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B] the second type of heresy is the halachik one which
needs clear parameters and
has clear consequences.For example
Someone who professes belief in “j”or professes belief in pagan g’ds .
or declares himself an atheist
r’l.the consequences are very clear too.
Those halachik heretics forfeited their right to oilam haba.
are passul ledutmarriages and divorces are invalidated if they serve as witnesses.
Even many years later.=======
THE Q TO SOMEJEW ETC. IS THE FOLLOWING –
That makes him into agada heretic or into halacha heretic ???
we will needclear proof on this she’ala .
I cannot open new threads.
Whatever I write is not emotional. It is very clear and very simple.
A] My point is as follows – the words heresy and heretic are used oftentimes , but do not always mean the same thing.
I will list some examples of usage of this word and hope anyone will understand what I mean.
The first usage of the word heresy pertains in an [for lack of better word] hagadic way.
For examle Someone who gets angry is reckoned as if he worships avoda zara .
Similar statements are mentioned about s’ one who is haughty .
Or even s’one who invests in his own material success and attributes his success to himself [kochi ve’otsem yadi asu li et hachayil hazeh]
Or anyone who happened to do any avera. Rav chskel levenstein attributed this to a lack of emuna i.e. a heresy.
Those are aggadic ‘heresies’.
Said behaviour and attitudes are frowned upon , but those people are kasher to be edim and yenam is not nesech etc .In other words, their problem has heresy connections, but is not halachik heresy.
As stated, the Satmar Rav noted that if the Zionists actually cared about Jewish lives (which they of course do not) then they could go to the gentiles and have them take over – bloodlessly. Your attempting to bring proofs to the contrary from various world conflicts of course do not prove anything.
[katans reality denying fantasies]
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It’s about time you realized that I do not care about the Z .
Not what they should have done .
Not about what they could have done .
I bring clear proofs to the nature of the monsters who surround us and how they behave towards their very own kin .
This is plain reality .
Within sight of anyone not lazy enough to open their eyes.
There is no reason whatsoever why they would be more kind toward the millions of your innocent brothers and sisters.
If you are still in doubt , the gruesome realities of oct 7 should force your willfully shut eyes , wide open.
Any supposed saying of SR of decades ago has no relevancy whatsoever to the stark reality right here in front of us.
If anything , it would be a question mark on SR ‘s feeling of obligation towards the well being of millions of yehudim in EY.
If SR would hold , like somejew fraudulently tries to propagate on these pages , that halachik p/n protections do not extend to yoshvei EY , because of the 3 shavu’ot, then SR ‘s supposed saying would make more sense.
As would your reality denying posts.
After all there are no real and valid halachik p/n concerns for yoshvei EY ….
So we do not need any reality based and really working solutions for the yoshvei EY . ….
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.who did I call a heretic? If I did, I can bring proofs.
What did I call “heresy”? If I did, I can bring proofs.I am always willing to stand by my words with authoritative sources because I am not making anything up on my own rather just pointing to the Torah that we (well, some of us) got at Sinai.
===authoritative sources are not enough.
you have to first understand these sources
plus , answer – properly – how your understanding is not contradicted by :hazal and
your own and whole of klal yisraels accepted halachik behavior.please think about this
I will elaborate on it in a future post.
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.Any rebuttal re smag ?
Or another shtikah kehoda’a ?
Its quite a long list …..
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.message to qwerty
When have you last looked at the thread “I’m back 3.0” ?
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not the shevi’es
not the so called ‘heresy’ of ZPlain old and genuine yiddishkait problems
which formed the most gdolim’s historic opposition to Z
NOT THE MINORITY SATMAR CONCERNSany other portrayal is plain sheker
if somejew has some honesty he should concede this valid point.
somejew is asked hereby to stop calling non heresies by the name of heresies.
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He should stop relying on age old kol korei’s and related stories .And start bringing iron clad proofs from chazal for his “heresy calls”.
If he calls something a heresy or someone a heretic , he has to back it up with halacha lema’aseh repercussions.
Like invalidating all marriages and divorces performed with eidim with Z sympathies.
As long as he does not do this . Or someone else of his deluded friends and followers , all his heretic type of comments are to be totally disregarded
Have a look in sefer hasmag
at the end of the section of mitsvat asei , where he says that there will be no nevu’a from the time hagai zeharya and mal’achi – until the nevua of elyahu hanavi .
So – last leader of habad’s so called nevu’a [cf. sicha shoftim nun alef] is being clearly disproven !
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.somejew:
The whole foundation of the shalosh shevios, as well explained by the maharal is that we must maintain the gezairas hagalis and are forbidden to directly work against. Part of the gezairas hagalis are the many pogroms and violence, lo alaini, that klal yisroel suffers through. The Maharal says explicitly that even if all the non-Jews got together and told use you MUST go to eretz yisroel, rebuild the Beis Hamikdosh, and reinstate a Torah kingdom, if they did that under real threat of DEATH, chas v’shulem, if we don’t listen to them, we would STILL NOT be allowed to break the shevios and we Jews would be obligated to give up our lives instead of breaking the shevios.
To be clear, the Maharal says the obligation to keep the 3 shevios is more important than pekiach nefesh (as is obviously true for every ‘yharog val tavor’).
If my answer is not simple enough or you want to get into it more, I would request that you start a new CR thread and tr to formulate a full meaningful question that at at least tries to understand the above foundation of the Maharal that considers what you understand the answer(s) presented might be. With that, I and others can have more clarity on what you a/re missing or where your criticism might be well directed.
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This you want to use to mafkir damam of millions of your brothers and sisters in EY ?Without any give and take with our greatest living rabanim ?
Is this normative halachik practise ?
Millions of piskei hiyuvei mita [r’l] in the course of two minutes of typing , being medameh milta lemilta ON YOUR OWN , based on a supposed statement of maharal on agada without even a source in the footnote ?
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I , in your place , would be ashamed of myself ….
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.This whole idea that the haggadic term of heresy is somehow identical to the halachik term of heresy , is nothing more than a laughingstock.
All of somejew and katans and satmar ‘s so called “heresies” are nothing more than polemical terms to discourage association with the Z .
Fact is that neither the yayin nor the eduyot of the fully frum religious Zionists are rejected anywhere in mainstream Orthodoxy.
Clear proof of the halachik non heresy of religious zionists.
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This is, of course, false. When the Soviet Union fell overnight, it did not result in any deaths of millions, and most still stayed put exactly where they were (except the ones who wanted to leave to Western countries, which is perfectly possible now under the Zionists). There is no reason to expect differently here.
[katans fantasies]
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LOL.
katan persists in parroting his blinders on approach , still living in the nineteenth century.The world has seen many things happening since.
According to katan there was no Syrian civil butchering of each other, no civil Yemeni butchering of each other, no Iraqi , no Libyan, no Yazidi genocide…
And the list can go on.
I cannot find another title for katan than the following :
a broken tape recorder with no apparent independent thinking capabilities ….
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.peleg and satmar, both, most definitely accept the rebbe rashab .
it s the rebbe maham shilo who is not accepted.
somejew is claiming that there is no p/n protections of the am hayoshev betsion.
al pi halacha.
supposedly as determined by SR
supposedly accepted by all other rabanimI will repeat my reaction to this absolute nonsense .
“There was never any normative halachik process applied to these subjects.” !!!!!!!
All somejew has , are a collection of kol korei’s about the evils of Z , plus a majority agada sefer called vayoel moshe
WHICH DO NOT ADDRESS THIS ISSUE !!!
My position is crystal clear.
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.The overwhelming majority of the content of vy’m is agada
yes . Will repeat it.
The overwhelming majority of the content of vy’m is agada
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check in the index – most of the sources are agada.no give and take with other halachik authorities.
no haskamot.
No serious discussion about stripping p/n protections from entire communities at all !!!
This is not halacha . this is polemics .
And mussar – regarding the danger of apikorsim who use holy symbols and holy language and holy lands to put a holy veneer on poisonous endeavors.
noda byhuda r akiva eiger hatam sofer be’er yitschak avne nezer ahiezer maharsham – learn their tshuvot lehalacha and see the difference.
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.somejew to yb:
you [yb] wrote:
I did take issue with the crooked and narrowminded statement that vay’m is the sole accepted halacha opinion , since supposedly no one else took issue with its content.
—I am glad you are finally honest enough to recognize that Vayoel Moshe, as it’s author – one of the most prominent poskim of his generation – was admanat about both in his introduction Vayoel Moshe as well as multiple times through the sefer, is indeed written as a halachik sefer to paskin lemassa and that it’s length is “k’derech haTorah” like all major poskim before and after him that “show their work” and explain their reasoning and context for their psak.
===============================Reading comprehension , anyone ?
I will reiterate once more. SR claims this to be plain halacha. For sure.
.A] lema’seh , in fact, clear as day that this is a polemical work designed to be marchik et ha’adam from the ideas of Z.
One who speaks ivrit is not over an issur for every word . He would not get malkut even leman d’amar lav she’ein bo ma’aseh lokin alav.
Neither would he get makat mardut.
Totally ludicrous.
B] Someone who is mishtatef in the elections in EY is not over the 3 averot hamurot of retsicha ni’uf and avoda zara [as claimed in the sefer vy’m]
No one would ever take such a person as a mechutan for his own son . For sure not the second rebbi from satamar …..
And the list goes on and on .
All those terrible leshonot are covered by a pseudo cloak of halacha , in order to lend extra force to desperately needed argument against the evils of Z .
I’ll say it again – it is mutar to exaggerate in order to stop one ‘s talmidim from being influenced from malign actors.
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.…those poskim who disagree with the above two issurim of Vayoel Moshe DO NOT disagree with the fundamental principals ……. that we kosher Jews continue to pray three times a day for its state’s peaceful destruction (amen, kain yehi rutzon).
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sheker vechazav
those poskim – the overwhelming majority of talmidei hahamim by the way – pray that all of our errant brothers in charge of the state should have a change of heart and that the power of the erliche yidden within the state should exceed the power of the wicked people , and that all of the inhabitants of the state should merit to live in peace and security until mashiach comes.
ITS A HUTSPAH TO PUT WORDS INTO OTHER PEOPLES MOUTHS AGAINST THEIR WILL.
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.@some jew
…..Beyond those two points of contention, there has been ZERO legitimate disagreement with the psak of Vayoel Moshe ….—
Again some jew ignores the clear question of the heiliger posek hador the avnei nezer who clearly asks why rambam in yad , the tur and sh’a all three omit the 3 shavu’ot.and therefore stays with the clear psak that 3 shavu’ot are not lehalacha.
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One cannot escape the fact that untold numbers of Jews lost their religion and connection to the RBSHO because of the historical Z movement.
Somehow , by some illogical obscure logical deduction, that means that many millions of innocent Jews could be deprived of their lives, their liberty and their property.
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…Will quote the meshech hohma in full bezrat hashem
somejew has not understood my position here and seems like unable to be mechalek bein dvarim.
he ‘uses’ the multiple historical kol korei’s against Z to buttress his point.
he misses the point totally.
The issue at hand is one and one only –
.DO WE DISREGARD P/N OF MILLIONS HERE AND NOW ? YES OR NO ?
One can answer either way.
But to use v’ym to answer yes is a clear distortion of the halachik decision making process.
somejew [and nowadays satmar’s] position is yes.
He disregards the halachik imperative of mass p/n .
Any polemics against Z , justified as they may be , is not a HALACHIK reason to disregard the acute mass p/n situation right in front of us.
Including the entirety of v’ym .
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As simple as can be.
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.Soon we will be confronted with a generation asher lo yadah et yosef.
All they will know about their rebbi is from the propaganda machine idolizing him as the greatest person to have ever walked this earth.
Those people who still remember his as any other human with his foibles and issues , will be gone.
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====Have a look at Meshech Hohma parashat shemot , about moshe rabenu ‘being great be’einei avdei par’oh ube’einei ha’am ‘
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.@AAQ
Yankel, just be careful dismissing seforim because it is,agada.
This bias towards halakha is due to halakha having rules of derivation, while agadic discourse can go wild. This is a good reason to be careful with conclusions but don’t dismiss it totally.
—-I never dismissed agada , has veshalom.
I did take issue with the crooked and narrowminded statement that vay’m is the sole accepted halacha opinion , since supposedly no one else took issue with its content.
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The only way to respond to such a ststement is that this is utter drivel.The overwhelming majority of the content of vy’m is agada, and [besides the klal of ein meshivin al hadrush] most gdolei yisrael disagreed with its conclusions halacha lema’aseh.
There was never any normative halachik process applied to these subjects.
FOR SURE NOT TO THE EXTREMELY HAMUR SUBJECT OF MILLIONS MASS PIKUACH NEFESH .
Which some posters here are attempting to paskin in a ‘hobby like’ way , basing themselves on so called divrei drush in order to condemn their own brothers and sisters to gruesome deaths , barbaric torture and unspeakable atrocities.
All in order that they themselves should feel smug in their own superior morality as if they know better than the true talmidei hahamim who ceaselessly toil in torah , and arrive at their conclusions in a real and responsible manner.
There is no other explanation for their approach , besides the one mentioned.
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It is very hard for satmar to ask for protection under hilchot lashon hara and kibud talmidei hahamim when they themselves don’t offer their own opponents said protection .
habad as a whole ,slowly going OTD …
meaning as their ideology as concentrating on their rebbi more than HKBH .
They prefer bringing their rebbi nachat ruach , as opposed to bringing the RBSHO nachat ruach.
That is OTD.
Its a slow process , over years and decades . Over generations.
Soon we will be confronted with a generation asher lo yadah et yosef.
All they will know about their rebbi is from the propaganda machine idolizing him as the greatest person to have ever walked this earth.
Those people who still remember his as any other human with his foibles and issues , will be gone.
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.bottom line . ard is doling out tickets to gehinnom.
But not across the board.
When the gdoley yisrael manhigim and yo’atsim of aguda are called a disgrace, ard is extremely quiet.
But when leadership of satmar [not clear whether the intention is towards lay leadership or rabbinic leadership] , then ard comes out in full force and notifies us in BOLD LETTERING , no less , that we won a one way trip to gehinnom.
It seems that he is [self]appointed as guardian of sha’arei gehinnom.
Ard knows who is and who isn’t admitted.
How does he know that ?
.Does he have inside [!] knowledge of what goes on there ?
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.How would he ??
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.I posed countless questions on these pages.
It is eerily quiet.
Is it just because the habad side ‘is not in the mood’ ?
Or because of the objective lack of answers ?
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.But of course nobody would ever support the establishment of a “State” that is a violation of the Oaths ….
[katan]
—LOL.
nobody … besides the posek hador the heiliger avnei nezer zatsal.
based on rambam ‘s yad , on tur , on shulchan aruch , on gemara ktuvot.
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You would be hard pressed to find an organization more controlled by laymen than the Satmar affiliated Edah HaChariedis . The lay people in Agudah do not put out Kol Koreys in the name of the moetzes without their knowledge. The Edah HaChareidis does so on a weekly basis. It is alleged that Rav Yisroel Yaakov Fisher the Raavad of the Edah HaChareidis used to say that he reads the pashkevilin on his way home from Mincha to find out what he signed on last night…
[smerel]
According to my sources, habad has burnt r deutchs books in a public bonfire.
Habad is very big and varied, so the news would not necessarily have gotten to your ears.
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besides this , you write that r deutch is AGAINST habad because he expresses fear about the dangers habad faces ….
I would not charachterise this as against .
Not at all . I would call that rather “PRO habad” .He , as a real habadi , is concerned about where ‘his’ movement coulld end up .
A mother concerned for her sons future is not AGAINST him.
The bigger the connection with her son , the greater the concern about his future.A stranger might dismiss her concerns. Because the stranger does not have that connection.
So , ironically the one who defends habad is really not concerned about habad. They could not care less what ideological or theolgical hell hole habad ends up ,
whereas the one ‘attacking’ habad , aderaba , is the one deeply connected to the original and true habad and therefore also deeply concerned about its [common sense] future.
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Have news for you – habad as a movement is slowly going OTD . As long as they are incapable [or unwilling] to squarely confront its demons in the closet.
That is their only hope for salvation.
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Hello ?
Did you receive my comment before yomtov ?Ok . So lets rephrase it to make it fit better with the original intention of my post.
If it is permitted to call the leadership of agudas yisroel under the Zionist State [48-25] a ‘general disgrace’ [as per somejew] ,meaning the collective gdolim who led AY, then this moniker would fit better to satmar’s current leadership.
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.No answer yet about pikuach nefesh of millions .
By what valid halachik process were their p/n protections magically stripped ?
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.….. when discussing the general disgrace that is the leadership of agudas yisroel under the Zionist State.
[part of original quote by somejew]
——“… the leadership of agudas yisroel under the Z state . ”
Meaning the successive and collective mo’etset gdolei hatorah [plus the other non members of the mo’etses] who guided agudas yisroel from 1948 till 2025 .
They supposedly are a ‘general disgrace’ …. according to somejew .
Which does not earn any tickets to gehinnom. According to ard , at least.
Only calling the leadership of [nowadays] satmar a disgrace . This is the only way , again according to ard at least , to gain acceptance in gehinnom.
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Talking about efah ve’efah …….
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.In which universities did the late rebbi of habad study ?
And for how long ?
And which courses did he follow ?
Was his father in law the Rayats in full agreement with him doing so ?
Would his grandfather in law the Rashab , who never met the latest rebbi of habad, agree to this course of action ?
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There are more questions to be asked , but lets at least start with those .
.Looked through the index at the end of Vyoel Moshe .
The majority of the quotes are from aggada sefarim and from agada portions of the halacha sfarim.
Even when vayoel moshe discusses halacha , it reminds me a bit of the hadrat panim anti shaving sefer .
Both had their conclusion neatly defined, well in advance of their research.
Not speaking ivrit is a hagada subject.
Three shavu’ot is a hagada subject, as clearly stated by the posek hador the avnei nezer
The only halacha subject discussed is the mitsva of yishuv EY , where SR is at odds with many other gdolei yisrael who he does not even mention.
Vyoel Moshe is much more of a polemical sefer , a forceful argument against the zionists and their collaborators than a halacha sefer.
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I could not find any halacha deliberation anywhere, regarding the withdrawal of pikuach nefesh protection of 8 million innocent people.Nor is there anywhere any written halachik correspondence kedarka shel torah, between the our greatest rabanim , re such a monumental issue.
In the absence of a proper halachik discussion , any approach negating their pikuach nefesh considerations , should be called out for what it really is :
HAFKARAT DAMAM SHEL YISRAEL , no less.
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.just keep daven and 19812262 will receive some seichel min hashamayim
@aheimisher
what normative halachik practices, according to that we shouldn’t follow Mishna Brura etc.
[aheimisher to yb]
===Mishna brura is a step by step text based peirush on Sh A.
whereas VY’M and al hageoula are in depth all encompassing pseudo hlachik sfarim.
No connection between the 2.—
When Mahari bei rav wanted to mechadesh smicha , he wrote to many gdolei hador.Whenever there were thorny aguna she’elot , the relevant rabbanim wrote to many gdolei hador.
When there was a gzerat hashchita in Germany pre WW2 , the relevant rabbanim wrote to many gdolei hador.
When the new invention of electricity made its inroads , the relevant rabbanim wrote to many gdolei hador.
And the list can go on and on.
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But when
the newly created medina created manifold millions pikuach nefesh she’lot , then suddenly, one sefer without any haskamot , without any give and take , without any back and forth correspondence suffices ….
THIS DOES NOT LOOK LIKE NORMATIVE HALACHIK PROCESS . Nor was it.
This seems more like a tool for shaping public orthodox opinion.
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.if there is a disgrace its the leadership of satmar
It’s ok to have a halachik agreement between torah giants, that doesn’t mean a psak is wrong
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Oho.
Now we are on familiar territory.Satmar claims repeatedly that they are and represent the real Jewish viewpoint, with no valid halachik detractor.
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/Brisker Rav zatsal did NOT agree that everything SR wrote in his sefer is halacha
He thought that SR was doing worthwhile things in fighting against the tsunami of Z which was engulfing yehudim all over the world in those yrs.
I heard from many sources , and it is well known that BR advised frum members of knesset how to vote in the plenum. Which SR would never even dream of doing.
[aheimisher to yb]
The Brisker Rov, The Chofetz Chaim ect. agreed with this psak.
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Come on.
Hafets Hayim was niftar already in 1933 .
VY’M was printed AFTER establishment of the medina in 1948.
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.What intimidation tactics, don’t throw accusations at talmidei chachomim without proof
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It is well known that SR merov kana’uto whenever discussing the Z movement , he started screaming .
One cannot have a level headed , proper halachic weighing up discussion under such circumstances. I am not saying that this intimidation was pre planned.
The fact is nevertheless that said intimidation stifled proper level headed discussion of those very weighty issues.There are proper reliable sources that many gdolei yisrael did not want to discuss those topics with him , for this very reason.
Like the Imrai Emet. Tshebiner Rav ,Belzer Rav R Aron and more.
Even those rabanim who did discuss those topics with him , were clever enough to stay clear from the truly contentious issues .
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So, did intimidation play a role in the discussions between SR and other rabanim ?
YES
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.@aheimisher
The Rebbe Shlita deliberately didn’t have haskamos like many other great Rebbes, like the Baal HaTanya, Reb Tzaddok HaKohen, Reb Nachman of Breslov etc.
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Ba’al HaTanya, R Tsaddok , R Nachman etc did not write on halacha.
Shulch Aruch Harav was written at the express instruction of his Rebbi the Maggid.
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.SR did not ask for haskama because he was sure he would not get one.
That is the cold reality.
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.@aheimisher
@Yaakov YosefThree shavu’ot are not mentioned in Rambam’s Yad
Not mentioned in Tur
Not mentioned in Sh’u’AruchA clear temi’ah , a clear question.
Posed by the Heiliger Posek HaDor , the Avnei Nezer zatsal .
In his halacha lema’ase sefer Shut Avnei Nezer.
Wherefrom he paskins halacha lema’aseh that the three shavu’ot are not halacha, they are divrei hagada , hashuv in their own right, but not halacha lema’ase.
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So we can , relying on avnei nezer hanal
safely state thatfact is that
the whole of vayoel moshe is a compendium of mostly aggadic materiel used to leharchik et ha’adam min haresha’im bekamah drachim.=====
The thrust of and the intent of the SR writings and activities, were all – to blunt the hashpa’a of Z .
This was a political and social war or rather campaign which consumed a very big part of life.
He marshalled every resource available in this fight.
Even divre drush and hagada were a good resource.
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===Not speaking ivrit was a tool in this fight.
Proving there is no mitsva of yishuv EY was another tool in this fight.
Blowing up the 3 shavu’ot was another one.
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It is as clear as day that SR first decided that Z is treif and only afterwards wrote vayoel moshe and al hagueoula ….
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.Is it common in habad to name baby girls after the rabanit of the rayats ?
As common as the other wives of the rebbes ?
Y or N ?
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Honesty …..
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.ujm:
The Messianic congregation Yaron Lischinsky belonged to seeks to recruit Jews to Yushke worship.This is who Israel gives visas to immigrate
===Thanks to ujm somejew and their ilk who do not participate in the Israeli elections….
The medina would have been much more jewish if all religious voters , voted.
Not voting is also voting.
It is a vote for those who seek to recruit jews to yoshke.
Same counts for WZO .
So the message to ujm :
If you complain , first do so in front of the mirror.
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.Katan has not mentioned – even once – what he thinks will happen to 8 million innocents in EY.
He simply does not seem to care.
Katan will support hatsole in the US . and any other lifesaving organization.
He cares about pikuach nefesh.
But that is minused by 8 million.
8 million innocents condemned by katan to …..
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.@aheimesher
Normative halachik practice, thousands of years old do not change, even by an unproven [or proven] estimate of 1/4 of klal yisrael.
—fact is that
there are no haskamot to vayoel moshefact is that
there is no written give and take between the mechaber and any of the other gdolei talmidei hahamim of the generation kedarka shel torah , like we find by any major deliberation in torah like by our truly great like r akiva eiger , noda beyehuda etc etcfact is that
one cannot base halaha on feelings , how righteous they may be.fact is that
the subject of STRIPPING MILLIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE FROM THEIR PIKUACH NEFESH PROTECTIONS is an extremely weighty halachik subject .fact is that
satmar rav used intimidation tactics when arguing with other talmidei hahamim and gdolei yisrael on this subject.fact is that
the whole of vayoel moshe is a compendium of mostly aggadic materiel used to leharchik et ha’adam min haresha’im bekamah drachim.fact is that
It was not accepted as halaha by the overwhelming majority of gdolei talmidei hahamim in klal yisrael.fact is that
One cannot base halaha on hagada.fact is that
Avnei Nezer very clearly disagrees with vayoel moshe.fact is that
steipler very clearly disagrees with vayoel moshe.fact is that
It is mutar al pi hahalaha to exaggerate in order to stop your talmidim from associating with bad elements .
Cf hafets haim hilchot lashon hara.fact is that
despite the claims by its author , vayoel moshe was not meant to be taken literally, only leharchik et haadam min harsha’im.fact is that
satmar shitah , despite its noble origins and intentions, when taken literally , makes a caricature of our holy torah.
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