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Just intuition you can discount that if you like but i have alot of experience in matters like these.
Okay. If you say so.
The Wolf
My mind often skips over the apostrophe in the title, seeing it as Dr. Bos.
Dr. Bo = cow?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bos
The Wolf
More than one folk (charliehall and mikehall) are arguing in favor of jeans because a (frei) Jew started the company.
… which is really irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Who else argues for (or against) something should not be a determinant as to whether that thing is good or bad.
The Wolf
It could be wolf but its not
How do you know that? Did you see a guest list and confirm that your name is not on it? Did you actually speak to one of the ba’alei simcha?
(I’m not intending to be confrontational… just curious as to how you know it.)
The Wolf
Levi Strauss was just as Jewish as Bernie Madoff.
Which is almost certainly more Jewish than whoever invented the streimel. 🙂 Or the necktie, with which no one seems to have any problem.
The Wolf
I know it’s off-topic, but whenever I see this thread, the first thing that pops into my head is “Dr. Cow” and a mental image of a heifer with a white lab coat and a stethoscope. 🙂
The Wolf
It could be something as simple as getting lost in the mail, dropping out of the pile/bag on the way to the post office, or any of a half-dozen other explanations that don’t imply anything about you personally.
The Wolf
that every time someone hears, they are in shock or don’t believe you for a good ten minutes… but your happy….
Don’t worry about what other people think. If the two of you seem right for each other, just go out and have fun.
You don’t have to live your life to your friends’ expectations.
The Wolf
Nothing.
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The Wolf
The Supreme Court refuses to hear most cases submitted to it.
That’s absolutely true. It could very well end up in a lower Federal court or even a state court since the California Constitution also protects religious practices.
From Article I, Section 4 of the California Constitution:
SEC. 4. Free exercise and enjoyment of religion without
discrimination or preference are guaranteed. This liberty of
conscience does not excuse acts that are licentious or inconsistent with the peace or safety of the State. The Legislature shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.
The Wolf
There is no way 5 justices would allow this law to stand. 3 of them are jewish (I know Ruth Bader Ginsburg has met Bais Yaakov School groups)
I highly doubt that any Justice of the Supreme Court is going to rule that way solely because they are Jewish.
That being said, I’m kind of curious how this works since medicine is (I’m fairly certain) regulated by the state and not the city.
The Wolf
I think a person’s cell phone background says a lot about them and what they hold dear..
Mine is the background that it came with. It says that I hold laziness, inaction and inertia dear.
The Wolf
Everyone passes on their zchusim to their children and grandchildren.
Not everyone. I don’t have any z’chusim to pass on. Even if I did, they would be so hopelessly corrupted that anyone would be better off not having them.
The Wolf
That’s painful to contemplate. How can one write off even one day of Yeshiva?
OK, do *you* know of a school that will take him for one month? Because I can’t think of one.
The Wolf
Wolf, he was accepted for next zman, not this one.
Ah, thanks for the clarification.
Considering it’s already late-May, I think you have to write this z’man off as lost.
The Wolf
I live up to my name. I make sure to check for fleas and bite a few passers-by every month or so.
The Wolf
I live too far away. Besides, I other have plans for Lag B’omer.
The Wolf
He had one Faher and was told he is accepted in that Yeshiva, next zman. Its not really a time to take new Bochurim now, so now what???
I’m confused… if he was accepted in a yeshiva, what is the problem?
The Wolf
Yichus gives you a feeling as being part of the elite; like when you attend her family simchas and you are represented as being part of their elite club.
Big furry deal. I don’t need an artifical “elite” feeling. If I earn elite status, that’s one thing. But to have it simply because I married into it? No thanks.
Also usually ‘protektzia’ comes together with yichus. This can help with getting yourself a good job or getting your children into the mosdos of your choice.
If a place is going to accept/reject my kids simply because of who their grandfather was regardless of the actual content of his/her character, then I’m better off without them.
Additionally, yichus can give you immediate public recognition, since people will naturally assume that you must be something special if a yichusdik family took you for a son in law.
Again, I don’t need fame-by-association. If I want it, I’d rather have it because I earned it in my own right.
The Wolf
If you go back 10 generations, you have 1024 ancestors at that level. Meaning you have 1024 great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparents.
Actually, you probably have far less than 1024, as there is more than likely considerable crossover.
The Wolf
So looking for someone with a good sense of humor would not be a consideration for you, since it is more important to find a healthy person?
Did I say that?
The Wolf
Wolf: who said at the expense of something else?
It has to be at the expense of something else… unless you’re positing two candidates that are otherwise completely equal.
Considering the fact that I consider “personal preference” to be a factor that outweighs z’chus avos (as in “I would rather marry him/her”), I find it hard to consider a case where any potential “z’chus avos” would even come into consideration.
The Wolf
Wouldn’t someone want his children to have the z’chus avos of the tzaddikim who were ancestors of his spouse?
Not at the expense of far more important factors.
The Wolf
It’s relevant to those whose parents choose their spouse today.
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you are supposed to look at the way the avos did things….I think the parents should do the main leg-work but leave the actual decision to the child
Interesting….
Avraham didn’t do the leg work, he sent a trusted servant to do so.
Yitzchok and Rivka didn’t date at all.
Avraham waited until Yitzchak was in his late thirties before finding a shidduch.
According to one midrash, he married his adult son off to a three year old.
Given all these facts to be true, why is the fact that Avraham chose the wife considered to be so important that we must emulate it today, whereas all these other facts can simply be discarded as “that’s not the way things are done today?”
The Wolf
Eeees doesn’t mind when I shave or have a beard. She does, however, hate the first week after it starts growing while the stubble is still “spiky.” After that, she’s fine with it.
The Wolf
Who picked a wife for Yitzchok Avinu?
And how is that relevant to how spouses are chosen today?
The Wolf
You don’t “owe” the shadchan a reason. You’re perfectly within your rights to simply say no.
Of course, the shadchan would then be within his/her rights to not find anyone else for you.
The Wolf
A relative of mine has not yet been accepted in a yeshiva this zman. 15 year old in Broooklyn. No major problems, an average boy with regular learning capabilities.
Is he going into ninth grade? Tenth? Elventh?
How many places has he applied to?
Have any of the places given him any feedback as to why he was rejected?
The Wolf
I agree with you, but the world is that everyone in society has to think they are better than the next guy.
I don’t have a problem with that… provided you truly are better than the next guy. You’ve learned Shas? Wonderful! You’ve started a successful business? Terrific. You’ve met some other personal, professional or spiritual goal that you’ve set for yourself? Congratulations. All those things may, indeed, make you better than “the next guy.” But who your parents are? Sorry… that’s just a lucky accident. It’s almost like saying that a millionaire is a great finance wizard when all he did was win the lottery.
What do you do if you’re just a plain person?
The correct answer (yeah, I know, I’m dreaming “pie in the sky”) is that you better yourself.
The Wolf
would not be happy if my father thought about himself that way.
Well then, I guess it’s a good thing for you that I’m not your father.
The Wolf
BTW do you shtomm from shvartzi wolf? Is that why you use the hei hayidiuh?
Can you please translate “shtomm?”
The Wolf
That is, unless gramps is moving in!:)
Touche!
The Wolf
We are merely .05% of the world population (if that). Our achievements in proportion to our numbers are staggering. Has that nothing to do with yichus? And no, not “everyone” is special(hence the hatred of the nations throughout history)
We are talking about shidduchim here. Since you would never consider a non-Jew for a shidduch anyway, it doesn’t matter how small we are compared to the rest of the world. For the purposes of shidduchim, the “universe” consists only of Jews and, in that regard (converts excluded), we are *all* descended from Avraham, Yitzchok and Ya’akov… so, for the purposes of shidduchim, it’s nothing special — since everyone has those attributes.
The Wolf
How many bucherim still dont have a Yeshiva this zman?
I don’t know, but if you’re trying to make a point, perhaps you can provide more details. Are you talking about a specific geographic location? A specific hashkafah? A specific age level? Are you talking about right now or do you mean September/Elul?
And, lastly, if there is such a problem, perhaps you’d like to elaborate why there are so many (if there are) bochrim not enrolled for next year.
The Wolf
i think its a trick by wolf. i think he talks of himself like that so he could hear all the good stuff everyone has to say about him…. 🙂
If that’s what you want to believe, so be it.
To the rest of you, thank you for your kind words. You’re mistaken, of course, but it’s nonetheless nice to know that people care. 🙂
The Wolf
It seems to me that if a child is old enough to be married he or she is old enough to be involved in the details.
Or even date without their parents’ prior approval.
The Wolf
you cant understand
I always find that to be a cop-out answer. Almost anything that can be conceptualized can be explained. I may not agree with you at the end of the day, but that doesn’t mean that I can’t understand.
Instead of telling me that I’m incapable of understanding something, how about trying to explain it to me.
The Wolf
when you will have a child in shidduchim and you are offered two equally suitable prospects but one has yichus and the other doesn’t – which one would you choose and WHY??
Whichever one my child wants!! Because s/he is the one who has to live with the spouse.
The Wolf
The worthless rogue who should be shunned and exiled to a distant land for holding unconventional views, being stupid and a pain and bother to everyone around him.
The Wolf
And it was noted last time that the people who were saying that yichus is nothing at all, were, understandably those without.
Ah, so you think we “gutter bloods” are jealous of your holy ancestors?
Sorry, I don’t get jealous over things over which I have no control. I may be jealous of your learning, of your personal piety, and many other things. But of your ancestry? No, sorry.
I take pride in things I can accomplish. My parents and grandparents have their own successes, but I take no pride in them because I had no part in them. I’m happy for them for their success, just like I’d be happy for my neighbor if he suddenly did something wonderful. But to take pride in it? Sorry, not me.
When the time comes for shidduchim for my kids, I’m not going to give any candidate one bit of preference because their great-grandfather was someone special over someone whose great-grandfather was a simple person. I will encourage my kids to pay attention to the candidate him/herself… not any yichus that they may or may not have had.
But yeah, what do I know. As you pointed out…
But it is something that is worthwhile considering. For loads of reasons. Which anyone with an ounce of sense can understand.
… I obviously don’t have an ounce of sense.
The (completely and utterly senseless) Wolf
I thought albatross was a type of tuna fish. The lighter one.
That’s albacore. Albatross is a bird with a very large wingspan.
Read “The Rime* of the Ancient Mariner” sometime.
The Wolf
* Yes, I spelled it correctly.
Let’s not pretend- we are all proud
Who’s pretending?
When it comes to marriage, I couldn’t care less who your grandfather is.
we are all proud that we are bnei avrohom yitzchok and yaakov.
Big deal. We all are. To paraphrase a movie line: “If everyone’s special then no one is.”
The Wolf
if someone has sketchy yichus you should definately use caution. Even if the person seems wonderfull.
Thank goodness you’re too old to date my kids. Not that you’d want to anyway, considering the fact that almost no one in my family is frum.
The Wolf
So long as it’s not a four letter word?
Whatever you like.
The Wolf
should I call you “The” Wolf?
You can call me whatever you like. It doesn’t really matter.
The Wolf
Once thing that I think
Did I really say that? My God — my proofreading skills must be horrible.
The Wolf
The most important “yichus” a person has is him/herself. Any other ancestors are secondary.
In other words, if the person him/herself is unworthy, it doesn’t matter who the ancestors are. If they are worthy, then their lack of worthy ancestors (which is something over which they have no control) should not be held against them.
The Wolf
While I, in no way, mean to compare myself in any way to Shraga Fievel Mendlowitz, I do find some small comfort in the fact that, like him, I too object whenever anyone addresses me as Rabbi.
The Wolf
the wolf: you can’t be born OTD. thus, what you are saying is that you are a ba’al teshuvah.
I didn’t dispute the latter point, but your prior point is incorrect. I was, indeed, born OTD.
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That wasn’t said about what we commonly refer to as “ba’alei teshuva” today. But that aside, even if it does, it doesn’t apply to me as no one would want to stand where I stand anyway.
And adorable, I agree with Mod-80 (not that he needs someone like me to agree with him)… please, no more ALL CAPS.
The Wolf
Once thing that I think we’re all dancing around is the unexplored middle.
If, indeed, the kid willingly and knowingly broke a school rule as important as this, I think we can agree that some punishment is in order. Was there no punishment between “nothing” and “explusion” that could have been applied?
The Wolf