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@Charlie Hall,
They stopped writing mazal tov for gay marriage in the shul bulletins and they stop having females lead services.
Those were the things that the OU said the will pull the plug on.

@Charlie Hall
Wikipedia:

The Conference of European Rabbis followed suit that same month, stating, “The Conference views with great pain the deviations from religious foundations emanating from the movement called ‘Open Orthodoxy’, and warns that those who act in this spirit, alumni of the aforementioned movement… will not be recognized by us as rabbis, with all that entails.”

Similar sentiments were echoed in a press release of a ruling by the Rabbinical Alliance of America on February 22, 2018, likening Open Orthodoxy to Reform and Conservative Judaism, and stating, “The clergy of this movement are espousing philosophies of the generation of the Sin of the Golden Calf.”[36]

Prominent Central Orthodoxy leaders have also stated that Open Orthodox practices or beliefs are incongruent with Orthodox Judaism. These include Hershel Schacter, Rosh Yeshiva at Rabbi Isaac Elchanan Theological Seminary (RIETS), Yeshiva University[37][38] and Avrohom Gordimer, a rabbinic coordinator at OU Kosher[39][40] among others.

OU/RCA response
Steven Pruzansky, rabbi of Congregation Bnai Yeshurun in Teaneck, New Jersey and a trustee of the Rabbinical Council of America (RCA) on the Board of the Beth Din of America,[41] argues that Weiss’ approach closely resembles early 20th century American Conservative Judaism and in his opinion would more aptly be called “Neo-Conservative” rather than “Orthodox” Judaism. Concluding an opinion piece in Matzav.com he states that “clarity and honesty at least demand that we recognize before our eyes the creation of a new movement in Jewish life outside the Orthodox world, one that we have seen before. It can be termed … Neo-Conservatism. ‘Open Orthodoxy’ is a deceptive brand name, an advertising slogan, and an attempt to remain tethered to the Torah world to re-shape it from within, but far from the reality. The reality is that we are living through the rise of the Neo-Conservatives.” [42] Moshe Averick, a columnist for the Jewish magazine The Algemeiner Journal and author of Nonsense of a High Order: The Confused and Illusory World of the Atheist, agrees with Pruzansky that Weiss has created a new Jewish movement in America, comparing him with Isaac Mayer Wise (founder of Reform Judaism) and Solomon Schechter (founder of Conservative Judaism in the United States). He compares Weiss’s ordination of three women as Maharat on June 16, 2013, with the so-called Trefa Banquet of 1883, which marked the split between Reform and Traditional Judaism in America. Says Averick: “Weiss’ movement, a form of Judaism that enthusiastically embraces the ideologies of feminism and liberal-progressive-modernism while coating it with a strong Orthodox flavor, could accurately be labeled as Ortho-Feminist Progressive Judaism,” but “the term coined by Rabbi Steven Pruzansky … Neo-Conservative Judaism … has managed to fit neatly into the slot to the left of Orthodox Judaism and to the right of Conservative Judaism.”[43] In October 2013, dozens of rabbis who defined themselves as “members in good standing or [who] identify with the Rabbinical Council of America”, signed a letter arguing that Open Orthodoxy has “plunged ahead, again and again, across the border that divides Orthodoxy from neo-Conservatism”.[44]

The Orthodox Union (OU), Rabbinical Council of America (RCA) and National Council of Young Israel have all in turn responded to Open Orthodoxy by severing their ties with the Open Orthodox institutions. The RCA does not accredit the rabbinic qualifications of Yeshivat Chovevei Torah[45] or Yeshivat Maharat[46] graduates, the OU and Young Israel do not accept females as rabbinic clergy,[47] and Young Israel Synagogues no longer accept candidates with YCT accreditation.[48]

Two years later Lopatin resigned from the Rabbinical Council of America.[55]

The Hebrew Institute of Riverdale, where Weiss served as rabbi (“Senior Rabbi”) until his retirement in 2015, and where he continues as “Rabbi in Residence”, continues to define itself as “an open Orthodox synagogue.”[57]

@anonymous jew, you know what? the MO community is growing by leaps and bounds and new MO schools are opening right and left. Rabbi Schoenfeld is just being delusional. now your happy?

@anonymous are you saying that MO community is growing?

@annyomus
I put out a list, can you match it with the one from the MO?

@anonymous Jew, what numbers are you questioning? I got the data directly from the sources.
If you tell me what comment your referring to I will be glad to give you the data.

@rubinb, other then those 5 mentioned place MO is dying out, and even in the 5 towns there has been a hard shift to the right in the past 25 years, fyi about half of the frum doctors are yeshivish, the fact is MO communities are shrinking and black hat and chasidish are growing by leaps and bounds, look at Staten Island for example the frum community was slowly diminishing very year until the chasidim came in the frum population shot up.

The fact is the MO community is withering away. 20% of the YI shul are barely functioning or not functioning.
a bunch of MO shuls merged with Chabad, YU has declining enrollment and REITS hardly function, contrast that with Lakewood, Mir and Brisk that are bursting at the seams .
Coed Day Schools are closing up or merging and the average age at a YI is 75.

@godol, A few years ago during the Ukrainian civil war, my grandmother a Auschwitz survivor ask me if one side was most pro Jewish so I told her both were about the same, so she said if that the case let them shecht each other out, the most vicious guards in the camps were the Ukrainians.

@syag, I like your boat analogy. I happen to own a boat, I don’t force anyone onto my boat,
Some boat owner make all passengers wear life jackets, some just children and some not at all.
If you don’t like the boat rules don’t go on that boat.
Each shul can and does decide what works for them, you don’t like it do go there.

@Forshayer, CTL, Greatfulblac, Yosefserbow
I respect your right to daven beyididus or with social distance outdoors, I am asking that you show the same respect for those who wish to daven with a minyan indoors without masks.
PS Gratefulblac I remember reading somewhere that Kol Nidray can substitute for htaras nidorim.

90% of the frum olam in the tri state area is davening with minyan, just a few nervous people don’t, my guess is that almost all frum shul save some YI and Avi Weiss type shul will be operating normally on Rosh Hashanah.
I would be davening with a minyan and with a new appreciation of me begayfah.

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I get three types of mail.
Give me
Pay me
Buy me
and I can do without all of the above.
CT LAWYER, I feel for you and I feel for most real estate people, but you average zlob working from paycheck to paycheck does not have real estate trusts, so be happy that you had the gravy train for all those years.
As to all ancillary services provided by USPS, the town and county clerks are passport acceptance agencies, most check cashers will give money orders for .50 to $1, and UPS stores have pick ups stations.

Sorry if I sound crass but Taxi were hurt by Uber, Typesetters were hurt by graphics computer programing and the buggy whip manufacturers were hurt by cars, its called change.

quite a number of camps in the Poconos and a lot of postings on go daven, should be no issue of a minyan during the week

A lot of the prior generation gedolim went to public school, For example Rav Avigdor Miller, Rav Mordechai Gifter, Rav Ahron Feldman just to name a few

plenty of cheap places Syracuse or Rochester NY near shuls, that is the real Upstate

home?

@syag, I fargin all my neighbors, if he works at B and H, a Rebbi, grocery or a plumber, I mention it to show I have zero resentment to people in chinuch, my resentment comes from people who say we should pay more when they have a pretty cushy life for the most part.
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@syag, you may not like my answer of how it fits in.
When the person I meet with from the tuition committee in under Federal investigation for his business practices, when the Menhal is living rent and tax free in a house owned by the yeshiva, when his kids drive around in high end SVU leased to yeshiva, that is glass houses.
How do I know all the this? Close Friend got a Grand Jury subpoena re board member, public records on the house, and son in law was rear ended by the high end SUV

@CTRebbe,
Lets see, my sister in Real Estate in Monsey and most of the sales are in the 4-600 K range, not that high range, Lakewood is even lower, FYI there are two rebbis on my block who just renovated the houses to the tune of 300 K.
Most of the people attending the peasch programs were not Heimishe/ Yeshishish / Chasidish.
The clothing stores were losing ground to the online shop prior to corona,
Just about everyone employed by a yeshiva is driving a leased car.
I fargin the yeshiva staff but before they increase the tuition let them open the books for all to see,

@1, that’s bunk, 75% of yeshiva parents live paycheck to paycheck and a very simple lifestyle.
We had a forum here two weeks ago about the expenses of the not for profits and the salary of the administrators.
Let them show the overhead before they raise tuition,

Wow, your statement reeks from gauyvah, I feel sorry from that families that there boys marry into, no wonder we have a shidduch crises with such arrogance.