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Unfortunately there are other things too that we picked up from our surrounding foreign cultures.
PY, exactly my point! I said the Christian’s killed far more yidden than the Arabs for 1000+ years… until the advent of zionism, which caused the Arab hatred to increase many times over and the Arabs have since been killing yidden in numbers they hadn’t anywhere close to prior to the advent of zionism.
How do you explain this to the kids?October 31, 2010 4:11 am at 4:11 am in reply to: What happened to Hakoros Hatov & Derech Eretz in the CR ? #705055
What did you do popa?? Your stuff is popping off the screen here…
You don’t need a navi to know the zionists caused the Arabs to hate and kill Jews more than the Christians, who for the 1,800 years prior to zionism were killing Jews a lot lot more than the Arabs.
And the question why the prayer doesn’t include ALL the Yidden in E. Yisroel, especially the Torah learners, is indeed a good one. Another good question is why if such a specific prayer was required was it that zionists created it rather than the gedolim.
As far as utilizing zionist infrastructure, the zionists have made it impossible to not utilize it if you live or go to E. Yisroel. And Torah yidden have been living in E. Yisroel before the zionists, and do not have to leave because the zionists contaminated the holy land.
“Reagan’s interest in Soviet Jewry was immense; it was close to the first issue on the American agenda and was part of the confrontation between the two superpowers,” Yitzhak Shamir told authors Deborah and Gerald Strober. “The Soviet leaders,” Shamir added, “told me that every time they met with Shultz, he raised the issue of Soviet Jewry, and they would ask him, ‘Why do you do this?’ Shultz answered that this was very important.”
Elliott Abrams, who served under Shultz as an assistant secretary of state, told the Strobers that “The Reagan administration kept beating the Soviet Union over the issue of the Soviet Jews and kept telling them, ‘You have to deal with this question. You will not be able to establish the kind of relationship you want with us unless you have dealt with this question…’ “
According to Richard Schifter, another assistant secretary of state, when Gorbachev came to Washington in December 1987 for a summit with Reagan, it was just a couple of days after a huge rally for Soviet Jews had been held in the nation’s capital and the person who was the note-taker at the meeting told me that Reagan started out by saying to Gorbachev, “You know, there was this rally on the Mall the other day.” “And Gorbachev said, ‘Yes, I heard about it. Why don’t you go on and talk about arms control?” And for five minutes, Reagan kept on talking about the rally and the importance of the Jewish emigration issue to the United States, when Gorbachev wanted to talk about something else.”
The Reagan administration was instrumental in gaining the release in 1986 of prominent Jewish dissident Natan Sharansky, imprisoned for nine years on trumped-up treason charges. Now a government minister in Israel, Sharansky recalled his reaction when, in 1983, confined to a tiny cell in a prison near the Siberian border, he saw on the front page of Pravda that Reagan had labeled the Soviet Union an ‘evil empire.’ As Sharansky described it, “Tapping on walls and talking through toilets, word of Reagan’s ‘provocation’ quickly spread throughout the prison. We dissidents were ecstatic. Finally, the leader of the free world had spoken the truth – a truth that burned inside the heart of each and every one of us. I never imagined that three years later I would be in the White House telling this story to the president….Reagan was right and his critics were wrong.”
“I’ve believed many things in my life,” Reagan stated in his memoirs, “but no conviction I’ve ever had has been stronger than my belief that the United states must ensure the survival of Israel.”
No, I qualified it with many (as opposed to all.) There is no legal significance to the term Orthodox. The IDF converts, many – perhaps most – who do not accept ol mitzvos and have no intention of keeping even one Shabbos k’halacha, are invalid. Just because the guy who did the voodoo, eh conversion, is or calls himself an Orthodox rabbi does not automatically lend authority to his witchcraft, eh conversion ceremony.
That’s fine, rob, except for the fact that these Conservative (and Reform and many Zionist) converts never accept the ol mitzvos, they never intend to keep even one Shabbos k’halacha.
It may be fun to joke about it now, but gehenim is a real place with real people in it.
Being that you & your colleagues convert people who have no intention of properly maintaining the Shabbos even once (or practice homosexuality) in contradiction of Jewish law, why should you be surprised that your conversions are considered null and void under Orthodox Jewish law?
See the Yam shel Shlomo.
Correction – The Noda BYehuda referred to in previous comment is in its preface (rather than the cited Y”D 81) where he wrote no there is difference at all in the prohibitions of robbery. Although, the Meiri maintains that the exemption of non-Jewish property from the stealing prohibition does not apply to today’s non-Jews. The uncensored edition of Beis Yosef, Choshen Mishpat, ch. 266, maintains that there is no distinction between an idolator and a contemporary non-Jew. (Some maintain that the distinction was a form of apologetics and that it was the concern over the anti-Semitic censors that introduced this distinction into the text.)
Re: The Noda B’Yehuda (and some others), we see this kind of disclaimer on almost every sefer. They can’t all be meant seriously. Sefer Seder Ya’akov on maseches avodah zarah even has a disclaimer, but inside the sefer says clearly that the disclaimer is false. Have you seen the Aruch HaShulchan’s introduction to Choshen Mishpat and his unending praise to the Russian Czar? Can we take that seriously given what we know about the Russian czars? Maybe I’m being overly skeptical but I think it is clear that these types of disclaimers are a reaction to the medieval Talmud trials and the attempt to disingenuously avoid such trials and pogroms due to contemporary halachic literature. The difficulty with these disclaimers is that they appear on sefarim (such as those of the Noda BiYehudah and Chasam Sofer) in which the authors explicitly say that the Christians in their day are ovdei avodah zarah and that the various halachos in the gemara do apply to them.
Were the printers of the gemara less than fully honest when they changed words like nochri to kena’ani or kusi? If not for that we would not have had any printed gemaras for centuries. Similarly, if not for these disclaimers we would have lost centuries’ worth of chiddushei Torah. Perhaps this was an es la’asos laShem.
Yam shel Shlomo, Baba Kamma, ch. 10, no. 20, states that the Torah
is given solely to the Jewish people for their welfare. Thus, theft of non-Jewish property is not its concern, except as it affects the integrity of Jewish behavior.
Whether this concern for chillul Hashem is biblical or rabbinic is the subject of debate. Kesef Mishneh, Hil Gezeilah va’aveidah 1:2, maintains that the way Rambam codifies the law (i.e., he writes that it is prohibited, but does not say that the transgressor violates a negative commandment), indicates that Rambam is of the opinion that chillul Hashem is a rabbinic
Rema, Even HaEzer 28:1: If a Jew betroths a woman with a ring that was stolen from a non-Jew, that the betrothal is lawful, is problematic. If the ring is stolen property, then the betrothal should not be valid.
However, even those who are permissive in these areas prohibit such behavior because of Chillul Hashem.
Rabban Gamliel decreed that stealing from a non-Jew is prohibited because of chillul Hashem (Talmud Yerushalmi, Baba Kamma 4:3: “The Roman government once sent two officers to learn Torah from Rabban Gamliel and they learned from him mikra, mishneh, talmud, halachos and aggadot. When they were finished, they said to him, “All of your Torah is pleasant and praiseworthy except for these two matters in which you maintain … and in that which you maintain that it is prohibited to steal from a Jew but that it is permissible to steal from a non-Jew. At that very moment, R. Akiva decreed that stealing from a non-Jew would be prohibited because of chillul Hashem.). And Shimon ben Shetah refrained from keeping an object that was lost by a non-Jew lest he be considered a barbarian. “More than I want all of the money in the world,” he
declared, “I want to hear the Gentile say, ‘Blessed be the God of the Jews.'”
(Talmud Yerushalmi, Baba Metzia 2:5. See also Tosafos, Baba Metzia 87b, s.v. ela. Rambam’s Commentary to the Mishnah, Keilim 12:7.)
R. Moshe of Coucy, author of SMaG, put is succinctly, “All those who steal from Gentiles are guilty of Chillul Hashem for they cause the Gentiles to say ‘the Jews do not uphold the Torah (ein Torah leYisrael)’.. and they cause them to say ‘see how God chose for His portion a people of thieves and frauds.'” (SMaG, Negative Commandment no. 2, Positive Commandment no. 74. SMaG, prohibitions, no. 152; Sefer Hasidim, no. 1414. Hagahot Maimoniyos, Hil. Gezeilah va-Aveidah 1 [a].
I find it slightly disturbing that so many here question whether or not somebody is genuine simply because they disagree with them… I have never seen anything that would suggest that mosherose is baiting anybody, and I have no reason to think this is the case.
Couldn’t have said it better.
The only rule Ger has that isn’t universal, is their extra chumra of keeping the genders apart in public (including spouses). But even that isn’t unique to only Ger.
The reason Gezel Akum is not allowed, is because of Mipnei Aivah/Darchei Shalom/Chillul Hashem. There is no other reason. Just like you shouldn’t go to a nochri and curse him, you shouldn’t engage in gezel from him.October 22, 2010 6:22 pm at 6:22 pm in reply to: YWN Asks Rav Moshe Shternbuch About R' Yehuda Levin #703108
We have yet to find a living Gadol who is on record as supporting R’ Levin.
The Kashauer Rov zt’l supported him; and the Kashauer Rov shlita supports him currently. Raya? The entire incident when Paladino spoke against toeiva, occured in the Kashauer Rov’s Beis Kenesses!
apushatayid: “The term Reshaim was applied to those who grew up frum, knew better, and STILL joined those movements.”
So I don’t see what we are arguing about. My actual comment was about their clergymen, not 7 year olds. And by your own words, you agree the movement itself is rishus, but its just a question whether the adherent knew that or was unaware.
The Gedolim themselves refer to them as reshoyim. And they have also clearly and unequivocally stated that they are not practicing any form of Judaism. Don’t shoot the messenger here.
There is no stira about the kiruv work. We should also try to be mekarev a Yid who became a Christian.
Why do you bother bomb? The leaders of Torah Jewry have long and consistently stated these clergymen of these two false religions are reshoyim. Period. End of discussion.
No conservative or reform convert intends to accept the 613 mitzvos, thus they are all invalid. No conservative and reform convert intends to keep Shabbos (i.e. not drive, no making fires, opening electricity, etc.) or keep the full taharas hamishpacha.
In any event, the great intermarriage rates in those religions (conservative and reform) are causing a high percentage of their children to be non-Jewish. While their Judaism was long ago discardrd, sooner rather than later there will not even be any Jews left in those religions.October 21, 2010 4:55 pm at 4:55 pm in reply to: Gettysburg address and pledge of allegiance- TRANSLATED #702447
1) If a drop of milk falls onto a kli, it is a sofek how far it will spread. 2) A sofek Rabim is a sofek to the whole generation, a sofek yachid is where there are some people who are knolagable about the sofek. 3) We are meikil in a sofek rabim in that it can be combined with a second sofek to make a sofek s’feka thereby permitting something which may have otherwise been forbidden. 4) We are machmir in a sofek yachid because the facts are knowable; we simply haven’t ascertained them. 5) We need 60 times 61 minus a bit to mevatel the drop (and not just 60 times 60) because 1. The drop spreads in the wall to osser (a little less than) 60 times itself. That plus the drop make a little less than 61. 2. This 61 ossurs 60 times itself. 3. Thus we need 60 times (a little less than) 61 to mevatel the drop. 6) Because of the sofek yachid, we have to be choshesh for the worst-case scenario when a drop of milk falls onto a meat pot. Thus when the drop falls on the raikan we assume the drop spreads up to 60 times itself in the raikan area — thereby making the largest issur of ChaNaN in the kli.October 21, 2010 4:54 pm at 4:54 pm in reply to: Gettysburg address and pledge of allegiance- TRANSLATED #702446
Yeshivish is a vadeh a chashuveh lashon bfnei atzmo lgavi Talmud Toireh Lishmah for Bnei Torah who are mchuyav in such a heleige and chashuveh Mitzva. This is such a pashute and emesdicha zach that lifnei Aniyas Daati that I am msupak if it is mechzie kbitul zman or bital zman mamash in even raising such a chakirah that is pashut ubarur a chakirah bli nafke minah lchatcilah or bdieved.
Takeh, one could kler a nafkeh minah that lgavi Bnei Toireh, a chisaron of Yeshivish is lmashul like an esroig chaser-al po Shitas HaRitva-such a esrog lacks the Shem Esrog-al achas kamah vkamah-such a Ben Toireh is missing a cheftzah that defines the Chalos Shem Ben Toireh. It should be davar pashut that such a cheftza also requires a gavra with suitable levush. OTOH, nashim who are patur Lgamri from the heilige mitzvah have no shaicus to this chakirah lgamri!
What does MOFES stand for?
The Chofetz Chaim never said that. Also, Republicans (as a rule) dislike Jews a lot less than do the Democrats (especially members of the Democrats’ Congressional Black Caucus.) And Republicans support Yeshiva vouchers.
I believe squeak summed it up nicely. If one is applying for a low level, low visibility job (I would say $75,000 per annum or less), isn’t concerned about if negatively affecting him later in life (i.e. he’s desperate for a job), AND he has a very poor work history (i.e. on and off jobs very frequently), that would be the only situation where it would be less than preposterous to consider.
But as stated by him and others, there is no ethical, moral, and certainly religious justification to it in any event.
Interesting discussion, but off topic. There is no potential for perjury unless applying for a government position.
Dr. Pepper, I reread your comment. I still fail to see it. Even in your unusual example (applying to the same company with different resumes at different times and they filed the older ones), at most you don’t get what you otherwise would not have gotten (or later lose what you wouldn’t have gotten in the first place).
Is that a widespread view, or a personal one?
Is it some kind of sin against a marriage to rave to your spouse about another families cooking?
The consensus appears to be that he won’t get the job, but if he is an irreligious unethical guy, he will have nothing to lose (except, perhaps, a few minutes of embarrassment.) On the other hand, there is a small possibility it might work. (And then he MIGHT lose the job that he would otherwise never have had.)
Obviously you can’t fool what knowledge, technical or otherwise, you have as you’ll need it to perform the functions of the position. But as far as work and educational history, that is another ballpark.
Looking at past actual instances of this, it seems some high level, including upper management, occurrences of this nature resulted in the person losing (usually resigning) their job. It’s usually found when they are promoted, and a press release issued touting their educational accomplishments, that someone realizes is a fib. Lower level positions you don’t usually read about, since they might simply be dismissed, but it is also more likely to fall under the radar.
That doesn’t change the dynamics I mentioned. In your scenario they simply reject offering you the position you otherwise would not have been offered (or even interviewed for.) So I don’t see how he is worse off in your scenerio.
BTW, why did you summit more than one version to the same company?
Yet he didnt abolish fasting for all future Y”K’s.
What artchill described will very probably occur. But it just may not. If it does occur, you’re back to where you started, no worse.
So assuming the guy had no ethics or religion, and was only out for himself, his issue will be his compromising his professional name — assuming both that he was hired and later caught?
Good point. Though I addressed it in the OP. You get fired from a job you would never have otherwise have had. And for the next job, if necessary, you are back to square one. You could even claim you are still working for your last employer, and they cannot call since you haven’t informed you are seeking to leave them. Alternatively, you can start the game from scratch.
My point is the practical consequences.
Thanks for the input. I agree it is ethically wrong.
What are the practical consequences?September 29, 2010 3:14 am at 3:14 am in reply to: Minhug Chasidus (Davening Late, Mikvah, Tish, etc.) #698493
How can someone (either a bt or ffb) become Chasidish?
What’s the reason for the different “havoros”?
And why is it called the Chasidish Havora, when some non-Chasidim (i.e. “Oberlanders”) use it? (And some Chasidim [i.e. Stolin] use the Litvish Havora!)
And where exactly do “Oberlanders” fit into the Chasidish/Litvish picture?
Sorry Reb Mod.
Mishpacha magazine had a wonderful writeup regarding the tzidkus of Rav and Rebbetzin Blau (the focus being on his second Rebbetzin.) It was in the 5/27/09 issue and authored by Rachel Ginsberg.
You aren’t even allowed to start talking to the mourner until he starts talking to you.
Many people do, and it should not be said. It is no way to comfort a mourner.
Jothar, Rabbi Lipschutz’s masterpiece above is entirely correct. And you cannot seperate the man from the mission. Reb Amram was nk. For you to say the Chazon Ish and the Brisker Rov supported Reb Amram but not his activities, is grasping on straws. The Chazon Ish called Reb Amram “Shabbos” when referring to him, due to his rallies supporting Shabbos that they threw him in prison for. Both the Chazon Ish and the Brisker Rov were very close to Rav Amram. See the full article by Rav Yishai Sofer. Rav Chaim Kanievsky went with the Chazon Ish to visit Reb Amram.
PY, What do you mean by saying “a single supposed incident of Yaldei Teheran”?? Do you deny it happened? It is documented fact. Secondly, it was a “single incident.” They kidnapped scores and scores of little children from the Yemenis immigrants to convert them away from Torah Judaism. Then you bemoan the fact we still reference this historical event “which happened 50-60 years ago”? I take it then you hold that it is time to forgive and forget the German’s for the events that occurred 60-70 years ago, even older than the Teimini kidnappings?? anon for this said “It makes no sense because the current political administration is completely different”. The same could be said regarding the current German government. Is it time for us to start buying Mercedes, and no longer blaming modern Germans??
And lest we forget, these rallies are not only supported by, but also attended by various Gedolim. From all sectors. YWN reported that Rav Ovadia Yosef, Rav Eliashev, and others supported it. So who are we to argue with them?
Because supporting Torah is comparable to Limud Torah.
Another big no no, is to say at a shiva call that “he is now in a better place [at olam habo]”. That is no way to comfort a mourner.
estherh, you are so right.
I recently read an interesting article on Rabbi Blau zt”l that I want to share. It is from an interview taken a short while prior to his petira. One of the most interesting parts is that at the time of the interview one of the questions posed by the journalist was “the Chareidim haven’t grown, while the Zionists are increasing”. Wow, how times have changed!! Today any honest person will acknowledge the reverse to be true. Anyways, here is the article:
How Hashem Hu Malkeinu Was Composed
Immediately after the State was founded, several of our young men were arrested for “evading the draft”. They composed the song “Hashem Hu Malkeinu” while in prison. I view that as a miracle, because they knew nothing about music.
The song goes (in English) Hashem is our King, and we are his servants. Our holy Torah is our law and we are loyal to it. We don’t recognize the regime of the heretics, we don’t accept their authority, we do not submit to their government, and their laws do not obligate us. We will go in the Torah’s way, in fire and water, to glorify and sanctify the Name of Heaven.
We sing it during our affairs and celebrations.
Every time I sat in jail, the police wanted to hear the song. They would stand around me and I would sing the song.
Reb Amram Blau in Prison
I said a shiur for the prisoners who came to shul. Once, policemen entered and without me realizing it, they snapped me saying the shiur and printed the picture in their organ newspaper.
Spector was the prison director. Although he was a Zionist, he was a gentleman who treated me decently. He said that when I’m in prison, the other prisoners behave better and he doesn’t suffer from their quarrels and brawls.
The prison published a wall newspaper called “Patience.” The director asked me to write an article for the newspaper. I wrote a short article quoting Rabbi Yochanan ben Zakkai’s words before his death: “I would be afraid if I was being brought to a human king who doesn’t imprison a person for life, and when he puts to death, it’s not forever. But now that I am being taken to the King of kings, who can imprison forever, and kill forever, how much more so should I be afraid!” I meant it as inspiration for the upcoming Day of Judgment. When you sit in prison, it’s a little easier to feel it. They made it the main feature in the newspaper.”
I was in the Ramle prison for five months for demonstrating over the women’s army draft, and the mixed swimming pool.. The director apologized to me for not having a place to daven, and he gave us a room. In the beginning, we had just a minyan, but by the time we left, there were 70 people regularly davening.
If the Zionists Would Offer the State to the Chareidim
Journalist: I want to ask a hypothetical question. If they would come in the middle of the day and tell the chareidim ‘We’re giving the State to you, do with it what you want.’ What would you do?
Rav Amram: We would take it for a short while and then tell the Arabs, “We have no dispute with you. You can live here. Whoever wants can come live here,
Journalist: But if the Arabs would come, wouldn’t they kill all the Jews?
Rav Amram: G-d forbid. If we would speak that way to them, they wouldn’t kill us. They want to kill only because we forcibly rule them. But if you don’t want to occupy them, they wouldn’t be like that.
The Zionists want to rule over them, but not us. In our eyes, they are no different than the goyim of Switzerland and America. Once Arabs can come and do as they like, they won’t mind that there are even more Jews than them. The Arabs are not worse than any other non-Jews.
Journalist: But everyone knows their brutality when they manage to get ahold of a Jew!
Rav Amram: I’ll tell you the facts and what the situation was like with the Arabs. I lived 18 years under the Turkish government. It never happened that a goy killed a Jew. I ran the Ramasayim Tzofim company, and when they came to our home to sell land, etc. they would stand outside the door. For just one shilling, even their mukhtar would bow his head and you could step all over him. That was the situation of the Arabs then. The Pasha (Ahmad Jemal Pasha — the Turkish ruler of Eretz Yisroel) would pass by our door every day. He traveled in a carriage pulled by horses.
I remember one event. I went with my brother-in-law in the night, and an Arab hit him in the back with a stick. During 18 years, I almost can’t remember another such event. Due to our many sins, the Zionists taught the Jews to act worse than Arabs. When the Jews ran out of the Old City, the Arabs followed them shouting “Deir Yassin! Deir Yassin!” They meant that they weren’t harming the Jews despite the Zionists attacking the Arabs in Deir Yassin and slaughtering even expecting women there. They carried out a pogrom there, something the Jews have never done anywhere in the world.
I met one of the senior Arab leaders. I don’t remember what his name was, and he told me, “The Jews were missing nothing in Syria and Morocco and other Arab countries! They did very well there!”
If someone would come and push you out of your home, take the key to the money box and act like the owner, would you agree to that?
Journalist: If the Arabs aren’t any worse than any other people, why did the Arabs kill the yeshiva students in Chevron?
Rav Amram: When I was 7 years old, I spent a month in Chevron with another few Jews. I stayed by Rev Zalman Shochet. It wasn’t like in Yerushalayim. There were only a few courtyards where just a few hundreds of Jews lived, but they weren’t afraid. I had a cousin named Naftali Chaimson who owned a store among all the non-Jewish stores.
All the problems in Chevron began after the Balfour Declaration. But before the Zionists came, we lived together. The Arabs killed the yeshiva students in Chevron because the Zionists made it clear when they came here that they planned to conquer and take it over.
The Neturei Karta Hasn’t Grown; the Zionists are Increasing
Journalist: We have to think about what will be with the next generation. The reality shows that the Neturei Karta hasn’t grown, and the Aida Hachareidis hasn’t expanded either. This is true for all chareidi Jews in general, while we see that the Zionists are growing from day to day and they have immense power.
Rav Amram: Now is a time of trial. The situation is that Yiddishkeit is being tested. The situation is grave, and much feeling and yiras shomayim is missing.
Rav Amram On Demonstrations:
Even children know today that when you have a battle spirit for Shabbos and tznius, and you protest against breaches and fight the policemen, these protests help other places in the world.
In the U.S., there were hotels that had mixed swimming, and important people would rent a room there and didn’t feel anything was wrong with it. When we make protests here, it puts a swimming pool in a U.S. hotel in a negative light. An important person will be ashamed to go to a hotel with mixed swimming after the commotion we made about it.
Jothar, Did you read Rabbi Lipschutz article above? Also, you said that the Chazon Ish supported Rav Amram. The Chazon Ish also supported the rallies organized by Rav amram, as this week’s Hamodia article by Rav Yishai Sofer relates. And so did the Brisker Rov support Ram Amram. They were both very close to him. Reb Amram was the founder of the nk.
cherrybim: Is that an open heter applicable to everyone. Or was it made to the person who asked the shaila when it was issued?
PY, punkt farkert. We can’t sit idly by while the kedusha of Shabbos, Yerushlayim, and Eretz Yisroel is being publicly trampled upon. (This elevates as well the kavod of our fellow Jews, and defending Shabbos in no way infringes upon bein adam lachaveiro.)
oomis: See what gavra wrote to SJS. He made some good points addressed to your comment.
gavra: One of several reasons that comes off the top of my head is “minhug hamokem.”
If both the boys and girls started off in life and marriage earlier, they would enter marriage with less of the meshugasim that many come into marriage with currently. (That also further delays their willingness to marry.)