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I’m sure you give many feivel bills to tzedakah.
Good thing they weren’t given a stack of feivels.
“No, kitniyos is not chometz, but still assur for Ashkenazim.”
That should be “assur for Ashkenazim to eat.”
Not only should it be assur for Ashkenazim to eat, it is assur for Ashkenazim to eat.
LC, there is a legitimate shailah about the definition of kitniyos and what falls under that category. Those who hold that the minhag wasn’t limited to specific species hold that if something has the characteristics of kitniyos, it falls under the issur. The “ever expanding list” is simply a matter of some species which weren’t eaten until recently, and are subject to analysis of whether or not they fit the characteristics of kitniyos and are therefore assur. It is a legitimate halachah shailah, nothing more or less, certainly nothing sinister.
The OP, as I understand her, was simply asking why, as the powdered form resembles flour, (perhaps she also meant since they are called beans) they don’t fit that category. She wasn’t trying to asser anything, just asking a question.
Of course, despite their name, they’re botanically not beans, but as I linked, the Shaarei Teshuvah brings one opinion (which we don’t pasken like) which actually assers coffee because of its resemblance to a bean.
Have you actually gone through the sugya to know that the poskim who asser certain foods are making a mockery of the minhag?
Yekke2, you and your Shulchan Aruch, next thing you know you’re going to make reading advertisements assur on Shabbos.
They use ALOL when they actually laughed out loud.
No, kitniyos is not chometz, but still assur for Ashkenazim.
From the Shaarei Teshuvah linked above:
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Large ox lips?
Lol
ZD, that potato bread is chometz. No need to asser because of kitniyos.
CB, maybe they don’t give a hechsher on peanut oil because they are machmir on the “mesorah controversy”.
I want to know one thing: how many of the kitniyos chumra complainers have actually gone through the sugya, starting from the gaonim and going through all of the poskim who have written about it through the generations, to dismiss the machmirim as unnecessarily harsh?
Why aren’t all sorts of nasty things said about kashrus agencies which certify olive oil or cottonsed oil or butter or chicken schmaltz?
How common do I think potato bread is?
I think you need some wheat flour to make potato bread.
If you would cut the public school budget in half you could still technically provide all mandatory services.
G’zeirah She-ain HaTzibbur Yachul La’amod Bah
Oh, come one, people can live without bread for eight (plus) days but not coffee or chocolate?
The frum community (in some areas including the one being discussed) puts a lot more money into the public school system than it gets out of it.
Of course everything needs to be done legally, but if it is, I have no problem with trying to get as much back as possible.
The argument that they’re spending someone else’s money doesn’t make sense.
R’ Shlomo Zalman was asked about chocolate covered raisins and almonds, that since really we should be making hoeitz on chocolate, at least on those we should say hoeitz. He answered that since l’ma’aseh we say shehakol on chocolate, that’s not the case (so we need to determine which is the ikkar).
They’re both technically fruit, I believe.
Do you say borei p’ri hoeitz?
And DON’T TAKE AWAY MY CHOCOLATE.
Let me have my coffee, and it’s a deal.
Coffee is a room, and chocolate is an addiction.
http://beta.hebrewbooks.org/tursa.aspx?a=oc_x2208
See Shaarei Teshuvah.
Then do TESHUVA.
You’re cheesecake.
I don’t think resemblance to flour is really the issue – matzah is made with flour.
I believe they do actually discuss coffee and cocoa beans being kitniyos because they’re beans.
Do you use the word “frum” as a pejorative?
You just changed the question from “why bake it” to “why not donate it to an organization”.
Which organization would you suggest?
I’m actually machmir to treat everyone as ovdei avoda zara just in case.
Only hareidim, or even your fellow MO?
The main gadol who was a Zionist before 1939 was Rav Kook. I see no evidence he would have changed his mind had he lived to 1948.
Yes, Rav Kook was a gadol, but really the only one of that caliber, but not only was his opinion not agreed upon by his contemporaries, it was forcefully rejected – “????? ?????? ?? ?????”.
G613, I’m by far not the biggest follower of politics, but it seems that way by far.
If the kids had to wait outside in the feeling cold they could chas v’shalom get sick, and if they walked to school, there could chas v’shalom be an accident, so this actually prevents there from being a need for Hatzolah calls.
Maybe they should stop picking up the garbage, though.
By listing non tzionim as tzionim, you really weaken your case.
Zahavasdad, or drive to a Hatzolah call and save a life, or to the hospital to visit a sick person, or to shul to daven or to the bais medrash to learn, or to the store to buy matzah for Pesach, etc.
Most drivers in total don’t observe the “mitzvah” of not speeding, depending in how literally you take the speed limit.
To answer the OP, there are no specific mitzvos which apply to the automobile, but many can be done with help from or relating to the automobile, and many aveiros can be violated with help from or relating to the automobile.
That’s probably the one I heard of.
Although I agree that Wolf wasn’t disrespecting the Medrash in any way.
How specific a place did he need to refer to for you to consider that offensive?
a person saying “I feel bad I can’t move to EY, I can’t wait for Moshiach to come so I can go” is not accurate
Of course it’s accurate because whatever prevents us from moving there now will not prevent us when Moshiach comes (may it be soon).
What would be inaccurate is if someone would say, “It’s impossible for anyone to move to Eretz Yisroel until Moshiach comes”. I haven’t heard that, though.
Yes, but there is so much more that we are missing without Moshiach, so that I think our yearning is supposed to be for Moshiach to come so that our avodas Hashem can be complete – not just one aspect.
I mostly agree, but I do know people (not zionistic) who very much would like to live in Eretz Yisroel but can’t for valid reasons.
I’m not sure why you take Moshiach out of the equation. There are mitzvos we aren’t able to perform and won’t be able to until Moshiach comes, and we are supposed to feel very sad about it. ????? ?????? ????? ??????…
Do people really say, “I don’t do tzedakah or chessed because it’s optional? I only eat in the sukkah the bare minimum because it’s optional?”
You are taking an extreme. I’ll take the other: do people give every moment of their time for chessed and every penny they own to tzedakah (don’t worry – I’ll find you a heter for “al yivazvez yoser michomesh”)?
Do people eat one seudah after the other in the sukkah? Endlessly eat matzah?
How about wearing a beged with arba kanfos and tzitzis? How about eating a meal in the sukkah (when not required)? (Yes, I know those aren’t 100% equivalent.)
How about many forms of tzedakah and chessed?
How about mitzvos aseh shehazman grama for women?
I don’t know why the concept of not being obligated but receiving s’char if done is hard to understand. The semantics of the word mitzvah doesn’t bother me a whole lot. Even according to the mechaber who doesn’t allow a brachah saying “v’tzivanu” when optional shouldn’t have a problem with casual use of the word, and certainly not the concept.
I think I once heard of one that wasn’t.
No, no, wontons. We didn’t have time to make kreplach, so we ran to to the local Chinese kosher restaurant (the one with the name which is a play on words between a Hebrew word and a Chinese word) to buy wontons, and there was a line of people doing the same.
Well, yes, those too.
but you cannot rely on them to make halachic rulings in other areas (such as with chametz in your car).
He wasn’t. He was making a joke.
Originally, I thought we were the only ones to eat wonton soup on erev Yom Kippur.
Also, besides throwing esrogim at the chazzan, we should throw shofros at popa.
So why don’t we eat matzah on Succos?
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If you would like to learn about Tanach events in an entertaining way, read R’ Yosef Deutch’s series.
75 year old popa: Now that you’ve got the math worked out, are you making early Shabbos?