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Lets all gather around BMG bein hasdarim and sing kumbaya together.
PBA or Yungerman, perhaps you would explain what it means to you so a discussion can ensue? Clearly the troll and his alter ego are gone.
Start doing kiruv on a college campus, you will be proficient in many sifrei NACH before long just to keep ahead of the evangelicals and jews for j missionaries who are going after yiddishe neshamos.
I became quite proficient in sefer tehillim, yeshaya, yirmiya and much of tri asar after meeting a messianic jew on a business trip more than 15 years ago.
42. I believe he is a bermuda shorts and flip flops type of a guy. Not sure if he is a lite beer drinker though.
The dress code is already changing. White shirts are passe. A finely starched Brooks Brothers or other high end shirt with the latest style “elvis like” tight pants (minus the bell bottoms), the latest trend in glasses and loafers are all the rage now. As are Aeropostale polos and ts for the summer and their sweatshirts for the fall.
I personally dont live in Lakewood because the realtor I dealt with wa honest enough to tell me, dont bother, you will never get your kids into any yeshiva or girls school. In his honesty and candor he told me point blank I have too many strikes against me. I work, wear “colored” shirts, I let my over bar mitzvah boys do the same, take english studies seriously and make sure my kids do the same (and demand the same from the yeshiva) am clean shaven (which in of itself he told me is not bad, but taken together with everything else, creates a package), the light grey pants and navy blue sport jacket just seemed to “over the top” that people would suspect the kashrus in my home and might consider staying away from the wine in my house (OK, i made up the ones about the kashrus). Point being, I was told dont move here because too many people dont want you, and if you do, you wont be welcome. True or not, we took his advice and stayed in Flatbush.
“I don’t know if his rabbeim know”
If they dont, tell them. If they do, let them deal with it.
Perhaps next year it will be green shirts.
Where is this tosafos?
“just adding i heard that even in some yeshivos in europe they wore colored shirts”
You don’t have to go back to Europe to find bachurim wearing colored shirts. Less than 30 years ago when I was in high school in Yeshiva of Staten Island many older bachurim wore blue and brown shirts. We used to debate who was a “greaseball” and one opinion was someone who wore brown pants and a blue shirt and vice versa.
Marines don’t wear the same uniform as infantrymen of the army, pilots in the airforce or sailors in the navy. They are all members of the same armed forces under the leadership of the same commander in chief though. Their roles are different but always complimentary to each other while all working towards the same goal. Sure there is playful bickering and rivalry among the different branches of the armed forces, but when push comes to shove, on the battlefield they all have each others backs while fighting for the same goal. As long as they see the appropriate flag sewn into the uniform, they know who is on their side.
Why not WITS?
Unfortunately, some people believe the tzelem elokim is dressed in a white shirt.
Vancouver has a better hockey team. As to which Rabbeim you will be more matzliach with, you would be best served by speaking to those Rabbeim.
It depends. Is your son a penguin? Waiter? Mortician? Does he play an instrument at the Met? Some yeshivas have decided, that like those professions a white shirt identifies one with the yeshiva, either wear the uniform or enroll elsewhere. I personally send my sons to a yeshiva whose dress code calls for button down shirts that must be either white or light blue with variations on both that allows for some sort of pinstripe. I personally only wear a white shirt when I wear a suit (which I do not wear for work).
Nechomah. are you advocating sitting on the sofa eating chips and reading a book all day?
Snake was on every Nokia phone. Tetris came with every IBM computer.
One many not be able to learn “all the time”, but one can certainly be an eved hashem, all of the time in whatever they do.
I assume after Yerushalayim and anything else in Eretz Yisroel? by the very fact that Yerushalayim, is Ihr Hakodesh, makes it the best city in my book. After Yerushalayim, anywhere in E”Y would rank ahead of anything in CH”L.
I don’t think one has to read much into the initiative. You want to set up a 25 year old male with 24 year old female great, however there has to be something in it for the shadchan. It is way easier to set up the easy low hanging fruit and collect shadchanus for comparatively less effort than to spend time and lots of effort on someone older. This “game changer” says to the shadchanim, go for it, we already have the money, your efforts will not go unrewarded, guaranteed, in fact, we’ve come up with numbers so outrageuos and obscene, you’ll be drooling over the names on the list.
Why would you want/need 2 screen names?
With everything written above, men can (and do unfortunately) also dress in an untznuis manner. I find that the current style of pants worn by some bachurim these days shows off a bit to many “curves”.
It is impossible to learn all the time. One must daven, eat and sleep at some point every day.
Was that the question asked?
I’m not a Yated reader with the exception of the centerfold pictures (its important to know what gadol or what knacker made or attended a simcha during the week) and the Readers Write (need something to read in the bathroom over shabbos). What specifically was the question asked? If it was worded in such a way that the question was basicly, are you all for trying something new to increase shidduchim being redt to older singles, what do you expect them to answer? Can someone provide the specific question asked with an answer or two for those of us who don’t read the yated?
Rick? I always thought his name is Mark Sanchez.
I’m not an expert in Thanksgiving day celebrations or how to celebrate, but isnt Thanksgiving known for watching football and eating dinner with family? Just ensure the drivers are home by then. when is kickoff for the first game of the day, 3:00?
If one can find a kosher way to use the treife internet, surely one can find a kosher way to enjoy athletics.
The way you describe it (I have not heard this reported elsewhere, nor do I care to look online for the story), you make it look like a back room deal between the district board (which is controlled by frum jews) and the company (owned by frum jews), with the employees left holding the bag. Is this what the employees (the drivers) are claiming and grumbling about?
For any initiative to be successful, some mindsets have to change. One of those mindsets is the idea that girls are somehow corrupted and are no good (certainly no longer the best or the ideal) by exposure to college and/or the workforce. If we are encouraging prioritizing shidduchim for girls 22/23 over those 19/20, girls will have to find something to do for 4 years. How many frum female OT, PT or Speech therapists can the market bear, especially those educated at degree mills that promise degrees in 10 months or less? How many morah/teacher positions are available? Girls will start going to 4 year programs, getting 4 year degress in things like accounting and start working 9-5 jobs. Will those girls be looked at sidways as “college girls” and “modern working girls”?
I dont know what the answer is, but if the goal is to stop marrying at 19/20 and instead do so at 22/23, those 2-3 years will have to be filled with SOMETHING.
Are there any shadchanim who believe that even today, a working girl (this does not mean a pre school assistant or a PT in a frum firm) or a college educated girl is not somehow looked on as inferior goods? If not, please let me know, I know several wonderful girls…
For what its worth, I also have to go into work on Thanksgiving. I knew that when I took my job, do I have a legitimate beef with my employer that I have to go in thanksgiving?
I don’t live in Lakewood and don’t know the dynamics of the contract between the schools, the school districs, the state governement, the bus company and the students who get bussed. Who entered into a contract with whom to provide bussing on “school days”? Who agreed to those terms and who is the beneficiary of those terms? Who hired the drivers? Under what terms? Did the terms of the contract change since inception that suddenly people are surprised?
Based on what people are writing here, seems that if drivers have a beef with anyone, it is their emploers who entered into a contract at terms they the drivers, don’t like. There is no chillul hashem here (unless a jew owns the bus company, was aware of these terms and neglected to tell the drivers).
From the bits and pieces I am picking up here, seems to me that the bus drivers should have a beef with their employer(s) not the reciepients of the service. Their employers signed a contract and it is their responsibility to know what they signed. If they assumed and assumed wrong, again, they are at fault, not parents who get the service. Admittedly, they are easier targets, but still doesn’t make them legitimate targets.
DY: Regarding the comment about birthday, yes it was meant as a joke. Probably the wrong place to joke. The topic, as divisive as it might be, is a serious one. My comment about ensuring shadchanim get paid, was not meant to imply they should not. Rather, the point I wanted to convey is that this particular initiative looks to be more of one to ensure shadchanim get paid than one of setting up older singles. Yes, assurances that they wont be stiffed might encourage shadchanim to work on such shidduchim, but that is not what NASI is saying, or how they are promoting this game changing plan.
PBA/Passfan. We will have to agree to disagree with how we look at the math and its causes. I will continue to do the things I do, and you continue to do the things you do and we should both be matzliach, along with NASI and all other initiatives out there, in helping those who want to get married under, the chuppah as quickly and painlessly as possible.
If you had small children or were a small child, how could you forget the teletubbies.
And a fine tackle he was. I wonder how the frum world will react if/when Eliezer Sherbatov makes it to the NHL.
Didnt hear any bus drivers complain on chol hamoed.
misguided, foolish, too much free time on their hands, easily swayed, impressionable, but not traitors.
I can provide a pesach. it doesnt taste nearly as good as say nestle, hersheys, godiva, turkey hill….. had you known how bad it tastes, you would never have accepted such a stringency.
Carbon paper? 🙂
Passfan. That’s an assumption you are making.
Pba. The “study” had its flaws. You can find the discussions of that study on YWN and elsewhere. Plenty available 21-22 year olds in brooklyn college, queens college, even touro, problem is, nobody wants to date them. They exist and are available. Perhaps the yeshiva crowd that NASI is trying to help, should open its eyes and look beyond its own daled amos.
The money held in escrow by NASI is the shadchanus from the girls side.
Were shadchanim wary of spening time setting up an older girl and not getting what they felt was their due compensation for their time and efforts, so that now NASI is telling them, go for it, the shadchanus is guaranteed? Only girls who pay in money are on “the list” so shadchanim now know where they won’t get stiffed. Forgive me for saying this, sounds like this is an initiative to ensure shadchanim get paid, not to facilitate shidduchim. If this was an initiative to facilitate shidduchim, the 500 administrative fee should be enough for inclusion on “the list”. Being on the list it seems comes with no other guarantees, not even a call from a shadchan.
Get chocolate with an OU-D from eretz yisrael. Good chance it is is chalav yisrael too.
Ok. We agree on the following. There are not enough type X males available for all the females who want them.
What I am saying is that people should wake up and understand that type Y males are also perfectly fine husbands a bas yisroel and when that happens the available pool of males has suddenly increased. I think if this ever happens, many who hang out in the type X camp, will suddenly jump into the type Y camp as well seeing that they no longer have to play the part of a type X. While writing this I am reminded of a song written by a friend of my wife called “yeshiva charade”, a parody of the song yeshivishe reid, about the bachur who has no interest in learning three sedarim a day but does so for a shidduch, otherwise nobody will chase him.
Imitation is the best form of flattery though.
Its not so pashut. Or poshit. Or poshut for that matter.
“There are more girls (of all types cumulative) available than guys (of all types cumulative) available.”
This is not true. Certainly not to the extent that things have reached, as people call it “crisis proportions”.
Snopes.
“Remember, there are more girls available than guys available.”
What I think is a more accurate statement is that there are more girls looking for a specific type of boy than there are boys of that type. The proliferation of seminaries and girls who attend them in the last 15-20 years has resulted in girls being told that only X is what you want, only X is a torah life and only X is what a “real” bas yisroel wants. Girls are smart enough to see through the phonies and can tell who is an X and who is an X wannabe. Many who get married when they are 24 or 25 end up marrying those “other types” who they would reject out of hand when they are 19 or 20.
“Young women on the list will be given the contact information of all the shadchanim receiving the list.”
These shadchanim, how do they view the money held by NASI? Will they be asking their usual “fee” and view the NASI money as a bonus? Will they forgo their normal fee and accept whatever is being held by NASI as shadchanus? Will there be some formal agreement signed by NASI, Shadchanim who are part of the program and the singles (and/or their parents) spelling out the obligations of NASI, the shadchanim and the participating singles?
“If a young woman has a birthday within 12 months of joining”
Is it possible not to?