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  • in reply to: Tiferes Shlomo and the modern State of Israel #2464080
    yankel berel
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    @somejew

    galut includes :

    shibud malhuyot in the form of onerous taxes specifically on the jews

    shibud malhuyot as they interfere with kiyum hamitsvot

    lack of malhut beit david

    dispersion of the yehudim all around the world

    being far from EY

    lacking the avoda

    lacking the tahara engendered by hakravat hakorbanot

    lacking the BHMK

    lacking hashra’at hashechina

    the tsa’ar hashchina

    physical tsarot as a result of shibud malhuyot

    the immense power of the se’or sheba’issa or the yetser hara

    the fact that most of the world’s inhabitants are not aware of the RBSHO and his torah

    lacking the required menucha needed to delve into torah properly

    lacking batei din smuchim

    that is as far as my mind goes at this moment

    all of the above is included in galut

    and will be restored when mashiach will come , may it be soon in our days
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    in reply to: The Fourth Reich of “Israel” #2464073
    yankel berel
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    @somejew

    simcha is not an evil man

    simcha is a mistaken man
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    in reply to: The Fourth Reich of “Israel” #2464071
    yankel berel
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    @somejew

    simcha is not an evil man .

    people who died to save the community in the IDF are on the level of harugei lud .

    thats the written opinion of rav chaim shmulevits zatsal.

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    in reply to: Tiferes Shlomo and the modern State of Israel #2464050
    yankel berel
    Participant

    have not forgotten

    will post bln
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    in reply to: Going OTD in the IDF #2464051
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @somejew

    zionism is not necessarily a heresy

    but that is subject of another conversation we are having on another thread

    where you are still waiting for my response
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    in reply to: The Steipler Gaon on Zionism and on the Neteurei Karta #2464052
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @yakov yosef

    bet you that ujm will not answer ….
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    in reply to: The Fourth Reich of “Israel” #2464049
    yankel berel
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    @aaq

    thats not a ‘gutte shailo’ at all

    this is based on a simple lack of understanding
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    no one in his right mind says that re missiles and hostages, no hishtadlut is required —

    what they are saying is : the ‘hishtadlut’ which is specifically requested , i.e.

    enrollment of our precious and impressionable youth [who will end up being the fathers and educators of the subsequent generation] into the army

    will 1] make no material positive difference in the lot of the missiles and hostages anyway

    and 2] will make an enormous negative difference in the essence of our precious youth in 99.999 % of the draftees

    so —

    even though it is true that hishtadlut in general , is required re missiles and hostages , nevertheless

    said particular hishtadlut is not required by said particular youth

    so —

    as a result , using the general and overarching principle in yahadut , that

    whenever hishtadlut by this particular person is not permitted , not possible, or not required , for whatever reason —

    that person should suffice with the following – rely on, and hope for , and pray to HKBH for a speedy salvation

    whereas in the case of stopping the immoral gzera of forced enlistment , said hishtadlut , sometimes – depending on the circumstances, is permitted

    therefore as a result , again , using the general and overarching principle in yahadut , that

    whenever hishtadlut by this particular person is permitted , or required ,

    that person is obligated to do both —

    also

    rely on, and hope for , and pray to HKBH for a speedy salvation

    and also

    put in the required hishtadlut
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    this is not a contradiction at all

    just two age old principles of yahadut , put into practice , in two totally different circumstances
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    by the way – re funding – as far as I am aware , the demonstrations are not against the funding

    they are only against the illegal kidnapping of innocent people

    at the behest of biased crooks masquerading as legal experts …
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    in reply to: 770: A Mikdash or a Madhouse? Rabbonim Must Act Now #2464046
    yankel berel
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    @aaq

    we should not be ‘choosing’ at all …

    all yehudim are precious

    after all , doesnt it say ‘ma chazi dama didach sumak tfei” ?

    and even the so called ‘insincere’ people are also included in the above

    on the other hand , this does not make aberrations, part of judaism , either
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    we should not be

    in reply to: How do we know that anti-Zionist posters are Jewish? #2464042
    yankel berel
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    @AAQ

    @Avi
    k

    @zsk

    re the hafets hayims postion re zionism

    it is well known that aguda was established as a reaction to mizrachi and its willing affiliation and support of the zionist movement

    hafets hayim was a leading founding member of aguda

    the lack of open writings against zionism from hafes hayim ‘s side , should be attributed to tactical reasons , not to strategy
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    in reply to: How do we know that anti-Zionist posters are Jewish? #2463970
    yankel berel
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    @AAQ

    there is no written tshuva from him re the issue you mention .

    there are reports of an oral one .

    that was not a psak as such , as far as I understand

    that was an etsa , an advice ,

    by the way , from a klal yisrael perspective , with the benefit of hindsight , it was sound advice …
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    in reply to: The Steipler Gaon on Zionism and on the Neteurei Karta #2463568
    yankel berel
    Participant

    clear from the steiplers letter that he is referring to edah hacharedit , and

    not to participants in holocaust denying conferences , nor to participants in PLO demonstrations in the 1970’s
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    in reply to: The Steipler Gaon on Zionism and on the Neteurei Karta #2463566
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @somejew

    your last post got me to laugh

    the unsavory tactics of demonstrating together with people whose hands are stained with Jewish blood

    and participating in Iranian holocaust denying conferences

    are considered unsavory by 99.9 % of orthodox jews

    ranging across the whole spectrum , from satmar to mizrachi

    from talmidei hahamim gedolim umuflagim to amharatsim gemurim

    this [by the way correct] view is held by all of the above , long before my words were posted

    and will stay the same after your defense of their underhanded tactics will be long forgotten already

    it is not motsi shem ra , nor is it lashon hara

    this is pashut to anyone who is part of the 99.9 %
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    in reply to: 770: A Mikdash or a Madhouse? Rabbonim Must Act Now #2463540
    yankel berel
    Participant

    it seems like there are two different qwerty’s on this thread ??
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    in reply to: The Steipler Gaon on Zionism and on the Neteurei Karta #2463553
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @somejew

    I was referring to actions – not to ideology

    the actions of demonstrating together with people stained by Jewish blood is UNSAVORY .

    Yes .

    Definitely .

    whether they are of the same ideology or not, is totally immaterial .
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    in reply to: 770: A Mikdash or a Madhouse? Rabbonim Must Act Now #2463027
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @aaq

    you are right

    the problem is getting bigger and bigger as the years go by

    the only way this can be handled is by voicing our concerns every time it comes up .

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    in reply to: How do we know that anti-Zionist posters are Jewish? #2463026
    yankel berel
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    @aaq

    WW2 started september 1939 with germany and then soviet russia attacking poland

    mir , in eastern poland was conquered by the soviets

    the yeshiva fled mir which was under soviet occupation towards vilna in october 1939 after receiving a clear psak [!] from rav ch’o that they should even be mehalel shabat to do so

    rch’o took the initiative to send telegrams to the yeshivot under soviet occupation at the time

    vilna was also under soviet occupation at the time

    but r’ch’o was told that vilna would be handed over to the then still free and neutral Lithuanian government

    which actually happened a few weeks after the yeshivot arrived in vilna

    the question of yeshivat mir fleeing from vilna to the far east came up later , after the soviet occupation of free lithuania in the summer of 1940

    that was during the period lithuania was occupied by the soviets for the period around one year between the soviet invasion during the summer 1940 and the nazi invasion during june 1941

    during that year the yeshiva was grappling with the question about applying to the soviets for exit visas

    and that was after r’ch’o was niftar already

    at no point was there any ‘psak’ from anyone either way , re the advisability of filing requests to exit the communist ‘paradise’ .
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    in reply to: The Fourth Reich of “Israel” #2462868
    yankel berel
    Participant

    as an aside –

    on the domestic scene —

    the religious in Israel are innocent victims of … prejudiced lawfare by biased crooks masquerading as judges and legal experts

    and ironically …. on the international scene —-

    exactly the same :

    Israel is the innocent victim of …. prejudiced lawfare by biased crooks masquerading as judges and legal experts

    midah keneged midah , hashgacha peratit ……
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    in reply to: Going OTD in the IDF #2462867
    yankel berel
    Participant

    as an aside –

    on the domestic scene —

    the religious in Israel are innocent victims of … prejudiced lawfare by biased crooks masquerading as judges and legal experts

    and ironically …. on the international scene —-

    exactly the same :

    Israel is the innocent victim of …. prejudiced lawfare by biased crooks masquerading as judges and legal experts

    midah keneged midah , hashgacha peratit ……
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    in reply to: The Steipler Gaon on Zionism and on the Neteurei Karta #2462866
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @ujm

    read the steiplers letter in its entirety and tell me, honestly :

    the words ‘neturei karta’ , refer to the edah people or the ones who demonstrated together with the PLO ?
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    in reply to: The Fourth Reich of “Israel” #2462865
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @AAQ

    the very future of our nation is under threat

    this is no joking matter at all

    this illegal and immoral decree has to be resisted by all [peaceful] means possible without letup until complete victory
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    in reply to: Tiferes Shlomo and the modern State of Israel #2462861
    yankel berel
    Participant

    I am also confused

    why are hazals definitions of galut not good ‘working definitions’ ?

    I did not post “random musings” …

    I posted hazal’s definitions of galut

    why are hazal’s definitions not ‘commonly agreed foundations’ ?

    I am not disagreeing perse with anything you wrote

    just that it is hollow ,incomplete and therefore misleading , to define a concept by only one characteristic …

    all explanations by hazal are relevant …

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    or not ?
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    in reply to: Going OTD in the IDF #2462794
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @AAQ

    your naivete is shining through again …

    to quote such a groundbreaking sefer ha ikarim from a ‘secondary source’ without verifying that it actually does say such a huge hidush in an unambiguous way , is plain naive ….

    this is not meant as a mean comment …

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    in reply to: The Steipler Gaon on Zionism and on the Neteurei Karta #2462793
    yankel berel
    Participant

    how many times are people going to fall for the same untruth ?

    steipler is NOT referring to the neturei karta as we are

    thats clear to any careful reader

    he is addressing the issue of VOTING ONLY

    he uses the term neturei karta to describe the hevrei ha’eida

    thats all

    there is no reference whatsoever to any of the unsavory tactics of those neturei karta as they are known

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    in reply to: The Fourth Reich of “Israel” #2462792
    yankel berel
    Participant

    this is a milhemet mitsva – not to agree to forced enlistment

    and we cannot back down .

    ish et re’ehu yazoru ule’achiv yomar chazak !

    et l’asot lashem !
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    in reply to: Tiferes Shlomo and the modern State of Israel #2462791
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @somejew

    I do not understand .

    which part of my post re galut is inaccurate ?

    and why cant we work with what I wrote ?
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    in reply to: Plan B – An Open Letter to Ultra Orthodox Community Leaders #2462790
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @yaakov yosef

    I am not serious ….

    I cannot stand ideological straightjackets .

    posters like katan and somejew from one side and posters like evalemoshiv and square on the other side

    all have their agendas and they push them irrespective of the real world realities and the inevitable consequences their so called solutions will engender

    they are doing so blindly and therefore are dangerous

    baruch hashem we still have special people amongst us gdolei yisrael who can help us navigate these very difficult issues.

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    in reply to: 770: A Mikdash or a Madhouse? Rabbonim Must Act Now #2462409
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @qwerty

    maybe I mentioned this once already – habad theology reminds me of climate change and chinese influence

    all three advance unseen until they suddenly dominate the world …

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    in reply to: Tiferes Shlomo and the modern State of Israel #2462408
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @somejew

    anything I wrote is derived from hazal and sefarim kdoshim

    I did not make anything up and I cannot see any reason why you should reject anything I mentioned

    if you have a reason as to what and why you find anything objectionable please state what it is and why

    in the absence of the above I cannot see why we cannot work with all these aspects of galut I mentioned ?
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    in reply to: How do we know that anti-Zionist posters are Jewish? #2462293
    yankel berel
    Participant

    Avi k

    you are mixing issues

    RMF halachically [!] disagreed with those who assered giving back land even bimkom pikuach nefesh . nothing to do with the principle of datt torah

    there was no ‘psak’ by r ch’o about shanghai at any time

    by the way rch’o was niftar just weeks after the soviets marched into vilna

    before the yeshiva moved from lithuania

    daat torah was never invented

    it exists only to the extent that there are sources in the torah supporting it

    and cannot be an invention if thereare sources for it
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    in reply to: Going OTD in the IDF #2462291
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @somejew

    so am trying again :

    my mistake of peshat in my learning is kefira be’ikar ?

    beit shamai according to beit hillel is kefira be’ikar ?

    ???

    in reply to: 770: A Mikdash or a Madhouse? Rabbonim Must Act Now #2461721
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @qwerty

    The point is that Lubavichers face the same problem. I’m sure that many recognize the issues that we’ve brought to the fore, but they feel that they can’t say or do anything or they’ll face ostracism.

    that’s an overly rosy view in my opinion …

    the lubavichers are hamstrung ,but not because of the fear of ostracism

    it is because they cannot accept , under any circumstance , that their rebbi should be mistaken , anytime , on any topic whatsoever

    and it is that irrational belief which is the foundation and the singular source of their continuous conundrum

    on all of their so called ‘issues’ which are brought up , they are able to point to utterances or writings of their “infallible” rebbi which are a valid source for their mistaken and problematic belief

    even though that their rebbi himself is not able to point to any preceding source to validate his opinion

    the very minute that a habadi is willing to accept the possibility that his leader , even while being great man , erred , is the very minute of his salvation

    otherwise we will continue to go round and round in the same merry go round without any solution whatsoever
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    in reply to: Going OTD in the IDF #2461720
    yankel berel
    Participant

    Ok –I read somejews last post now , will redefine my post now and use his terminology

    to summarize the above conversation , according to the staipler :

    belief in trinity is —kfira be’ikar

    belief in reform is —kfira be’ikar
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    shitat beit shmai according to beit hillel is —a mistake
    but not kfira be’ikar

    when I learn a gemara and learn the wrong peshat it is —a mistake
    but not kfira be’ikar

    belief in athaltah di geoula is —a mistake
    but not kfira be’ikar

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    in reply to: Plan B – An Open Letter to Ultra Orthodox Community Leaders #2461719
    yankel berel
    Participant

    OPEN LETTER TO EVALEMOSHIVLO

    I would like to make a suggestion based on RAMBAM . Yes, I am suggesting preparing Orthodox Israeli Jewry for mass Yeridah, and I even have a plan.

    Send a delegation for a series of meetings with Government Ministers. (Yes non Jewish Ministers)

    Say to them, we are preparing our communities for mass Yeridah.

    We want our communities and their families to be able to live near one another and to retain our culture, our educational system etc. We need proper and adequate employment and social services. We need shuls, schools, yeshivos, seminaries, etc.

    It can be done. There are large empty expanses of land – in Chuts la’arets .

    Yeridah has many challenges but when done together, it’s a whole different story.

    I know that I’ll be hit in the face with all sorts of hashkafos that serve the purpose of easing guilt over staying put, but times have changed.

    Our precious youth in Israel are hunted by a mafia-like unelected clique , like some sort of criminals.

    This is totally unacceptable and unsustainable .

    We cannot foresee the results of this unprecedented and evil witch hunt .

    WE MUST HAVE A PLAN B!

    We MUST seriously consider mass yeridah , for the sake of the Jewish Nation’s eternal future !
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    in reply to: Tiferes Shlomo and the modern State of Israel #2461718
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @somejew

    as continuation of previous post

    there is more than one type / level of galut

    there is the galut of being far from EY

    there is the galut of lacking a BHMK

    there is the galut of lacking the shehina

    there is the galut of physical tsarot as a result of shibud malhuyot to varying degrees , different in various locales and times

    there is the galut as manifested as power of the se’or sheba’issa which seems to hold the world in its clutches

    there are so many aspects and levels of this overarching word galut that it is very difficult to encapsulate it in one or 2 words

    the truth is that it is all of the above and probably even more
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    hope we agree on this and previous post ….
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    in reply to: Tiferes Shlomo and the modern State of Israel #2460830
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @somejew

    re galut

    gemara baba batra 8A [if remember correctly] says that limud hatorah if on high level will bring mashiach

    if on lower level will reduce shibud malhuyot in the form of easier taxes on the jews

    and if on even lower level then the taxes of the shibud malhuyot will be crushing

    we see that there are different levels of shibud malhuyot

    the jew in the present USA is in galut

    the jew under the czar in the 1800’s was also in galut

    but lo harei zeh keharei zeh ….

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    in reply to: Going OTD in the IDF #2460829
    yankel berel
    Participant

    bottom line

    wrong pshat in gemara

    an everyday occurrence by many people … is definitely NOT kfira ……
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    in reply to: Going OTD in the IDF #2460828
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @aaq

    where is sefer ikarim ‘lenient’ about mistakes in core beliefs ?
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    in reply to: How do we know that anti-Zionist posters are Jewish? #2460827
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @AAQ

    this comes from talmidei rav chaim ozer
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    btw – I myself heard from a witness who saw emrei emet talking to REW for over two hours in marienbad in 1937

    those who knew emrei emet , say that this was almost unheard of that he should spend so much time with someone

    REW was an adam gadol me’od .
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    in reply to: How do we know that anti-Zionist posters are Jewish? #2460826
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @avi k

    that tour was when rav kook was still rav of jafo

    before he moved to the newly established rabanut rashit
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    if not mistaken rav sonnefeld called him by the title of ‘the yafo rav’ even when he was already rav rashi in yerusalem
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    every fact has to placed and considered within its context

    otherwise the wrong impression is given
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    in reply to: The Steipler Gaon on Zionism and on the Neteurei Karta #2460825
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @ujm

    by the way – it was the hilul hayadut that the so called neturei karta of the staiplers letter protested against what the staipler was praising

    hilul shabat – pritsut – hilul kvarim – nituchei metim – chinuch likfira etc etc

    not of any protests against the mere existence of the medina

    there was no praise from him about that

    he specifically mentions hizuk layahadut

    nothing about their role in protesting against existence of the medina
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    in reply to: The Steipler Gaon on Zionism and on the Neteurei Karta #2460824
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @hakatan

    re rav kook— its not rav elyashiv the young bachur who is taken as proof

    although rav elyashiv as chatan not a young bachur , probably could put many, many elderly people to shame …

    it is rather his father and mechutan rav avrham elyashiv and rav aryeh levin the tsadiq of yerushalayim and the leshem his grandfather

    who were ok with rav kook as mesader kidushin

    and rav elyashiv himself as nonagerian who protested at any slight bichvodo shel rav kook

    the difference between you and other commenters is that you cannot acknowledge any type of nuance

    while reality and the whole world is full of nuances
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    rav kook was controversial – yes

    many disagreed with him – yes

    many criticized him – yes

    but at the same time – many held of him

    and that is the meaning of the word ‘controversial’

    why cant you acknowledge that ?
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    rav shlomo zalman took his haskama for his ma’adanei erets and for his me’orei haeish

    his son rav shmuel did not let the printers omit his haskama

    these are facts and should be acknowledged

    like the clear praise the emrei emet lavished on him – even while criticizing him in the same breath
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    why do you insist on communist style censoring ?
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    for your knowledge a picture of the leshem adorned the hafets hayims home …
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    in reply to: The Steipler Gaon on Zionism and on the Neteurei Karta #2460822
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @ujm

    anyone who carefully reads the Steiplers letter will see his intent

    the question was very clear

    it was regarding participation in israeli elections

    where the camps are delineated

    on one hand – there is the aguda [then] which now includes shas degel and ets , who all agree in principle to the heter [or hiyuv] of participation

    on the other hand – there is the edah haredit and the kana’im who all agree to the total issur of participation irrespective to any potential gains – it is non negotiable assur and that’s it

    the answer given is clearly to follow the aguda approach and not the edah approach

    qualified by the clear statement that the edah approach and their people are needed , chaviv , chashuv and should not change their shita

    that is in essence the whole tshuva by the steipler

    at no point in this tshuva does he discuss participation in holocaust denying conferences

    nor participation in sonei yisrael demonstrations

    he does employ the word neturei karta but it is abundantly clear from the context that he is not referring to any of the people who happen to demonstrate with sonei yisrael

    or travel to holocaust denial meetings

    he is referring to people who consider israeli elections as part of the 3 averot hamurot and therefore assur unconditionally.

    all those who are really looking for the emet , will agree to what I wrote …

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    in reply to: The Steipler Gaon on Zionism and on the Neteurei Karta #2460414
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @hakatan

    have you read the titles rav mibrisk wrote to rav kook ?

    have you read the titles the ba’al haleshem wrote to rav kook ?

    both were written to rav kook in EY …
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    do you know that rav kook was the mesader kidushin of both rav elyashiv and rav shlomo zalman auerbach ?

    do you know that the sefer me’orei ha’eish of rav shlomo zalman has a haskama from rav kook

    positioned IN FRONT OF rav yosef hayim zonnefelds ?
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    do you know that rav shmuel auerbach refused the suggestion to omit rav kook’s haskama from the new edition of me’orei ha’eish ?
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    do you know all those details and choose to ignore them ?

    or did you just not bother to do the necessary research ?
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    either way – it does not reflect very well ….
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    in reply to: 770: A Mikdash or a Madhouse? Rabbonim Must Act Now #2460397
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @lerntmin

    “Chabad mashpia Rabbi Yosef Paltiel, a popular “Stump the Rabbi” segment speaker, has said that Chabad chassidim primarily serve the Rebbe, and through serving the Rebbe they also serve Hashem.”

    you hit the nail on its head here .

    this is one the main issues of habad’s divergence from torah true judaism

    and one of the main sakanot of the future development of errant habad theology
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    who knows where this is going to lead to , when new habad generations are going to arrive on the scene

    never to have known those who still remember the flesh and blood version of their wrongly deified leader ….
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    in reply to: Going OTD in the IDF #2460396
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @somejew

    you are obfuscating …

    we were discussing : A] the kfira of trinity and reform

    not

    B] mistakes in interpretation of the tora

    or

    valid machlokot within torah

    the difference between A and B is of the magnitude as the difference between literally shamayim and arets

    steipler classifies athaltah d/g belief as a mere mistake , not as “kfira”

    whereas belief in trinity or reform is definitely full fledged “kfira”
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    it is already high time to admit to the obvious , mr somejew …..

    your credibility will be enhanced [even at this late stage] if you could find the inner fortitude to be modeh al ha’emet

    whereas it will totally crash if you still cannot …..
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    in reply to: How do we know that anti-Zionist posters are Jewish? #2460231
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @aaq

    ch’ch was betokfo in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s up until mid 1920’s.

    thereafter his health declined , he was niftar in 1933

    REW ‘s ma’marim were written in the mid and late 1930’s

    different times , different situations

    he always ran them past R Chaim Ozer , and at least once did not publish a maamar after RCH’O objected
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    in reply to: Going OTD in the IDF #2460230
    yankel berel
    Participant

    somejew claims that he “didn’t see anywhere that the Steipler says that NK are mistaken” ….

    the Steipler writes:
    […]
    ……………בעיקר הדבר כך דעתי העניי נוטה שמצוה רבה להצביע לרשימה החרדית ושיש בזה ממש הצלת הדת לפי המצב כעת……
    ……..ומה ששמע מעלתו שיש איסורים בדבר…….
    כתב מע’ שיש איסור בהצבעה מצד מודה בע”ז, והוא דבר שאין לו שחר, הלא המציאות בעוה”ר הוא שהשלטון בידם לע”ע ומחמת מציאות זו מצביעים ושותפים שומרי תורה להתם ע”ם להציל כפי האפשרי, ואיזו הודאה יש כאן שמסכים ברשעת הרשעים ח”ו בדעות טמאים שלהם

    וידע מע”כ שגם לצורך קנאות אסור לגלות פנים בתורה שלא כהלכה, ומה שאינו אמת אינו מצליח כלל

    how can somejew not see which is obvious to all ???

    NK clearly hold that participating in elections is prohibited , as the questioner to the steipler held

    whereupon the steipler answers that this is a “davar she’ein lo shachar” ….

    and labels that view as “giluy panim batorah shelo kehalacha”

    and as “eino emet” and predicts that it therefore will be “eino matsliach klal”

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    in other words – as clear as can be : that according to staipler the NK and somejew are mistaken !

    and hold opinions against the torah !

    which according to somejews own [convoluted and totally mistaken] reasoning is nothing less than kfira ?!

    on par with trinity and reform ???!!!

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    nothing less than total absurdity ….

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    in reply to: Going OTD in the IDF #2460229
    yankel berel
    Participant

    somejew is [again] distorting the issues….
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    kfira means – kfira in the 13 yesodot of judaism

    for example trinity and reform
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    mistake means wrongly interpreting the torah – which is a mistake but not kfira

    for example beit shammai’s opinion of beit hillel’s shitah and vice versa

    and all other machlokot within torah

    and other mistakes not regarding the ikarim even when the propagator of the mistake is not a chacham

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    the above is pashut to any serious torah student

    ve’eino tsricha lifnim …
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    in reply to: How do we know that anti-Zionist posters are Jewish? #2460067
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @avi k

    there is no indication whatsoever to be taken from the fact that hafets hayim approved of rav kook going into the rabinate

    even if historically correct ,

    towards any of his later sayings about hebrew university

    or his actions while in the newly established rabbanut harashit

    which made him controversial

    those things happened only much , much later
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    in reply to: Going OTD in the IDF #2460066
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @somejew

    according to your own [faulty] reasoning , you should be ‘shocked’ whenever you look in the mirror …
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    steipler clearly writes that the neturei karta are mistaken

    according to your reasoning, where every mistake is considered ‘kefira’

    it follows from the steipler , that the neturei karta are kofrim

    so – simple logic – it follows then , that whenever you look in the mirror …. you are looking at a kofer …..

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