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there is a limited supply of the only 2 per customer, it seems these people are trying to get more of them

And if you are unhappy with this YCT Hasghcha and dont want to pay for it, dont shop at those establishments who show it

I checked the website as I had never seen this hasghcha before and it was as I expected. it was mostly out of town and the upper west side (And Teaneck, NJ). Of the places that were in Manhattan they seem mostly to be Red Mango (Not Chalav Yisroel) Moaz Vegatarian (Questionable regular Hasgcha Israel Mayer Steinberg) and the Kosher cafeteria at Columbia so Hemish people arent likely to shop there anyway.

Having 2 brands with differnt qualities is standard business procedure. Toyota has Scion, Toyota and Lexus and people get the difference . But here we are talking about Twizzlers, Its the same Twizzlers by hershey if it just has an o-u on it or has the hemish sticker on it. If there a totally differnt hemish brand that looks like a twizzlers and sort of tastes like it that is a different product and I would not have an issue with that product having a hemish hashghcha

One has to be careful about making a mockery out of Kashruth, I doubt the YCT “Hechsher” would even be seen anywhere except maybe Riverdale and the Upper West Side, Ive never seen it and I doubt it would come to my world or almost anyones world here.

A Hemish sticker over an o-u product is actually underterming it. Twizzlers is not meat , Its not dairy and its not Tuna and therefore the Kashruth has less issues. (Either the ingridiants are kosher or they are not, No issues of Shechita, Chalav Yisroel or Dolphins) You are saying its not good enough

And frankly the O-U has alot more to lose than some hemish hechsher since its well known.

Someone wanted to make kosher Dog food so frum households could avoid getting benefit from treif, they went to the O-U and the o-u refused saying while they liked the concept they felt it would make a mockery out of kashruth.

Hebrew National was brought by a large food conglomaterate named Conagra who wanted premium brands in the portfolio. They discovered the people who kept kosher did not buy the brand and they did reseach why kosher people did not eat it. They discovered about the rabbinical supervision and that if they could get a more accepted supervision , kosher people would eat it. The reseach told them the o-u was the largest and would get people to eat it. They went to the o-u and asked how to get an O-U on Hebrew National, and the O-U told them, while they could get it up to their standards, the Hebrew National name had such a bad rep in the kosher community it would give their own brand (the o-u) a bad reputation and they could not give it under any circumstances

“When there is a YCT Hechsher , what value does it add”

It adds value to those who want better treatment of employees. They are willing to pay for it and would otherwise not eat at that place and think its important.

No one is making you eat at these places , you can go to some hemish place or any of a hundred different places to buy your food without the extra certificate. For that matter, no one is making you eat at these palces at all and no one is making the store put the certificate in the store

No one is making anyone do anything against their will.

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here is a secret, Twizzlers does not change the formula on the day the Hemish Sticker comes into the factory, Its the same formula every day.

We are not talking about Twizzlers vs some Hemish Brand where the ingridiants might be diffent. We are talking about the same exact twizzlers .

If the Rav of the 2nd and 3rd Hashgcha has a question and was really doing things Lesham Shamayim,, He would just tell the original Hashchagha the problem.

Funny thing is there is a Halacha that if a Bagel Store opens, you cannot open another Bagel store next door, however if the Bagel Store gets a Hashgha, another Hashgha has the right to invade that territory and take away business

If a frum jew says its kosher, then its kosher. When the O-U gives a heshcer on twizzlers then its kosher. Its funny how the term “chovevil Mafia” is used to pay the workers a fair wage, but dont use a similar term when there is an extra sticker on the twizzlers.

Either the O-U is a good heshcher or its not and personally Id trust the o-u over anything else since its so large and has alot to lose if anything is found to be a problem.

Restaurants cannot afford to be in business if they need to pay 3 Mashgiachs, they are expensive. If there are 3 hashghacha, 2 of them are the mafia.

Its not true yeshivas dont get government money and that they are unregulated.

In NY private and parochial schools ARE regulated, they are required to teach certain core classes.

While yeshivas cannot get direct money, they can get indirect money meaning things like bussing, books, Tax breaks for the building ability to pay the rebbeim tax free (parsanage) money for pools and other parts of the building as well

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It doesnt take a day to settle with the Arbitor, it takes alot longer .

Bloomberg (and DiBlasio) have a policy of fighting every case of parents wanting the board of Ed for special ed in private school. So you dont win alot and many times they will settle so you get a portion instead of the whole amount.

Instead of posting things on the internet , why not ask people who actually work in the business (Like a Lawyer) and find out how hard the city is fighting Special ed tution fees. (Manhattan is the worse, the city hires really high priced attoryneys for that job)

In Europe the Yeshivas had Eating days, meaning if you learned in the Yeshiva, you only ate 4 or 5 days a week and the rest you fasted.

By following that logic, if you eat 3 meals a day you are rich like we do today

They also had in most cities (except Krakow) Weddings On Friday afternoon so the Seuda merged with the Shabbos Seudah because they could not afford 2 meals.

Todays wedding are total gashmiut by the same standard

Samuel LeFrak who built Lefrak City was a jew (He is no longer alive)

Its getting to the point where living in NYC area is becoming “Gashmiut” and Jerusalem is actually more money than NYC so moving there wont solve the problem.

About the cars, If a husband an wife drive and have some teenagers. 3 cars isnt such a luxury.

Lefrak City is an apartment complex in Rego park queens. There are alot of Russian jews who live there.

Mammale, in the thread about East Ramapo, you did not think Music , Arts and sports were important and didnt want to pay for it and said if the parents wanted those things they should have a bake sale.

Now when it comes to your belifes you are asking those who do not think they are important to pay for it. There are lots of people who think kosher is either nonsense or who dont care, but dont want to pay for it either.

In the Kiryat Joel School district the real issue was not that they wanted their own school district, but that they wanted their own school district and because the tax base wasnt big enough the state would have to subsidize it making people who abhor their choices pay for it.

Its the same in lakewood, There isnt a big enough tax base in lakewood to pay for all these services and they need the entire state to chip in and subsidize it. And they are asking the state right now to pay and the taxpayers in other parts of the state dont want to pay.

The Cecil lived in a protected wild life preserve where it was illegal to shoot it. He was lured out of the protected sanctuary into a place where it wasnt illegal to kill

You are not forced to eat Mcdolands or celebrate christmas. Your kid can stay home those days.

The problem is you think your personal choices are requried to be paid by the government. Other gropups could make the same annoucement and the taxpayers would be on the hook for everyone cutural choices and legally Halacha has no priority over any other choice. We do not live in halacha state, we live in a secular non-jewish country and must follow those laws

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I said you need a QUALIFIED teacher, not just someone who speaks a certain language. And the reality is its almost impossible to get qualified teachers in any language except english or spanish.

I said it before the NYC school system tried to get a qualified teacher in pashtun and could not find any and for the record going to a yeshiva learning all day does not qualify as a qualification. You need special certifications from the state and courses. All applicants who wish to be special ed teachers must have them.

Special Ed does not nessasarily require instruction in the students language. In fact its almost impossible to do so in any language except English or Spanish as there are very few qualified special ed teachers in other languages It does not require culture either as there are plenty of cultures in the NYC area and its impossible for qualified teachers to know them all

If they don’t want Jews because the Jews do things that are uniquely Jewish, that I would call anti-semitism.

If a group of people who own non-kosher restaurants, bakeries and such found out that orhtodox jews were moving to their area and they opposed it, Is this Anti-Semitism (This happend in the hamptons …Bakeries and restaurants did not want orhtodox jews moving into their area because they would not patronize their stores and they’d be out of business

Showers did not really exist until about 100-150 years ago. There is no mesorah about Showers

Rav Sholmo Zalman is not the only Posek on this issue. Rav Moshe had a different opinion

Its always hard to know the real truth and the real truth is always somewhere in the middle. But it does seem to me she was somewhat estranged from her family and did get some really bad advice from some of her OTD friends (Cant comment on what FS told or didnt tell her, I dont know) and throw in a fancy party at a fancy bar and tip off the NY Post and you have a tabloid article to sell newspapers at a families and community tradgety

It wasnt an assumption that NK have participated more than once at an event on Shabbos. There are pictures and videos of them doing so. They even freely admit so

100 years ago most people didnt shower daily, they didnt have running water. Taking a bath or shower was a bigger deal than it was today