WolfishMusings

It is actually the mitzvah of tochacho.

There are guidelines to tochacha. Do they include public shaming in a newspaper? If so, please present a source that indicates such.

And lets not use the cop out since there are different standards we should not do anything. Uncovered knees, whether all the time or when in various positions, is beyond the pale.

I’m not coping out. I’m asking a specific question. What are the standards that will be used to determine the “sinners?”

The Wolf

This problem is so serious, that perhaps a unrepentant sinner should be publicly shamed with their names in the paper.

Okay… so the cure for the aveira of immodesty is the aveira of lashon hara?

That, also, leaves aside the question of who, exactly, is an “unrepentant sinner.” Is a woman who doesn’t wear stockings in the summer an “unrepentant sinner?” In other words, whose standards of tznius are we going to use to determine who is, in fact, a “sinner?*”

The Wolf

* And please don’t say “the Torah’s standards.” You know as well as I do that there are numerous interpretations of what that means. I’m asking for specific details.

The Wolf

Wolf-im not saying right or wrong, but if you know the woman from wherever, then I can UNDERSTAND WHY you would greet her. Same with one’s wife.

But a woman that you never met b4?

It’s not a matter of it being a woman. It’s a matter of it being a person. The fact that the person is a woman, or a non-Jew or a child, or an old person is really incidental.

The Wolf

Day’yo lavoi min hadin leh’yos k’niddon

Not all of us are talmiedi chachomim. Please translate.

Thanks,

The Wolf

I must ask you about the usage of “kriah” as in “Ba’al kriah”.

I believe it’s more correct and is similar to the term “Ba’al Tefilah.” Ba’al Kriah means “master of the reading.” I’m not sure what “Ba’al Koreh” means.

However, I’m not a dikduk expert either and could just as easily be wrong.

The Wolf

First of all-did your rav mean greeting aquaintances or greeting absolutely never met before and never will meet people.

Does it matter? Why is a stranger different (vis-a-vis “al tarbeh…”) than Mrs. Katz, the wife of a fellow who davens in my shul?

Anyway wolf-Pleeeeeaaaasssseeee don’t act silly. You know a wife is different.

On the contrary — look at the Mishna — it goes out of it’s way to INCLUDE one’s wife. Why should one’s wife be different when the Mishna specifically includes her in “al tarbeh…?”

The Wolf

I think that if you talk through the entire davening – start to finish – except for 10 seconds where you observe proper shul decorum, you are a step better than if you talked with no exception.

Not universally — but when it comes to the difference between during laining and between aliyos, then yes. It is no better to be silent during aliyos if you’re going to talk during laining. I feel very strongly about that.

The Wolf

What about between aliyos? I’m trying to be melamed zchus here 🙂

If you talk through laining, what’s the point of being quiet between aliyos? 🙁

The Wolf

Wolf, it isn’t rude not to greet others THAT U HAVE NO CLUE WHO THEY ARE AND U JUST PASS THEM BY ON THE STREET.

You don’t have to shout. And yes, I believe it is rude. Would you walk by someone of the same gender on Shabbos and not say “Good Shabbos?”

Does your Rav greet your wife on the street? Does his Rebbetzin greet you? It isn’t a mitzvah in theleast bit.

In fact, my rav has made the point publicly that it is common courtesy and there is nothing wrong with saying “Good morning” or “Good Shabbos” to someone of the opposite gender.

The Wolf

People determining right and wrong from their “feelings” about what the Torah demands from us.

And how do you know the Torah wants us to not say “good morning” to anyone? How do you know exactly was it covered under “Tarbeh?”

What does a Talmid Chochom tell you that the Torah wants regarding this question.

Oddly enough, my rav tells me that there is nothing wrong with a polite “good morning” or “good Shabbos” to someone.

The Wolf

Saying GM isn’t necessary. Take it from a woman. I’m perfectly ok WITHOUT greetings from every man on the street.

If they greet, they’re being EXTRA nice.

Interesting….

When it came to head coverings, members of this board seemed to say that it was horrible if a woman didn’t aspire to the level of Kimchis. “Why settle for the minimum” was the battle cry.

Yet, when it comes to greeting people, we’re being told, “don’t bother going the extra mile. Stick to the minimum.”

Suffice it to say, I believe that greeting people whenever possible should be done — be they man or woman, Jew or Gentile, young or old. I don’t think that being rude (yes, I call it rude when you purposely don’t greet someone) is what the Torah wants from us.

The Wolf

Oomis- when it says al tarbah sicha em haisha, it didn’t say,”except a good morning greeting”.

I don’t think it’s appropriate to greet opposite genders when you’re only passing them on the street.

Do you believe that saying “Good Shabbos” constitutes “Tarbeh B’Sicha?”

The Wolf

ya got nothing to lose by sending it on to 12 other people.

Sure I do. I have my hard-earned reputation of not sending out junk emails to lose.

The Wolf

He wasn’t asking for your haskomo.

I didn’t say he was. However, since I was the one who brought it up, it’s obvious that it was in response to my post. Hence I responded. If you would rather I not respond to people, just let me know.

I am under no illusions that anyone in the world needs my haskomo for anything at all.

The Wolf

Can we take a step back for a moment?

Does anyone here actually know who this kabbalist is? Granted, I’m not up on my mekubalim, but this is a name I’ve never heard of before. Of course my lack of recognition at the name doesn’t mean he doesn’t exist, but I’d like to at least hear from a person or two who *does* have some experience with this person.

Thanks,

The Wolf

throw the BT’s to the wolves

<Homer Simposon> MMMMM.....   BTs...... </Homer Simpson>



::drool::

The Wolf

2. Where did I say that wearing a shtreimel “makes” you chassidish?

Above: “Ok, so if a person wears a shtreimel and like the look and feels comfortable with it, then he is chassidish”

I won’t go in circles. I think I explained myself enough.

Fair enough. It’s a silly argument anyway and, as HLM says, it’s completely off-topic anyway.

The Wolf

how would you propose to do this if this was YOUR board?

Here’s what I would do.

Firstly, I’d make it an explicit rule that users must agree to.

Secondly, if someone gets caught doing so, warn them.

Thirdly, do it enough times (twice, thrice, whatever…) then ban them.

Yes, I know that you can’t 100% prevent it from happening. I’m not suggesting that it’s possible to prevent a person from posting under someone else’s account if they are so inclined.

Here, however, the practice of “guest posting” is not only tolerated but expressly allowed (see HIE’s account). That, IMHO, is bad policy. I think users have the right to expect that if they see “WolfishMusigns” as the author of a post that it’s actually me (to the best of the board’s ability to enforce that). There’s no reason why users, seeing a contradiction in my posts, should have to figure out “now which Wolf was that…”

The Wolf

Ok, so if a person wears a shtreimel and like the look and feels comfortable with it, then he is chassidish (excluding yerushalayim). If that person says that he is MO then something is wrong with him.

Wearing a streimel makes you chassidish?

I suppose if I wear a black hat/white shirt and slacks but proclaim myself MO then something is wrong with me too?

Since I don’t follow any one mehalech (I mix and match from different mehalchim in my life) does that mean that I have to mix and match different “uniform” parts?

Sorry, as I said earlier, I believe people are defined by their beliefs and actions — not the clothes they wear. I don’t believe that wearing a streimel makes you chassidish. Granted, most people who wear streimels are chassidish, but to say that the streimel makes you chassidish is confusing the cause and effect.

The Wolf

I’m planning to go to NH next week with my husband and baby. Where should we stay? what is there to do?

Wow! That was quick. Just four days ago you were telling us that you were going on your first date and didn’t know what to talk about.

What to Talk About on a Bishow

Now you have a husband and baby! That’s pretty good for four days.

The Wolf

Hard to beleive.

Why? Why is it so hard to believe that if I really liked the look, that I would wear one even if I weren’t a chassid. After all, that’s what the scenario was predicated on — that I really like the look (and hence I’d be comfortable with it).

The reality is that I don’t particularly like it for myself, but if I did, I don’t see why not?

The Wolf

If you start wearing a shtreimel, it doesn’t make you chassidish. But if you would absolutely love the shtreimel look, you wouldn’t wear it either, because Chassidim wear shtreimlech.

Why not? Is there some rule that says that it’s assur for a non-Chassid to wear a streimel? If I truly loved the streimel look (which I don’t), then I would wear it, regardless of my hashkafah.

That proves that we are categorized by our clothing.

No, it does not.

The Wolf

Busha means shame and is almost always used negatively.

but the Yidden as a nation are called beyshunim

I had temporarily forgotten that reference. I officially retract the point and ask your apologies.

The Wolf

This has gone from a halachic discussion to one of hashkafa.

When has a CR thread ever NOT gone off-track after the first page (and very often before)?

🙂

The Wolf

When Jewish women, the foundation of her family cheapens herself, it drags the whole family and future generations down with her.

Why limit to women? The same thing could be said for men.

The Wolf