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I would until I asked my Rov/Posek (which would be ASAP) and he clarified it yea or nay.
You’ll notice that I predicated my answer on having no other source of information available. So, assuming you didn’t have the opportunity to ask a Posek, would you not think about elephants on Tuesdays if I told you in no uncertain terms that it was 100% forbidden?
The Wolf
Someone tells you that chazir is treif, but can’t point to the specific page and paragraph where it so says, but nevertheless advises you in no uncertain terms that it is 100% treif, you will wave him off as you head for your next portion of bacon?
So, Joseph, will you now stop thinking about elephants on Tuesdays if I tell you in no uncertain terms that it is 100% certain that it is forbidden?
The Wolf
Answer my point about eating chazir.
I did — with my question. In other words, if I had absolutely no other information to go on and I had no other inclination that eating chazir is prohibited by the Torah, I would not refrain based on your say so alone. Is that really such a shock? Your very question is predicated on the knowledge that I already know that chazir is forbidden. But if I had no such knowledge and no way to find out differently, why should I refrain based *solely* on your say so?
So, again, why do I have to take things based solely on your say so (i.e. deformed malachim) but you don’t have to have to accept my word based on my say so (not thinking about elephants)? I answered your question, now answer mine.
The Wolf
See Mod 80’s point about sources.
Answer my question about thinking about elephants on Tuesdays. If you’re going to posit that I have to accept stuff based on your say so (via your comment about eating chazir) why don’t you have to accept stuff on my say so?
The Wolf
I just completed my MBA. I was 38 when I started.
The short answer is, no — you’re not crazy to start at this age.
The Wolf
So if you never knew chazir was treif and someone told you so but didn’t know the “source”, you would continue eating chazir until someone proved the source to you?
So, by the same token, if I told you that there was a halacha that says that you can’t think of the word “elephant” on Tuesdays, will you continue to ignore it until I provided a source to you?
In other words, why should I believe you that such a thing as a deformed malach even exists? Just on your say so?
The Wolf
For every properly pronounced word you create a good malach who will testify on your behalf.
Again, assertions without any sources. Nothing I’m required to believe.
The Wolf
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The Wolf
Mazal Tov. That’s wonderful news. May SJS and family have much nachas from the new baby girl.
The Wolf (who does not consume baby girls).
It says a TC “avoids wrongdoing”. A rasha clearly does not. There alone you have proof a rasha cannot be a TC
Why? I avoid wrongdoing. The fact that I inevitably fall into it proves that the two are not mutually exclusive. I avoid wrongdoing, but since I do fall into it, I am a rasha. Were I more learned, I could also be a TC.
But in any event, let’s say for the sake of argument that I concede the point. Now let’s get back to your deformed malachim.
You know, as I was davening today, I noticed that I inadvertently mispronounced at least four or five words — and I have (IMHO) above average pronunciation skills. Based on your argument, I created four or five deformed malachim to testify against me. Most people probably created more. Perhaps we’re better off just not davening then. After all, if I skip davening, I have one bad malach testifying against me. When I daven, unless I get every word perfect, I get several. Clearly davening is a losing proposition for me (and, I venture, for most people).
The Wolf
clearly a rasha cannot fit into that definition.
Why? I have some of those attributes and I am a rasha. Clearly a rasha can have some of those attributes.
And, again, this is all beside the point to the issue at hand.
The Wolf
But of course, all this is just a smokescreen so as to allow you to say “well, I have a source for my statement regarding deformed melachim, but I’m not going to bring it…”
The Wolf
Actually, you did not source it. You said that the Gemara elaborates the attributes of a TC, but you did not tell me where the Gemara is. Furthermore, while you did list some of those attributes, none of them are impossible to find in someone whom you would consider to be a rasha. Heck, you might even find some of them in me.
The Wolf
Furthermore, in looking at the sources you’ve brought, they all concern either a Shliach Tzibur or a Kohen who will duchen — in other words, cases where people are saying things for the tzibbur. They do NOT, however, cases of private tefillah.
The Wolf
Thanks for the reminder.
I don’t want to go into it further in this thread (since it’s not the subject at hand), but suffice it to say you did not bring a source. You simply made an assertion that the definition of a TC is not open to opinion. Your assertion is not a source.
I did, however, admit that I was a kofer and not a TC, something I think we can both agree on.
The Wolf
its pl A tonic, not pl U tonic
You know, some of us don’t use tonic at all. 🙂
The Wolf
I produced to the source per your challenge proving a rasha who knows Kol HaTorah Kula is NOT a “Talmid Chochom” and you dismissed it after saying you are free to believe as you wish, and did not “concede the point” as you claim above to do.
I don’t recall that. Please produce a link to the thread in question.
Thanks,
The Wolf
Even if I can’t find the source doesn’t make the source go away or the point any less real because one person in America forgot where the source is.
And I’m under no requirement to believe that it is real just based on your say-so. As such, until you can prove otherwise, I’m free to consider it baloney and nonsense.
If you do provide a source that proves the point, I will be more than happy to change my opinion.
The Wolf
Feh… who is the posek who even allows women to be in cars in the first place? 🙂
The Wolf
no one is compelled to produce a source
no one is compelled to retract if he so fails to do
Fine. I will change my wording.
Produce a source or I will feel free to completely disregard what you say and consider it complete baloney and nonsense.
The Wolf
Here are some related discussions on Mesechtes Megillah 24 that I found online on a daf yomi sources prepared by Rabbi P. Feldman
of Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim:
Once again, you’ve answered the question that no one asked.
No one disputes the importance of pronouncing words correctly during davening. You weren’t asked to produce sources to that point… I could have done that too.
You were asked to produce a source that shows that when a person mispronounces a word, “a deformed malach is created that will testify against him in Beis Din shel Mala.”
Please provide the source to that or retract.
Thanks,
The Wolf
Besides, it’s so much fun seeing a bunch of people attacking the idea and then when the source comes they all fall silent.
You should know from our discussions in the past that if someone shows me that I am wrong and that they are right, that I do not “fall silent.” I will concede the point.
The Wolf
Pac/Man,
I’m still waiting on that source.
The Wolf
Women are from Venus
Ah, maybe that explains why they always feel like they’re under so much pressure. 🙂
The Wolf
Perhaps we need a sticky FAQ thread at the top…
The Wolf
female plutonic friend
You had a friend from Pluto?? (Let me guess, she gave you the cold shoulder?? 🙂 )
The Wolf
Heh… in the end, we ended up having four pareve or milchig meals. We had one meal (Wednesday night) planned for fleishigs, but we decided that:
a. We had plenty of leftovers from the first two meals
b. We didn’t want to start cooking fleishigs at 9:00pm.
So, we decided to save the chicken for Shabbos and instead have all milchig or pareve.
The Wolf
Sacrilege – It is assur M’DORAISA for males and females to be friends with each other.
My wife is my best friend. Last time I checked, I was male and she was female.
I guess we’re just sinners. 🙂
The Wolf
Over Yom Tov, I read a sefer on the halachic positions of the Rav. One of the cases involved a young widow whose yavam was missing his right foot, preventing her from performing chalitza.
The Rav investigated the matter and ruled that due to the circumstances (i.e. the alternative being that she remain an agunah), yibum could be performed with the proviso that the couple divorce immediately afterward.
The Wolf
For the record, I am totally and utterly shocked that this thread has been here for over an hour and no one has yet commented that Shavuous cards are not Jewish in origin, are chukos HaGoy, etc. 🙂
The Wolf
but leave out the self-deprecation
Yikov Hadin es Hahar. If it’s deserved then it’s deserved.
The Wolf
Whenever one mispronounces a word in tefila, a deformed malach is created that will testify against him in Beis Din shel Mala.
Cite?
The Wolf (who does NOT like being muzzled)
Mods,
Am I no longer allowed to ask Joseph for a cite?
The Wolf
Whenever one mispronounces a word in tefila, a deformed malach is created that will testify against him in Beis Din shel Mala.
Cite?
The Wolf
He explained to us that it is Pikuah nefesh to a girl not to sleep through the night.
In what way is it pikuach nefesh for a girl to stay up but not for a boy to stay up?
The Wolf
Do you likewise have similar complaints against Chock Full of Nuts since they don’t really know if their coffee is served in Heaven.
Have the folks at Maxwell House really tasted every drop?
Do you have complaints against Coca Cola since I highly doubt they truly wanted to buy the world a Coke?
Do you have complaints about the Army since they advertise “Be All You Can Be” when there are things you cannot be if you join the Army (a civilian, for one)?
How about Exxon since they obviously don’t put a tiger in your tank?
Or John Deere, because I’m pretty sure that other things do, indeed, run like a Deere?
I have yet to hear a cat ask for “Meow Mix.” Yet they say cats ask for it by name. Do you have similar anger towards them?
Contrary to what Morton Salt says, it does not always pour when it rains.
Do all (or even most) champions really eat Wheaties for Breakfast?
Or is it possible that a certain amount of hyperbole is acceptable in advertising?
The Wolf
How about a compromise… such as a hat of a different color? This way you get to wear a hat and your father doesn’t view it as a “black hat.”
Or is a gray hat the sign of an apikorus? (Perhaps I should get a gray hat?)
The Wolf
I’ve been the beneficiary of having it said out loud several times. Since it’s toward the end of davening, it’s easy to forget. Someone reminding you in the middle of davening is not necessarily a bad thing (although I would never do so myself).
My beef is when one person says it out loud and then another person says it less than two seconds later. Does he think that we’re *that* stupid (well, yes, I know that I am — but most people in the shul aren’t) to have forgotten less than two seconds later? Or is he just trying to “prove” that he said it (why? Is someone going to confront him about it later on?)?
The Wolf
great, thanks, i knew i could count on you
Hey, if you can’t count on me to utterly mess things up beyond all hope of salvage or redemption, who can you count on?
The Wolf
please do not reply to this post.
Fine. I won’t. 🙂
The Wolf
please leave the moderators out of the discussion of your frustration.
Fair enough. However, I did ask above if a moderator could at least bring this to the attention of TPTB. None of the moderators even said anything along the lines of “we’ll pass your question along” or “we passed it along but the boss ignored us” or anything else to indicate that they even saw it.
Were you *required* to pass my request along? No, you weren’t. But I didn’t think it deserved to be ignored either.
The Wolf
*All rules are subject to change without notice.
Within reason.
Or, if the mods announce that, as of three days ago (when the rules changed without notice), there was a $50 per post fee, are you going to pay up?
But even so, asking what the *current* policy is not unreasonable and the fact that neither the official moderators or the owner of the site has even said “hey, we’ll look into it and get back to you” (let alone come back with an actual answer) is disturbing to say the least.
I don’t think my question is unreasonable. If we’re going to contribute to this site, we ought to know what our rights are concerning what we post. If asking a simple question such as this makes me a troublemaker, then fine, I’ll be a troublemaker. But I’d still like to know the answer.
The Wolf
Wolf, the answer you get may not be so straight…the ToS were changed recently, i’m not sure when, but it was definitely after my request.
I can’t do anything about the past. I would, however, like to know what the policy is going forward. It’s not an unreasonable request — and the official silence that I am receiving about it is deafening.
The Wolf
Mods,
Any answer to my question on the previous page as to whether YWN asserts simply the right to use or exclusive rights?
This is an important question to answer and impacts how I may interact with the boards in the future.
The Wolf
Why is this a “MUST READ?”
The Wolf