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where can i watch the Hocker one?
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If you feel it is not worth it you can choose not to go.
Shlishi,
One of the four blue threads on top, Searching CR For Old Threads, links to it in the first post. (You can also get to it by clicking on chofetzchaim’s screen-name).
Oomis, look at the bright side, the grandparents won’t be asked to change diapers!
Oomis,
Gee, our old LaSalle ran great!
I don’t think the OP was making a definitive list of all major U.S. yeshivos, (s)he was just asking a question about two of them.
the 5th anniversery paper or copper?
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Smile E. Face
We’re not discussing whether or not the person in the story should have listened to their rov, we’re discussing the overall issue. Not everyone has the same rov, and, more importantly, not every situation is the same.
If someone reading this thread who has such an issue can be made to consider a factor which otherwise would not have come to his/her attention, it can be included in the discussion with his/her rov.
BTW, no need to apologize, your point was a good one (even if I don’t agree).
If there’s a rental (i.e. it’s a two family house), it could be much easier.
“He held on to his shtreimel, and yelled out loud and slow….?”
…Vi fort min tzu Monroe (How do you get to Monroe?)
Avrohom, nice to see you, and thanks for the coffee room search function.
I don’t think so. Tips are usually for low wage earners.
Mazel tov!
chaplaintzvi,
I said in an earlier post that if the specific situation demanded, it is appropriate to allow an occasional day off. The specific situation here was not presented as that, but rather, that the kids wanted to go to The Great Parade.
One poster responded that there’s no such thing as too much time with kids, to which I demonstrated, in my sarcastic way (good pickup), that it seems to be easier to spend time with the kids (with no specific need) at the expense of learning than at the expense of losing money by taking a day off of work.
I will point out the same thing about your son and the shiva; the one who learns was available, the ones who work or go to school were not. Of course, the fact that only he drives might have been the only deciding factor, in which case it might have been justified.
Thats why it’s best to have a really understanding Gadol to advise them.
I agree, of course. Since each case is unique, it’s hard to have a discussion about specifics here in the CR. In each case, the affect on the rest of the family also must be considered.
Daas Yochid,
And here lies the major problem, most of what is being labled as assur is not so clear cut so.
You addressed your post to me, so I assume you think I disagree with your point. In a general sense, I don’t disagree, although we may disagree about specific application.
rescue37: you can’t pick and choose kulas. if the family mesora and rov holds something is assur, a kid can’t still do it cause another rov holds its not assur.
That same rov may take a more lenient position for a particular situation (sha’as had’chak).
The g’mara relates instances of chazal drinking at a tavern
Where is the gemara? Does it say it was a goyish tavern and they drank sheichar?
And what about getting drinks served from the bar at a simcha which is catered by the goyish hotel; is this assur too? Of course not.
Correct, because the ba’al simcha provides the drinks.
SG,
A paradox. 🙂
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Look at the bottom, under “topics started”.
I don’t think it is a smart move for either boy or girl to order alcoholic beverages, but to each his own.
Why can’t he order a drink for her and vice-versa? 🙂
There is a great deal of simchas yom tov to be found in a slice of cheesecake, wouldn’t you agree?
Hey, I finally agree with you about something!?
Not if you’re lactose intolerant 😉
There’s always soy cheesecake. Then you could have it after a fleishig meal. It’s called having your cake and eating it too! (I know, the milchig ones are better.)
Sometimes (to save Yiddishe Neshamos) people are given Heterim for things that are Assur.
On the other thread, you seemed to show that you feel that a major factor in OTD is hypocrisy. Joining your child in doing something assur in order to get him or her to stop doing d’varim assurim would therefore not be an effective tool.
It can help a poster’s self asteem as well as show other posters that it is not a Daas Yachid.
+1
36- the number of posts ayc has on the number 36 (well…almost). Wow! Some of these are unbelievable!
The OP is telling you that he/she does have a need for a response.
I was referring to a response that would enhance the dialogue. what you’re referring to is an emotional need. If that emotional need is for the poster to be acknowledged, than I suppose every poster should keep a record of who posts and make sure to respond, at least occasionally, to each fellow poster.
What it originally sounded like was that the OP felt that her (?) posts were not being read, or not deemed worthy of consideration. What I was pointing out was that a poster whose post is not responded to should not feel that it was ignored, or that other, non-responsive posters didn’t find the post valuable.
There is a big nafka minah lihalacha between the two reasons in, for example, Popa’s case where a pig stuck its foot into a pot.
Yes. But this is the mishmar shaila thread, not the halacha l’meisa thread.?
only Charedai (spelling?) people visit this site
Actually, many of the chareidi people who visit this site do not know how to spell (many others don’t either). ?
I still never got how it’s acceptable to go to a lounge on a date. Once you are married, would those same people ever step foot in such a tumahdike place?
Once you get married, you go to restaurants.
that is one of the reasons that texting is bad for teens (we are not going into that now) because when you write things that you would never say
Not just teens; anyone, and email is also a problem.
C’you at least TELL me I made sense??
That makes sense. (As do many of your posts, which I don’t respond to, because there’s no “like” button.)
apushatayid,
I think we’ve all seen hypocrisy, and yet most of us have b”H stayed on the D. I don’t think there’s a simple, one-size-fits-all answer to this troubling issue.
Also, I don’t think many of our youth with emunah issues are enticed by the galach. I think kefirah is a much bigger issue.
I think some posters here will disagree with you, based on my religious views.
Maybe some, but I know of at least one who disagrees with *some* of your religious views, yet respects the many positive attributes which you seem to possess.
Thank you daas
No problem. You owe me a tall frosty one. 🙂
Assuming there’s nothing intrinsically assur about it (which you did stipulate), I think the latter. I think it would be better to form a bond through something more neutral, though, if possible (e.g. if the child enjoys chess).
glass … doesnt absorb cold blios
No material absorbs cold blios (there are exceptions – davar charif, kavush). According to the mechaber, glass won’t even absorb hot blios. The R”ma argues.
The only issue with a bar is drinking with goyim and unless this girl is not Jewish there is no Halacha issue of him drinking.
As I stated earlier, the gezeirah even applies if there are no goyim drinking.
I apologize for my tone
No problem.
it can by definition at most be called a ?????.
I wouldn’t say at most (there are opinions that it is assur meikar hadin), but the point is well taken. It’s certainly something which a “yeshiva guy” should be concerned with.
you obviously have no clue what social drinking is
You’re probably right about that, but the opposite of “???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???? ??????” is drinking “???? ???” (from thirst – see Chochmas Adam), which this is not.
As always, any ????? that is ???? ????? should be directed at one’s LOR.
Of course; that happened to be where I was coming from, as I mentioned earlier.
you are obviously also knowledgeable in the sugya
Now THAT’S debatable! ?
Coke is NOT a thirst quencher! Neither is beer! BOTH caffeine and alcohol (which I “believe in”)are diuretics- they dehydrate you by drawing water out of your system.
You’re right, but I wasn’t talking from a medical perspective. Wouldn’t it be interesting if regular Coke was prohibited but caffeine free Coke was permitted? ?
My apologies then.
Why? You gave me a smile.
She would definitely not agree to see him again (and might charge him for dry cleaning).
veteran,
That’s why I capitilized. ?
People invite each other for a cup of coffee. The response would not be “I’m not thirsty”. If you offer someone a soda, he might turn you down because he’s not thirsty.
See Igros Moshe O”C 2 – 75
PM,
Coke is a thirst quencher.
As an illustration, some poskim consider coffee to be chamar medinah, but I don’t think anyone says it about Coke.
Shlishi,
I just noticed your post; I think my previous one answers your question.
When I started going out, I asked a rov what type of shailos I should be aware of. I was expecting to hear about yichud issues, but he told me not to buy an alcoholic beverage (with a bit of a twinkle in his eye; he knew I wasn’t the type anyway). He said nothing about soft drinks. My posts here are really just an educated guess as to his reasoning.
apushatayid,
It seems that the main gezeira was indeed to prevent drinking with them but it was enacted in a situation which could come to that; that’s why it’s okay to bring it back to your house, but not to drink it there.
As far as Coke, the poskim argue about whether a non-alcoholic beverage is included (and as pointed out by ravshalom, the R”ma even allows most alcoholic beverages). I think that the only non-alcoholic beverages which might be included are those used socially, such as coffee, but not water or even Coke.
I don’t know. Eeees and I drank on every date that we went on… both before and after we were married.
We’re not discussing soft drinks.
A lounge has the same status as a bar.
The ??”? and ??”? are ?????, and the ?”? writes ?????? ?????. The ???? ??? writes ???? ??? ??? ??? ?????? ???.
glass is not bolaya.
That’s a machlokes.
Oomis,
Well said; just one nitpick. The fellow who lays tefillin on a cold morning gets MORE s’char – l’fum tza’ara agra – and is less likely to be doing it for selfish reasons.
To clarify:
The S.A. I quoted earlier says that it’s assur to drink an alcoholic beverage at the place of purchase (when purchased from a non-Jew).
The issue which was brought up about the cup is not a problem (regardless of whether it was glass) because the beer is cold. Nevertheless, it is still assur because of the first issue.