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1. Alcohol
2. Who cares as long as there’s good schnapps.
3. Stick with one type of alcohol or you’ll get sick.
4. Age and price of various types of Scotch.
5. Designated brochah acharonah guy.
Joseph, he probably just thinks we shouldn’t publicize it.
I don’t think there’s what to be insulted about. Obviously, we can’t break halachah, and I think they understand that, yet we can still show respect by asking them to participate.
DaMoshe, that’s brilliant. Similarly, and similar to what eman wrote, at a relative’s chasunah, two co-workers, one not Jewish and one a secular Jew, were “mechubad” with “eidei marriage certificate”.
” smoking doesn’t kill”
Did you not see the context? That’s almost like saying avodah zarah is a mitzvah because it says ?????? ????? ?????.
Mazel Tov! A sach nachas.
You’re welcome. I’m anxiously awaiting your first thread.
Whether your yarmulke represents a common stream is irrelevant to the story. (My best guess is that you are making a statement that you are not making a statement.)
No, it didn’t call for further discussion. It’s a sensible rule under the circumstances, and if you don’t wish to follow the rules, find a different school.
It’s not even relevant why the child might “want” to wear a kippah serugah; if the school told him not to, he shouldn’t.
If the type of kippah someone wears was really completely immaterial (pardon the pun), we wouldn’t be having this discussion, and the story never would have happened. You won’t hear this story about a four section black velvet yarmulke vs. a six section black velvet yarmulke.
Whether you like it or not, yarmulke styles do represent hashkafos.
What the father was doing was pointing to the fact that there’s no inherent value to a particular style, to which Rav Shteinman agreed, but Rav Shteinman pointed out the father’s hypocrisy in that he obviously personally wanted to be able to superficially represent his hashkafos (otherwise it wouldn’t be worth disobeying the school policy and getting expelled) but he didn’t think the school had a right to superficially represent its hashkafos through a policy regulated what it’s students can wear.
Based on the thread title, I’m going to guess that you’re the teenager.
The truth is likely that whatever the proper balance is, you will think it’s overbearing.
No, it was a sharp answer, because there are no real alternate possibilities, just rhetoric.
That’s not an answer, that’s a dismissal.
No, it was a sharp answer.
Most likely, this was a chareidi school where the rule (even if unofficial) is to wear velvet or tight woven cloth.
They most certainly should have given a warning, and I’d be shocked if they didn’t.
If by some chance they didn’t, (and this was the only issue) the issue isn’t yarmulkas, it’s that they didn’t give him a chance to comply.
He was quoting the OP. He never actually looked it up. He assumed that since he “knows” we never fast on Friday, it must not really say that.
We are all in galus, no matter where we live.
Last I checked, France, where this occurred, is not in Eretz Yisroel.
You are not considering the context.
Ubiquitin, he is not aware of the Mogen Avraham.
Meh.
Schools have uniforms, and unless he was making a point, he wouldn’t have his kid rebel.
If he weren’t trying to make a statement, he wouldn’t sacrifice his kid because he had some meaningless preference.
If it were really meaningless, he wouldn’t be stubborn about keeping it.
It’s one thing to make a mistake. It’s another thing to repeat it even when corrected.
MA, please tell me what day of the week we will fast in in ???”? and ???”?.
Also, please tell me what this means (Mishnah Berurah 550:6):
??? ?? ?? ?? ???? ???? ??? ?????? ?????? ?????
VM, nice job.
Not even close to 40%. Without even counting deductions, using an online calculator, it’s effectively 35%, federal and state (including FICA).
It’s also unlikely that all 10 kids will be going to camp, or $12k school, at the same time.
At $400k, even a large family can live very comfortably.
MA, is that your made up halachah of the day?
They don’t count on the Atkins diet because of the way it is metabolized. Non soluble fiber, AFAIK, doesn’t get metabolized at all.
It should be noted that l’chatchilah you are supposed to have more than two k’zeisim.
Popa, machlokes.
Even if we need a k’zayis of flour, k’zayis is a volume measure, so a fluffier challah would have fewer carbs per k’zayis, and using whole wheat would also help, because the fiber carbs don’t count for the diet, but does count towards the k’zayis.
No, I don’t know of legitimate poskim who allow zilzul Shabbos l’chatchilah.
Specifically, trains, elevators, umbrellas, bicycles, etc. are only permitted b’mskom tzorech gadol if at all.
I know one choshuv Rav in Brooklyn
I know of several rabbonim in Brooklyn who are good at fooling some people into thinking they’re choshuv.
RoB, you insist on thinking you know better than the Shoel Umaishiv, R’ Moshe, the Chazon Ish, etc. I don’t see a point in continuing this with you.
The words of the Shoel Umaishiv are clearer in the Chelkas Yaakov’s quote:
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=909&st=&pgnum=231
???? ?? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?? ????? ??????, ????? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ????? ??? ????? ????? ??????? ??????? ??? ????? ???, ?????? ???? ??? ???? ????? ????? ???? ??? ???? ??? (???? ??? ????? ???) ??? ??? ???? ???, ?? ????? ????? ???? ??? ???, ?? ?? ????? ????? ?? ????, ?? ???? ????? ?? ???? ????? ?? ???? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ????? ????
You conveniently ignored the fact that it is in the gemara (no matter the terminology) according to some rishonim and the p’sak of the Rema, even though putting in the wheat before Shabbos is not a violation of the issur melocho.
So tell me, if you ignore the gemara and claim there is no precedent, why do you think so many poskim made up a “new” concept of zilzul Shabbos?
Typo. I meant hypothetical. Fixed.
ZD, you really can’t force anyone.
Gavra, there are good reasons why none of those will ever happen. Since you’re being entirely hypothetical anyhow, you could have saved yourself a lot of typing and simply wrote one word: vouchers.
It can be fixed, but no one wants to make the tough decisions that are needed to fix it.
How do you think it can be fixed?
one possible avairah
As horrible as is for the families who aren’t getting the income they need, it’s at most not being m’kayem an aseh (assuming they are allocating their funds properly).
I did not say yeshivos spend twice as much as the goyim’s schools.
Yes you did. Maybe you didn’t mean it, but you said it.
“(basically double of what the goyim spend)”
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/yeshiva-tuition-for-large-families#post-614737
popa_bar_abba: I’m sorry, but I worded my question poorly.
No, you didn’t, you just got popa-ed, which happens frequently here. You’ll get used to it and learn to ignore him.
BTW, welcome to the CR and mazel tov!
Charlie, do you pasken that a yeshiva can serve treif so they can pay their staff?
We don’t do kiddushin al y’dei shaliach nowadays, AFAIK.
Many murders are drug related, so if life death is your criteria, we should profile for drug crimes.
Many robbers are also murderers, so I believe profiling for robbery would also save lives.
I’m pretty sure that you need a kallah too.
We had one by my chasunah.
Monkeys don’t read Aramaic very well.
Talk about puzzling, this last post is off the charts.
Actually, I concur with you- if you are taking the subway to go a long way to go to shul (which is the subject of Rav Goldschmidt sefer), it would be muttor if you don’t pay.
How are you concurring with me when I’ve said it’s assur? You’re not even concurring with your previous post.
As far as visiting your mother or a sick person, there is not immediate need to visit that person on Shabbos.
That completely missed the point. You haven’t explained why it’s maris ayin when nobody knows or should be making any assumptions as to where you’re going.
As far as “zilzul” Shabbos, can you show me any sources pre-this generation of Poskim?
Yes, in fact I have! The Shoel Umaishiv lived about a hundred and fifty years ago (I’m not sure when that teshuvah was written and don’t have time to check now).
The concept actually goes back to the gemara in Shabbos about a noisy mill. The Rema paskens that it’s assur to put wheat in before Shabbos despite the fact that no issur is being done.
Poskim in each generation are simply applying the concept to new applications as they come up.
Chutzpah or no chutzpah, it is a legitimate question and don’t you think it deserves an answer?
It is only legitimate if you ask respectfully, not assuming they made it up and are wrong. Nevertheless, I answered it, but you have a lot of thinking to do about how you approach the words of those much greater than you.
but this issue of “zilzul shabbos’ is -bemechilas kevod hatorah- a new invention
Just how new do you think it is?
It’s amazing how some of the greatest poskim have discussed how serious an issue zilzul Shabbos is, yet you have the chutzpah to dismiss it “bemechilas kevod hatorah” (sic).
If you allow escalators and Shabbos elevators, I do not see why public transport- especially beshaas hadechak- would be ossur.
We aren’t mattir elevators and escalators. Public transportation would probably be worse, though, because it’s more public, and because it is more likely to lead to the erosion of shmiras Shabbos, ch”v.
If you walk in the street, it is normal activity on any day. Unless you are going somewhere very specifically, you would not use public transport. When you use public transport, you are going to work or shopping. It I very unlikely that you would just take a “stroll” on the trains!
You could be taking the train to shul, to visit a sick person, to visit your mother, or any number of muttar things which are too far to walk.
I have no reason to look it up, as I have no idea if he is reliable anyhow. I would perhaps be curious to see the haskamos.
In fairness, I think he was dealing with people who might use cars to come to shul- hence, much better to take public transport. However, the point is that there is no specific issur and one could rely on this, “beshaas hadechak”.
You are now singing a completely different tune, as all along you seemed to be saying that it is an optional chumrah to not use trains and elevators, and now you finally admit that it is only in case of great need.
RedQuest, don’t take popa_bar_abba seriously.
In fact, http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/lying-on-ywn.
Rel as in barrel.
BTW, it’s not Hebrew, it’s Yiddish.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-does-the-name-tzirel-mean
An escalator that is constantly running, however, should be like a Shabbbat elevator.
Which many, if not the vast majority of, poskim say should not be used unless in case of great need.
Maybe even easier as everyone sees that it is constantly running.
Most Shabbos elevators I’ve seen have a clear sign that they are Shabbos Elevators, so I don’t think they are any worse regarding maris ayin.
As you seem to agree, Avi, we can’t get out of the zilzul Shabbos issue, no matter which technology is employed.
I have no idea how reliable Rabbi Goldschmidt may or may not be, but that doesn’t make sense.
If I walk in the street, is it maris ayin because someone might think I’m going shopping? Of course not, so why is a train different in that regard?
That’s aside from the issue of the card being muktzeh at least according to some poskim.
They’re both frauds. One is not a bigger fraud than the other; they’re both total frauds. Perhaps Hillary didn’t lie as often because she didn’t find it to her advantage as often, but she has shown she will lie, and we’re talking about major lies, in her self interest.
She has also shown that she puts her self interest above national security. If not for political considerations, she would clearly be facing criminal charges in that regard.
Maybe Trump would also put self interest above national security, but that hasn’t been proven (yet?).