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Charlie, would you like to expound on your statement regarding laissez-faire? It seems to me that its main point is that government should not be coercive regarding economic activity. Everyone under his own vine and fig tree. As for charity, we all know that the highest form of charity is giving someone a productive job (and not make-work – see Shach Yoreh Deah 249:7). Capitalism does this best whereas as Socialism keeps people in dependency so that they will feel obligated to vote for the party that “benefits” them.As for the rest of Rand’s philosophy, she has her own definition of selfishness.For example, she says that a man should risk his life for his wife as he cannot bear life without her. However, I agree that most of her beliefs are anti-Tora. Certainly her atheism but also her super-rationalism, which denies emuna.
1. The State is good because it is a mitzva (Ramban Sefer HaMitzvot). It was obviously brought about by Hashem and we see that it is a leap forward in the unfolding Geula.
2. The riots of 5709 were caused by Arab nationalism and the lack of response of British security forces.Rav Kook refused to shake Norman Bentwich’s hand because of this. The history of Jews in Arab lands is a history of persecution and this is well known to anyone who has studied even a little of the history.Rav Sonnenfeld also refused to sign away the Kotel. Nobody has that right as it is not the property of any individual or group but of Am Yisrael.In nay case, we have an obligation to go to war if necessary to conquer and inhabit EY as set forth by Ramban.
3. It is a great mitzva to go into the IDF. Many gedolim say so and the pillars of Halacha such as Rambam say so. As for rov, when it was pointed out to the Satmar rebbe that he was a daat yachid he said that rov only applies when there is a discussion among the Sanhedrin or within a bet din.
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Health,
1. The tiny yishuv could not possibly have withstood the Arabs in 5708 and 5727 or take in double it’s size in ten years without Hashem’s help.We will accept whomever He sends as shelichim (Me’ila 17a).
2. A melech is not needed for a milchemet mitzva. This is proven by the fact that various judges conducted wars even before they became judges. Anyway, according to Rav Kook any leader accepted by the people has the din of melech for these matters. This is also the mashmaut of the Netziv on the mitzva of appointing a king.In any case, all go into the army in a milchemet mitzva (Rambam Hilchot Melachim 7:4). The leader (whatever his technical title is) compels them if necessary (ibid 4:2).
Shreck,
1. The Geula comes slowly in stages (Yerushalmi Berachot 1:1).
2. We accept miracles from wherever and through whomever Hashem sends them (Megilla 17a).
3. While here are problems, in Israel Shabbat and Jewish holidays are national days of rest. Army mess halls have signs “Keep Kosher! That’s an order!” and during Pesach there are signs at the entrance to bases that it is prohibited to bringin chametz. Etc., etc.
4. Hashem uses the IDF as a keli to protect us. This is called “derech hateiva”.
Health, everybody agrees that the real learners should continue to receive deferments. The real question is whether an entire subgroup (which is growing) should spend all of there time registered in yeshivot and kollelim (those for are not able to learn all day simply wander about or get into trouble)or if for society’s benefit and their benefit they should be pushed into the world of army service and productive work.
Shalom, actualy rhere is a case before the US Supreme Court challenging the right to withhold funds from an organization that does not declare itself opposed to certain actions. Stay tuned. However, you are correct that the word “gezeira” is misused today. If the government cuts the budget so that Israel does not wind up like Spain or Greece that is caled a gezeira.
Health, we have of State of Israel because Hashem wants us to have a state. It is improving all of the time with the unfolding of the Geula. As for Turkey, if you think Erdogan is so great go live under him yourself.As for bnei Tora, they are davka the first who should go into the army. They are the hard core who even go to a milchemet reshut (Sota 44a).
Does this mean that they want more non-learners out of the yeshivot and kollelim and into the army and work force?
On the contrary, it is a Tora obligation (Rambam Hilchot Melachim 5:1 and 7:4)and it is forbidden for them to think of their families or personal safety (ibid 7:15). Deserters’ forelegs can be cut off by people who are tough and aggressive (ibid Halacha 4).
Popa, I do not know where you live or have lived but bli ayin hara I have lived in Israel for 26 (ad 120) years. While I am not generally consulted, it would be incredible if there was a civil war and I did not hear about it. I would certainly have known about rabbanim being murdered by government hit squads.
On the contrary, as Rav Lior said this will strengthen the yeshiva world and the Chareidi community in general. The yeshivot and kollelim will return to being elite institutions to the benefit of real learners and those that can’t learn full-time will have socially acceptable alternatives.
Popa, I have never heard such things. Certainly have been no slaughters, intrigues or civil war (and Rambam includes the period of Herod, who was even worse), As for Ben Hecht’s accusations, his book was a political polemic and should be judged as such. However, even he does not make such accusations. His focus is the Kastner affair, which is still very controversial. Some say that Kastner was a great tzaddik who saved 1,670 Jews. Others say the opposite. Hashem is the final judge.
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The Hasmoneans did much worse aveirot than the worst leftist would dream of doing (like slaughtering the Chachamim). How much more so should we celebrate the founding of the State of Israel and say the full Hallel with a beracha
Health,
1. They will not be weeded out until fiscal constraints compel it.
2. They should be given alternatives that will make them productive citizens, starting with Army service.
Health, the problem is that they are sitting and “learning” in public libraries (i am currently sitting between two “learners” – one is watching a SciFi movie and the other is watching something from which I had to avert my eyes) – except for those walking the streets and “learning”. The real learners will continue to learn.
The Tzitz Eliezer takes a middle position. Being that in Israel many wear them out it is not yohira but if someone feels that it would lead to a chillul Hashem he can wear them inside. On the other hand, Rav Yaakov Kaminetzky was very upset iwth someone who did not wear a kipa at work as he thought that the person needed it to remind himself of who he was whereas he allowed someone wth more yirat Shemayim to refrain where the boss insisted on bareheadedness.
DY, b’toch ami ani yoshev.I do not, though, have a negative view of Chareidim. I have a negative view of some parts of their ideology.
“What do you think you’ll find in the Beis Midrash?”
Some learners and many empty seats.
I think that rocket attacks are the result of weakness (real or perceived) of the politicians who decide when and how to react. As for lomdei Tora, anyone who goes to Chareidi neighborhoods (outside) and public libraries during seder hours knows that many of those registered are not killing themselves in the tent of Tora.
On the contrary, Rambam says that Chazal went according to the scientific knowledge of their time and that this is proper so long as it is accepted scientifically (Moreh Nevuchim 3:14 at the end, Hilchot Kidush HaChodesh 1:24)although for halachic purposes it might not make a difference (Hilchot Shechita 10:12-13).
About, Rav Ovadia said the opposite. There would not be the concept of a yeshiva as we know it without the IDF. As for your comment about intentions, I dispute it and demand to see your survey.
1. The contention that the IDF “persecutes” Orthodox Jews is nonsense. In fact the majority of the candidates in officer training courses are Orthodox. Army kitchens are kosher and it is assur to bring chametz on bases during Pesach – and a son of one of my friends said that his base is even kitniot-free.
2. It is a mitzva d’Oraita to serve in the IDF (Ramban Sefer HaMitzvot Mitzvot that Rambam “forgot” Mitzva 4, Rambam Hilchot Shabbat 2:23 and Hilchot Melachim 7:4, Mishpat Cohen 143, Tzitz Eliezer 13:100)
3. All those who meavzeh rabbanim and quote sharp statements of gedolim should learn Baba Metzia 83b regarding what a gadol may say and what an am ha’aretz may say.
Kanoi, I don’t know where you live but b”H I have lived in Israel for 25 years and I know people who work even though they have not done the Army for various reasons (too old when they came, medical reasons etc.). I also know young men who worked before their actual enlistment date. Once more, an Israeli citizen who is not learning full time (or at least registered in a yeshiva/kollel and not caught) is eligible for the draft. Until and unless he actually enlists he may work for whomever will hire him. It could be that employers will not be quick to hire someone who may be drafted in the near future but
that is their consideration. So far as the law is concerned they may hire them.
Kwaiker, you are guilty of hotzaat shem ra on many Jews and bizui talmid chacham (RAV Goren).
Akuperma, there is no law that states that a person cannot work unless he has completed army service. If someone is not learning full-time (i.e. he is working) he is then subject to the draft assuming that he meets the age and medical requirements.
Bentsch,
“Any Arab violence after the advent of zionism (which predates ’48) can be attributed to it.” How about “any Arab violence after you were born can be attributed to you”? Just as logical.
“Jews were never big volunteers in serving the military”. In EY they were.
What about all the double-shirkers who are registered with yeshivot and kollelim but spend their time wandering the streets and hanging around the coffee machine?
It’s called a Napoleon complex. They are fearful because of their small stature so they attack in imagined self-defense.
Maybe they’ll become Religious Zionists.
I have never seen anything waved over the baby. In fact, the baby is not even present. The men read portions from the Zohar regarding berit mila and then eat so as to say each of the food brachot.There is no halacha that one must be 40. Many say that one must be 40 to learn Kabbala but the Chafetz Chaim and Rav Mordechai Eliahu say that this does not apply to just reading from the Zohar.
Akuperma, am hanivchar does not mean superiority but a special mission. A Jew can rise higher than a Goy but he can also fall lower. It all depends on his individual deeds.
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Kanoi, do you have others put on tefillin, daven, etc. for you so as not to be mavatel Tora? What about all those who are registered in yeshivot and kolelim but are not exactly learning every second?
It is a mitzva for every able-bodied Jew to serve in the Israeli army in some capacity, even those who have exemptions in non-emergency cases.(Rambam Hilchot Melachim 7:4). Even women should do some support work (ibid with Ridbaz). If someone is really learning (and not just listed) he might be given an exemption but really he should begin every day with a statementthat he is learning for the success of the Army. One cannot compare Israel in its present situation to America even during WW2.
Hinduism is definitely avoda zara. There is a well-known machloket between Rambam and Rabbenu Tam if Natzrut is a”z for non-Jews (although all agree that it is for us) as they associate another being with Hashem (shituf). Almost all (the Ran disagrees) hold that Islam is not.
Uneeq, we don ot paken directly from mishnayot, we pasken from poskim down to the present. There are two dinim here:
1. What the individual is required to do by himself.
The pauper is expected to sell and move to a less expensive place. Obviously, presuming that it is not in a dangerous neighborhood.
2. What others are required to do if he does not do the right thing.
If he refuses the community is only required to pay his expenses if the poor people are few in relation to their numbers and wealth. The best course is to find him a job or set him up in business. While they cannot evict him (unless the community is the landlord) they can tell him to find an alternate source of money.
A person is obligated to live as simply as possible in order to avoid tkaing tzedaka Shulchan Aruch Yoreh Deah 255:1). Thus, if someone is liivng in an expensive house he should sell it and even live in a small rental apartment. If he is unwilling the community is only obligated to defray his expenses if the paupers are few in relation to their numbers and wealth so as not to deplete the public treaury (Aruch HaShulchan Yoreh Deah 250:4-5). Of course, if the community is wealthy the best thing would be to use their connections to find him a job similar to his previous one or set him up in business (Shulchan Aruch 249:7 and Shach seif katan 7). If this means selling his house and moving into a rental to raise the capital it would seem that he is obligated to do so,
Rav Moshe (Iggerot Moshe Even HaEzer 4:14) says that if a BT does not have the characteristic bad middot of a ben nidda we can assume that his mother was tahora b’diavad (e..g. if she went swimming before he was conceived). The Steipler Gaon (Likutim 2:23) writes a similar responsa on the matter, stating that if the BT is crowned with good Midos, he is obviously from the minority of bnei nidda who have good middot.
The Steipler goes further and questions whether the statement of the Gemara means that the child of a niddah will himself have bad middot, or that the blemish of being a ben niddah will possibly affect future generations as well. According to the latter approach, even if the ben niddah has good middot perhaps one should distance one’s self from him.
The Steipler concludes, however, that even if the blemish remains in future generations (a point which is not at all clear in the first place), there is no reason to stay away from a ben niddah. The reason for this is because who can be certain that none of his ancestors, back to the generation that left Egypt, were bnei niddah. Even if they weren’t, Chazal list ben nidah as only one of nine bad middot that produce offspring with bad middot.Among the others on the list are the children produced by unions where the mother is afraid of the father, or quarreling with the father, or the father is drunk, etc. As these are common occurrences among families that are not bnei Tora, there are probably a very low percentage of families that carry no blemish at all. Thus, there is no reason to distance one’s self from a ben niddah.
Having said that, there is something to the claim that a BT will more likely have common ground with another BT. Howeevr, I heard htat a BT is someone who is at the beginner’s stage. The natural progression is for him to become over time as if he is an FFB. On the other hand, an FFB might also be a BT, either because he went OTD or because he became significantly more observant than his parents.
As for rabbanim seeking shidduchim for his children exclusively with families of other rabbanim, this is by far not a universal practice.In the case of a son who also plans to go into the rabbanut it might be preferable because the daughter of a rav knows the benefits and drawbacks (such as shul politics). Similarly, a daughter of a rav might admirte her father’s work and want a similar husband. On the other hand, she might want someone who does not have to deal with the problems a rav faces.
HaKatan, on the contrary, conquering EY is a Tora mitzva (Ramban Sefer Hamitzvot). As for the Gimmel Shevuot, they are not paskened in any of the codes. They are not Halacha but Aggadata. Moreover, even if they once were in place they no longer are either because they were only for 1,000 years (Rav Chaim Vital – BTW, the end of the 1,000 years more or less coincides with the beginning of the Crusades. Perhaps the “terrible punishment” is for not coming back) or because the nations gave permission at the San Remo Conference (Rav Meir Simcha) or because Hashem has called (Rav Soloveichik).
However, you are correct that for us Zionism is right up there with Shema Yisrael. Both are commanded by the Tora and are basic to Judaism. As Rav Tzvi Yehuda said, we are not Religious Zionists – we are Zionist because we are religious and religious because we are Zionist. The two are inseparable.
As for lessening the imporatance of other mitzvot, does it lessen the importance of my Shema that I put on tefillin?
HaKatan, how is Zionism idolatry? On the contrary, it is carrying out the mitzvot of yishuv and conquering EY. Your other contentions are just as ludicrous. MO publications do not review bars/pubs and mixed swimming is certainly not promoted.
Ben Levi, I think that the response was obvious considering the foolish way you put it. You should have noted the fact about where your relatives live at the outset.
Discussing the Jewish view is not mourning. Rav David daSola Pool spoke about JFK after his assassination (which was on erev Shabbat). Why didn’t your sister ask her rabbi himself?
If the teachers had had guns he would have been stopped immediately.
Interestingly, just yesterday I read that some Libertarian is toting private criminal justice systems. This mafia-type act shows the need for government.
Healht,
1. We see that the Medina is established and growing. We have gone from a gray Socialist economy to a robust economic (as well as military) power that attracts international business and professional conferences. Various high-level professional conferences are being held here. The Geula is coming in stages (Yerushalmi Berachot 1:1).There are problems but instead of being part of them be a part of the solution.
2. An offfical of another religion told Rav Yonatan Eybeschutz that he should go after the rov. He said that that is only when there is a doubt. In any case, I continue to dispute you. Produce the minutes of the session where they voted.
3. Quite a few? A tiny minority of even the Chareidi community. Participating is acceptance.
It is more comfortable.As for making a kesher on Shabbat, if it is undone whenever removing the tie it is no problem as it is a maaseh hediot (anyone can do it) and temporary.
Health,
1. I am realy tired of this yes they did/no they didn’t argument about the rov. I dispute you.
2. The Satmar Rebbe in fact admitted that he was a daat yachid but denied that we go according to the rov because there was no meeting or quorum.
3. In any case, the rov can be wrong.If they are the halacha is reversed and they and those who went according to their pesak bring ????? Rambam Hilchot Shiggot ch. 12).Write down your debt in your notebook.
4. The Medina has been established. Today nobody outside of the NK quacks is against it.
The Medina is an established fact and both Rav Kook and the Imrei Emet foresaw that it would be and called for massive religious aliya so that it would be a Tora state. Their call was for the most part not heeded so we have had to travel a longer path. This is continuing (and even worse, there are some who do make aliya but do not at least vote, thus in effect voting for continued secularism). and so we are still on the path. The worst are those who continue to back-bite. They are truly the Erev Rav as they try to prevent people from making aliya.
Health, as I have mosted many times it is simply not true that most gedolim were against the establishment of the Medina. Rav Kook, Rav Tzvi Yehuda, Rav Soloveichik, Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, Rav Menahem Kasher and many others were in favor. Moreover, the chairman of the Aguda in EY, Rav Y. Y. Levin, signed the Declaration of Independence and was a Minister in the first government (this was before the fiction of a Deputy Minister with no Minister over him). Certainly almost every gadol today supports it or at least does not oppose it.
I hold that they are agents of the anti-religious whose job is to discredit us.
1. Rav Kook was a great leader and was recognized as such by all of the gedolim and especiallty Rav Sonnenfeld (who gave him a beracha to be Cohen Gadol), Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach and Rav Eliashiv. Anyone who disparages him is doing an extremely swerious aveira.
2. Anyone who sees Hashem’s Hand in history knows that the British were at the time willingto help the Geula and the Turks tried to interfere. Later, the sun set on the British Empire.
3. Both Rav Kook and the Imrei Emet called for frum aliya because they saw what would happen if there was not.The present sttate is due to the fact that frum Jews continue to err.