ROSNER RELEASED: Judge Releases Lev Tahor Alleged Kidnapper On $10 Million Bail

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Aaron Rosner (center) and the two children he allegedly kidnapped: 14-year-old Yante Teller (left) and her 12-year old brother Chaim Teller (right)

A federal judge has granted bail to a Lev Tahor Cult member arrested on Kidnapping charges.

Judge Paul Davison of White Plains ordered Aron Rosner released on $10 million bail on Tuesday.

As YWN has been reporting, Rosner was arrested by the FBI in Williamsburg on December 23.

Aron was indicted for the kidnapping of 14-year-old Yante Teller and her 12-year old brother Chaim Teller from their family in upstate New York, and conspiring to transport them to Mexico. YWN previously reported that the siblings were kidnapped on a Shabbos morning (December 8, 2018) in the town of Woodridge. The teens were seen getting into a vehicle in front of the home in middle of the night, and Rosner is believed to have driven the vehicle transporting the kidnapped children from Woodridge to the airport in Scranton, on Shabbos R”L.

According to court documents provided to YWN, attorneys for Aron Rosner, Henry E. Mazurek and Eval L. Lipton filed a motion on Monday January 14 to have Rosner released on bail with the following conditions:

  • A $10M bond was signed by Aron Rosner and nine (9) additional co-signers, secured by four (4) separate properties with equity in the amount of approximately $6.5 million.
  • Travel restricted to the Eastern and Southern Districts of New York.
  • Surrender of Rosner’s passport, and an agreement not to secure new travel documents
  • Strict Pretrial Services supervision.
  • Home detention with GPS monitoring at Rosner’s Brooklyn residence.
  • That while Rosner shall be granted access to a computer in order to review the discovery provided in this case and other case-related materials provided by his lawyers, he shall not be permitted internet access.
  • That Rosner is permitted access to one telephone that will be provided and approved by Pretrial Services to make and receive phone calls to and from phone numbers agreed to by counsel for Rosner and the Government.
  • That Rosner will not directly or indirectly associate or have contact, outside the presence of his counsel, with his co-defendants, alleged co-conspirators, or any individual currently or formerly employed by or associated with Lev Tahor; however, this does not limit the defense attorneys and their investigators from conducting appropriate defense investigation.

In the indictment, the FBI says that Rosner “unlawfully seized, confined, inveigled, decoyed, kidnapped, abducted and carried away and held for ransom and reward and otherwise, a person when the person was willfully transported in interstate and foreign commerce…. Aron Rosner participated in a scheme to kidnap two victims in Woodridge, New York and unlawfully transport the victims to Mexico”.

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Aron Rosner is a brother of Meyer Rosner, one of the five Lev Tahor leaders arrested by Interpol and the FBI in Mexico. That group was later extradited to the United States and are currently being held without bail.

YWN has been at the forefront for more than 10 years fighting the Lev Tahor cult – with dozens of articles over the years.

Lev Tahor practices include women and girls wearing black head-to-toe coverings day and night, arranged marriages between teenagers, and a violent form of Malkos. Lev Tahor only permits certain fruits and vegetables to be eaten, as well as whole wheat flour made into bread with a stone press.

[LEV TAHOR HORROR: Tales of Beatings and Torture Emerge From Excommunicated Cult Members]

Former members of Lev Tahor (who either escaped or were otherwise expelled) do not recall learning Mishnayos or Gemara, nor any Mitzvos Bein Adam LeChaveiro. They spend the majority of the day in deep prayer and are only allowed to study certain sections of the Chumash, with Lev Tahor commentary.

Reports indicate cult leaders have suggested death as better alternative than life outside the cult.

Lev Tahor was founded and led by Shlomo Helbrans, from the 1980s until his drowning death in Mexico in 2017. Since then, the leadership has moved into the hands of his son Nachman Helbrans, along with Mayer Rosner, Yankel and Yoel Weingarten, who are even more radical and aggressive than the late founder.

Internal documents of Lev Tahor show that Shlomo Helbrans made his followers swear and sign to uphold the following principles among others.

(1) Everyone must negate his or her mind and mind thoroughly and completely, to the leader of Lev Tahor.

2) They must subjugate soul, spirit, and will.

3) Each man accepts upon his descendants and descendant’s descendants until the end of all generations to be subjugated under the will of Lev Tahor’s leader.. this should be said openly to the leader himself.

4) Everyone must be ready at any time and moment of 24 hours of the day, whether on the Shabbath and Yom Tov, summer and winter, healthy or sick, to do the will of the leader.

5) Whether the person is a young man or an old man, virgins and women they must accept to do the will of the leader.

6) They must agree to throw away all his physical needs, including eating sleep and rest until he fulfills the desires the leader.

7) It is the obligation of each of them at the beginning of the morning prayers to recite and accept upon themselves all of the above with full mouth and supreme joy.

Some observers have written that these are signs of a cult. Indeed, this was the position of an author of an article that appeared in Mishpacha Magazine. Others, however, claim that there is nothing cult-like about the movement. Rabbi Yitzchok Frankfurter of Ami Magazine met with Helbrans and assured his readership that it was not a cult, even though a previous Ami article stated that it was.

In 2014 YWN ran an article titled “Cults and the War of the Jewish Magazines” in response to Mishpacha and Ami magazines running articles on Lev Tahor. Mishpacha Magzaine had run a fifteen page “expose” on the group, essentially describing Lev Tahor as a cult that has some serious issues involving medicating children, and behaviors that resemble child abuse. Ami Magazine claimed the exact opposite – and ran the following sentence below their headline “The unjust persecution of a group of pious Jews, and the unsettling silence of the Jewish community.”

Originally a citizen of Israel, cult leader Shlomo Helbrans went to the United States where he was convicted for kidnapping in 1994 and served a two-year prison term before being deported to Israel in 2000. He then settled in Canada.

In 1994 he was convicted in Brooklyn for the 1992 kidnapping of 13-year-old Shai Fhima Reuven, a Bar Mitzvah boy he was tutoring, and served a two-year prison term in the U.S. He was originally sentenced to four to 12 years in prison, but in June 1996 an appeals court reduced the sentence to two to six years. Three days later, he was placed in the work release program for prisoners less than two years away from the possibility of parole, where inmates are freed from prison if they have a job. After protests, he was moved back to prison.

The high-profile case drew much attention in the U.S., and gained further attention when Helbrans successfully convinced New York prison authorities to waive their requirement that all prisoners be shaved for a photograph upon entering prison, and to accept a computer-generated image of what he would have looked like clean-shaven instead. After the State Parole Board decided in November 1996 to release Helbrans after two years in prison, the case rose to near scandal with suspicions that the Pataki administration was providing him special treatment.

After his release from prison, Helbrans ran a yeshiva in Monsey, N.Y., and was deported to Israel in 2000. He then settled in Canada, where in 2003 he was granted refugee status, claiming his life was being threatened in Israel.

Helbrans and his followers had arrived in Mexico’s southern Chiapas province after spending three years in Guatemala. They had travelled to Guatemala from Canada, where child-protection authorities were moving to seize children allegedly suffering from neglect.

The group had been established on the outskirts of Sainte-Agathe-des-Monts, north of Montreal, for more than a decade before Quebec authorities began paying close attention. As they prepared to move in to protect children in the sect in late 2013, community members left en masse overnight for Chatham, Ontario. Before the next summer, they had moved on to Guatemala.

Court documents used by Quebec police to obtain warrants alleged that Lev Tahor girls as young as 13 and 14 in the community were routinely married off to much older men. The allegations in the documents, which became public after the sect had fled and were never proven in court, included sexual and physical abuse of children.

(YWN World Headquarters – NYC)




59 COMMENTS

  1. No bail for this guy. He has too many people – in his own group and other misguided sympathizers. Remember that there is no wall across the Canadian border, and Lev Tahor was based in Canada for years.

  2. Avi F, Aaron Rosner orchestrated the kidnapping, so whether himself was mechalel Shabbos or not, he did cause two Jews to be mechalel Shabbos.

  3. B”H he is getting released after today’s hearing. Don’t know about YWN false article that not.

    Thanks Hashem the Judge a non-jew judged a yid at least better then a lot of some yiden. (SAD)

  4. Avi F,

    And what exactly was his heter using another Jew or non-Jew on Shabbo – plus causing others to violate Shabbos?
    Moreover, is Lo Tignov Nefesh any better..?

    Shame on YOU for trying to defend this ____ !

  5. From their point of view it was not chilul shabbos. They saw it as saving children from shmad, for which one may do whatever is necessary on shabbos. And the halacha is that if one broke shabbos while genuinely believing that it was a case of pikuach nefesh, then even if it turned out not to be one is still potur.

  6. it would be nice if had no bail, but bail is a important part of the justice system. he is innocent until proven guilty. at least he is being monitored, he wouldn’t last long if he escaped.

  7. These criminally insane murderous gangsters have the blood of hundreds of innocent Jews on their heads,they have destroyed them physically,mentally,emotionally and religiously,these monsters should rott behind bars for the rest of their miserable worthless lives , it’s just too bad New York does not have anymore capital punishment,because these monsters would certainly deserve to be hanging from the gallows

  8. Avi F ,if ur close to the family can u provide some more info? Like did his family know he was part of lev tahor? Was he coerced into these actions? Threatened? And most of all how are the innocent children in lev tahor faring under current situation?

  9. Gotta get the FBI to talk to @philosopher as it looks like he knows who orchestrated the kidnapping, in the meantime the FBI is still investigating it, maybe he will help them find out stuff.

    Stop being stupid, act like yiden and don’t judge evryone on what you hear, just rather focus on your own stuff, and ask not be judged by hashem for our own wrong doings!!!

  10. @”realjew”247, I’d like to speak to the FBI to inform them of the differences between REAL JEWS as opposed to this abusive, cultic manmade religion and it’s members of Jewish origin.

  11. why should he be released??? If he is innocent then him defend himself from jail. in jail, one less monster to do his craziness to others.

  12. Milhouse, their point of view is exactly what the problem is here.

    Criminals all have their points of view but that doesn’t mean they have a right to their criminal behaviors.

  13. The mother took the kids from their usual place of residence, and they were being returned to their usual place pf residence. Leave the innocent man alone, please. thank you.

  14. first how about the kidnapping of the 1000 of (TIMON) Yaman kids, baby’s by the Zionist kidnappers and sold them all over the world, THEY are the REAL KIDNAPPERS,
    when will they rot in jail, , just get out of your box, look up a little history,
    BTW the kids are still not by the mother, they are by Families under the restriction of NYC Administration for Children’s Services for the simple reason,They DON’T WANA BE BY THE MOTHER, and this defense will for sure be used in court
    so pleas GET “ALL” the facts clear before doing an article
    an other thing this 14 year old girl, Called 911 many times, that she is kidnapped by the family where she was placed true the ACS , the NYPD kept cumming to that family, confirmed by neighbors,

  15. Yay! More juicy lashon hara! (Even though the YWN news Posek, who’s paid a salary by YWN and seemingly got semicha from YWN publicly stated its not LH rather a mitzvah to speak about these things openly.

  16. where will he get 10$ million from??? from the money that was “sent to feed the cult members”?
    who were the 9 other sighners (should be cought too-were probably part of the kidnapping sceme!)

  17. Why does YWN feel as important to make a new story that Aron Rosner was the driver? Is it not bad enough what he did till now, that they feel it for important to put on him something he didn’t do.

  18. This is very sad. Everyone’s reactions are extremely inappropriate. Rosner is just as much of a victim of the cult as anyone else is. He has been brainwashed to the point that none of us should in know, r”l it it well-known that ex-lev tahor members have said themselves that while they were still brainwashed they would throw rocks or do other things to outsiders trying to invade, and trying to get in the way of the “right way of life” Eisner is an extremely mislead person. This is very sad.
    Of course he is dangerous, and needs to be put away, but alas, not with cheering from the sidelines. We should be crying.

  19. B”H Hashem judges us to what he thinks we should be judged and not according to YWN writers and its readers.

    We have so much judges here, investigators, and much more.

    Don’t be stupid. all the halochos you are citing from the torah, where in the times of the beis hamikdosh, and needed witnesses, which in this case where the witness is a few papers you read on the internet, would never ever have been counted as witness in those times. Look up the rambam and much more what’s needed to be calles witness and hasrouah.

    Rather kkep your mouths shut. Shev v’al taaseh udif.
    Why talk Loshon Hora when you don’t know for sure what the case is, especially when you know for yourself that even the FBI still has a sofik!!

  20. This story, and much of what passes for “news” on this site is rechilus at best but often crosses into lashon hara, bizuy talmidei chachamim, blatatant sheker and laitzanus. But, it has the word “Yeshiva” in the title, so, it must be glatt kosher.

  21. @”realJew”247, so there was no chillul Shabbos involved in this abuction of the children? The LT group doesn’t cut itself off from the rest of klal Yisroel?
    Who are your Rabbonim -the Helbrans and the Rosens? You don’t force preteens and teens together married unlike the rest of klal Yisroel who never marry under 17 years of age with the vast majority over 18-19 years of age? Why are you in Guatemala when you “established ” yourself originally in the US and Canada? Why does the rest of klal Yisroel not have a problem( at this time) living in these countries? Do you eat from Badatz and Hishachdus hechsheirim?

    Do you pledge to submit your will to your leaders? What happens to a member whom the leaders feel acted out of line? Why do hide and obscure yourselves ? WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO HIDE?

  22. FreidFish, aren’t the cult leaders brainwashed too? So who is to blame for all the innocents imprisoned in the cult?

    The Nazis were also brainwashed so gets to bear the guilt of their actions? Only Hitler ym”s? Don’t forget, he wasn’t normal either.

  23. The judge forgot one other condition to add and that is: he should be transferred to a psychiatric center EMERGENCY!

  24. @ philosopher
    you mix up a few things in to 1.
    Yes, the LT Group are different then us, and do have their ways which we believe is against the torah.
    But rather don’t make them worse then mizrachi or so said conservatives if you wanna go to that extreme, they don’t deserve the punishment you choose, and to be masered and imprisoned by our own people, when those others I mentioned you will cll tinok shenishbah etc.

    No. You mention that yiden don’t marry younger then 17 etc. well one of the first shiduchim of klal yisroel is mentioned in the torah, yitzchak was about 40, and rivka was 3. I’m not agreeing to what they do, just rather saying that the young age is not against the torah, and as known a father can accept kidushin of a young daughter etc.

    No. I do “NOT” live in Guatemala b”h, and don’t think it’s normal to live there, and to live their lifestyle, but in the same time I don’t think the way to fix these problems is the way it’s getting done.
    Rather I do know that a group of askanim which have a record of askanes l’shem shomayim and have succeeded in much things, were negotiating with them on how to let the people which wanna leave there, leave peacefully, and in a manner which both will benefit, and now the situation just became worse, and the ones which wanted to leave, don’t all wanna leave now seeing that people out here do things against the torah, on which we daven 3 times a day v’lamalshinim etc. and they say they don’t wanna live in such a environment.

    Now about chilul Shabbos, and the pledges your talking about,
    At the meantime the proof to that is only from sites like YWN and more lashan hara sites, which wanna smear a bad face on these people, and as well from some government written papers. So talking about halacha, it’s possible they didn’t obey any isur shabbos even if said is true, for ex. the driver was a non-jew and more ways which the torah clearly tells us the halacha, and even though we don’t do things on shabbes, it’s possible that it was worked out in a way that there was no clear isur shabbos (it’s sad for what it is, but doesn’t change facts, which I don’t know either), and as well the torah says that for punishing a mechalel shabbos we need 2 witnesses and a warning with witnesses before, which was clearly not in this case.

    So rather get to the chilul shabbos done in our streets by people we cry not to tell them anything because they’re tenoikes shenishba, and they do have witnesses and warnings weekly.

    Let’s not be blunt, klal yisroel here does not have the best looks by the government, and they wanna eat us up alive, as we always have quiet streets and no crime records, this hurts them, and they’re jealous, and they try to smear the biggest stories on us, made out of some small stupid stuff they catch in the Jewish communities, and go to all news stations etc. in the time when such stories happen daily in other communities and area’s and we don’t even hear about them.

    And to you @philosopher just 1 more word.
    Please do not compare Lev Tahor to the Nazi’s, your acting nothing worse then the Iranian’s and all other’s comparing people to the Nazi’s. You could do a extra tshuva for that.

  25. @”realjew”247, I forgot to ask you in my previous post why the members of this “derhoibene group” are required to cut off from family who are not part of Lev Tahor. Please explain that “minhug”.

  26. @”realjew”247, your post is one mishmash of jumbled words. This cult is practicing it’s own religion, period.

    You have not answered who their Rabbonim are because they don’t have any. To take a pusek, word, or event from the Torah and point to that and say “you see they did that then so we could do it too”…-
    that kind behavior is why the Karuim are not part of klal Yisroel today. I keep on repeating this, you need ehrliche Rabbonim to show how to live a Torah life by paskening halacha the correct way. Otherwise you end up creating your own religion that excuses away desecration of Shabbos and other desecration of halacha that I’m sure is going on in Lev Tahor because THIS GROUP HAS NO RABBONIM to pasken shailos and guide them. Their “leaders” guide them… Ask any Rav if it’s ok to marry off a kid of 13-14 years of age because our ancestors did so. I guarantee you they would say without hesitation that this is not how we do it today- this is not the minhug of our times. The Torah is not a free for all that we read line by line and decide halacha accrording to how our ancestors lived 2,000-3,000 years ago.

    I will not dissect your entire mumble jumble post defending Lev Tahor cause I have no patience to do that. The bottom line is that you have skirted most of my questions about this evil cult and are writing you comments based on misplaced feelings of “ahaves Yisroel” which this is not. You are not thinking rationally as are all those who are defending this cult and helping them through askonos or financially.

  27. “philosopher”, you say :”cut off from family who are not part of Lev Tahor”….those people not part of Lev Tahor” are chilonim who, just like you “philosopher”, frown on, oppose Torah true Judaism, who mislead and incite… yes just like you “philosopher”.

  28. T2T: I may not be a mayvin so not among those who understand the basis for your allegation that the Satmar Rebbe is involved or is a supporter of the LT cult. There are lots of issues where one might be critical of Satmar but I cannot imagine either R’ Aron or Zalman would want to be associated with these crazies.

  29. @”realjew”247, one point I did want to touch on is that you are saying that people did want to leave and now they don’t want to because they see how we live. First of all, to them all frum Jews who are not part of their cult, whether they are Satmer, whether they are Kasho, whichever frum group you can think of, the cult’s ideology is in any case that they none of us are really frum, only they are. That’s their mentality already and it has nothing to do with what is spoken about this cult. Besides, I highly doubt the majority of the members of this group are reading YWN or other such sites …

    And please explain why there needs to be askonos on behalf of those who want to leave this cult. What kind of controlling and abusive cult is this which doesn’t let individuals simply leave if they want to? You have to negotiate to let the people leave peacefully?! What kind of nutty, abusive and controlling mafia “leadership” does this cult have?

    This is a group you are defending?!

  30. ready now, yes, yes, I know that by now…klal Yisroel are all really Chilonim and only the members of Lev Tahor are tzaddikim! Especially their leaders! Such moiredige, derhoibene tzaddikim you all are, mamesh I’m jealous of your derhoibenkeit…

  31. Realjew and readynow i dont look down upon mizrachi (Chilonim) and conservative, I feel BAD for them because they dont know what its like to live a torah life but that doesn’t give me an excuse to kidnap them!

  32. Gadolhadorah
    January 16, 2019 8:28 pm at 8:28 pm

    T2T: I may not be a mayvin so not among those who understand the basis for your allegation that the Satmar Rebbe is involved or is a supporter of the LT cult. There are lots of issues where one might be critical of Satmar but I cannot imagine either R’ Aron or Zalman would want to be associated with these crazies.
    ————————————
    Fitstly i never mentionex a word about the satmar rebbe.
    2ndly,
    The fact that your arent the mavin here,(aka)is why your not getting it. Nothing personal!

  33. philosopher, you wrote ”cut off from family who are not part of Lev Tahor”, and that is who I was referring to, so are you one of them? Could be. Sounds like it.

  34. @ready now you are speaking loshon horah by calling these ex-LT members “chilonim” and claiming they are not frum.

    The ex-LT members are all shomer Torah umitzvos since leaving the cult and I haven’t even seen any of them leave the chassidish derech.

    Lev Tohor is worse than a conservative movement as they not only do not keep the yud-gimel ikrim and aren’t shomer torah misinai, they imprison their members in a cult without escape. Anyone that tries to leave cannot contact their own children, their parents, or siblings. It is a cruel cult, and not our religion.

    The FBI are not the ones who can stop it. The only people that can stop it is us, stop giving them money, put them in cherem when they visit our kehillos, don’t give them aliyos in shul when they come fundraising and let’s get a BD of rabbonim from across the spectrum to pasken they are a dangerous cult and end any doubt.

  35. @philosopher
    You like to attack and not answer according to what’s written.

    I have clearly stated that I do “NOT” believe in their ways, and don’t think they’re right, although, I will use your words, you have mentioned that they have no rabonim on their side, in fact there is not one rav that has approved the mesireh etc. and not one rav has come out publicly to do what is being done now. But they did have rabonim that wrote letters of support for them, such as Harav Wosner from montreal and more very prominent rabonim, although I don’t think they wrote their support letters to support them in the way they lead their community, rather to support them financially, but in fact they have that support, and against I have not seen only by the big prominent dayan YWN and @philosopher and more well known people that make the torah fit into their minds rather then fitting their minds into the torah.

    Please do not use my words to say I support, but this case here was a custody battle which could have ended much smoother without causing a chilul hashem in the whole world.

    Yes you are right that really there should be no need to need askonim to help out those that wanna escape the place, but that gives no heter for mesireh etc.

    No. they are not the biggest tzadikim, but you are neither. Rather keep your mouth shut, and don’t judge others so quick, shev v’al taaseh odif, we could all keep quiet and stay out of all of this, rather then talkin lashan hora, rechiles and so much more. Let’s not look for all “these” mitzvos.

  36. This is a Huge mistake to let this THUG out on bail!!! Read my lips: he WILL flee the country sooner or later!!!! There is no need to a-liberate on this SICK matter, this cult has lots of experience as how to obtain false Passports and I D… Give it some time and everyone will wonder “where did HE escape to” ?????????????

  37. @”realjew”247, they do not have Rabbonim that they follow and that was my point. I never said that they don’t have a few naive Rabbonim who lend their support. In fact, that is the very problem. If a person is dressed very frum looking, many Yidden, and also some Rabbonim, will jump to their defense.

    Shabtzi Zvi also had Rabbonim who supported him. These Rabbonim are naive in these matters and only want to help “their fellow Jews”, they have no clue how cults operate. Rabbonim didn’t protest against the Early Christians, who were Jews, either. The bottom line is, that the cults don’t rely on these same naive Rabbonim for halachik guidence and advice and that is the issue here.

    If you are not defending the cult, their leaders and behavior, what exactly are you arguing about?

    We are not arguing here about Rosner. Nobody is- it’s up to the court to see whether there’s proof or not ( although $10 million dollars bail shows something of the judge’s initial judgment based on proof…) But let me assure you- the didnapping didn’t happen on it’s own with no cult members involved.

    I’m not sure why you are bringing in the issue over custody, we are talking about a kidnapping in case you forgot.

    The problem is that whether or not the court will find him guilty based on proof we’ll have naive and stupid people like you start fundraising, askonos and all kind of shenanigans to get him, or other arrested cult leaders out of jail.

    Again, what’s your point in defending them if you don’t think they are right? AND I WILL PROTEST LOUDLY AND CONTINOUSLY ON BEHALF OF ALL INNOCENT PEOPLE TRAPPED IN THIS CULT, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO WANT TO ESCWPE AND CAN’T. While there are so many closing their eyes, ears and hearts to you pain, I feel it. I will tear down these reshaim who keep you in shakles!

    Shame on you @”realjew”247 to argue that it’s mesirah to talk about those who abuse and those who enslave the minds and bodies of innocent people!

  38. “there should be no need to need askonim to help out those that wanna escape the place”

    why would anyone wish to escape from such a utopia?

  39. @”realjew”247 I want to clarify my previous post that it’s not Rabbonim who are supporting Lev Tahor, it was one Rav who at a certain point did askanos on their behalf when the Canadian government took away a few children from their parents. I’m not sure what he thinks today. Maybe there are another 1 or 2 Rabbonim who did or do currei support them as well, I don’t know of any, I’m simply assuming so because I can see that being the case. We can be dan l’kaf zchus that when they see cult members’ long peyos and shvartze zucken they think they are very ehrlich. They don’t understand how cults operate because b”H, besides for LT, we don’t have cult issues.

  40. its a mitzvah to be mefarsem any rov that supports them (i highly doubt that any respecable rov does)
    thats the issue with lev tahor they have no rov ,no posek ,thats why its a cult
    no relationship to judaism
    and stop with this loshon hara business
    gneiva aryos is just as bad or worse

  41. Amazing that someone can still pull the custody card here.Mr Rosner and his brothers are not blood-related to these 2 shefelach.mr mayer rosner of guatemala is father-in-law to the 14 yr old girl.How they let themselves get involved in legal kidnapping is beyond me…They cant even try to use it as defense THEY ARE NOT THE FATHER! (Acting on his behalf doesnt change the kidnapping charge,and u see the defense didnt use that claim cuz wont hold water)

  42. Ash wrote :@ready now you are speaking loshon horah by calling these ex-LT members “chilonim” and claiming they are not frum.
    Well Ash, there is video of one ex member who admitted he was not following Torah, has v sholom!

    The father is allowed to send a shaliach to return his children to him.

    Any decent Rabbinical leader should support Lev Tahor, it is a mitzvah, and to say otherwise is folly.