, you’re saying it was more than 50%?
We already have a couple of firsthand stories, just by the less than tiny number of people in this very thread, of Goyim who become “Orthodox” and married real Jews.
How many more there are that others (not in this thread) are aware of. And how many untold thousands more there are that haven’t yet been discovered (and may never be discovered), that are halachic Goyim, many of them female, married to frum Jews and giving birth to more Goyim who will intermarry frum Yidden, and no one realizing.
YO, 50% of the Sephardim converted to Christianity in the 15th century. You don’t consider that to be worse?
‘”One may wonder; if one jewish child will be deprived of Torah, isn’t it worth the wasted resources on a few others who are not actually yidden?”
If you bring non-Jews into Orthodox Judaism you run the real risk of inadvertent intermarriage, among many other serious problems. (Yayin nesech would be one of the “smaller” ones.)
Donald Trump’s new social media company, Truth, has already raised over $300 million from stock investors.
New York’s minimum age for marriage was 14 until four years ago.
Yaakov, most states will marry 16 year olds. If one happens to live in another state that doesn’t, you can easily marry in a state which permits it.
The Christians who become fake frum Jews is a completely separate issue (and a much much smaller problem quantity-wise) from the very real problem of halachic Goyim who think they’re Jews (descended from Conservative/Reform maternal “converts”, paternal descent, etc.) and then become Orthodox Jews even though they’re gentiles.
“There were probably always people not interested in observance, but they often did not have any good options”
That was much better and the proper way. People should have no options to quit observance.
Wolf is too busy programming databases.
The issue of non-Jews (who may consider themselves to be “Jewish”) being mekareved and becoming “frum” is a real phenomenon.
mentsch1: If the girl decides to get married at 16, you’ll still be in favor of letting her decide? Or you’re only in favor of letting her decide to get married later but wouldn’t let her get married younger?
huju: rabbi j is at an age where he could be either a bochor or a yungerman.
Girls should get engaged and married while in Beis Yaakov or very shortly after graduating. Otherwise they lose their ideals.
This is the OPs second post. His first, and previously only post, essentially the same as this one, was made 13 years ago. He hasn’t uttered a word in 13 years until now. The multiple threads that you see in his history are all from 13 years ago, and all on the exact same date. Due to a CR software error the threads duplicated.
This year is an off-cycle election.
What about someone like Caspar Weinberger?
WoW is Reform. He’s defending WoW.
All need to keep in mind YO’s support of the Reform WoW movement whenever he comments on any other topic here.
Has anyone gotten QSL cards lately?
Little Froggie, are you trying to hint to us that you (unlike your brother shlita) live a carefree life, with little work and lots of play??
C’mon, it took you this long to realize this?? This has been obvious for over half a century, already.
YO, are you also a supporter of the toeiva people and believe that the death penalty is an unfair punishment for that sin?
Little Froggie: Where’s your brother? Shlep him back here. No excuses.
feivel doesn’t come by often enough. sam4321s missed. squeak hasn’t shown his face in too long. I Can Only Try has been gone too long. PM/hello99 is a choshuve Rov (in the full sense) who freely shares his halachic expertise. mdlevine is loved by all. Kapusta, smartcookie and Lilmod Ulelamaid always have much wisdom to share.
There are too many others in our friends and CR family list who equally deserve recognition to be mentioned. Consider yourselves included and rejoin the discussions ASAP! No more excuses for being AWOL.
And special mention to itzik_s/600 Kilo Bear Z”L who never failed to make excellent points others overlooked and always did so with his signature humor. We will meet him again with Moshiach bimheiro byomeinu.
ㅤㅤㅤㅤfarbycoffe, don’t forget to take your hydroxychloroquine.
“should I save up for a camcorder.”
Yes, save up for a camcorder.
“anyone know what the options are for taking professional videos?”
A good option would be to hire a professional videographer.
It used to be worse. When it started in 2008 it was full of Beis Yaakov girls chatting up a storm about every narishkeit imaginable and unimaginable.
Same as with plumbers.
I know some graphic designers who are multi-millionaires.