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@somejew

look in chazon ish in start of YD . think siman gimmel that tinokot shenishbu is assur to hate .

look in rambam hilchot mamrim 3:3 where he says that tinikot shenishbu is mitsva to love.

you cannot paskin nowadays on basis of avot der natan.

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@ menachem

According to you , R Rivkin z’l was properly accepted in habad . Even after his public disagreement with your infallible rebbi.
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Accepted – like the rebbetsin of the rayats ?

Or like the eldest daughter of the rayats ?

Would you define them as ‘accepted’ in habad ?

Guessing here that menachem is ‘not in the mood’ right now ….

Am happy to hear honest assessments as response those questions .

Is it true that a habadi nowadays feels more at ease with a mehalel shabbat than with a fully frum haredi non habadi ?

If All other matters being equal, it is a tremendous zhut to live in Gods Palace asher enei hashem mereishit shana ad ahrit shana.
To be mekayem mitsvat yishuv haarets ….

Israel ranks second in the world , in the “Happpiness index”.

@somejew

I heard from a belzer hasid who is ne’eman alai kevei trei that rav ahron mibelz z’l said the same thing as the [fanfiction in your language] artscroll quote from y rosenblum re where the homeless Jews after the war would/ could have gone to.

Imrai Emet writes in osef mihtavim that zhuyot for jews in EY obtained by the secular is a ‘good thing’ .

So Rosenblum’s quote of R Y Kamenetski is lav davka untrustworthy.

Part of satmar tactics in debates which I have observed over the years , is the ability of shutting out uncomfortable opinions of erliche rabanim, by

1] denying the veracity of the quote, ad kedei throwing aspersions of lying on the most dependable talmidei hahamim.

2] if no 1 is impossible , denigrating the rav quoted [himself] as not erlich.

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They will resort to any of those subterfuges, as long as they do not have to admit to legitimate hilukei dei’ot between bona fide gdolei torah from both sides.
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Message to somejew, ujm and katan :

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There is black . There is white.

There are infinite shades of grey.

Some people see only the first two.

They are missing out.

And do not merit to see the world as it really is.

And therefore live in olam hadimyon.

And cannot understand , even if they would want – the majority of people who see the world as it really is.
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Nebach.
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Why do hahmei habad who were higi’u le’hora’a regard the last leader and rebbi of the habad hasidim as infallible ?

Is there any clear source for this ?

Or is this just a feeling ?

Or are they concerned that they would be considered as ‘traitors’ or ‘guilty of treason’ [like the late author of ashkavte devei rebbi] if they would give a voice to the possibility of him being fallible ?

Even Menachem who valiantly tries to defend all other habad issues , has kept on walking very far around this issue.

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Any response ??
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ujm:

We should all sing together the song that HaGaon HaRav Sholom Ber Sorotzkin shlit”a sang at his son’s chasuna a few weeks ago in Eretz Yisroel, together with the entire Yeshivas Ateres Shlomo and thousands of other attendees at the Chasuna:

<b>G-d is our King,

We are his servants

The holy Torah is our Law

We are loyal to it.

We do not recognize the Heretic Zionist Regime

Its laws do not apply to us

We walk in the ways of the Torah

In fire and water

We walk in the ways of the Torah

To Sanctify the Name of Heaven
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LOL.
ujm wants us to follow rav sorotskin ….

Is ujm USING rav sorotskin here , or
is he so taken by his new rebbi , rav sorotskin, that he encourages all of us to follow his new da’at torah ?

This Q is easily proven ….

What will ujm say when rav sorotskin will suddenly advocate for voting for the knesset or voting in the WZO ….

Think we all know the answer …..

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Yaakov Yosef is writing ‘to the point’.

NARROWMINDED HAKATAN IS INVITED TO READ AND TAKE TO HEART THIS FOLLOWING POST. [from smerel]

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The Brisker Rav noted that the “State” the Zionists have achieved is the “greatest triumph of the satan since the sin of the golden calf” – [KATAN]
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This is SHEKER GAMUR and a tremendous disgrace to the Brisker Rav and Torah true Judaism.

Firstly whatever your view on Zionism is there is no way anyone can argue that they are worse than Yeruvem ben Nevat who made actual real egels and forced the majorty of Klal Yisroel to worship them. They aren’t worse than Menashe who burnt every single sefer torah in all of Eretz Yisroel (according to most opinions) and turned the Beis Hamakdush itself into a place of idol worship. They aren’t worse than the Yesvekitzia who successfully helped in the shmad of the three million people Jewish community in Russia. (The Yesvekitzia also persecuted Zionists with the same zeal as they persecuted frum people)

Secondly the Brisker Rav was of the opinion that the anti-Zionist belief that attributes the state of Israel and all of its succusses to the Sotton borders of Kefira. It elevates the Sotton to having power of a deity R”L. It is not so different (if at all) from them non-Jewish idolatrous view that all evil in the world exists because of the Satan. The Sotton does not “triumph” R’L . He does what Hashem gives him power to do.

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BESIDES, AM STILL WAITING FOR KATANS ANSWER TO MY -following – POST:

Imagine a dr who treats his patients according how they would or should have presented …

Any dr will tell you – you treat the patient according to their condition at the time of presentation.

Time to wake up to reality.

Reality is there is no formula now which will safekeep your own brothers and sisters.

Besides if you are willing to sacrifice them on the altar of your ideology …..
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Which sounds eerily similar to your constant accusations against your own opponents – those despicable zionists ….

Maybe you will find yourself in good company after all ….

Don’t they say ‘opposites attract’ ??

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Mordechai is right.
The real hypocrisy are those lefties who suppress democracy for their own benefit , misusing the concept of democracy itself.
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Why is menachem only answering selected posts ?

Why is he ignoring certain ones and responding to others ?

Is it only depending on ‘his mood’ at the time ?

Or does it also have to do with the content – and whether or not a palatable response is available ?

Will we merit to receive an honest response on this one ?

Hope so ….
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Nu.

Where is katan ?

Opposites attract.

Both, katan and his Zionists, are ignoring the present state of their brothers and sisters , because their blind adherence to their ideology.

Waiting for a TO THE POINT answer ….
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@ujm

And the more of the openly kofrim that win, the more the truly confused Jews who really don’t know the difference between orthodoxy and their reform copycatters, the more those confused jews will follow those copycatters.

On your head.
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menachem to yb:

Is it true that rabbi Rivkin’s ashkavte devei rebbi is not considered ‘acceptable reading material’ in habad mosdot ?

Y or N ?
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Completely false. All my years in yeshiva, never heard of such a thing. Ashkavta D’Rebbi is considered one of the most respected seforim on Chabad rabbeim, quoted many hundreds of times in Chabad seforim for history and minhagim. I’ve never heard of any objection to it.

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All of menachems years in yeshiva ….. .

Were menachems years in yeshiva before , or after the ‘herem story’ ?

We do not know menachems age, so it could be that his yeshiva years were before the RY’s disagreement with his rebbi.

According the habad sources I have consulted , the sefer ashkavte d’Rebbi is now on the same level as Rav Shaul Shimon Deutchs multi volume biography about the late rebbi of the habad.

Meaning they both are classified as ‘non allowable’ reading materiel.
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@yaakov yosef

FYI.
r yishak meir levin was a full minister in israels first government after the elections of 1949.
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@741

You are missing the point.

We are not taking part in a blame game – habad are bad because they murdered the RY.

Thats not the point at all.

The point is that sof kol sof the RY paid with his life for the mere fact that he respectfully proclaimed in front of everyone that in his learned opinion the rebbi of the habad hasidim is fallible and can make a mistake.

Which serves as an example and clear message for anyone else possibly entertaining similar thoughts.

Which explains very well why no one in habad itself , ever since, dared to voice any support to the possibility their leader making a mistake.

As was and still is practised in all other ‘normal’ communities , all around the globe.

Even when the evidence and plain logic overwhelmingly point to the other direction.
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I simply cannot understand why no one engages with the substance of the argument …

All they do , is , commenting as if the substance is not there at all, or is something else altogether ….
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HaKatan is using realities from one to two hundred years ago to experiment with the lives and well being of countless yiddishe families in the twentyf irst century. .

There is no country in the world who is interested in sovereignty over EY , willing to sacrifice their own youth to keep aliens safe and secure in the face of the most barbaric and violent monsters on the face of this planet.

This is as clear as day, to anyone not blinded from seeing the sun.
Unlike katan and ujm whose extreme and inflexible brainwash are blinding them from seeing what’s obvious and right in front of their own noses.
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First Menachem might be ‘too busy’ to answer.

Or ‘not in the mood’.

Then he seems to be a serial victim, nebach.

He might be ‘offended’.

Or the victim of ‘blood libels’.

He has all the specific answers at the ready – to all the specific questions.

Thats beyond doubt.

That goes without saying.

Just one problem . For some mysterious reason he is not sharing them with us.

That mysterious reason has nothing to do with the ‘palatability’ of his ‘secret’ , but ready and available answers ….
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@square

It’s not me who doesn’t like it.

Its gdolei yisrael who don’t like it.

They don’t like it.

They don’t like to the writers.

And the copiers.

So the complaints are at the right address.
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@menachem

Could you answer the following please –

Is it true that rabbi Rivkin’s ashkavte devei rebbi is not considered ‘acceptable reading material’ in habad mosdot ? Y or N ?

Is it true that rabbi rivkin was niftar after falling from the stairs in his own home as a result of the redifot he suffered because he declined to join your maham shilo in putting this politician in herem ? Y or N ?

After you answer – honestly of course – should we talk about blood libels …..
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Btw. — you totally ignored the substance of my post …….
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yaakov yosef is correct.

Bottom line – it seems that there is no objective source that the late habad leader was infallible.

We pressed the habadi’s again and again and there is nothing objective and logical forthcoming.

We Never despair and there still might be something logical and objective there.

But until further notice we all should assume that the late habad rebbi’s supposed infallibility is nothing more than a supposition.

A baseless supposition , that is.

Not only baseless but contradictory to Milenia of Jewish thought and practice as recorded in countless cases all over the tora spanning from the gemara to todays poskim.

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@dak

IT IS RAV ASHER WEISS – not asher weiss.
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Thank you.
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