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Yes (unless one happens to be a doctor).
Rd, his experience has shown him that the MO environment he’s in is not consistent with the Halacha it claims to be loyal to. He needs to find a new environment.
If Chofetz Chaim is an option for you, I don’t see why the fact that it’s not an easy walk to the beis medrash should stop you; surely the situation would be better for you than it is now. I also wonder if using the dormitory, at least part time, would be an option for you.
Don’t be angry at your parents. Surely every decision they’ve made for you
has been with your best interest at heart. Hopefully, they will be open-minded enough to support you in the decisions you have made and the path which you’ve chosen to follow. Certainly any antagonism shown on your part would be unwarranted, and likely to cause resistance.
Hatzlocha!
In my dream, there was a pink jaguar chasing me.
Did you catch the license plate?
AVG
(A Vintch fahr Gezunt)
Squeak, the equation goes (approximately): Avg. 5 kids per family = 3.3% annual population growth. 3.3% annual population growth + 3 yearcage gap = 10% disparity. Which fact(s) or equation(s) do you disagree with?
For my part, I don’t disagree that sociological factors can make the problem look worse than it actually is, but I think there is a fundamental demographic issue.
Golfer and 147, read AZ’s post. NASI is still around, they just closed one program.
Popa, that’s true unless there are enough baguettes for everyone, in which case the challah rolls will remain unsold. That’s why that analogy was never a good one.
Apparently though, enough people HAVE experienced that sort of attitude coming from someone else who superficially appears “frummer,” to the point that it bothers them very much.
It’s true that their are arrogant people in all walks of life, but I don’t think that negates the point made in the OP.
You only need one yummy way with p’tcha.
Halachic discussions don’t apply in this case.
I strongly disagree. We are supposed to view everything through the prism of Halachah.
I knew it the whole time. Torah613Torah is really Joseph.
While I disagree with some of askangvir’s points regarding the freezer, he’s right that the typical bochur from BMG’s profile is not the same as one from many of those yeshivos listed.
FWIW, the story was also reported on BBC news. Of course the hospital isn’t going to say, “Oops, we goofed. It’s a good thing the family insisted on another opinion, otherwise Steven would be dead”.
Squeak, how do “unrealistic expectations and standards, coupled with a lack of self awareness and or self honesty on the part of most 20 something year olds” explain the disparity in the numbers of males vs. females in the shidduch parsha? Or are you denying that there is such a disparity?
I’m sorry, but having a firm opinion isn’t arrogance, even if that opinion is not one according to which not everyone lives.
BTW, from a previous post, it seems that you are not aware that listening to music is a serious halachic shailah, not just a personal feeling.
Ubiquitin, I saw it in dailymail.
According to the article I read, four doctors declared him brain dead. They were wrong. I do not believe the hospital in this case especially, where as popa pointed out, they have a tremendous bias. Had the title been “brain dead” it might be wrong.
Gavra, first of all, I said “some cases”. Yes, there is a difference between cases in which there is a valid shittah, and cases in which there isn’t.
But I don’t think being smug ever has a place. Should I feel superior compared to a mechallel Shabbos? I think not, yet I’m sure you’ll agree that I shouldn’t feel like what they’re doing is perfectly fine.
That having been said, I think there are certain “chumros” which should be considered inherently better.
So I can give you several halachic arguments* why one should be makpid on Cholov Yisroel, yet understand that there is a shittah to be meikil, and, in fact not mock someone who eats actual tarfus (unless specific circumstances dictate that “leitzsnusa d’avodah zarah” is in order).
*I’d be more than happy to take that to another thread, if you’d like.
Ubiquitin and squeak, you’re right, we’ve only disagreed about the cause and/or definition, not whether it exists. Sorry.
Ubiquitin, thanks.
Squeak, other than cynicism, I don’t think you’ve shared with us your take on the cause or definition of the “shidduch crisis”.
And your post was….?
Oomis, in some cases that’s just being intellectually dishonest.
What you’re really saying is that we should turn our brains off.
Ubiquitin, would you have called Steven Thorpe brain dead or comatose?
Yes, squeak, ubiquitin, and WIY (who am I forgetting?) don’t think there’s a shidduch crisis.
So she quickly made a bunch of phony shidduch profiles and posted them online, then trolled Only Simchas and the YWN Simcha Section with a bunch of fake mazel tov announcements.
She made sure the pictures for the profiles were tznius (but she didn’t need to worry about that for OS).
Coincidentally, Rivky was also face to face with Writersoul.
Did you try steaming it?
I feel very bad for the girls who have to weight.
That doesn’t mean NASI folded, just this particular program.
I actually think the reason it didn’t succeed is because people perceived it as a slight to older girls.
In other words, Medium Size Shadchan was right.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/to-date-there-have-been-72-shidduchim-nasi-ad
Goq, the vast majority of bochurim of a particular type are in BMG.
Gavra, I thought “that’s” was clearly defined as BMG bochurim (or that type) and I think sem613 was sharing her observation that girls who are not looking for that type are also having problems.
There isn’t a shortage of the amount of boys total, just the amount of learning boys
That’s not true, although it may be worse for those looking for learning boys.
I have a feeling that the Roshei Yeshiva have a better idea whether shidduchim affects the bochhrim’s learning than askangvir.
And then Writersoul disappeared. Was she kidnapped by the mafia and sent to the Congo? Was it Reuven’s clone from the NSA?
The purpose of the freezer is to give bochurim time to settle in to learn before they get distracted by shidduchim. The age gap is, to me, an issue, but the advantages and diadvantages have to be weighed.
I’m still trying to get a definition of the word “spam”. I get emails from “Yeshiva World Sponsors”. Is that spam? I once got an email from a CR moderator. Is that spam?
I suppose all those solicitations I get to help someone in Nigeria liquidate a dormant bank account, and solicitations from pharmaceutical dealers are called spam (they usually end up in my spam folder and I only notice them when I’m looking for an email which wasn’t in my inbox), but can an email from a company I’ve dealt with be called spam? If there’s no working unsubscribe link, that’s wrong, but it’s still easy enough to filter them out.
WIY, I don’t want to derail your “shout out” thread, so I’ll ask here – in the “Making frum of people that are funner than you” thread, what did the mods do that was so funny?
Streekgeek,
As long as he knows he can come to you with any questions, don’t get overly involved in discussing things he doesn’t ask on his own.
Is there an “unsubscribe” link in the email?
But yes, I am asking if it will help my jealousy, by querying whether people who become more frum have less fun.
Sorry, I don’t have all day to answer your question.
I don’t believe so. The reward for kibud av v’em is arichus yomim, but the converse is not kareis. IIRC, the only two mitzvos aseh for which one vcan get kareis (for not performing them) are milah and korbon Pesach.
Oomis, first of all, I’m in 100% agreement with you that it’s infinitely more important to be makpid on honesty in business dealings, derech eretz, avoiding lashon harsh, proper middos, etc. than anything which falls under the category of chumrah, and certainly externals such as yeshivish mode of dress.
But by your bringing that up as a conflict, you are, subtly and unintentionally (I say unintentionally because I do indeed respect you), doing exactly what you are decrying. You’re looking down at those who dress a certain way and keep halacha a certain way based on stereotyping it as being associated with poor being adam l’chaveiro.
My point, which I’m not sure you addressed, is that there are some things which are actually better halachically and/or hadkafically (examples will vary according to perspective) and one should firm in their opinions, and not compromise them just to satisfy some perceived need for everyone to be on the same level.
I will illustrate with two examples which you offered.
If you feel that riding toys are not in the spirit of Shabbos (I happen to disagree), not only should you stick with your idea in practice, you should in principle as well. Don’t tell your kids that their actions are just as good as yours. If their use of riding toys is 100% acceptable, why wouldn’t yours be? Tell them that it’s muttar, that those neighbors are 100% shomrei Torah, but that we feel that this degrades Shabbos.
Another issue you brought up is music. Obviously, I listen to music. I’ll use that as a reverse example. I know people who don’t listen to music. I’ll tell you a little secret; I think in that area, they are conducting themselves on a higher level than I am. Listening to music is actually halachically questionable, and I have reasons that I rely on the heterim in this case. By recognizing this, I can respect those who are machmir, and see it as an ideal to strive for. Isn’t that better than feeling insulted and put down?
Or do frum people still have fun?
Do you mean so even if they became frummer, you’d just have two things to be jealous of, or do you mean that therefore your jealousy will be unrelated to frumkeit, and making them frummer will never occur to you as a solution?
Also, when you say “still”, are you implying that people who were always from definitely don’t have fun, and that your question is only on someone who *became* frum?
I’m confused (and please don’t say you’ve already answered my questions twice. TIA).
The Torah uses base ten – asarah, esrim, shloshim, etc.
And what if someone feels that everyone should be careful? Maybe it’s not an issue of personal weakness, but the way one feels any Yid should conduct themselves?
I’m not talking about mocking, which is usually out of place (except for popa mocking yct) – but am I supposed to turn off my brain and not have opinions?
Would his agreeing with you have made you right?
Squeak, enough of each to show how they’re different.
Oh, my, that did sound bad. I meant that I would be called retarded by popa for agreeing with you that numbers are infinite.
Yes, popa, infinity comes in different sizes. So if I’m infinitely retarded, you can still be twice as retarded as I.
PM, exact punishment doesn’t mean exact pain to balance the pleasure you received for the aveirah; it means precicely what you deserve, which might be significantly more.
At the risk of sounding retarded, I agree with Sam on both points.
Numbers aren’t beings or entities, they’re just a way of quantifying beings or entities.
Why does a sundial have twelve marks,. not ten?
Because there are twelve hours in the day.
(Sometimes I think there should be a sticky thread explaining how to read popa_bar_abba’s comments.)
Mine too. Also Yosef Mokir Shabbos and Noch a Sho’oh.
Have you heard Avraham Fried’s new Yiddish album?
I’m not working tomorrow.
I tried listening to 1 + 2. A Mechaya!